Clear Channel Sucks

[scrappy]

I won't be seeing the boys live this time around if they go through Clear Channel. It's hypocritical.

[paulb]

how does Clear Channel control the concert in any way? Ozzfest is sponsered by Clear Channel...

[Fake Mike]

how does Clear Channel control the concert in any way? Ozzfest is sponsered by Clear Channel...

Its kind of funny that your asking about taping a beastie show in another
thread and on this one your asking how clear channel has control over
concerts........?

I'm looking for a page on a web sight for you to read will be back..if you
dont understand....

Cant find it now, I'll try and find it tomarrow

[Loppfessor]

Yeah I'm intrigued now

[FunkyHiFi]

scrappy, go here:

"A Fine Mess" (http://mixonline.com/newmedia/internetaudio/audio_fine_mess/)

.....and scroll down to the paragraph titled THE CONCERT CONUNDRUM

Due to Clear Channel & other huge corporations being allowed to grow to near-monopolies :mad: , the Beasties may have no choice as far as where they perform.

[paris]

Plus, Clear Channel pulled the plug on the Guns N' Roses tour.

Motherfuckers!

[GarageNet74]

Here's a thought: Musicians once, hundreds of years ago, worked by performing. To be paid, they performed. The good or the lucky might work for kings; others might perform in the street for a meal.

I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, but it seems interesting to consider it.

The music I still enjoy the most is the music I experience in the moment. Even a Thursday night with the regular house band at the local bar / music hall was capable of transporting me in ways a recording could not. I think it had a lot to do with sharing the experience with friends, and probably also because it was all part of the total evening: pre-party, band, after-party. This music would stay with me, leave me longing for more, because it was part of a bigger picture.

The musicians in that Thursday night house band are local heroes, and they do alright for themselves, while leading real lives. No mansions, no big cars, no bitches and hoes, just a real life.

I hope Clear Channel chokes on its own greed. I hope people wake up to the real alternatives to store-bought music that exist all around us. Maybe this is like hating on McDonald's? Sure, it's really plain, boring food, but it is just so damned convenient, right? Radio is so convenient. CDs are convenient. mp3s are convenient. I listen to all of the above; I admit it.

Can anybody feel me?

[scrappy]

how does Clear Channel control the concert in any way? Ozzfest is sponsered by Clear Channel...
First of all, not to be a dick, and I love Ozzy himself, but the Ozzfest sucks big major shitty corporate rock balls. I wouldn't go to Ozzfest if you paid me!

2nd: any sensible concert promoter would most likely have pulled the plug on the Axl hi-jinx. Axl has repeatedly proven over the last 15 years that he's a losing investment.

3rd: my reason for hating Clear Channel is thus: Media monopolization is an abuse of democracy and capitalism, especially when used to push and agressive political agenda. As the 9/11 report comes out today proving once again that the basis for the war in Iraq was faulty, one must recall Clear Channel censoring anti-war voices, including the Beastie Boys' "In A World Gone Mad..."

There are many other reasons to avoid giving Clear Channel my cash because at this point I'm too educated on the issue to sacrifice my belief system. I guess if the Boys are reaching that segment of the population that doesn't delve too deep into politics and they convince that demographic to vote Bush out of the White House, well that's a good thing.

However, in the grand scheme of things, I would like to see Multi-Platinum recording artists like the Beastie Boys use their recording industry clout to do something about the Clear Channel situation, much like Peal Jam did with Ticketmaster (perhaps a bit too soon). I find it hard to believe that they're gonna do this without speaking out on it.

[paulb]

who said Clear Channel is sponsoring this tour?

[adrock1988]

Clear Channel controls most major venues in the U.S., no one said they are sponsoring the tour.

A big Fuck You to Clear Channel and ticketmaster. I could only hope one day to see the boys do shows without using either of these monopolies.

[KidintheCorner]

I hope Clear Channel chokes on its own greed. I hope people wake up to the real alternatives to store-bought music that exist all around us. Maybe this is like hating on McDonald's? Sure, it's really plain, boring food, but it is just so damned convenient, right? Radio is so convenient. CDs are convenient. mp3s are convenient. I listen to all of the above; I admit it.

Can anybody feel me?

yep. very well put.

as a side note i can clearly remember adrock bashing clear channel in an interview, so i really hope they're able to avoid doing things through them.

www.clearchannelsucks.org for those that are interested.

[Fake Mike]

The music I still enjoy the most is the music I experience in the moment. Even a Thursday night with the regular house band at the local bar / music hall was capable of transporting me in ways a recording could not. I think it had a lot to do with sharing the experience with friends, and probably also because it was all part of the total evening: pre-party, band, after-party. This music would stay with me, leave me longing for more, because it was part of a bigger picture.

The musicians in that Thursday night house band are local heroes, and they do alright for themselves, while leading real lives. No mansions, no big cars, no bitches and hoes, just a real life.

I hope Clear Channel chokes on its own greed. I hope people wake up to the real alternatives to store-bought music that exist all around us.

Can anybody feel me?

I'm on the same page, man......

And that "feeling" your talking about in your first few paragraphs is real.....
I take for granted the life I was given.......You should be happy your
one of those people who has expierenced this feeling.....of the bigger
picture......I Sure as hell am........

[Fake Mike]

essor]Yeah I'm intrigued now[/QUOTE]

yo instead of finding that article I wanted you to read....I'll
Just state my feelings......

First off when It comes to Business....I dont fuck around....I know my
shit.....Living in a corporate world means more to me then most.(I'm ass-u-ming you live in the US) In stead of going into a big rant on how corporations are good and bad, for they are both, I'll just tell you
how I feel about this clear channel situation.......This info is basically
new to most so I understand why you wouldnt of heard about the taping
business.........Recently....take the band "Phish" for an example.....
allowed tapers to record the shows and freely trade among fans.....
they actually had taper section seats by the sound board for convience...
Clear channel caught on to the profits that could be made by not allowing
taping of the shows.....and to provide the service for you, (sounds great right) so after every concert you could wait 10 to 15 minutes and be able
to buy copies of the show at a price(15-20 bucks........) As you know
Clear channel is not sponcering the beasties but as they have a Tour
over the US they might have to deal wit Clear channel as a Partner.......
I dont know about you but I enjoy downloading and coping live shows
of all kinds.....(Beasties Hub is great, thanks JT Cann) as for trading
these live show. who knows if it will be legal or not....my guess is no....
This is just an example of how Clear channel controls the Music industry....

There is plenty more if you want I'll come back and write more.....

If my spelling is off I'm really tired.......this example is just a minor effect

[GarageNet74]

How about this?

Take fire as an example. Three things are necessary for a fire to exist and continue to burn: 1) Heat 2) Oxygen 3) Fuel If you remove one of the three, the fire will cease to be.

Like fire, Clear Channel can only exist because conditions support its existence.

I was born into a world that largely assumed the recording industry was a good model for providing entertainment to the masses. When I was young, I actually spent a large portion of the fruits of my labor ( i.e., my money) on overpriced recordings. Many people still do. Many people still believe it is sane to spend big money on entertainment. Others don't believe, but compromise their beliefs and spend the big money anyhow. The action of working, earning money, and giving that money to the recording industry provides the fuel for the fire that is Clear Channel, or BMG, or [insert corporation name].

How can these corporations succeed with such a flawed business model? Is there no competition? I think yes and no... rather than a Clear Channel concert in a Clear Channel venue, the last event I attended was on a farm, with maybe 500 people, four bands, all night long. It was better, to me, than just about any herd-of-cattle, major-venue experience I've ever attended. It was an alternative to the big corporate package. The price was right. The proceeds went to a local charity. So is this a legitimate option for everyone? No. And herein lies the problem... I don't care if someone in another part of the country is tuned in to the exact same music, by the exact same musicians as I saw and heard that evening.

Many people do care. They care very much that they go see the band with the biggest hype, the band that everyone has heard of. This doesn't bother me in and of itself, but the fact that they will pay a premium just to have what everyone else has... that is disturbing. To return to the McDonald's analogy, I go to McDonald's sometimes, and if I ever had a funny story to relate about McDonald's, or some McDonald's trivia to share, I am sure I could talk to nearly anyone about it and they would understand on some level... after all, we're talking about McDonald's, eveybody has heard of them. But would I pay a premium to eat from the same trough as eveyone else? NO WAY! Eveybody knows that in food, the big volume sellers have to aim for the lowest common denominator, they have to appeal to everyone, and so they don't make it exactly the way that anyone really wants it. When I want something delicious, I take my wife to a small, local restaurant. I know the guy who cooks our meal. He knows me. He puts extra chipotle pepper sauce on my angel hair pasta. Now that is something I am willing to pay a premium for.

Paying a premium for something special, and paying only $3.40 for a full (bland) meal at McDonald's; that makes sense to me. So why doesn't this ring true for the music biz? What in the world are we thinking? If McDonald's suddenly started charging $35.00 for a cheeseburger, even a really good cheeseburger, would I go eat there? (just to be like everyone else?) And what if I could have a meal that was more tailored to my personal tastes, for a quarter of the price of the McDonald's meal? So why do we pay $35, $50, $75 to go get what everyone else is having?

Clear Channel exists, not in a vaccuum, but in a world rich with heat, oxygen, and fuel. Clear Channel would be stupid to not provide what they provide, as long as there is fuel, as long as mindless cattle are willing to spend half a paycheck for the pleasure of being treated like, well, cattle. Personally, I don't like being herded... and I'll be damned if I pay someone to do it.

Moooo!

[GarageNet74]

P.S. If anyone wants to listen to some local music, email me...
null_character@hotmail.com