Similar music style recommendation

[pesto pizza]

I'm looking to try find some new music to listen to, maybe some great group l have missed along the way.
The Beastie boys have been my favourite music since May 1987 and my music life is pretty empty these days.
So if l was to recommend some music to someone who loved the Beastie boys, l would suggest RUN DMC early stuff, The Goats, Cypress Hill and Bad Brains.
The suggestion could be a famous group, l may of not given them a chance before.
Thanks in advance, any ideas are most welcome.

[Micodin]

EPMD’s first 5 albums is a great place to start if you haven’t gotten into them previously. classic albums.

[pesto pizza]

EPMD’s first 5 albums is a great place to start if you haven’t gotten into them previously. classic albums.
I never liked their beats but l always liked their voices and that track with LL COOL J "rampage" was very good though

[Kid Presentable]

Cherry pick stuff, man. There’s a lot to digest if you try to get into entire discographies. EPMD is a great call, though. Nice little Beastie nods in tracks like Let The Funk Flow and Da Joint. There are Beastie nods throughout the Def Squad canon, too, but you would do them a disservice to only check for them because of some nods.

That’s sort of the real challenge, though. I don’t know that there are many bands ‘similar’ (and to be fair, when people say such about things like 311 you can see that first hand). Similar could be a self actualised band persona more than stylistic, though.

I mean Tribe, De La (I absolutely adore their most recent album) all the other super obvious choices, but I think it’s also cool to consider groups the Beastie Boys liked, as much as groups which may be similar. I bump a shit ton of Bossa Nova on Spotify, basically solely because of the Beastie Boys. It’s made my home a very pleasant place to be.

Drawing a longer bow, Stepfather by People Under the Stairs was in that studio photo of the Boys. I took that as a lead at one point in time.

To a similar end, Mike D was with RR during the recording of 99 problems; there’s an incredible remix of the Black album getting around to commemorate the 15th anniversary which everybody must check out. Horovitz banged on about Os Mutantes in the book, and that’s definitely worth checking out. Yauch played a little with Cro-Mags. Try that?

I personally have been quite enjoying Mac Demarco; he has the whole Lo-fi DIY thing going on. Very chill. People always talked about Edan being in the Beastie Boys wheelhouse back in 05 or whenever, maybe look into that?

As cautious as I am about you looking for ‘similar’ groups, I’m fully aware that I’m doing a terrible job with alternatives. Beastie Boys’ lane is far too unique, though, man. The most recent ATCQ album? Oh, Jungle Bothers?

A real practical tip for me has been following their peers and associates on Insta. Ricky Powell, Mario C etc they all post some shit which leads down interesting musical paths. Hurra sorta does, too. You might like his style more.

Good luck!

EDIT: McDuff dropped the recommendation for ESG the other month; very Mix-Up vibes from them. I love that shit.

EDIT EDIT: I finally realised a dream and caught the Avalanches live. It reminded me a lot of the Beastie Boys. Basically just crate-digging music-heads with a flair for the unusual. If you can find a version of their debut which isn’t gimped by sample clearances, try that. Wildflower was my shit, too.

[Micodin]

I never liked their beats

haha ok bro. there’s nothing i can do for you then. good luck. smh

[pesto pizza]

Thanks everyone so far, l will try some of those on you tube.

[Kid Presentable]

You mentioned Cypress Hill. I’m not as emphatic in their similarity to the B-Boys, they stagnated a bit. Elephants on Acid I’ll assume you’re across however Muggs has always been the real talent of the group. His album with Meyhem Lauren is incredible. His most recent Soul Assassins wasn’t bad, either.

[Kid Presentable]

Also the ‘Other Music’ forum on these boards in an implausibly overlooked resource (although post 2012 not much happened there, I guess). If something gets more than 15 replies, maybe look into it.

[Micodin]

You mentioned Cypress Hill. I’m not as emphatic in their similarity to the B-Boys, they stagnated a bit. Elephants on Acid I’ll assume you’re across however Muggs has always been the real talent of the group. His album with Meyhem Lauren is incredible. His most recent Soul Assassins wasn’t bad, either.

muggs has been on a tear lately. the two meyhem projects and the roc marci project were all equally great.

[pesto pizza]

You mentioned Cypress Hill. I’m not as emphatic in their similarity to the B-Boys, they stagnated a bit. Elephants on Acid I’ll assume you’re across however Muggs has always been the real talent of the group. His album with Meyhem Lauren is incredible. His most recent Soul Assassins wasn’t bad, either.
Just listened to Meyhem Lauren very good stuff, l assumed hip hop music was just chart friendly these days whereas this stuff reminded me of 1988 stuff.Good recommendation.cheers

[Micodin]

l assumed hip hop music was just chart friendly these days

its starting to become more and more clear to me nowadays that 97% of beastie boys fans or the people on this message board didn’t grow up listening to hip hop or abandoned it after 1989.

it’s aslo clear to me that when people ask for music suggestions that’s sounds like the beasties they are really asking for other white rappers suggestions but don’t want to come off as a racist.

[Kid Presentable]

its starting to become more and more clear to me nowadays that 97% of beastie boys fans or the people on this message board didn’t grow up listening to hip hop or abandoned it after 1989.

it’s aslo clear to me that when people ask for music suggestions that’s sounds like the beasties they are really asking for other white rappers suggestions but don’t want to come off as a racist.

Can you elaborate? Because I’m not sure of the relevance. Honest question.

[pesto pizza]

its starting to become more and more clear to me nowadays that 97% of beastie boys fans or the people on this message board didn’t grow up listening to hip hop or abandoned it after 1989.

it’s aslo clear to me that when people ask for music suggestions that’s sounds like the beasties they are really asking for other white rappers suggestions but don’t want to come off as a racist.
I abandoned hip hop about 1999 and from 1987 was only into hip hop, but still purchase all ATCQ , de la soul, Black sheep and cypress hill new releases.
I don't like white rappers at all, to me eminem is awful.
I have'nt a clue why you have read what you have read into my comments, mind you l am aware people are always looking for arguements online these days

[Micodin]

Can you elaborate? Because I’m not sure of the relevance. Honest question.

yeah man. most of it stems from working at a indie record store for so long. i was known as the "hip hop" guy because of being a semi-popular local DJ/beat maker and also from playing beasties, Def Jux and backpack rap in the store constantly.

anyhoo, i would get asked for rap music recommendations daily and it seemed like 9 times out of 10 what they really were asking for (even if they didn't know it) was rap music they could relate to. which would be white rappers due to living in Maine because everyone is basically white there.

i'm not trying to say those people are racist because of that. white people like white rappers because they can relate to their lyrics and most importantly imo they can see themselves as being that white rapper. sorta like white people loving larry bird back in the day. they liked seeing a white person excelling in a predominate black sport just like they like seeing eminem, 3rd bass, beasties... doing the same with rap music.

so, when people asked me for recommendations i'd give them around 10 different (mostly black) artists/groups to listen to and they would end up choosing eminem or aesop rock 97% of the time.

this thread gave me deja vu of those scenarios. i didn't mean to throw any shots at anyone or whatnot. but i am going to go listen to EPMD all fucking day now because Erick is a personal friend of mine and he's one of my fav top hip hop producers of all time. i'll knife fight anyone in the damn streets that besmirch his beat making abilities. lol.

[Brother McDuff]

the bboys are one of a kind, of course, but when i think of music that shares a strand of DNA or two with them i think of select Beck records, Rage Against the Machine, Public Enemy, Gorillaz first LP, De La Soul’s first coupla records, Jungle Brothers’ first two, etc. I’d even go out on a limb and say Ween. While not hiphop, theyre from the same school/generation and convey a similar chameleonic dynamism, sparked by a punky, tongue in cheek sense of adventure.

Alt projects by collaborators are always strong avenues to explore too, i.e. other Mario C productions, Money Mark solo work, other Rick Rubin hiphop material, definitely the Dust Brothers body of work, especially from the 90s.

Kid P hit the nail on the head regarding music the bboys directly reference as well. The amount of name-checking and sample sources their library offers is just overwhelming, and now with all the leads offered in the new book, holy cow. could keep you researching for days.

[dust monkey]

pesto, i would go back to epmd to check in on their beats. i've never heard anyone say that and i'm a bit surprised because they are legendary. seen them open for run dmc right before strictly business dropped and it was glorious and the beats for their entire catalog are very nice. i think you might reconsider if you give em another shot.

if you have google music you can take a gander at my raised on hip hop (https://play.google.com/music/playlist/AMaBXymBCZjOTTojY8XEddGxRN56hUsRo4ferP59V1rGFmT7Jd 1j0tdjKvi1tMT3CIEiEqmVVgmSUZf2PKV6LISMXbhuV4TfOA%3 D%3D) playlist. it's by no means a greatest hits or even comprehensive in the least....just all the shit that resonates with me and still makes me move.

[pesto pizza]

pesto, i would go back to epmd to check in on their beats. i've never heard anyone say that and i'm a bit surprised because they are legendary. seen them open for run dmc right before strictly business dropped and it was glorious and the beats for their entire catalog are very nice. i think you might reconsider if you give em another shot.

if you have google music you can take a gander at my raised on hip hop (https://play.google.com/music/playlist/AMaBXymBCZjOTTojY8XEddGxRN56hUsRo4ferP59V1rGFmT7Jd 1j0tdjKvi1tMT3CIEiEqmVVgmSUZf2PKV6LISMXbhuV4TfOA%3 D%3D) playlist. it's by no means a greatest hits or even comprehensive in the least....just all the shit that resonates with me and still makes me move.
Ok will do, cheers

[Kid Presentable]

Ween fucking rule.

[Kid Presentable]

https://youtu.be/kJ3QAMtQOrQ

Bam. Now you have two lines of inquiry: Galt McDermott and Badbadnotgood

[tt5brevisited]

maybe check out edan...

https://www.discogs.com/artist/39713-Edan

[Jiberish]

but i am going to go listen to EPMD all fucking day now because Erick is a personal friend of mine and he's one of my fav top hip hop producers of all time. i'll knife fight anyone in the damn streets that besmirch his beat making abilities. lol.

I found a caseless cassette tape of STRICTLY BUSINESS in a puddle in a gutter on the side of the road in Boston about 20 years ago. I had not been into EMPD before I popped that tape in my tapedeck and honestly i feel like I missed out on so much great stuff. That first record is INCREDIBLE. I still bump it. The beats on that album are out of this world.

[Micodin]

I found a caseless cassette tape of STRICTLY BUSINESS in a puddle in a gutter on the side of the road in Boston about 20 years ago. I had not been into EMPD before I popped that tape in my tapedeck and honestly i feel like I missed out on so much great stuff. That first record is INCREDIBLE. I still bump it. The beats on that album are out of this world.

i saw a clip (not even the whole video) of “you gots to chill” on yo mtv raps as a youth and then ran to my moms and asked her to get me their tape for xmas. moms came through and damn i never heard hip hop as funky before then. just that little clip of them rhyming over “more bounce” had me hooked. been a fan since strictly business. i watched their career very closely like the beasties. their first 4 or 5 albums are all home runs imo, much like the b-boys. plus they had das efx, redman, k-solo and keith murray in their stable. quality hip hop.

[Micodin]

maybe check out edan...

https://www.discogs.com/artist/39713-Edan

if u love the production style of pauls boutique then i cannot recomend “beauty and the beat” enough. great great record!

[pesto pizza]

maybe check out edan...

https://www.discogs.com/artist/39713-Edan
Very excited about hear so more from this guy.
Just heard beauty and the beat, the gut, migraine, ultra 88 and help.very fucking original and im liking it.thanks

[Justin]

Pesto,

This is an extremely hard question because everybody thinks differently. To me, when you say similar music styles..I think about how openminded the beasties were/are with their musical taste and how they were not afraid to try something new/cutting edge or taking a sample from some antediluvian 70’s record. Others may think differently and maybe try to find other artists/songs that ‘sound’ like the beasties. For the latter, I always failed with this. I suggest you expose yourself to new genre’s and listen to anything and everything. You will absolutely hate it at first I can promise that, but keep shooting that open three in the corner! Eventually you’ll find a spot, rotation and form that is consistent to your liking and the team.

For me personally...I’m kinda like Adrock. It starts with a good beat. It could be any genre. Hip hop, reggae, electronic, honky tonk, etc.

Sorry I couldn’t be more helpful.

[Brother McDuff]

more praise for Beauty and The Beat here. the last hiphop album to completely flip my wig. while not comparable, his Echo Party record was pretty bodacious too.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

EPMD is dope.

Here's some less than mainstream hip hop stuff (but not too obscure) that you might dig:

Hip Hop:
Main Source - "Breaking Atoms";
Souls of Mischief - "93 till infinity" / Del the Funky Homosapien / Hieroglyphics
Digable Planets

[Sir SkratchaLot]

if u love the production style of pauls boutique then i cannot recomend “beauty and the beat” enough. great great record!

These days Edan is doing some stuff with Homebody Sandman that's pretty cool.

[pesto pizza]

EPMD is dope.

Here's some less than mainstream hip hop stuff (but not too obscure) that you might dig:

Hip Hop:
Main Source - "Breaking Atoms";
Souls of Mischief - "93 till infinity" / Del the Funky Homosapien / Hieroglyphics
Digable Planets
Love them already.thanks

[Sir SkratchaLot]

Love them already.thanks

You got Siah and Yeshua Dapoed, "The Visuals" (only 2 mcs)?
Jurrasic 5 has lots of MCs over old school breaks. They're playing off a lot of late 70s early 80s hip hop vibes like the Beasties.

[Micodin]

These days Edan is doing some stuff with Homebody Sandman that's pretty cool.

it’s very dope. waiting for a instrumental version!

[bigfatlove06]

the bboys are one of a kind, of course, but when i think of music that shares a strand of DNA or two with them i think of select Beck records, Rage Against the Machine, Public Enemy, Gorillaz first LP, De La Soul’s first coupla records, Jungle Brothers’ first two, etc. I’d even go out on a limb and say Ween. While not hiphop, theyre from the same school/generation and convey a similar chameleonic dynamism, sparked by a punky, tongue in cheek sense of adventure.

Alt projects by collaborators are always strong avenues to explore too, i.e. other Mario C productions, Money Mark solo work, other Rick Rubin hiphop material, definitely the Dust Brothers body of work, especially from the 90s.

Kid P hit the nail on the head regarding music the bboys directly reference as well. The amount of name-checking and sample sources their library offers is just overwhelming, and now with all the leads offered in the new book, holy cow. could keep you researching for days.

This is a really good list of stuff I enjoyed, and I would add to it MC900 FT Jesus' first two albums, Urban Dance Squad, and Consolidated (for mashing genres with some hip hop thrown in). There are way too many to name from the Hard-Core influences, but I'd be totally negligent if I didn't suggest the Ramones.

And Portishead just cause.

[brooklyndust]

I recommend the playlists that Mike & Adam left at the end of the book.

Tons of hidden gems there. And if you like a bank you can go down the rabbit hole for days.

[dust monkey]

maybe check out edan...

https://www.discogs.com/artist/39713-Edan

top 5's are so subjective, and my guess is that not many if any would agree with mine but i keep a list and Edan has been in my top 5 for a very long time. his catalog is light but i honestly believe he was and still is a force to be reckoned with on the mic. dude is strong strong strong.

hip hop:
-mca
-killer mike
-edan
-ll cool j
-kool g rap

honorable mentions:
big daddy kane
big
2pac
nas
rakim
aesop rock
el p
Chuck d
Despot
Del
Mr. Muthafuckin' eXquire
kid jazz
slick rick
ghostface
andre 3000

[Kid Presentable]

eXquire is a great call. I love his stuff. Cherry Raindrops is my shit.

Breeze Brewin is one of my favourites of all time. By extension pesto you could check out juggaknots first album, and Prince Paul’s ‘Prince Among Thieves’. In turn, anything involving Prince Paul is worth your time.

pesto did you ever fuck with Dr Octagon? Q-bert does the scratches, among other selling points.

[3stooges]

You probably are already familiar with these, but for 80s era style I would say Just Ice Back To The Old School, Original Concept, Schoolly D Saturday Night. Skinny Boys were heavily influenced by Run DMC and Beasties.

For their funk jam style of the early mid 90s check out the early earliest Kool and the Gang stuff. And Curtis Live! the Curtis Mayfield album, they basically copied that sound with Adrock's wah pedal and the congas over it.

[pesto pizza]

eXquire is a great call. I love his stuff. Cherry Raindrops is my shit.

Breeze Brewin is one of my favourites of all time. By extension pesto you could check out juggaknots first album, and Prince Paul’s ‘Prince Among Thieves’. In turn, anything involving Prince Paul is worth your time.

pesto did you ever fuck with Dr Octagon? Q-bert does the scratches, among other selling points.
Yes l love dr octagon but l will check out the others ive not heard of.Edan has been the stand out so far and somehow l was led to Mantronix so re-bought their first 3 albums yesterday.

[pesto pizza]

You probably are already familiar with these, but for 80s era style I would say Just Ice Back To The Old School, Original Concept, Schoolly D Saturday Night. Skinny Boys were heavily influenced by Run DMC and Beasties.

For their funk jam style of the early mid 90s check out the early earliest Kool and the Gang stuff. And Curtis Live! the Curtis Mayfield album, they basically copied that sound with Adrock's wah pedal and the congas over it.

I will check out these esp skinny boys, heard of them.Also Kool and the gang early stuff is amazing l need to really check out that stuff again

[pesto pizza]

top 5's are so subjective, and my guess is that not many if any would agree with mine but i keep a list and Edan has been in my top 5 for a very long time. his catalog is light but i honestly believe he was and still is a force to be reckoned with on the mic. dude is strong strong strong.

hip hop:
-mca
-killer mike
-edan
-ll cool j
-kool g rap

honorable mentions:
big daddy kane
big
2pac
nas
rakim
aesop rock
el p
Chuck d
Despot
Del
Mr. Muthafuckin' eXquire
kid jazz
slick rick
ghostface
andre 3000

I will youtube exquire, despot, el p and kid jazz.any stand out tracks?

[Kid Presentable]

I will youtube exquire, despot, el p and kid jazz.any stand out tracks?

https://youtu.be/N0ijOe3sGEk

Knock a few of them out in one go. El-P was part of Company Flow. Check them out, too. In fact, El’s solo catalogue is wonderful, as is his production work on Cannibal Ox’ Cold Vein. He’s part of Run The Jewels but I find them to be super underwhelming as a duo.

Das Racist are worth a look (also defunct now, sadly). Heems in particular I think is a genius. I would love Mike and/or Adam to produce for him. His shit I like.

[Kid Presentable]

Has Danny Brown come up? He said some nice words when MCA passed.

Any love for Sean Price? P!

https://youtu.be/lkN7TgAtVAw

Look into Stax records, maybe?

Also: https://bigghostlimited.bandcamp.com/releases

[pesto pizza]

Thanks

[dust monkey]

I will youtube exquire, despot, el p and kid jazz.any stand out tracks?

for exquire Brainiac is bonkers, this remix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ijOe3sGEk) is not on google music but i've watched this vid 50 times. das racist, despot, el p, danny brown and X.

despot, light catalog but check out house of bricks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT5B9NnSN6A)

el p just start with company flow and take it all the way through RTJ3 and beyond. WMR Radio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMPnno_TYHo) is the shit

kid jazz was a rhyme syndicate dude with ice t back in the day, he and kidd scratch were domination. on their cassette single i need something mellow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjyCM9FxDCk) it said album coming soon....it never came and i looked every week for like 6 months. i only know of 4 songs but i just think this guy ripped.

you haven't heard nothing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsYmDXfpIiA)

move your body and back at it again are bit more difficult to find.

[pesto pizza]

for exquire Brainiac is bonkers, this remix (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0ijOe3sGEk) is not on google music but i've watched this vid 50 times. das racist, despot, el p, danny brown and X.

despot, light catalog but check out house of bricks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT5B9NnSN6A)

el p just start with company flow and take it all the way through RTJ3 and beyond. WMR Radio (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMPnno_TYHo) is the shit

kid jazz was a rhyme syndicate dude with ice t back in the day, he and kidd scratch were domination. on their cassette single i need something mellow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjyCM9FxDCk) it said album coming soon....it never came and i looked every week for like 6 months. i only know of 4 songs but i just think this guy ripped.


you haven't heard nothing (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsYmDXfpIiA)

move your body and back at it again are bit more difficult to find.
Thanks for the links, l really enjoyed those choices.esp the first two.that remix was my cup of tea and the second song was very good, l would never normally given a video like that a chance

[pesto pizza]

Sweet chick! Nice.
He reminds of ol dirty bastard

[3stooges]

Another one I'm kinda surprised no one mentioned is the first Pharcyde album. I'm sure you've heard it. To me that album has a lot of similarities with the voices, the playful sensibility, the humor, the sampling. It was a fun record that avoided the trends of gun talk and thug image. I think the fanbases crossed over into one another a lot at that time. Skater kids loved the Pharcyde. I remember seeing the promo stickers all over Venice when the album was coming out.

[pesto pizza]

Another one I'm kinda surprised no one mentioned is the first Pharcyde album. I'm sure you've heard it. To me that album has a lot of similarities with the voices, the playful sensibility, the humor, the sampling. It was a fun record that avoided the trends of gun talk and thug image. I think the fanbases crossed over into one another a lot at that time. Skater kids loved the Pharcyde. I remember seeing the promo stickers all over Venice when the album was coming out.
Yes l was thinking of mentioning that album ( l forgot when l wrote the thread) it is the best example of what l was refering to that l know of

[Brother McDuff]

i feel like Odelay is the closest thing one can find to a non-beasties beasties record. and hold the “its not hiphop” rebuttals please. as far as artistic intent, era, influences, and shared collaborators goes, it is a hard line to argue.

on a similar note, the bboys are so much bigger than hiphop in their scope, even within their hiphop songs themselves, and should be (and often are) recognized as so. to call them merely rappers is an understatement. they truly are artistes.

i know nobody asked, but i still shared. preachy maybe, but truth? yes.
and if you dont like it then hey fuck you.

[pesto pizza]

i feel like Odelay is the closest thing one can find to a non-beasties beasties record. and hold the “its not hiphop” rebuttals please. as far as artistic intent, era, influences, and shared collaborators goes, it is a hard line to argue.

on a similar note, the bboys are so much bigger than hiphop in their scope, even within their hiphop songs themselves, and should be (and often are) recognized as so. to call them merely rappers is an understatement. they truly are artistes.

i know nobody asked, but i still shared. preachy maybe, but truth? yes.
and if you dont like it then hey fuck you.
After all these years ive never listened to Odelay.Ive heard some singles and liked quite a few by beck, so l will give him a try

[Micodin]

i feel like Odelay is the closest thing one can find to a non-beasties beasties record. and hold the “its not hiphop” rebuttals please. as far as artistic intent, era, influences, and shared collaborators goes, it is a hard line to argue.

on a similar note, the bboys are so much bigger than hiphop in their scope, even within their hiphop songs themselves, and should be (and often are) recognized as so. to call them merely rappers is an understatement. they truly are artistes.

i know nobody asked, but i still shared. preachy maybe, but truth? yes.
and if you dont like it then hey fuck you.

odelay sounds like a beck record produced by the dust bros and saying it sounds like a beastie record is a stretch at most. i enjoy the record quiet a lot and have long celebrated (saw beck 3 times on the odeley tour) it but it doesn’t sound like pauls boutique 2.0 or a beastie record at all. it has all the elements of a beck's earlier records with interesting song structures, lyrics with the dust bros sample production. i just don’t hear the three’s energy at all on odeley.


the only record that sounds like a beasties record is obv Hurricane’s The Hurra. nothing else comes close. it's a perfect beasties companion piece.

[Kid Presentable]

odelay sounds like a beck record produced by the dust bros and saying it sounds like a beastie record is a stretch at most. i enjoy the record quiet a lot and have long celebrated (saw beck 3 times on the odeley tour) it but it doesn’t sound like pauls boutique 2.0 or a beastie record at all. it has all the elements of a beck's earlier records with interesting song structures, lyrics with the dust bros sample production. i just don’t hear the three’s energy at all on odeley.


the only record that sounds like a beasties record is obv Hurricane’s The Hurra. nothing else comes close. it's a perfect beasties companion piece.

The Hurra is pretty average in my view. DFL’s first album or Mark’s Keyboard repair (which is superior) both meet your criteria equally well.

The Hurra has some interesting moments, some great, but went double styrofoam for a reason. Cane doesn’t have the lyrical chops or personality to carry an album vocally, and the best productions sound like IC off-cuts at most. It is dope that Mark, Bobo and Mario turn up (in addition to the three), but not much stronger a case than Odelay.

It’s an interesting topic, though. I like the Beastie Boys because I don’t think there is a straight answer to the hypothesis you and McDuff have put forward.

[Brother McDuff]

A critical buzz word i left out was “spirit”. Odelay shares a similar spirit to me, in influences, personnel, place in time, production, and most of all playfulness. Its heavily tongue in cheek on a surface level, but at the core some truly serious artistry. Much like our fellas.

All good though, I realized I was stirring a pot with that observation, and welcome the criticism, as I know its a hella subjective anecdote. And frankly just a stimulating topic to me in general, as I enjoy these discussions with you good folks. Cheers to the fam and this forum where we can maturely debate and adore all things beastie respectfully with like-minded friends.

heavy love to the collective you.

[Kid Presentable]

Yeah the views expressed are just views and shit. It’s all love.

[brooklyndust]

I the topic of Odelay, one of my top fav albums all time, High 5 (Rock the Catskills) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aWDi-c5120)
Always seemed the most Beastiesque to me. The beat, the distorted mic and even the sample that they would eventually use themselves for the De La collab in Squat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5e4Ep2RnS0).
The video itself has the Watcha Want thermal technique, running around in a forest and mugging the camera up close.

Not only was this produced by the dust brothers, but Minus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaIKbFn9Log) was recorded at G-Son studios and produced by Mario Caldato, Jr., it also has that nice dirty distorted guitar sound. Wondering if Beck used any of the Beastie Boys gear or that guitar is a sample.
According to Beastiemania Money Mark also worked on Odelay but is only mentioned in the Thank You's of the liner notes but not credited for any specific songs.

The only other Beck song in recent memory that reminds me of Rock the Catskills with the ill communication distorted mic is Chain Reaction (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvxSbLgBGvc) I believe a b-side from the Guero sessions, you can find it on the deluxe version of the album. The beat or bass line in the back reminds me a bit of the grittiness of the OG version of too many rappers.
Other fun notes from the Guero Album, also produced by the Dust Brothers, the lead single, E-Pro, samples the drums in Watcha Want and the remix version of the album, Guerolito has an ad-rock small stars remix of Black Tambourine called Shake Shake Tambourine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgP9JWayRgA)

[Kid Presentable]

I the topic of Odelay, one of my top fav albums all time, High 5 (Rock the Catskills) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aWDi-c5120)
Always seemed the most Beastiesque to me. The beat, the distorted mic and even the sample that they would eventually use themselves for the De La collab in Squat (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5e4Ep2RnS0).
The video itself has the Watcha Want thermal technique, running around in a forest and mugging the camera up close.

Not only was this produced by the dust brothers, but Minus (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaIKbFn9Log) was recorded at G-Son studios and has that nice dirty distorted guitar sound. Wondering if Beck used any of the Beastie Boys gear or that guitar is a sample.

The only other Beck song in recent memory that reminds me of Rock the Catskills with the ill communication distorted mic is Chain Reaction (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvxSbLgBGvc) I believe a b-side from the Guero sessions, you can find it on the deluxe version of the album. The beat or bass line in the back reminds me a bit of the grittiness of the OG version of too many rappers.
Other fun notes from the Guero Album, also produced by the Dust Brothers, the lead single, E-Pro, samples the drums in Watcha Want and the remix version of the album, Guerolito has an ad-rock small stars remix of Black Tambourine called Shake Shake Tambourine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgP9JWayRgA)

Mario C did the mix on Minus.

[brooklyndust]

Ahh I thought he produced it too.

I love the new book but the nerd in me was wishing for more stories on how they made the songs like in the sounds of science booklet.

Book had a good mix though

[Brother McDuff]

many sources ive found indicate a production credit for Mario on Minus, fwiw.

[Kid Presentable]

(y)

Suspected as much about Minus. Catskills is a good call, too.

The drought between IC and Hello Nasty was odd. We got Aglio e Olio, and this. As a gromm at the time I had discovered Wu Tang and gone down the rabbit hole. I do recall trying to play the first TFC on New Zealand’s carrier pigeon internet, though.

In Sound was wonderful for the new packaging and vocal free renditions of a couple of instrumentals, but that triple disc TFC album and Wu Tang Forever were monumental.

I don’t think I had a point.

[cj hood]

I'm looking to try find some new music to listen to, maybe some great group l have missed along the way.
The Beastie boys have been my favourite music since May 1987 and my music life is pretty empty these days.
So if l was to recommend some music to someone who loved the Beastie boys, l would suggest RUN DMC early stuff, The Goats, Cypress Hill and Bad Brains.
The suggestion could be a famous group, l may of not given them a chance before.
Thanks in advance, any ideas are most welcome.

hang tight....Spring is right around the corner....rock those EPMD records til then....

[Kid Presentable]

$mark did the keys on where it’s at.

[Micodin]

tammy d shot the MMMBop vid.

[Kid Presentable]

tammy d shot the MMMBop vid.

Didn’t the Dust Bros produce it?

[Micodin]

Didn’t the Dust Bros produce it?

yeah man. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHITG-wgjBo&frags=pl%2Cwn)

those are E.Z. Mike scratches you're hearing :)

[Brother McDuff]

joanie loved chachi.

[Jiberish]

many sources ive found indicate a production credit for Mario on Minus, fwiw.

I was JUST reading ( a month or two ago) in the magazine TAPE OP, that whoever co-produced MINUS (i forget his name) booked G-Son for the session (or maybe the label did) assume that he was the producer of said forth-coming session.

Mario was excited that Beck was gonna record at the studio and also assumed that they were booking him to produce. The other guy kind of let Mario run the show (since it was HIS studio) and then eventually they found a rhythm and sort of co-produced the session together.

Other random musings on this thread: Edan is indeed an amazing MC/Producer/DJ. His experimental instrumental record (Echo Party) is a great party soundtrack. His second full length ,Beauty & The Beat, is a sample masterpiece. And the dude can rap.

I loved Das Racist. I really thought that they might be this generations Beastie Boys. Adrock made a beat and gave it to the group. But they didn't like it. Kool A.D. used it on one of his solo albums. It's kind of just an alright song.

[Micodin]

Other random musings on this thread: Edan is indeed an amazing MC/Producer/DJ. His experimental instrumental record (Echo Party) is a great party soundtrack. His second full length ,Beauty & The Beat, is a sample masterpiece. And the dude can rap.

I loved Das Racist. I really thought that they might be this generations Beastie Boys. Adrock made a beat and gave it to the group. But they didn't like it. Kool A.D. used it on one of his solo albums. It's kind of just an alright song.

can't agree enough about Edan. it's all good.

i love Das Racist and Heems quite a bit too. it's a shame Kool A.D. turned out to be a shit person.

i've been listening to a lot of the Def Jux catalog quite a bit the past couple of years. there's a lot of quality experimental stuff in there to mine as well. great hip hop.

[brooklyndust]

Not Beasties related but since we have been talking about Beck a fair bit, does anyone know if or when the reissue for Midnight Vultures on wax is going to come out?

He has re-released almost all of his other albums on vinyl except for that one. I read that he himself isn't a huge fan of the album and the critics generally panned it, but I happen to be a huge fan of it.

[Micodin]

i also highly recommend Charizma & Peanut Butter Wolf "Big Shots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Shots_(album))" record. great rapping and production.

tragic story tho.

[dust monkey]

hang tight....Spring is right around the corner....rock those EPMD records til then....

hahaha....dude what happens in the spring? these da vinci code posts i just love. warming up, it's spring again, etc. etc..

did everyone just pass this lil cryptic nugget up?

[brooklyndust]

i also highly recommend Charizma & Peanut Butter Wolf "Big Shots (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Shots_(album))" record. great rapping and production.

tragic story tho.

Speaking of Peanut Butter Wolf, you ever check this doc: My Vinyl Weighs a Ton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfD_G-nu6sM)

[Late-Night Lion]

hahaha....dude what happens in the spring? these da vinci code posts i just love. warming up, it's spring again, etc. etc..

did everyone just pass this lil cryptic nugget up?

Hmmmm well this is interesting...could it be possible new music from people in the Beastie circle?

[brooklyndust]

Hmmmm well this is interesting...could it be possible new music from people in the Beastie circle?

Nope, but CJ has been doing that Dan Brown style for years, even if you pry, that is probably the most info were going to get for now.

Sounds really good though.

[Brother McDuff]

this is turning into an Edan lovefest...

and i like it. :)

great story about Minus recording session. love it. (y)

[Late-Night Lion]

Thanks for the Edan recommendation, starting with Beaty and the Beat and really enjoying it.

As far as stuff that I would recommend, definitely Tribe, De La, Pharcyde, Souls of Mischief, The Avalanches, Beck (mostly 90's Beck through Modern Guilt at least), The Clash, Gorillaz, El-P, Funkadelic, Janelle Monae, MF Doom stuff like Madvillain, King Krule, Mos Def, Outkast, Pete Rock & CL Smooth, Rancid (if you like the punk stuff), Thundercat, and the Voidz.

[Brother McDuff]

If youre seeking a companion to Pauls Boutique, the following records are in league in terms of production technique:

three feet high - de la
it takes a nation - public enemy
peoples instinctive travels - tribe

[brooklyndust]

If youre seeking a companion to Pauls Boutique, the following records are in league in terms of production technique:

three feet high - de la
it takes a nation - public enemy

and Paul's

The holy trifecta of sampling brilliance

honorable mention to the ATCQ album as well.

[dust monkey]

i don't mention Nation because every single person in the world including my mom should automatically add the first 3 1/2 PE records to their mandatory listen-to-before-you-die list. especially Nation...that's about as much of a given/guarantee than you could have.

has Czarface been mentioned? if you like grimy east coast beats and rapping you should def check out Czar. they just released Czarface meets Ghostface and it's awesome, but all their records are great.

[Micodin]

currently listening to The Hurra and i don't get the hate.

the beats sound pretty nice to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[brooklyndust]

currently listening to The Hurra and i don't get the hate.

the beats sound pretty nice to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Which album?

[Micodin]

Which album?

The Hurra

[Sir SkratchaLot]

I used to spot Edan frequently in my neck of the woods (VA/MD/DC). Back in the late 90s he was at most hip hop jams with his Cub Scout hat and Technics record bag slinging his records. I used to seem him in DC quite a bit too. I always felt like he was the home-town guy who made it to the big leagues. He may still blow up but I always felt like he never got the props he deserved.

[Kid Presentable]

currently listening to The Hurra and i don't get the hate.

the beats sound pretty nice to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It’s not hate, it’s just nothing special. A few of the beats are pretty nice.

[brooklyndust]

I don't know if it has been mentioned, but BadBadNotGood a local band from here in Toronto the graduated from the Humber Music jazz program is worth checking out.

You can even see them jamming with Mike D on the echo chamber here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ3QAMtQOrQ

[Jiberish]

I used to spot Edan frequently in my neck of the woods (VA/MD/DC). Back in the late 90s he was at most hip hop jams with his Cub Scout hat and Technics record bag slinging his records. I used to seem him in DC quite a bit too. I always felt like he was the home-town guy who made it to the big leagues. He may still blow up but I always felt like he never got the props he deserved.

Ha! That's weird. He was at Berklee College of Music around the time I was going to Mass Art (or maybe just after). I knew a bunch of people who either collab'd with him, or who would just see him around at all the Boston hip hop stuff. I even had one friend who was a waiter and a hip hop fan, who always saw Edan at his restaurant/book store and would talk to him about music, and stuff.

So for me, he's my "home-town guy who made it to the big leagues." even though I didn't know about him until right before he left for Brooklyn.

[Jiberish]

It’s not hate, it’s just nothing special. A few of the beats are pretty nice.

Hurra has some nice beats. His 3rd album Don't Sleep was something I played now and again. The only song I really remember is Kickin' Wicked Rhymes, with Ad-Rock and Black Thought. It's a great beat, and Adrock destroys it, as does Black Thought. Great hook too. I haven't actually heard the song in over a decade, but I can still hear it playing in the back of my brain.

I've never listened to his first or second album, other than the Bboy cuts. I might do that.

[Micodin]

Ha! That's weird. He was at Berklee College of Music around the time I was going to Mass Art (or maybe just after). I knew a bunch of people who either collab'd with him, or who would just see him around at all the Boston hip hop stuff.

are u a big Mr. Lif fan? i love that dude

Hurra has some nice beats. His 3rd album Don't Sleep was something I played now and again. The only song I really remember is Kickin' Wicked Rhymes, with Ad-Rock and Black Thought. It's a great beat, and Adrock destroys it, as does Black Thought. Great hook too. I haven't actually heard the song in over a decade, but I can still hear it playing in the back of my brain.

I've never listened to his first or second album, other than the Bboy cuts. I might do that.

kicking like bruce lee (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urba_TpNTV0&frags=pl%2Cwn)

[Jiberish]

[QUOTE=Micodin;1821777]are u a big Mr. Lif fan? i love that dude



I like Mr.Lif. I never got super into him, but no denying his talent. A bunch of my friends were really into him though, so I have certainly heard most of his work. And dug it.

A buddy of mine used to be like the home studio engineer guy for Boston Hip Hop. I roped him into doing sound design for a music video (that unfortunately has yet to actually come out). My buddy showed it to Lif and he allegedly said " That was dope!".

So that's my one Mr.Lif non-story.

[Sir SkratchaLot]

[QUOTE=Micodin;1821777]are u a big Mr. Lif fan? i love that dude



I like Mr.Lif. I never got super into him, but no denying his talent. A bunch of my friends were really into him though, so I have certainly heard most of his work. And dug it.

A buddy of mine used to be like the home studio engineer guy for Boston Hip Hop. I roped him into doing sound design for a music video (that unfortunately has yet to actually come out). My buddy showed it to Lif and he allegedly said " That was dope!".

So that's my one Mr.Lif non-story.

I like that early Brick records catalog. It can be a little nerdy with all the comic book and medical science lingo but for that time it seemed fresh. They had really strong beats and some standout MCs, Esoteric and Mr. Lif being a few. Virtuoso, Army of the Pharaohs, etc.

Lif's Madness in a Cup track on the Rebel Alliance LP was dope. He even put out a 12" on Grand Royal with a nice banjo sample.

[dust monkey]

mr. lif and the perceptionists are nice.

this cut chemist + edan + lif jam (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ikB7hE9flw) has over 200 plays on my side

[dust monkey]

and this... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDYBX5VLj_E)

[Jiberish]

Yeah those are both dope. I need to dig into his stuff some more.

[dust monkey]

do these guys count? (https://youtu.be/omPLBtUE9cI)

[brooklyndust]

Really late to the game, but I am finally getting around to listening to ESG that some of you mentioned in a few months ago in another thread and damn are they fucking funky. Diggin it.