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kingcrimson024
08-17-2004, 12:02 PM
The Patriot Act II bill itself is stamped "Confidential -Not for Distribution."

SECTION 501 (Expatriation of Terrorists) expands the Bush administration’s “enemy combatant” definition to all American citizens who “may” have violated any provision of Section 802 of the first Patriot Act. (Section 802 is the new definition of domestic terrorism, and the definition is “any action that endangers human life that is a violation of any Federal or State law.”) Section 501 of the second Patriot Act directly connects to Section 125 of the same act. The Justice Department boldly claims that the incredibly broad Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act isn’t broad enough and that a new, unlimited definition of terrorism is needed.


Under Section 501 a US citizen engaging in lawful activities can be grabbed off the street and thrown into a van never to be seen again. The Justice Department states that they can do this because the person “had inferred from conduct” that they were not a US citizen. Remember Section 802 of the First USA Patriot Act states that any violation of Federal or State law can result in the “enemy combatant” terrorist designation.


SECTION 201 of the second Patriot Act makes it a criminal act for any member of the government or any citizen to release any information concerning the incarceration or whereabouts of detainees. It also states that law enforcement does not even have to tell the press who they have arrested and they never have to release the names.


SECTION 301 and 306 (Terrorist Identification Database) set up a national database of “suspected terrorists” and radically expand the database to include anyone associated with suspected terrorist groups and anyone involved in crimes or having supported any group designated as “terrorist.” These sections also set up a national DNA database for anyone on probation or who has been on probation for any crime, and orders State governments to collect the DNA for the Federal government.


SECTION 312 gives immunity to law enforcement engaging in spying operations against the American people and would place substantial restrictions on court injunctions against Federal violations of civil rights across the board.

SECTION 101 will designate individual terrorists as foreign powers and again strip them of all rights under the “enemy combatant” designation.

SECTION 102 states clearly that any information gathering, regardless of whether or not those activities are illegal, can be considered to be clandestine intelligence activities for a foreign power. This makes news gathering illegal.

SECTION 103 allows the Federal government to use wartime martial law powers domestically and internationally without Congress declaring that a state of war exists.

SECTION 106 is bone-chilling in its straightforwardness. It states that broad general warrants by the secret FSIA court (a panel of secret judges set up in a star chamber system that convenes in an undisclosed location) granted under the first Patriot Act are not good enough. It states that government agents must be given immunity for carrying out searches with no prior court approval. This section throws out the entire Fourth Amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures.

SECTION 109 allows secret star chamber courts to issue contemp charges against any individual or corporation who refuses to incriminate themselves or others. This sections annihilate the last vestiges of the Fifth Amendment.

SECTION 110 restates that key police state clauses in the first Patriot Act were not sunsetted and removes the five year sunset clause from other subsections of the first Patriot Act. After all, the media has told us: “this is the New America. Get used to it. This is forever.”

SECTION 111 expands the definition of the “enemy combatant” designation.

SECTION 122 restates the government’s newly announced power of “surveillance without a court order.”

SECTION 123 restates that the government no longer needs warrants and that the investigations can be a giant dragnet-style sweep described in press reports about the Total Information Awareness Network. One passage reads, “thus the focus of domestic surveillance may be less precise than that directed against more conventional types of crime.”

*Note: Over and over again, in subsection after subsection, the second Patriot Act states that its new Soviet-type powers will be used to fight international terrorism, domestic terrorism and other types of crimes. Of course the government has already announced in Section 802 of the first USA Patriot act that any crime is considered domestic terrorism.

SECTION 126 grants the government the right to mine the entire spectrum of public and private sector information from bank records to educational and medical records. This is the enacting law to allow ECHELON and the Total Information Awareness Network to totally break down any and all walls of privacy.

The government states that they must look at everything to “determine” if individuals or groups might have a connection to terrorist groups. As you can now see, you are guilty until proven innocent.

SECTION 127 allows the government to takeover coroners’ and medical examiners’ operations whenever they see fit. See how this is like Bill Clinton’s special medical examiner he had in Arkansas that ruled that people had committed suicide when their arms and legs had been cut off.

SECTION 128 allows the Federal government to place gag orders on Federal and State Grand Juries and to take over the proceedings. It also disallows individuals or organizations to even try to quash a Federal subpoena. So now defending yourself will be a terrorist action.

SECTION 129 destroys any remaining whistleblower protection for Federal agents.

SECTION 202 allows corporations to keep secret their activities with toxic biological, chemical or radiological materials.

SECTION 205 allows top Federal officials to keep all their financial dealings secret, and anyone investigating them can be considered a terrorist. This should be very useful for Dick Cheney to stop anyone investigating Haliburton.

SECTION 303 sets up national DNA database of suspected terrorists. The database will also be used to “stop other unlawful activities.” It will share the information with state, local and foreign agencies for the same purposes.

SECTION 311 federalizes your local police department in the area of information sharing.

SECTION 313 provides liability protection for businesses, especially big businesses that spy on their customers for Homeland Security, violating their privacy agreements. It goes on to say that these are all preventative measures – has anyone seen Minority Report? This is the access hub for the Total Information Awareness Network.

SECTION 321 authorizes foreign governments to spy on the American people and to share information with foreign governments.

SECTION 322 removes Congress from the extradition process and allows officers of the Homeland Security complex to extradite American citizens anywhere they wish. It also allows Homeland Security to secretly take individuals out of foreign countries.

SECTION 402 is titled “Providing Material Support to Terrorism.” The section reads that there is no requirement to show that the individual even had the intent to aid terrorists.

SECTION 403 expands the definition of weapons of mass destruction to include any activity that affects interstate or foreign commerce.

SECTION 404 makes it a crime for a terrorist or “other criminals” to use encryption in the commission of a crime.

SECTION 408 creates “lifetime parole” (basically, slavery) for a whole host of crimes.

SECTION 410 creates no statute of limitations for anyone that engages in terrorist actions or supports terrorists. Remember: any crime is now considered terrorism under the first Patriot Act.

SECTION 411 expands crimes that are punishable by death. Again, they point to Section 802 of the first Patriot Act and state that any terrorist act or support of terrorist act can result in the death penalty.

SECTION 421 increases penalties for terrorist financing. This section states that any type of financial activity connected to terrorism will result to time in prison and $10-50,000 fines per violation.

SECTIONS 427 sets up asset forfeiture provisions for anyone engaging in terrorist activities.

Vladimir
08-17-2004, 02:00 PM
I don't understand how anyone can look at crazy shit like this and still want to vote for Bush. This is nuts! :eek:

Jasonik
08-17-2004, 02:52 PM
kingcrimson024
Where did you get the info from?
Have you read the actual draft?

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The full 87 page "The Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003" PDF is located here (http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/downloads/Story_01_020703_Doc_1.pdf).
There are numerous opponents on either side of the aisle (http://abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/conservatives_patriot030312.html).

ASsman
08-17-2004, 03:10 PM
What about the "Freedom of Information Act"....

EN[i]GMA
08-17-2004, 03:57 PM
I'm making it a point to read the entire thing. Not being a law major a lot of it goes over my head but this is scary beyeond belief. One passage that has me worried is 124: Multi-Function devices. It says that while searching any 1 function of a device (e-mail) they are free to examine ANY other. So they could have a tap to monitor your e-mail and be free to search your entire computer.

TheWedge
08-17-2004, 04:06 PM
Isn't this what we fought the cold war to avoid?

Ace42
08-17-2004, 04:22 PM
You guys need to get out of the US while the getting is good. It's just a matter of time before you're on the last train to Birkneau.

Whois
08-17-2004, 04:31 PM
I'm not saying that everything in the patriot act is good,
but extreme enemies require extreme measures.

Put that brown shirt away crackhead, you're not needed.

TheWedge
08-17-2004, 04:51 PM
I'm not saying that everything in the patriot act is good,
but extreme enemies require extreme measures.

Sacrificing freedom for safety?
I guess if the terrorists hate our freedom, this is one way to stop them.
Now they'll have to think of another reason to hate us.

ASsman
08-17-2004, 05:41 PM
HAHAHAHAHA, yah lets "not change our way of living" shithead, terrorist will bever "change our way of living". And as for freedom, fuck it Im out this bitch. Fuck America I wont be here for the destruction only for the revolution.

Vladimir
08-17-2004, 07:02 PM
Gmsisko - Read George Orwell's 1984 and then say that again. There is a difference between terrorists and everyday people, which is most certainly not reflected in either USA PATRIOT act.

EN[i]GMA
08-17-2004, 07:24 PM
I already see my Ignoring sisko was a good idea. Now if only posts responding to him were ignored I would be able to forum post in peace.

Funkaloyd
08-17-2004, 07:28 PM
Don't tell me you haven't the slightest bit of temptation pulling at you. What did Gmsisko post this time? You know that you want to know ;)

EN[i]GMA
08-17-2004, 07:35 PM
I can tell you what it was:

"Hi, I'm GMsisko. Maybe you know me by one of my aliases, DeffiantHitter, Arabslayer and a bunch of other stupid ones. I don't have any unique thoughts or interesting qualities. I have nothing better to do all day than browse Conservative sites, find biased, slanderous and untrue articles and then launch them in a poorly concieved attack on Liberals. And in closing I would to say, vote for John Kerry if you want al Qauada to take over America. End transimission"

That it?

As for this bill, the writing certainly is on the wall. How long before the riot squads march down the streets enforcing martial law? It's INEVIETABLE if this TERRORISM is allowed to continue. Down with fascist PATRIOT Acts and fake, corrupt governments.

ASsman
08-17-2004, 08:37 PM
Hmm true that hommie. But I have to let out some rage every now and then, or I will turn green.

kingcrimson024
08-17-2004, 09:09 PM
Its important for you to know that bush and kerry are for the same acts.
They both are part of the secret society (cult) Skulls and Bones.
Kerry joined in 1966 and Bush joined in 1968.
They both cannot talk about it at all. Ever.
Its scary shit.
Bush and Kerry are also distant cousins too.

Check out www.infowar.com

Educate the masses before we are all fucked!

mcaismyhero
08-17-2004, 09:21 PM
"Hi I am GMsisko1. In addition to all the things previously mentioned, I don't even like the Beastie Boys. At all. Well, actually, I did think that "You Gotta Fight For Your Right To Party" was a good song so I joined this message board. But I dno't thkin that any of there other songs are that good. I also like Stra Terk. That's sbout it. Talk to you later."

ASsman
08-17-2004, 10:02 PM
Yah well, Bush smells like poopy so there! Also Bush has started a war Kerry on the other hand had a bit less to do with it.

mcaismyhero
08-18-2004, 10:09 AM
Yah well, Bush smells like poopy so there! Also Bush has started a war Kerry on the other hand had a bit less to do with it.

Oh yeah? Well Kerry is a Klingon! :rolleyes:

EN[i]GMA
08-18-2004, 11:19 AM
Wonder what the founding fathers would think of this? Shame they didn't leave behind some binding documents that would be used to insure the people stayed free of government tyranny.

How is this bill in any way Consititutional?

Jasonik
08-18-2004, 11:27 AM
It is just a draft, and I'm sure it is not constitutional.