Entitled lazy people

[Dorothy Wood]

I'm tired of them!!!! AHHHHHCKK!

I had to tell a staff member he did something wrong and he was basically like "well I shouldn't be working on things like that I guess, I don't have the training", basically blaming me....but we don't hire inexperienced people, so he basically just admitted he misrepresented his experience when hired. And now today is the worst, because he just wouldn't apologize or even try to help resolve anything. So I have to. Anyway I just came here to complain like always.

Please feel free to discuss why this is how people are nowadays? Seems out of control, people passing the buck, and waiting for others to help or direct instead of taking initiative.

[TurdBerglar]

everyone thinks they're getting the shit end of the stick a lot more and that they're getting picked on. telling themselves that they shouldn't have to put up with it. tricking themselves that they're important enough to be hated(in that hater sort of way).... they hate me because they're against people like me! I'm the good one!. no, you're a pussy, fuckface. check your feelings at the door. this is work.

everybody gets a trophy and a pat on the back and no one should ever have to be expected to be uncomfortable for a bit or to earn respect.

what happens when you coddle people.

you can't even let your kids walk to the park/school by themselves without gaining national attention and ridicule.

they keep lowering the bar to allow people to pass so as to not look like people are being treated badly.

holding someone accountable is seen as mean and degrading.

and this is all being done to appease those that feel the people's lives suck NOT because they're simply fucking assholes but rather because society has shafted them.

[Dorothy Wood]

Haha, thanks for articulating, turd! I would love to say "check your feelings at the door", because that's exactly what needs to happen. It's a constant problem with this guy. I've told him to "get over it" regarding his attitude toward certain people and tasks. It's gotten better, I basically have to council him so the workday is bearable. My colleague who runs another location has similar issues, I guess that's part of managing. These are nice people, they just can't handle rising to the occasion when things get challenging. But I'm tired of people just giving up and being like "you do it". I get it from my bosses too. This article here strikes a chord with me:http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/05/being-a-go-getter-is-no-fun/393863/
I do have one strong employee, who is responsible and gets things done, I want to clone her. But she is also getting exploited by the bosses, and has one foot out the door because of it.

Anyway, after I made this post, I basically worked in silence, resolved the issue with as little drama as possible. At the end of the day, I pulled the dude aside and basically said "what I need to hear from you when I approach you about a mistake is: 'Im sorry, what can I do to help resolve this?'". And so he agreed that he should've done that, and he didnt actually blame me, he was just scared or something. And I gave him some informational materials to study regarding the technique he botched. So now we're back to neutral. But fuck! It was still up to me to get things to that point. Ugh.


The question is, am I responsible just because my mom let me walk to school alone in kindergarten? Or because my dad was a dick who said things like "stop crying or I'll give you something to cry about!" ?

I feel shafted by society, but I just try to reason my way out of it, I don't ask for help. I feel like a loser dumbass a lot of the time, but I usually want to fix things instead of giving up. Not sure if my strict upbringing is responsible for that or if that's just how I was born.

[TurdBerglar]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/james-harrison-rejects-sons-participation-trophies/ar-BBlMBm5

[Dorothy Wood]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/james-harrison-rejects-sons-participation-trophies/ar-BBlMBm5

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I think participation trophys happened after these guys I work with/for were kids though. By all accounts they had strict fathers too...and yet. Maybe their parents were more like control freaks who just finished their work for them or something when they were growing up?

[TurdBerglar]

it's that they were either raised in a situation where discipline didn't exist(trashy hoodrats) or in a situation where everything was falsely positive(unaware/naive yuppies). by raised I don't necessarily mean just family. more along the lines of the vibe of the community. showing positivity or not expressing negativity when in actuality the situation is pretty shit(getting a participation trophy when you're in fucking last place/running around town with absolutely no guidance like a feral child and no one saying or doing discipline-wise about it). so when they enter the real world and honesty just so happens to be not so positive you're just being mean or a hater.

the avoidance of even benign and positive negativity is making people soft.

schools systems will lower the bar citywide to let certain kids pass because it looks bad if certain kids aren't doing well. maybe these kids just suck and it has nothing to do with the school so stop lowering the bar and making everyone suffer having to be in this type of false environment.

there's a lack of honesty if the honesty is remotely negative. so any negativity is now seen as unnecessary and spiteful.

I think this has been going on since the 80's when political correctness really started to gain traction and it's just been slowly ramping up and you're seeing it all over now. even with adults.

[Dorothy Wood]

Hmm. They're from smaller towns with middle and working class families. It's hard to pinpoint. There's just a similar attitude of giving up and lashing out when things don't go as planned...blaming others or circumstances instead of just regrouping and taking action. My employers are actually worse than my staffer dude in that regard.

I do think it could be a result of community or culture, as you mentioned. In the u.s., I think people are kind of coerced by media and advertising to think they should never feel discomfort...so when something is challenging, people get upset.

As for schools, I actually think a lot of times that administrators and teachers are lazy and not even trying to figure out ways to truly educate kids. I feel like that has a lot to do with lowering standards. But I don't know, maybe it's PC stuff too. In high school I failed the English proficiency test, even though I had AP English courses, and the second highest gpa in school. My friend who had a mild learning disability got to take his test with extra time and an aide, and passed. I had the opportunity to retake the test, but I told my guidance counselor I thought it was meaningless and wouldn't take it again. My English teacher at the time stood behind my decision too. I still don't understand the point of a system like that...my friend was not "proficient" at English on his own, and he would admit as much...so why would he be given the endorsement? It didnt say "proficient with assistance", it was just pass/fail. I'm not being bitter, he thought it was dumb too. It did end up being meaningless, btw, because it was the first year the test was introduced, and it only meant my diploma had a tiny math and science stamp, and no tiny English stamp, but I think this type of test went on to become the norm.



Oh well, maybe things will start changing with the next generations....or maybe the sun will explode and destroy us all

[TurdBerglar]

i don't really think that teachers and administrators are the lazy ones. there's this sense that little retard sally and little asshole johny deserve good grades too. like everyone else! don't discriminate! but since they're retarded assholes they're not gonna get good grades. the schools are under so much pressure to educate these shitty kids when they're UNEDUCATEABLE. they're uneducable because they have soft/shit parents but that doesn't sound very nice. so there's this sense that these kids suck not because of their bad parents but because the school must be doing something wrong and are discriminating somehow. and it's just fucking up education playing down to certain people so they don't have to deal with the negativity of being a shit student/person.

i went to school in the suburbs and in the city and this bullshit happened in both places. the soft kids were in the suburbs and the asshole kids were in the city.

[Dorothy Wood]

I hear ya, but in my experience, the "bad kids" get ignored and/or are targeted for punishment based on previous transgressions. It just amps up the tension between the teacher and student. Classroom management is challenging, and most people aren't up for it. And so many teachers start young, and I don't think have had much life experience, so have a hard time truly educating to suit different learning styles, and cultures outside of their own. Public education is rigid to a fault.

Obviously there are virtues to being able to sit through a class in a desk silently, while politely listening to the teacher and taking notes. But, that's fucking tedious, and kids today just won't tolerate tedium like previous generations. I personally learn better from videos and demonstration more so than reading (shit maybe I'm not proficient!), and I truly despised school in all kinds of ways, but still followed the rules.

I kinda feel like a bunch of rapid fire facts are thrown at kids in such a short period of time, so they're never actually learning, they're just processing data, maybe a small fraction will be retained and used in adulthood. I think there should be more educational resources for different types of learners. Of all ages into adulthood. Because things are always changing, and adapting is more productive than holding on to ineffective methods. When people fail, they don't just disappear, they are still around affecting their surroundings.

[TurdBerglar]

but the catering towards the bad/pussy kids is what's causing the lazy entitledness.

oh you don't fit into what's already been established? here ya go, we'll change everything just so you don't feel bad! even if it means sacrificing shit for the 99% that benefit from how things are normally done. big hugs all around!

there's less and less of an expectation for people to put up and shut up. not just in school but all over. but school is where it's being first experienced by people.

it's totally inefficient to cater to each person. just can't be done. everyone has to put up and shut up.

I think things would be a lot better if society didn't see learning a trade as being a lesser thing. some people just aren't cut out for sitting in a desk and being told what to do all day long. I think a lot of these kids just need some sort of release that they don't get anymore because kids are cooped up in their houses all the damn time not experience shit in a group setting where you need to make sacrifices. or they run around with absolutely no structure so they end up not being able to handle structure.

parents are either stepping in too much to manipulate everything to get things catered to their kids or they're doing absolutely nothing and letting their kids run wild with no rules.

all this catering is being done so much that everyone expects to be catered to more and more. "well if they're being catered to... what about me then! I deserve it too!" so people are just fucking going in the corner and pouting.

[Dorothy Wood]

I'm not saying everyone should be catered to individually, just that I've seen time and time again that teachers only want to teach the "good" kids. Most people I interact with that are entitled probably were "good" kids. These people do pout when they don't understand things or can't get what they want. Or they want that, but a different version, and could I get it for them, and also wrap it, and also I forgot my wallet and can you hold it, and hang on I have to take this call, and you know what it seems too expensive, so nevermind.

Or like the other day when I went to get lunch at a new restaurant that opened that's like Asian Chipotle, some chick was dominating the cashier's time asking question after question about the menu like she just couldn't wrap her mind around it. The manager finally came out and took my order, then HE had to go over and fully explain the menu to the girl before she placed her order. It was ridiculous. No awareness or care for anyone else's time. Just "help me". Some people really do need help, but a whole hell of a lot of people think the world should serve them above and beyond what's reasonable.

So we're kinda talking about different people maybe. I agree with your point about destigmatizing going into trades. I'm a tradesperson, stuck in a retail environment, if I had to do it over again, I probably would've just learned to be a mechanic. But adults really pushed college, so it seemed like the only option. We had a "career center" that was for vocational jobs, where a lot of kids who had bad grades ended up going. I visited senior year and they had all this tech stuff, and everyone was happily working on different projects. I would've loved going there, it wasnt even presented as an option to me, and those kids were probably set up for working life more than I was, because I was shuffled down the academic path. I guess it made sense to my teachers at the time.

Oh well! That's a whole different topic.

[TurdBerglar]

I'm talking about yuppies and hoodrats. the yuppies are the pussies(good kids?) and the hoodrats are the assholes.

I've dealt with entitled people from both the suburbs and the hood. they both expect shit to be in their favor even though they represent just a fraction of the population. they're both being told more and more that shit SHOULD be in their favor regardless that they're not even close to what the norm is or should be and they have no desire to be the norm thinking that the way they do shit is how EVERYONE should do shit. since people don't seem to mingle as much as they use to, their ideas of what shit should be only includes their little niche and the people they hang out with because they don't know anything else.

these two groups of wierdos have been battling it out trying to sway things to their own side and it's fucking shit up for everyone else even though they're just a fraction of the population. people that have nothing to do with either group seem to feel sorry for whichever group they prefer and try to cater things to be in their favor to give them a hand. fucking shit up even more. swaying things AWAY more and more from the middle and of what's efficient.

[Dorothy Wood]

I guess yuppies and not so young urban professionals affect my quality of life more than "hoodrats", because the city is so segregated.

It's funny, I was reading this thread while waiting for a repair at the bike shop, and some jerk came in demanding to have his chain replaced immediately. But the mechanic was busy working on my bike, so he said there would be a wait and the dude flipped out. He was like "you guys can NEVER fix my bike when I come in, I'll take it somewhere else!", and the mechanic was like "uhh, we can do it, just not right this second there are people ahead of you.", but the dude left in a huff. What a dick!

[TurdBerglar]

there's always people like that in bike shops. always. whether it's the customers or some of the employees. there's this snobbish elitism attached to biking. your life revolves around a fucking oversized toy. settle the fuck down, bro.

i go biking in this state park that's a local hot spot for mountain bikers. there's bikers that are more like laid back skaters and there's bikers that are more like elitist jerks. you can tell the difference a lot of the times by what they're wearing. they guys that are wearing all the spandex and funky aerodynamic helmet tend to be very unfriendly. it's like they seem to think you shouldn't be there if you're not trying as hard as them to be an elitist biker. the guys that are dressed more like skaters with the baggy shorts and the skater type helmets are a lot more friendly.

[Lex Diamonds]

We have an entitled, lazy scumbag as Prime Minister. It means all the other entitled dickspits in the country feel validated and are actually being pandered to by the government, which sucks.