Hey if you pussies want something to be against, why not be against this???

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/18/iraq.hostages/index.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040917.wbasayev0917/BNStory/Front/

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/18/iraq.main/index.html

[Bob]

post some text, us biased bastards are never gonna click that

[D_Raay]

"...yeah you could say I'm a republican, but i prefer the title, "short term bullshit adviser"

[Schmeltz]

Has anyone come out explicitly in favour of such disgusting atrocities? I haven't found posts to that effect.

[EN[i]GMA]

Of course I'm against them. I'm looking for ways to prevent this kind of thing. Anyone know what it is? If so, they'll get a cookie.

[ASsman]

The thing is Enigma, that if you are against what Bush is doing in Iraq simpleton logic dictates you are for the terrorist. Just like say in a pretend world there is famine, and Bush decides to feed children with .50 caliber slugs, if you are against this then you are FOR the famine and dying of small children and puppies alike.
Of course there would be no terrorist kidnapping in Iraq if we weren't INVADING THEM. But that of course is just a bunch of liberal bullshit , albeit backed up by facts.

[getoninja]

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_23-6-2004_pg4_19

[D_Raay]

That is a RETARDED thing to say. We don't feed children with .50 caliber slugs. Children are not the target. And there was an Iraq Al Qaeda conection.
Man you are dumb. IRAQI CHILDREN ARE DYING AT THE HANDS OF THE US OCCUPATION FORCES. You don't understand even the simplest of metaphors and then claim no inch whipper can back up his statements with fact. And as far as an Iraqi/ Al Quaeda connection, your own party admits that that was dubious at best and based on flawed intelligence.

[ASsman]

Well both of you are wrong, it's and analogy. Atleast D-Ray tried to undestand it , and to some extent did. But I guess his interpretation makes more sense than what I meant, heh.

Oh and "thanks for playing".

[D_Raay]

Well both of you are wrong, it's and analogy. Atleast D-Ray tried to undestand it , and to some extent did. But I guess his interpretation makes more sense than what I meant, heh.

Oh and "thanks for playing".
Hehe you know I was flip flopping in my head whether it was an analogy or a metaphor I guess I interpreted wrong :D

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/19/turkey.blast/index.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/19/iraq.main/index.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132849,00.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132844,00.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131715,00.html

[EN[i]GMA]

Great posts Capone! Really helps to put in perspective just how effective our War on Terror has been thus far. Going into Iraq was a great move!

PS: My new sig rocks your socks.

[Tone Capone]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,1307870,00.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2004/madrid.bombing/

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2002/bali/

[Ace42]

Capone, Capone, Capone, you really are exposing your ignorance. Msot of these (inspecific the Madrid bombing) are direct and avowed retaliation for "The war on terror" most notably Iraq. There is not need to be against "the madrid bombing" merely because the issue is resolved. Spain pulled out of Iraq, they ceased to be a target for Al Qaeda / Islamic terrorists.

By being "against" the war on terror, we are defacto against all of these things, as preventing the war (and its causes, IE US imperialism) would've prevented most of these things from happening.

You want to treat the symptoms, not the cause. A totally inneffecient and inneffective method of activism. Further evidence, if it is needed, that you are the establishment's bitch. They have you wasting your time leaping through their hoops like a stooge.

[deita]

Hey if you pussies want something to be against, why not be against this???
last i heard or read the draft was not in effect, so you signed up for the military. you will never convince me war is a good thing. maybe you are trying to convince yourself.

[Tone Capone]

All I'm saying is, if you want to bitch and moan about something, why not bitch and moan about this???

[Tone Capone]

last i heard or read the draft was not in effect, so you signed up for the military. you will never convince me war is a good thing. maybe you are trying to convince yourself.

Nope.

[ASsman]

Just ignore all of Aces posts, since they obviously don't answer any of yours.

As for your sig Enigma, my socks have been rocked. I laughed hard for many seconds over it, I think my service would end something like the first part of Full Metal Jacket.

[Funkaloyd]

if you want to bitch and moan about something, why not bitch and moan about this???

There isn't much point in doing so on a largely American message board, especially when no one on the board actually supports the terrorists in question. Don't you agree?

When in Rome, protest the Caesar.

[Tone Capone]

if you want to bitch and moan about something, why not bitch and moan about this???

There isn't much point in doing so on a largely American message board, especially when no one on the board actually supports the terrorists in question. Don't you agree?

When in Rome, protest the Caesar.

I see what you are saying, but it DOES seem like a lot of the "people" here are okay with the terrorism, they usually hear about the acts and go "well what about..." or "yeah but look at.." like a damn 4 year old when you tell them to go to bed "what about the big kids?!?! they can stay up!!" (for example).

Thanks for answering my question .

[Abe Froman]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Ace42]

I see what you are saying, but it DOES seem like a lot of the "people" here are okay with the terrorism, they usually hear about the acts and go "well what about..." or "yeah but look at.." like a damn 4 year old when you tell them to go to bed "what about the big kids?!?! they can stay up!!" (for example).

Thanks for answering my question .

What a feeble analogy. Not to be unexpected from a feeble mind. Understanding something does not mean you agree with it. You think the fact that people can see where terrorists are coming from means they are FOR hostage taking, etc?

Are you that stupid that you actually believe Bush when he says "you are either for us, or ag'in' us"?

Please note these questions are rhetorical, the answers are clearly evident to anyone who has the misfortune to read your posts.

Firstly, it is "not like a 4 year old when you tell them to go to bed" in any way shape or form.

Your analogy implies that for some arbitrary reason, terrorists should not act in the self-same way as the people they oppose. In your analogy the reason they should not act the same way is age. In real life, terrorists clearly come in a variety of ages, so what reason, exactly, is it the terrorists shouldn't "stupe to the level" of the US or Russia or wherever? Because some of them belong to a "violent religion"? Because it doesn't suit you and your interests personally? Because the media and Bush tells you not to?

Going "well what about" or "look at" (what is, in actual fact, 'considering the bigger picture') is a manifestation of *egalitarianism* - and whether found in a 4 year old or a 40 year old, it is a desirable quality, and not one worthy of reproach, let alone the reproach of an ignorant self-important boor such as yourself.

In *actual* fact, most children (while they tend to have an inate belief in equality and fairness, as shown by psychological experimentation) do not understand or subscribe to egalitarianism (they are invariably egocentric) so this is why your analogy shows your juvenile and unconsidered understanding of the situation.

Secondly, calling people "childish" is totally unfounded, considering that is a charge that has singularly been levelled at you. It is pathetic that you think you are making some sort of point, by merely attributing faults that you have been criticised for to other people. It is Freudian projection in its most apparent, and very sad to watch.

Face it, Capone, you are still a prejudiced and irrational fool, and no matter how much you try to dress it up with civility, the real you keeps shining through leaving the spectators of this forum in no doubt of the truth.

And you going to phase 4 (appeasement after getting schooled, whilst trying to maintain dignity and reiterate errors in a supposedly more palatable way) doesn't change the fact that you are two-dimensional and predictable.

[D_Raay]

Why does everyone here ignore the idea that these "terrorists" are "ag'in" us because we support Israel? If you read between the lines it's right there plain as day. All of this other endless rabble about death and misfortune and the absurd notions of them hating us because of our way of life is getting tedious. Is it because we really don't know how to address this problem?

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/19/nuclear.iran.reject.reut/index.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/19/iraq.main/index.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/18/iraq.main/index.html

[Tone Capone]

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3513957

[Schmeltz]

Wow, so Iraq's in a big mess, huh? I wonder who we have to thank for that?

[Tone Capone]

http://scottishresistance.freeservers.com/britishrights.htm

"The following is a quote from Amnesty International: “Six hundred and fifty allegations of rape have so far been made against members of the UK army posted to Kenya for training over a period of more than 30 years, Irene Khan, Secretary General of Amnesty International said today. ‘The fact that so many rape claims over such a long period of time were neither investigated nor prosecuted shows a systemic failure of the UK army and may amount to institutional acquiescence which encouraged a pattern of grave human rights violations by members of the UK army.’[…] ‘The women and children born allegedly as a result of these attacks have been suffering in silence for over thirty years -- stigmatized, discriminated and outcast within their own community. They have suffered a double injustice -- not only were they sexually abused but the crimes against them have never been properly acknowledged let alone thoroughly investigated."

[Schmeltz]

Ethnic Cleansing by Government and Militia Forces in Western Sudan (http://hrw.org/reports/2004/sudan0504/)

[Tone Capone]

http://www.hrw.org/doc?t=mideast&c=iran

[Tone Capone]

http://www.hrw.org/women/

[Tone Capone]

http://www.hrw.org/women/domesticviolence.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.hrw.org/doc?t=mideast&c=isrlpa

[Tone Capone]

http://www.hrw.org/doc?t=mideast&c=saudia

[Tone Capone]

http://www.hrw.org/doc/?t=usa_police

HOW come none of you are talking about police brutality?!?! I know for a FACT that that's something that should be addressed!

[Tone Capone]

http://www.hrw.org/doc/?t=usa_children

[D_Raay]

http://www.hrw.org/doc/?t=usa_police

HOW come none of you are talking about police brutality?!?! I know for a FACT that that's something that should be addressed!
Well for once you are right Capone.

[Ace42]

HOW come none of you are talking about police brutality?!?! I know for a FACT that that's something that should be addressed!

Well, as Bush and the US government refuse to acknowledge the people they have their military fighting against in the "war on terror" as an army (and as such gets to circumvent the geneva conventions, etc) then you must recognise the fact that the establishment considers them "criminals" and as such, the war on terror IS "police brutality."

However, this interesting piece of commentary aside, the reason you don't see us talking about "police brutality" is because you are an illiterate moron who doesn't actually read or understand what anyone else here types. If you had even the slightest clue about what the people here were saying (instead of living in a dream world where you conclusions might actually make sense) you'd've noticed the following:

The issue in question was police brutality because there was a case where the cops beat up a bus driver for yelling at them to stop beating up a little high school girl. In addition to doing their website, I support them in a lot of their other ways.
http://www.coalitionagainstpoliceabuse.org/
http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=362439&postcount=8highlight=police+brutality

Please note that you have responded to that thread (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=26051&highlight=police+brutality), so can't claim you "missed it"

What a fucking 'tard.

[Tone Capone]

Well, as Bush and the US government refuse to acknowledge the people they have their military fighting against in the "war on terror" as an army (and as such gets to circumvent the geneva conventions, etc) then you must recognise the fact that the establishment considers them "criminals" and as such, the war on terror IS "police brutality."

However, this interesting piece of commentary aside, the reason you don't see us talking about "police brutality" is because you are an illiterate moron who doesn't actually read or understand what anyone else here types. If you had even the slightest clue about what the people here were saying (instead of living in a dream world where you conclusions might actually make sense) you'd've noticed the following:


http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=362439&postcount=8highlight=police+brutality

Please note that you have responded to that thread (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=26051&highlight=police+brutality), so can't claim you "missed it"

What a fucking 'tard.


Let me get this straight... a post by GEA (who I have a lot of respect for) mentioned a little something about police brutality and that is your little "bomb shell" you want to drop? You're a joke. How come you don't just kill yourself? I asked this to Bilbo too but he never answered. I am just wondering because it just seems like it would be the right thing to do. Just do it, slit your wrist, take pills, jump off a cliff, shoot yourself... the possibilities are ENDLESS! (y)

[Tone Capone]

http://www.hrw.org/doc?t=asia&c=india

[Tone Capone]

http://www.hrw.org/prisons/

I mean, they are there to be punished but COME ON!!!

[Tone Capone]

http://hrw.org/doc/?t=religion

[Ace42]

Let me get this straight... a poast by GEA (who I have a lot of respect for) mentioned a little something about police brutality and that is your little "bomb shell" you want to drop?

It is enough to prove you wrong. You said "none of you" - not "well, it has actually been mentioned..."

The fact that these individual cases haven't been mentioned specifically does not mean the issues have not been touched on generally. No-one here has posted about every individual case of abuse in Abu Ghraib, or every civillian hit by a bomb, etc etc. And yet you clearly do not believe we aren't against these things.

However, if you want to compile a list of things vaguely related to politics which haven't been mentioned here, feel free to continue (although try using the edit button to prevent cludging up the thread) the fact that it has not been discussed does not mean people do not care about them. But then, I don't expect you to understand this simple logic, as you have failed to follow logic in pretty much any of your posts. I could provide more evidence of the subjects here having been mentioned in other threads to discredit you further, but anyone here can use the "search forum" button as well as I.

You're a joke.

I am smarter than you are and ever will be. Unfortunately, you are too stupid to realise this. You do not know what you are talking about, as is apparent to everyone here. Do you think it is mere coincidence that people eminently more qualified and erudite than you disagree with you? You are not in the minority because the board magically attracts the insane and insipid, it is because congenital defects such as you possess do not occur frequently in countries where incest is outlawed.

How come you don't just kill yourself?

Why would I want to do that? I know more, understand more, have done more and can be more than you can even begin to comprehend. If a deluded halfwit oaf like you can bear to tolerate his collosal inferiority, I am sure I can make do with my lot, which dwarfs every factor you (mistakenly) feel you possess, in every respect.

I am just wondering because it just seems like it would be the right thing to do. Just do it, slit your wrist, take pills, jump off a cliff, shoot yourself... the possibilities are ENDLESS!

If I did that, the world would be a slightly stupider and more tyrannical place. If I died, I would be missed by those close to me and mild casual aquaintances alike. This is because I possess wit, charm, intelligence, honesty, competence, and a host of virtues. If you died, the world would be (on average, clearly) a significantly smarter place, and you would not be missed by me or any right thinking individual on the planet.

If the WTC had been filled by people like you, the US populace would be thanking Osama, not hunting him.

And, for anyone spectating this, please recall that this is exactly the form the "Islam is a violent religion" thread took, illustrating again my point elsewhere that Capone is a predictable retard whose understanding of the world is so twisted and innaccurate that it does not entertain the possibility of him being wrong. You can tell he thinks he is "playing us" and is clearly laughing to himself about us not being able to "get" him. He doesn't get that an idiot spewing idiocy and people saying "what an idiot" doesn't mean they don't understand him, merely that they understand him all too well. Talking to the thalid is pointless, as his stupidity is impervious to fact or logic. Fortunately, he claims to be in the army (making him the third stupid opinionated lamer to claim this, and the only one so far not to have been proven to be a liar and a fraud) which means the chances of him dying before he can spread his cancerous seed to the next generation are quite high.

[ASsman]

Tone will never give in. If he did it would be admitting to his ignorance (wait that only applies to lack of knowledge, he would be considered stupid).

[Loppfessor]

GMA']
PS: My new sig rocks your socks.

You're new sig makes me want to vomit. You're a piece of garbage, harming other young Americans serving their country either voluntarily or non-vol would be a great way to protest a draft wouldn't it. (n)

Anyway Tony you are a link machine...

I will say this, I think a lot of you liberal Bush haters have become consumed by your anti-Bush views to the point that is clouding your judgment and beliefs in all aspects of world issues. Many times you are so far on one end of the spectrum I really think there is a perception that you actually would rather support the terrorists than your own government/military. We're doing the right thing here, though there have been many many mistakes along the way I truly believe that the war on terror is justified, necessary, and in the long run will make the world a better place.

[D_Raay]

You're new sig makes me want to vomit. You're a piece of garbage, harming other young Americans serving their country either voluntarily or non-vol would be a great way to protest a draft wouldn't it. (n)

Anyway Tony you are a link machine...

I will say this, I think a lot of you liberal Bush haters have become consumed by your anti-Bush views to the point that is clouding your judgment and beliefs in all aspects of world issues. Many times you are so far on one end of the spectrum I really think there is a perception that you actually would rather support the terrorists than your own government/military. We're doing the right thing here, though there have been many many mistakes along the way I truly believe that the war on terror is justified, necessary, and in the long run will make the world a better place.
Well, Lopp you have some valid points there bud, but the problem is is that the war on terror is not winnable. And I have no hesitation at all in saying that. What's more, I am quite sure there are many who agree with me. Now achieving something substantial out of this mess would at least be solace to some, but that will NEVER happen with George Bush in office. I've never seen such hatred for a president. Not only has it got liberals tunnel visioned, but it has had a much more detrimental effect on all these "supposed" republicans and Bush supporters. They have gotten to the point where rational conversation and debate are not possible. There is absolutely no reasoning with them about anything. No matter if you prove something or not it goes back to what they fell into in the first place, this notion that if you question this president you are somehow anti-american. Ridiculous. This country is in much worse shape than anyone wants to believe and the only way it will begin to heal is if all this heated division amongst fellow Americans is somehow squashed. AND FOR THE UPTEENTH TIME SINCE I JOINED THIS FORUM THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN WITH GEORGE BUSH IN OFFICE.

[jegtar]

This country is in much worse shape than anyone wants to believe and the only way it will begin to heal is if all this heated division amongst fellow Americans is somehow squashed. AND FOR THE UPTEENTH TIME SINCE I JOINED THIS FORUM THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN WITH GEORGE BUSH IN OFFICE.

I don't understand what this means? Are the Republicans so loyal and forgiving that if Kerry wins there will be no "heated division amongst fellow Americans" and things will be better. Are Democrats militant sore losers that would never get over Bush winning again?
I just think there is alway division among Americans. Hell, some people Didn't like Reagan, JFK or Honest Abe.

[ASsman]

You can't have a war on a noun. It's like having a war on love.

[sneakyimp]

Terrorism is not caused by lunacy, it is compounded by it. Most Americans have no idea that we've toppled the government of Iraq like 4 times in the past 50 years. Anybody ever see Red Dawn? Surely you have Capone. We would consider those high school kids in that movie HEROES. The Soviet occupying forces would consider them TERRORISTS.

Osama Bin Laden himself has claimed that the reason for their holy war is the presence of Western countries in the Arabian peninsula. Ask yourself honestly, Capone. Do we really belong there?

And Ace...it was the UK that got us into this mess in the first place. UK was given the mandate to rule Palestine and Iraq after the fall of the Ottoman empire in WWI. The British quashed a revolt in 1920 with an air campaign and chemical weapons. Oil was discovered near Kirkuk in 1929. British Petroleum was once called "The Anglo-Iranian Oil Company". They promised self government but failed to deliver it until 1932 and then established a monarchy which was over thrown in 1958 by the Baath party--a popular iraqi movement which established a republic under Gen. Abdul Karim Kassem. Kassem was violently overthrown and executed in 1963. Papers from 1963 later declassifed by the British government indicated that the CIA and the British government plotted to overthrow Kassem. The reason? The Iraq Petroleum company, largely owned by the United States.

It was all about oil. This is why they hate us and you never hear about it here. You can call them crazy or criminal or evil or whatever but the fact remains that we have been treating them badly for nearly 100 years and that they are justified in wanting us out of their country. They have no real military so terrorism is their only weapon.

Soviet behavior toward Chechnya is behind the whole school takeover. It is horrible and disgusting and terrifying, but so are tanks rolling through your neighborhood.

These are WARS...not just a series of crimes. Trying to explain that we aren't the agressors here is REALLY difficult.

[ASsman]

Especially with so many people with their heads so far up their asses. I guess they have to experience it first hand, or in my case second hand.

[Ace42]

I will say this, I think a lot of you liberal Bush haters have become consumed by your anti-Bush views to the point that is clouding your judgment and beliefs in all aspects of world issues. Many times you are so far on one end of the spectrum I really think there is a perception that you actually would rather support the terrorists than your own government/military.

I think it is quite wrong to attribute this to Bush. What about the end of Vietnam? People pelted vets with rotten vegetables, etc. I think it is just conviniant for you to legitimise your narrow-minded jingoistic position by accusing the perceived left of the same faults.

"Would rather support the terrorists than your own government" - sorry, why would "you own government / military" be right? Why should there be *any* preference whatsoever, as the mere fact that the government or military is "yours" should in no way be taken into account. If you actually look at the facts in these cases, it is the super-power's army that is inevitably in the wrong for the obvious reason that they have the power and the sphere of influence to commit more and greater atrocities than any independant terrorist cell or group.

It is not a case of "supporting" terrorist:

sup·port Audio pronunciation of "support" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-pôrt, -prt)
tr.v. sup·port·ed, sup·port·ing, sup·ports
# To keep from weakening or failing; strengthen: The letter supported him in his grief.
# To provide for or maintain, by supplying with money or necessities.

Note that there are two definitions which COULD be applicable (and if you are using either of them in this sense, then I am sorry for being pedantic) however both are mildly archaic, and substantially different in context to the accepted use of "supporting terrorists" (as used by Bush to legitimise the war in Iraq, etc, etc) as the connotations are substantially different.

# To be capable of bearing; withstand: “His flaw'd heart... too weak the conflict to support” (Shakespeare).

^^^ This is not how you are using it, as you would not be criticising Americans for being able to "withstand" terrorism (as it goes, they haven't, as the "Al Qaeda Mission Accomplished" post on another thread illustrates)

# To endure; tolerate: “At supper there was such a conflux of company that I could scarcely support the tumult” (Samuel Johnson).

^^^ This is also not how you are using it, as Iraq and Afghanistan were not invaded because the US government believed they "endured" terrorists. The allegations were specifically that these countries were 'maintaining' terrorist organisations.

It *is* however, a case of people refusing to accept that doing the wrong thing is doing the right thing if it is done by your country, rather than a group of masked strangers.

[Echewta]

Anybody ever see Red Dawn? Surely you have Capone. We would consider those high school kids in that movie HEROES. The Soviet occupying forces would consider them TERRORISTS.


Holy crap that is beautiful!

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/20/iraq.beheading/index.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/conditions/09/20/heart.kids.reut/index.html

[Echewta]

Changing a President makes a big difference over many matters.

These stories you keep posting are unique and important and just because people are arguing about Bush and Kerry doesn't mean they don't care about them.

Pretty soon you'll be posting these stories just for yourself. I'm over clicking them.

[sneakyimp]

I think I like sisko better. at least he's amusing.

[adam_f]

I'm quite partial to myself.

[Tone Capone]

Changing a President makes a big difference over many matters.

These stories you keep posting are unique and important and just because people are arguing about Bush and Kerry doesn't mean they don't care about them.

Pretty soon you'll be posting these stories just for yourself. I'm over clicking them.

It's not so much about Bush and Kerry. Hell, I'm voting for Kerry, I am sick and tired of these "philosophical geniuses" basically just going on and on about BS.

Thanks for the input though.

[Tone Capone]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,132881,00.html

[Tone Capone]

"from fox news"

A college football coach who referred to an opposing team as "Mandingos" was forced to apologize after being told the usage was racist and derogatory, according to The Associated Press.

In his weekly press conference, Marshall University coach Bob Pruett called the Ohio State Buckeyes "a bunch of Mandingos." He said he used it in an effort to explain superior physical ability.

"I was trying to be complimentary. I would consider it complimentary if someone called me a [Mandingo] warrior ...," he said. "I didn't mean it to be derogatory to anyone."

But Charles Farrell, director of Rainbow Sports, a division of the Rev. Jesse Jackson's Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, wants Pruett punished.

"The Mandingos [of West Africa] were known as big, strong people, but their size and strength was an asset only for doing the work of slaves," Farrell said. "You went out and said, 'Let's get ourselves a Mandingo because they're big and strong and they can pick cotton all day long or they can chop wood all day long.' Even if you're trying to look for the original Mandingo connotation, it's totally misplaced," Farrell said.

[Tone Capone]

http://www.thesandiegochannel.com/news/3737976/detail.html?subid=22100481&qs=1;bp=t

[ASsman]

Can you be off-topic on your own idiotic thread?

[Tone Capone]

Can you be off-topic on your own idiotic thread?

Why? What makes you say that??? If you don't like the thread, get out of it.

[ASsman]

*ASsman leaves*, and who said anything about having to like something in order to respond to it? In that case you shouldn't respond to 90% of the posts in this Board... Douche...

[Tone Capone]

*ASsman leaves*, and who said anything about having to like something in order to respond to it? In that case you shouldn't respond to 90% of the posts in this Board... Douche...

HAHAHA!!! It's beautiful!

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/20/imam.sentenced.ap/index.html

[EN[i]GMA]

Don't take things so seriously. If you read these forums you would know I wouldn't do something like that. But I'm not one to be told what to do.

[Ace42]

Hell, I'm voting for Kerry, I am sick and tired of these "philosophical geniuses" basically just going on and on about BS.

Thanks for the input though.

It's his style. He makes brash and ignorant posturing

As the topic clearly illustrates.

throws a few cusses

for example: "they usually hear about the acts and go "well what about..." or "yeah but look at.." like a damn 4 year old" and "You're a joke. How come you don't just kill yourself? I asked this to Bilbo too but he never answered."

acts indignant,

"a post by GEA (who I have a lot of respect for) mentioned a little something about police brutality and that is your little "bomb shell" you want to drop?"


gets derided,

"I think I like sisko better. at least he's amusing."

tries to take the moral high ground

"HOW come none of you are talking about police brutality?!?! I know for a FACT that that's something that should be addressed!"

"I see what you are saying, but it DOES seem like a lot of the "people" here are okay with the terrorism,"

and eventually settles for a compromise where he accepts just enough of the other side's point of view to keep his dignity, and thus start the cycle another day.

RE my opening quotation, and the aforementioned "I see what you are saying,"

Mixing up the order doesn't make it any more valid, Capone. It's not like being a DJ and using scratching to make an "original" piece of music...

I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, and goodnight.

This post was brought to you by the letter "thorn" and by the post http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=460498&postcount=36

[EN[i]GMA]

My sig still rules, despite what ignorant haters say.

In case you haven't noticed this thread gets a thumbs down from me because Capone posted 3/4ths of it.

[Ace42]

And Ace...it was the UK that got us into this mess in the first place. UK was given the mandate to rule Palestine and Iraq after the fall of the Ottoman empire in WWI.

As posted elsewhere in this forum (I believe Vladmir linked to a paper he wrote on the subject) the partitioning of Israel was a communal effort of mismanagement through an Anglo-French endevour with strong US backing. And yes, the UK did create a climate of unrest in the middle east RE the partitioning of Iraq. HOWEVER, your point would be substantially more relevant if your brought up the more recent "supergun" scandal, and the whitewash of the Scott report into UK ministers profitting from selling proscribed weapons to Iraq.


The British quashed a revolt in 1920 with an air campaign and chemical weapons.

Again, this is nothing new (pardon the pun) in that Churchill OKing the gassing of the Kurds has been mentioned several times in this forum, by me among others. If you search the forum for "churchill kurds" you'll find two such instances straight away. If you do a further search for http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9804-rogue.html (And article I frequently cite) you might find me quoting directly

"As Secretary of State at the War Office in 1919, Winston Churchill was enthusiastic about the prospects of "using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes"—Kurds and Afghans—and authorized the RAF Middle East command to use chemical weapons "against recalcitrant Arabs as experiment," dismissing objections by the India office as "unreasonable" and deploring the "squeamishness about the use of gas": "we cannot in any circumstances acquiesce in the non-utilisation of any weapons which are available to procure a speedy termination of the disorder which prevails on the frontier," he explained; chemical weapons are merely "the application of Western science to modern warfare."


It was all about oil.

This and the rest is pretty much what I have been saying all along (although very eloquently put, so "propz" for that) so really, I fail to see why you addressed me at all (let alone specifically) in that post.

Is this to do with that curry argument? As I said, I thought the one-upmanship in it was quite unnecessary, especially as (I also said) it was quite nice to have a discussion with someone competent.

Eitherway, please try to refrain from condescending to me, I do not recall (and certainly not intentionally) condescending to you, and it is not like we are in general disagreement.

[Ace42]

And Enigma, I think your sig is quite witty, ignore the wenches.

[Tone Capone]

"The victim gasped loudly as blood poured from his neck. His killer held up the head at one point, and placed it on top of the body"

[Ace42]

"The small child screamed to god for mercy as a fragment of falling masonary staved in her skull. She lived just long enough to see through her agony the sight of her own brains falling out, all the time screaming "why do Americans hate us, mummy?" The missile also failed to kill Sadam."

Anyone can post emotive drivel, Capone. You are not making any point whatsoever.

[Tone Capone]

"Armed insurgents’ increasing attacks on “soft targets” like civilians have created a climate in which many Iraqis are unwilling to speak out for fear of becoming targets themselves. "

[ASsman]

"Wheres the beef?"

[Ace42]

A sworn statement by a soldier with the 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion says that in January 2004, interrogators physically abused the 17-year-old son of an Iraqi general, identified as Hamid Zabar, in order to "break" the general. "The interrogators took his son and got him wet" the May 13 statement says. "They then put mud on his face and drove him around in the back of a Humvee. The boy was very cold. They placed the son in an area where the father could observe him. The general thought he was going to get to see his son but they just allowed him to see the son shivering and this broke the general." The statement was corroborated by another soldier. A Pentagon spokesman, Lt. Col. Joe Yoswa, insisted that "General Fay said everything he found was turned over for investigation," but a lawyer familiar with the probe said, "We strongly suspected this was going to be spiked."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5852870/site/newsweek/

The Iraqi people are as scared of the brutality of US soldiers. You are not making any point whatsoever. Just give up now. You are digging a hole that you will not be able to get out of this time.

[EN[i]GMA]

To quote the eloquent Destroyer, "This thread reeks of retardedness". Go home Capone.

[Tone Capone]

Hey if you pussies want something to be against, why not be against this???!
You want something to be against about so bad, these are some legitimate things you can be against.

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/09/20/sheriff.inmate.labor.ap/index.html

[Ace42]

Hey if you pussies want something to be against, why not be against this???!
You want something to be against about so bad, these are some legitimate things you can be against.

Since when have we let retards like you tell us what is "legitimate" and what is not? Kofi Annan (and thus the UN for which is he the spokesperson) SAID the war in Iraq was illegal - the charter (by definition, International Law) is in agreement, and thus clearly it is something it is "legitimate" to be against, moron. The US have broken international law, and killed more innocent people than most of the links you provided combined. Eat shit and die, asshat. You are a fucking sick freak, where do you get off saying innocent people in Iraq don't deserve our support? You didn't even read what Scmertz said - WE ARE AGAINST THESE THINGS.

Anyone with more than 3 fucking braincells would see that by being against the war in Iraq, we are against other comparable injustices also..

Only a self-righteous jar-head like you could try to legitimise the atrocities going on in Iraq. The only reason you are so supportive of the issue is you prolly rape little kids and beat the shit out of the natives, and don't want to see you brother-perverts caught out.

[D_Raay]

I'm quite partial to myself.
Yes you are most definitely on to something there..

[Tone Capone]

Only a self-righteous jar-head like you could try to legitimise the atrocities going on in Iraq. The only reason you are so supportive of the issue is you prolly rape little kids and beat the shit out of the natives, and don't want to see you brother-perverts caught out.


Well THAT was disgusting. Don't expect me to respond to anymore of your posts. Kill yourself.

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/09/20/colombia.paramilitary.reut/index.html

[ASsman]

You're disgusting.

Late Old French desgouster, to lose one's appetite : des-, dis- + gouster, to eat, taste (from Latin gustre. See geus- in Indo-European Roots).]

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/05/30/iran.barracks.bombing/index.html

[ASsman]

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=32006&page=4

[Tone Capone]

http://www.time.com/time/europe/html/040920/story.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.time.com/time/europe/magazine/article/0,13005,901040913-692853,00.html

[ASsman]

http://www.asdafa3raraerarara.com/asdasfagfag/adfadfafas/adfaeraradfa/afdafadfa

[Tone Capone]

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=EE5D4BE154FED92B85256F1200605BE5

[ASsman]

http://www.amnestyusa.org/news/document.do?id=EE5D4BE154FED92B85256F1200605BE5

[travesty]

*ASsman leaves*, and who said anything about having to like something in order to respond to it? In that case you shouldn't respond to 90% of the posts in this Board... Douche...

After he finishes wanking to thoughts of Princess Leah's titties, he retrieves the R2D2 action figure from his rectum yet grows tired of the Star Wars thread.

After noticing a senseless argument to which he can inject some of his stupidity........

*ASsman Returns* .....dead kitten in hand.

[D_Raay]

After he finishes wanking to thoughts of Princess Leah's titties,
Oh man, I am sorry ASsman but I nearly peed myself over this line. Not that it is true just funny in general. Hey travesty did your avatar whisper that one in your ear?

[Loppfessor]

.
Only a self-righteous jar-head like you could try to legitimise the atrocities going on in Iraq. The only reason you are so supportive of the issue is you prolly rape little kids and beat the shit out of the natives, and don't want to see you brother-perverts caught out.

Wow I was going to reply to your reply to me but good lord you're just an idiot. I mean there's lots of guys on here that I totally disagree with but at least I respect them. You on the other hand are just an ignorant jackass who rambles on and on and usually misses the point entirely of other people's posts.

[Loppfessor]

Well, Lopp you have some valid points there bud, but the problem is is that the war on terror is not winnable. And I have no hesitation at all in saying that. What's more, I am quite sure there are many who agree with me.

I guess that depends on what your definition of winnable is. If you mean in a conventional miltary, capture the flag way then I would be inclined to agree with you. The problem is that this is not a conventional war and will not have a conventional outcome. I mean is the war on drugs really winnable?? No, but does that mean we should give up and just accept drugs into society?

[Grasshopper]

I guess that depends on what your definition of winnable is. If you mean in a conventional miltary, capture the flag way then I would be inclined to agree with you. The problem is that this is not a conventional war and will not have a conventional outcome. I mean is the war on drugs really winnable?? No, but does that mean we should give up and just accept drugs into society?


Wow. This shows the ignorance of neo-con thought.

The War on Poverty (although this was Johnson, you can't really consider him a Democrat in the modern sense. This man was his own creation.)
The War on Drugs
The War on Terror

A War on a noun -- a thing, an object. Let's just think about that.

Also, I didn't notice...but did anyone mention that the Bush Administration came out and state that it will be unlikely that it will be able to win the war on terror??
I remember specifically Cheney stating this. I am pretty positive Bush mentioned it in a press meeting.
It's again the redefining of agendas and tactics day by day by this administration. These fuckers have no backbone. (n)

[sneakyimp]

No, but does that mean we should give up and just accept drugs into society?

YES we should, lopp. What you seem to be missing is that drugs are useful and that certain drugs are APPROVED by the government and certain ones are not. To let the government decide means letting big money decide which means that the drug lords that are cozy with our government win.

you seem to forget, too, that terrorism is the weapon of choice for groups that cannot face the huge establishment's overwhelming superiority of force. The assassination attempt on Hitler's life (which plot supposedly involved the brilliant Rommel) was probably considered 'terrorism' by the nazi regime. This doesn't lessen the fact that it would have been good for EVERYONE had it succeeded.

[Loppfessor]

YES we should, lopp. What you seem to be missing is that drugs are useful and that certain drugs are APPROVED by the government and certain ones are not. To let the government decide means letting big money decide which means that the drug lords that are cozy with our government win.

you seem to forget, too, that terrorism is the weapon of choice for groups that cannot face the huge establishment's overwhelming superiority of force. The assassination attempt on Hitler's life (which plot supposedly involved the brilliant Rommel) was probably considered 'terrorism' by the nazi regime. This doesn't lessen the fact that it would have been good for EVERYONE had it succeeded.

So you'd be okay with say closing all the rehab clinics and just letting heroine addicts kill themselves? Not to get off topic I guess that’s a subject for another thread. Anyway I see the point you are trying to make, but I don't agree. You're speaking of terrorism as a relative term with your example in that it means different things to different people. The problem with that logic is that it leaves the door wide open for all sorts of interpretations. Somewhere someone has to draw a line and say "no, that is not acceptable" and establish a line between right and wrong. That's what the US is doing here; the terrorists/terrorism we're fighting is wrong and is a threat to the safety of Americans. That alone makes it a just cause in my book.

[jegtar]

A sworn statement by a soldier with the 302nd Military Intelligence Battalion says that in January 2004, interrogators physically abused the 17-year-old son of an Iraqi general, identified as Hamid Zabar, in order to "break" the general. "The interrogators took his son and got him wet" the May 13 statement says. "They then put mud on his face and drove him around in the back of a Humvee. The boy was very cold. They placed the son in an area where the father could observe him. The general thought he was going to get to see his son but they just allowed him to see the son shivering and this broke the general." The statement was corroborated by another soldier. A Pentagon spokesman, Lt. Col. Joe Yoswa, insisted that "General Fay said everything he found was turned over for investigation," but a lawyer familiar with the probe said, "We strongly suspected this was going to be spiked."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5852870/site/newsweek/

The Iraqi people are as scared of the brutality of US soldiers. You are not making any point whatsoever. Just give up now. You are digging a hole that you will not be able to get out of this time.

Times sure have changed.....I remember when abuse was sodomizing someone with a bayonet.

[Whois]

Pool - How long before Tone stops blowing himself in this thread?

Three days... :D

[Schmeltz]

it leaves the door wide open for all sorts of interpretations.


And we all know how unAmerican such a shameful thing would be.

[sneakyimp]

So you'd be okay with say closing all the rehab clinics and just letting heroine addicts kill themselves? Not to get off topic I guess that’s a subject for another thread. Anyway I see the point you are trying to make, but I don't agree. You're speaking of terrorism as a relative term with your example in that it means different things to different people. The problem with that logic is that it leaves the door wide open for all sorts of interpretations. Somewhere someone has to draw a line and say "no, that is not acceptable" and establish a line between right and wrong. That's what the US is doing here; the terrorists/terrorism we're fighting is wrong and is a threat to the safety of Americans. That alone makes it a just cause in my book.

You're addressing my argument too simply. For drugs, rehabilitation is better than incarceration. The "War on Drugs" is a very expensive, highly martial, and largely failed effort. In my estimation, marijuana should be decriminalized and taxed! Heroin is a different kettle of fish. Treatment and social stigma are more effective than prison because they make an effort to treat the root cause--desire for drugs. You can get drugs in prison here! You can't tell me that drugs can be stopped by law enforcement.

And it's wrong to allow large corporations to peddle artificially synthesized, mood-altering drugs just because they can afford to lobby the government. I've read articles that say they find prozac in our water supply. NOT COOL.

I think a 'treatment' approach for terrorism is a similarly good idea. Cultural engagement and economic development would probably help the problem more than bombs and bullets. We can say it's wrong and make a sincere effort to convince them that we're not evil or we can shout they are wrong from behind a huge arsenal of weapons and start mowing them down. The former approach sounds infinitely better to me.

[D_Raay]

Yes exactly^
And why should we relegate ourselves to being myopic about these "wars" on drugs and terrorism. I mean we aren't a nation full of idiots are we? Or is it just our politicians who are idiots and we are simply apathetic? Our government is Eddie Haskell and we are the Beaver perhaps?

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/21/iraq.beheading/index.html

[adam_f]

Originally posted by D_Raay
Yes exactly^
And why should we relegate ourselves to being myopic about these "wars" on drugs and terrorism. I mean we aren't a nation full of idiots are we? Or is it just our politicians who are idiots and we are simply apathetic? Our government is Eddie Haskell and we are the Beaver perhaps?

YES! Finally someone else makes a Leave it to Beaver reference. Thank You!

[Ace42]

Well THAT was disgusting. Don't expect me to respond to anymore of your posts. Kill yourself.

Heh, see, he doesn't like it when people stupe to his level. No wonder he is against other groups commiting atrocities on a smaller scale than the US.

Wow I was going to reply to your reply to me but good lord you're just an idiot. I mean there's lots of guys on here that I totally disagree with but at least I respect them. You on the other hand are just an ignorant jackass who rambles on and on and usually misses the point entirely of other people's posts.

Funny, that is the second time you have accused me of missing the point, and the second time you have totally failed to catch mine, or respond in any direct manner whatsoever. Actually that post was totally artificial and designed to illustrate "a taste of his own medicine" and the fact that it got precisely those reponses show exactly why everyone else on this board would be justified in totally ignoring him.

As for you, that is the second time you have called me an idiot (RE: military vehicles thread) and the second time you haven't really made any attempt to substantiate it at all. Personally, I don't care how an imbercile like you views me. Any person (and I use that term generously) who thinks it is "ok" to fire on civillians crowded a burnt-out frame of a vehicle is not someone whose judgement is worth a bean.

As Chris Love pointed out:

The killing of those civillians is wrong. It is not possible to justify it, I cant believe there is even any debate about this.

And yet, something that anyone with even the smallest amount of morality would find self-evident, you had trouble grasping. Didn't your parents tell you about "right and wrong" when you were a child? Or is that tommorow's lesson? Even when your arguments were shot down and proved to be a nonsense, you failed to provide even the smallest amount of corroborative evidence, and instead tried to insult my intelligence. Well congratulations, your presence on the planet, not to mention the audacity that a cuntlick like yourself has to even consider trying to claim intellectual superiority over me, is an insult to my intelligence.

As Tone stated (unwittingly) above, the only way to deal with plebians like you and him, is to ignore them and tell them to kill themselves.

[travesty]

Oh man, I am sorry ASsman but I nearly peed myself over this line. Not that it is true just funny in general. Hey travesty did your avatar whisper that one in your ear?

Straight from his coma! Get well Rodney!

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/21/iraq.beheading/index.html

again

[ASsman]

The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later.
Yah busy with COPONES BULLSHIT! And as for that Leah, that was a hot ass bondage costume she had on. Im only human and will react accordingly.
And as for dead kittens, one dies everytime you type or think, you make me sick.

[Ace42]

Leia

[travesty]

Yah busy with COPONES BULLSHIT! And as for that Leah, that was a hot ass bondage costume she had on. Im only human and will react accordingly.
And as for dead kittens, one dies everytime you type or think, you make me sick.

Fuck the kittens. I'm surprised there are any left at the rate I'm going. And true Leah..er Leia was some kinda hot, Jabba dressed her up RIGHT! :D

[Ace42]

Hell yeah, as she was minging with her hair done up in that ridiculous deathstar shizznit. Very 70s vogue.

[ASsman]

I don't know why I know this, I blame satellite television. But her bra was made of all metal, so when she would move the bra wouldn't exposing much from her position on the ground.

[Tone Capone]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,10841127%255E2703,00.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/22/britain.hostage/index.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/22/mideast/index.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.newsnet5.com/news/3749644/detail.html?subid=22100405&qs=1;bp=t

[ASsman]

Anyways, back to how none of those links help your cause.

[EN[i]GMA]

Why is this thread still going on?

[ASsman]

Because Allah is almighty, and you are right. This THREAD IS BULLSHIT! I will put poone on my ignore list. Since he is like a child, NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,NO I DIDN'T,

[Tone Capone]

Anyways, back to how none of those links help your cause.

It's not really a cause, I just want to give people something real to be against instead of their conspiracy theories.

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/09/22/iraq.main/index.html

[Ace42]

Incidently, one of the numerous links Capone spammed to do with raped Kenyans from a UK army post had a bearing on a news article I just read:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/3710114.stm

So yeah, liberals don't care about these things, that's why they never turn up on the news, or get remedied.

[ASsman]

And the train stops here.

[Ace42]

And of course we can't be against:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3706050.stm

Because that is the US's wrong doing, and thus a conspiracy theory and not worth the time it takes to consider it.

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/03/mideast.gaza/index.html

[drobertson420]

You can't have a war on a noun. It's like having a war on love.

...Or a "War on Drugs" ;)

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/10/04/canada.murders.reut/index.html

[ASsman]

Get a life.

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/10/04/canada.murders.reut/index.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/04/iraq.main/index.html

[EN[i]GMA]

WHY WON'T THIS THREAD DIE!?!?!?!??!?!?!!?

[ASsman]

For the same reason some of siskos threads don't.
And yes I am comparing you with sisko, and justifiably too.

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/10/04/canada.murders.reut/index.html

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/03/19/pakistan.explosion.ap/index.html

[Schmeltz]

Question's already been answered: because the free world is held to a higher standard than less progressive areas.

All that remains is to somehow drive the simple point through your hollow skull.

[Tone Capone]

Question's already been answered: because the free world is held to a higher standard than less progressive areas.

All that remains is to somehow drive the simple point through your hollow skull.

So it's okay then? Psychos can kill people all over the world but, it's alright because we don't hold them to the "higher standard"? Fuck that. :)

[Schmeltz]

I didn't say it was alright or okay for these things to be going on. I didn't say that. Nobody here did. Nobody. No one. How many times do you need it repeated?

Transgressions of liberty in the free world have an ironic and especially regressive quality, plus they're more relevant to the society in which we live. What is so complicated about this for you? Why are you incapable of comprehending simply expressed ideas?

[Tone Capone]

http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/03/19/doha.blast/index.html

[Schmeltz]

Wow, how persuasive and insightful.

[Victor Baron]

I didn't say it was alright or okay for these things to be going on. I didn't say that. Nobody here did. Nobody. No one. How many times do you need it repeated?

Transgressions of liberty in the free world have an ironic and especially regressive quality, plus they're more relevant to the society in which we live. What is so complicated about this for you? Why are you incapable of comprehending simply expressed ideas?


You forgot to mention the double standard.

[Schmeltz]

If South Koreans condemned the punishment of dissident North Koreans with greater vigour than they expressed toward the atrocities in Darfur, would they be guilty of a similar double standard?

It sounds like you forgot to not be a moron.

[Victor Baron]

If South Koreans condemned the punishment of dissident North Koreans with greater vigour than they expressed toward the atrocities in Darfur, would they be guilty of a similar double standard?

It sounds like you forgot to not be a moron.

"Condemn"? Really... what does that accomplish... nothing at all. And why are you calling names just because I don't think as you do? :confused: Not very civilized but, I guess I don't really hold you to a "higher standard" anyway... wait THAT'S how that works! I understand now!

[Victor Baron]

If South Koreans condemned the punishment of dissident North Koreans with greater vigour than they expressed toward the atrocities in Darfur, would they be guilty of a similar double standard?

It sounds like you forgot to not be a moron.

And next time answer the question with an answer... not another question. (y)

[Tone Capone]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/shropshire/4363973.stm

[Tone Capone]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4365547.stm

[Tone Capone]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4361931.stm



"Some 15 protesters gathered outside the Synod House of the Cathedral of St John the Divine, where the prayers took place. One carried a placard calling for Allah's curse to be upon one of the event's organisers.

"She is tarnishing the whole Islamic faith. If this was an Islamic state, this woman would be hanged," one man, Nussrah, told the Associated Press. "

[Funkaloyd]

And next time answer the question with an answer... not another question.

Heard of Socratic method?

[Victor Baron]

Heard of Socratic method?

Wait... I think I got it... hold on....

"Have you ever heard of just answering a question"?

How was that?

[Funkaloyd]

Was "You forgot to mention the double standard" a question?

[Victor Baron]

Was "You forgot to mention the double standard" a question?

Wasn't the statement a question of why the double standard has been brought up?

You're right! With the Socratic method, you really don't have to defend your position at all!!! I'm doing this from now on! Thanks! (y)