Arnold

[Echewta]

"If you believe we must be fierce and relentless and terminate terrorism — then you are a Republican."

Interesting. Does it show the party affiliation on the coffins that come back to this country? Do they ask soldiers who they vote for when they come back wounded?

[100% ILL]

"If you believe we must be fierce and relentless and terminate terrorism — then you are a Republican."

Interesting. Does it show the party affiliation on the coffins that come back to this country? Do they ask soldiers who they vote for when they come back wounded?

Can you explain why it is you think soldiers are victims all of a sudden. Military service means fighting in wars when called upon. Party affiliation means nothing when you signed up to obey the orders of the President of the United States.

[Echewta]

I'm bring up the point that dems and independents are dying for the war that they were called to serve in. Its not just a republican thing. They can't own the "war on terror" when its not just republicans who are police officers, govt. workers, soldiers, etc. Its offensive.

[abdulmohammad]

Arnold killed it last night. Dude is ill.


vote Kerry/McGreevy 2004 "Get your gay on"

[jegtar]

Arnold killed it last night. Dude is ill.


vote Kerry/McGreevy 2004 "Get your gay on"

I agree, ARNOLD 2012!!!

[bilbo]

Unfortunately his humble Nazi beginnings in Austria exclude him. However, if he could run, it appears there'd be no shortage of idiots who would vote him.

[mcaismyhero]

You do have to admit that when he said "economic girlie man" it was awesome.

[bilbo]

You do have to admit that when he said "economic girlie man" it was awesome.


Yeah that was awesome. I am sure the unemployed factory worker in Ohio appreciates being called a fag because he has doubts about the economy.

[100% ILL]

You do have to admit that when he said "economic girlie man" it was awesome.


My favorite part was "If you think the U.S. is the greatest hope for democracy and not the U.N." (something to that effect)

[mcaismyhero]

Yeah that was awesome. I am sure the unemployed factory worker in Ohio appreciates being called a fag because he has doubts about the economy.

No not because he insulted some dude from Ohio. Because it was just funny as hell to hear him actually use it in a political speech.

[bilbo]

No not because he insulted some dude from Ohio. Because it was just funny as hell to hear him actually use it in a political speech.

That's about as deep as it gets with Ahnuld.

[100% ILL]

That's about as deep as it gets with Ahnuld.


Hearing that it was hearing Nixon persuaded him to be a Republican. That's deep

[bilbo]

Hearing that it was hearing Nixon persuaded him to be a Republican. That's deep

I think his Nazi father played a small role in it.

[bilbo]

I wonder if Arnold has denounced his support for Kurt Waldheim yet? :eek:

[Echewta]

I live in California. Arnold uses the term "Girlie Men" and other on screen gems on a weekly basis. This was nothing new of a speech for those of us in California. The difference this time was that he wasn't in a mall.

[mcaismyhero]

I live in California. Arnold uses the term "Girlie Men" and other on screen gems on a weekly basis. This was nothing new of a speech for those of us in California. The difference this time was that he wasn't in a mall.

Oh man. That is dissapointing.

[Señor Stino]

damn, I will always kinda liked Arnie, I also thought he was funny as a politician

but then you read

this (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/03/schwarzenegger.ap/index.html)


and I don't like people who lie, arnie sucks!

[Blighty]

this (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/03/schwarzenegger.ap/index.html)


and I don't like people who lie, arnie sucks!

I just read this (http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0409/S00033.htm) story before I read your one. Fascinating.

[Echewta]

Yea but where was Kerry during that one Christmas huh? WELL???

[ChrisLove]

I just read this (http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0409/S00033.htm) story before I read your one. Fascinating.


The problem with the whole 'debate' accusation aimed at Arnie is that at no point during the speech did he say he had seen a debate between the two!

He says he watched the presidential race on TV not that he watched a debate..

I remember watching the Nixon and Humphrey presidential race on TV.

Unless I am missing something (like he mentioned a debate somewhere else), it would seem that he did not lie in this instance

[Echewta]

^ Good point.

[Blighty]

^ Good point.

[robofoo76]

Can you explain why it is you think soldiers are victims all of a sudden. Military service means fighting in wars when called upon. Party affiliation means nothing when you signed up to obey the orders of the President of the United States.
Well said 100%ILL.

[bilbo]

Unless I am missing something (like he mentioned a debate somewhere else), it would seem that he did not lie in this instance

Unless we are to believe that Arnold had a translator friend with him as he happened run across back to back political speeches from each candidate, then he did lie.


I remember watching the Nixon and Humphrey presidential race on TV. A friend who spoke German and English, translated for me. I heard Humphrey saying things that sounded like socialism which is what I had just left. But then I heard Nixon speak. He was talking about free enterprise, getting government off your back, lowering taxes, and strengthening the military. Listening to Nixon speak sounded more like a breath of fresh air.

[valvano]

Yeah that was awesome. I am sure the unemployed factory worker in Ohio appreciates being called a fag because he has doubts about the economy.

then the factory worker should maybe find a new line of work????

its a changing economy, funny thing that the same political party that supports higher business taxes, govt regulation, wacko environmental laws, labor unions and the archaic work rules that come with them, calls anybody who is successful "greedy", above-marketplace wages, can sit there and cry about jobs being sent overseas........

(!)

[bilbo]

then the factory worker should maybe find a new line of work????


yawn (n)

[valvano]

hey bilbo,
what do you do for a living? you are in your mid 30s, but you post on here a lot throughout the day. i check things out when i need to veg out while at the office,

you married, you got kids, you work? lived in the real world? taken out a mortgage? pay taxes?

i hope you have more going on in life than some stupid message board..

[bilbo]

hey bilbo,
what do you do for a living? you are in your mid 30s, but you post on here a lot throughout the day. i check things out when i need to veg out while at the office,

you married, you got kids, you work? lived in the real world? taken out a mortgage? pay taxes?

i hope you have more going on in life than some stupid message board..

Haven't you heard, I smoke shit from a bong in my mom's basement.
I also have a pet lizard, and a guinea pig which I named Williams and Ree. What's your point other than a lame attempt at a putdown.
:confused:

[Blighty]

then the factory worker should maybe find a new line of work????

its a changing economy, funny thing that the same political party that supports higher business taxes, govt regulation, wacko environmental laws, labor unions and the archaic work rules that come with them, calls anybody who is successful "greedy", above-marketplace wages, can sit there and cry about jobs being sent overseas........

(!)

Are you talking about the politcal party that has a multimillionaire who schooled in Switzerland as their presidential canditidate? And a multi millionaire lawyer as the vice presidential candidate?

[infidel]

then the factory worker should maybe find a new line of work????



(!)Yeah right, how about you sell your home, and move the up to Alaska's North Slope for a job if all the businesses fold in your area?

[valvano]

Yeah right, how about you sell your home, and move the up to Alaska's North Slope for a job if all the businesses fold in your area?

i could always sit on my ass and whine to the government to solve my problems..........

or i could create my own job......

[Bob]

it's easy!

[Echewta]

wacko environmental laws?

Please see the governments position on Global Warming the last 4 years compared to the rest of the worlds. K, thanks.

Oh, see Superfund and do a google search for what park rangers look like in Yosemite during the winter snowmobile season.

Breath in.

[EN[i]GMA]

Valvanos right guys! There are all kinds of jobs out there! People who get laid off after working 25 years at the plastic injection machine plant just up the road must be lazy! The economy is great! They need to find a new line of work!

[deita]

you are kidding aren't you? the economy is not great. oh, that is unless you are lucky enough to have parents or family etc., who hand it out to you. and i'm not referring this response to you EN[i]GMA. just sayin the economy sucks. period. and no i don't live in my parents basement nor have i received any government assistance. i own my own home blah blah blah. just in case one of you republican puppets is gonna start spoutin of some shit like that.

[EN[i]GMA]

I was being sarcastic. Cons always say unemployment is due to people not being willing to work.

[deita]

it's hard to tell sometimes, that's cool

[sneakyimp]

yeah...economy sucks. i went to ivy league college and now i'm broke...i'm totally sucking wind here.

and 'wacko' environmental laws?? please! i don't know if you've ever been to LA but the smog gets HORRIFIC. Cali has been trying to strengthen emissions laws for sometime and the feds keep fuckin' with them. Asthma rates and autism rates are soaring and it's generally attributed to poor air and the 'aggregate toxicity' of your environment--thinks like Mercury and stuff getting into your food because we're burning so much coal. ALSO--ever seen a strip mine? biggest eyesore you've EVER seen.

Also, what about water? You might have read something about a 'dead zone' in the gulf of mexico? meaning that fish simply CANNOT LIVE in huge stretches of the gulf? that's a much more tangible example of climate change than global warming--and has an immediate impact on people who make a living fishing down there. should they get new jobs too?

more awesome arnold behavior:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5904516/

[IceGargoylle]

bilbo:

i would hate to burst your bubble. but one such instance where kerry was talking to factory workers, of course part of a union, he asked a lady about her job. she said she worked in a ribbon factory and had been laid off due to foriegn pressures int he market. she proceeded to tell the story that at the end of the work day, the whole shift was addressed and then laid off. no warning, nonothing, event he locks were being changed that instance.
of course kerry goeson to ramble on about things. the end.
if i recall correctly, it was newsweek that carried the story. so somee time goes by and a reporter decided to check up on t his woman's situation. he calls her, starts to ask questions about the whole thing and comes to find out that she did get laid off. BUT, she had also been called back to work before that night with kerry. the union told all employees not to go back becuase of a dispute about the health care plan. it also comes to light that the union put her up to this, and guess what, kerry singled her out first and asked scripted questions to get a scripted answer.

and btw, factory jobs have been declining for, ummmmmmmm, 30-40 years.

[IceGargoylle]

sneakyimp;

haha, the gullf of mexico. did you know there are vast, and i mean vast algea beds int he gulf? didnt htink so, btw warm water supports less life than cold, just a fact man. there arent any deep see currents int he gulf, only along the atlantic coast.

strip mines as eyesoars..wow..you must not have heard, they have to put the environment back to the way it was before hand. and yes, this is all part of getting cleared to mine, all approved etc. plus there must be barriers so you can not see it from the road, etc. atleast in populated areas.

ivy league school, whats your degree in? social work or something? the economy being bad is laughable becuase it isnt. unemployment is at 5.5%.

compare that to ANY other nation and then decide who has it bad.

global warming, and i guess you didnt hear, the sun is getting hotter as part of a nature cycle. alas i do agrre about polution as a whole, i could be ALOT better.

[Funkaloyd]

4% unemployment in NZ.

[IceGargoylle]

how bout UK, france, germany, russia, china, spain. all those country's dem's are fearful wont like us anymore.

NZ, wow, i saw a cool discovery show on HD about NZ or atleast a segment...very nice, i would love to visit there someday.

[ChrisLove]

global warming, and i guess you didnt hear, the sun is getting hotter as part of a nature cycle.


Do you not think CO2 emissions might be contributing to global warming?

I dont know about a natural cycle but the variations in earth temperatures are higher now than at any time since the year 1000 and CO2 levels in the atmostsphere are about 100% higher than they have been at any other time over the last 60 000 years.

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/figspm-1.htm

Atmospheric carbon dioxide concentrations have risen more in the last three
decades than in the previous three centuries. The rate of increase itself is also
on the rise. During the 1980s and 1990s, concentration of atmospheric carbon
dioxide rose by an average of 1.5 ppm a year. In both 2002 and 2003,
however, the level has risen by 2.5 ppm.
�� The Kyoto Protocol requires that greenhouse gas emissions are reduced to 5.2
percent below 1990 levels within the 2008 – 2012 period. In actual fact they
have already risen by 10 percent.
�� The 15 hottest years on record have occurred since 1980, the 10 hottest since
1990 and the five hottest since 1997.
�� The Earth is hotter now than at any time in the last 2,000 years.
�� During the 20th century, a veil of soot, smoke and particulate matter may have
provided a shield against three quarters of the effects of global warming. With
the atmosphere growing cleaner, the worst case temperature rise by 2100 may
be 7 – 10 degrees Celsius.
�� Even taking global warming into account, last year’s European heat wave was
an event that should only happen every 46,000 years.
�� A worst case 8 degrees C temperature rise by 2100 would result in wholesale
melting of the Greenland Ice Sheet and a rise in sea level of 6 m by the end of
the millennium.
�� In the UK, summers may be 50 percent or more drier and winters up to 30
percent wetter by 2080.
�� In the south east of the UK, sea levels are expected to rise by between 26 and
86 cm by the 2080s.
�� Annual economic damage due to UK flooding could increase from £1 billion
now to between £1.5 and £21 billion by the 2080s, depending on the scenario.
�� In the last 50 years the number of severe winter storms affecting the UK has
risen significantly.
�� Global warming may lead to the formation of more tropical cyclones in the
South Atlantic.
�� Independent studies point to significant contemporary changes in the
behaviour of North Atlantic ocean currents; perhaps heralding a weakening of
the Gulf Stream.

http://www.benfieldhrc.org/SiteRoot/activities/tech_papers/climate_change.pdf

Its an inaccurate science but to dismiss greenhouse gas induced global warming on party political grounds (as many seem to do) is incomprehensible stupidity (not accusing you of this, I have no idea of your political orientation) . Nature does not give a fuck if you are a republican or not, simply burying your head in the sand will not make this problem go away.

[IceGargoylle]

noone really knows, but we do know the sun is getting hotter. im sure there is something to that, i have no doubts. you know, its not us im worried about, its other nations, one in particular is china. i dont think theres much we can do about that one. we are gong to be fighting this for the next century. the US will become less dependent on fossil fuels, i am very sure of that...hopefully in 10-20 years we will be off them for autos and residential use. the oil companies are working on it.

that little snipit was enjoyable, but 1.5-2.5 ppm's isnt anything. there are alot of "may"'s int herre also. i get irritated when ppl believe the worst case senario, the doom and gloom stuff is just so tired.

by the way, it seems your snipit contradicts itself. hottest in 2000 years. but EU hasnt beent hat hot in 43000 years? the stats can show anything they want, but thier own proof discredits them.

and just another bit o' info, the earth will never get as hot as they are saying, nor will there ever be significant flooding. when the north pole melts it will cuase global cooling. the north pole is the climate regulator for the whole earth in the form of heavy water and deep ocean currents.

[infidel]

Better proof than any thermometer that global warming is real is that the normal range of many plants, insects and birds has been moving northward (south on the other side of the equator) at an accelerated rate. According to fossil records most of these life forms haven't been this far north in over 10,000 years.
Whether it matters or is human caused is open to debate but it seems to me that if there is anything humans can do to slow it down it would be extremely stupid not to.

[ChrisLove]

by the way, it seems your snipit contradicts itself. hottest in 2000 years. but EU hasnt beent hat hot in 43000 years? the stats can show anything they want, but thier own proof discredits them.



That is not a contradiction, The report is saying that a heat wave such as was experianced in Europe that year would have a probability of 1 in 46 000 of occuring naturally, ie unaided by global warming. The hottest in 2000 years concerns average temperatures, that is not in the slightest bit contradictory. The fact that global warming is happening is not in dispute by anyone, the dispute is what is causing it.


I am unconvinced also the 1.5 ppm is insignificant annual growth for Carbon Dioxide content and while much of what I posted is a worst case scenario, the best case scenarios are still problematic.

This sun getting warmer argument may be true, I have been reading about it on google since you mentioned it, I have yet to find a source blaming it for global warming, the highest I have seen is that it may contribute to about 20% of the global warming effect and that little research has been done on it, hopefully G.W. will turn out to be a natural cycle but it almost certainly will not. Perhaps you can find a better source for this sun heating up argument.

I also think 10-20 years is highly optimistic for being off oil for cars but inevitably once peak production is reached, oil prices will rise steadily and people will start develop alternatives, finding viable alternatives for power generation will be dificult too.

[EN[i]GMA]

Alternative energy will only become viable for people as long as it's cheaper than oil. It's not now. People don't care about saving anything unless it's money. Oil companies will charge huge prices for alt energy once they come up with it. And the consumer loses. Again.

[ChrisLove]

GMA']Alternative energy will only become viable for people as long as it's cheaper than oil. It's not now. People don't care about saving anything unless it's money. Oil companies will charge huge prices for alt energy once they come up with it. And the consumer loses. Again.


True, but governments can help with appropriate grants and taxes to make alternative energy more competitive. This was essentially the idea behind Kyoto, to use an emissions trading scheme or heavy financial penalties to ensure that alternative fuels do become competitive.

This is essentially why conservatives dont like the idea, I guess, it means some pretty hard core regulation on industry. Global Warming represents yet another example of horrendous free market failure, with the auto industry once again out there leading the field in terms of failing to achieve a good market based outcome.

[EN[i]GMA]

Government should help with this. The human race may depend on it. At the same time, the people that benefit most are the rich. As always. It seems nothing can break the cycle.

[infidel]

Big reason hydrogen has been offered as an alternative is because it keeps the distribution system intact, the pipelines and filling stations, thus continuing big oil's strangle hold on the public.

[infidel]

Yep you're quite right, the economy is just peachy, so many jobs that many people have two...

[Bob]

Yep you're quite right, the economy is just peachy, so many jobs that many people have two...

LOL

yeah, the economy today has true numbers

not those shitty fake numbers, like clinton had, pretending to be higher than todays

[IceGargoylle]

i saw some awesome doc's on hydrogen. they have one in Iceland? a mock station open right now. the cool thing is, hydr works just as good as gas, but right now of course the engines are too expensive.

btw, i have no problem with oil companies making money, they are the ones that are working on these problems, among others. even though independents can have a great idea, you also have to think mass production, materials, etc.
they have this "block" that can absorb hydro so the fuels cells wont be that big. very cool stuff. i think its gonna be soonre than later for the US and EU. other parts of the world, wh knows. china is my only worry when it comes to energy. the gov. there will do whatever it takes to succeed int he market for thier products. plus thier emmisions standards are 2 or 3 gnerations behind ours as far as cars go. who knows what they are doing industrial wise, i think id rather not know.

[Farrah]

I live in California. Arnold uses the term "Girlie Men" and other on screen gems on a weekly basis. This was nothing new of a speech for those of us in California.

Yeah, but its always funny. :D