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infidel
09-26-2004, 07:00 PM
Asks the question "If what's going on in Iraq was going on in America, what would it be like?"
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If America were Iraq, What would it be Like?

President Bush said Tuesday that the Iraqis are refuting the pessimists and implied that things are improving in that country.

What would America look like if it were in Iraq's current situation? The population of the US is over 11 times that of Iraq, so a lot of statistics would have to be multiplied by that number.

Thus, violence killed 300 Iraqis last week, the equivalent proportionately of 3,300 Americans. What if 3,300 Americans had died in car bombings, grenade and rocket attacks, machine gun spray, and aerial bombardment in the last week? That is a number greater than the deaths on September 11, and if America were Iraq, it would be an ongoing, weekly or monthly toll.

And what if those deaths occurred all over the country, including in the capital of Washington, DC, but mainly above the Mason Dixon line, in Boston, Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, and San Francisco?

What if the grounds of the White House and the government buildings near the Mall were constantly taking mortar fire? What if almost nobody in the State Department at Foggy Bottom, the White House, or the Pentagon dared venture out of their buildings, and considered it dangerous to go over to Crystal City or Alexandria?

What if all the reporters for all the major television and print media were trapped in five-star hotels in Washington, DC and New York, unable to move more than a few blocks safely, and dependent on stringers to know what was happening in Oklahoma City and St. Louis? What if the only time they ventured into the Midwest was if they could be embedded in Army or National Guard units?

There are estimated to be some 25,000 guerrillas in Iraq engaged in concerted acts of violence. What if there were private armies totalling 275,000 men, armed with machine guns, assault rifles (legal again!), rocket-propelled grenades, and mortar launchers, hiding out in dangerous urban areas of cities all over the country? What if they completely controlled Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Salt Lake City, Las Vegas, Denver and Omaha, such that local police and Federal troops could not go into those cities?

What if, during the past year, the Secretary of State (Aqilah Hashemi), the President (Izzedine Salim), and the Attorney General (Muhammad Baqir al-Hakim) had all been assassinated?

What if all the cities in the US were wracked by a crime wave, with thousands of murders, kidnappings, burglaries, and carjackings in every major city every year?

What if the Air Force routinely (I mean daily or weekly) bombed Billings, Montana, Flint, Michigan, Watts in Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Anacostia in Washington, DC, and other urban areas, attempting to target "safe houses" of "criminal gangs", but inevitably killing a lot of children and little old ladies?

What if, from time to time, the US Army besieged Virginia Beach, killing hundreds of armed members of the Christian Soldiers? What if entire platoons of the Christian Soldiers militia holed up in Arlington National Cemetery, and were bombarded by US Air Force warplanes daily, destroying thousands of graves and even pulverizing the Vietnam Memorial over on the Mall? What if the National Council of Churches had to call for a popular march of thousands of believers to converge on the National Cathedral to stop the US Army from demolishing it to get at a rogue band of the Timothy McVeigh Memorial Brigades?

What if there were virtually no commercial air traffic in the country? What if many roads were highly dangerous, especially Interstate 95 from Richmond to Washington, DC, and I-95 and I-91 up to Boston? If you got on I-95 anywhere along that over 500-mile stretch, you would risk being carjacked, kidnapped, or having your car sprayed with machine gun fire.

What if no one had electricity for much more than 10 hours a day, and often less? What if it went off at unpredictable times, causing factories to grind to a halt and air conditioning to fail in the middle of the summer in Houston and Miami? What if the Alaska pipeline were bombed and disabled at least monthly? What if unemployment hovered around 40%?

What if veterans of militia actions at Ruby Ridge and the Oklahoma City bombing were brought in to run the government on the theory that you need a tough guy in these times of crisis?

What if municipal elections were cancelled and cliques close to the new "president" quietly installed in the statehouses as "governors?" What if several of these governors (especially of Montana and Wyoming) were assassinated soon after taking office or resigned when their children were taken hostage by guerrillas?

What if the leader of the European Union maintained that the citizens of the United States are, under these conditions, refuting pessimism and that freedom and democracy are just around the corner?
From http://www.juancole.com/2004_09_01_juancole_archive.html#10958236663839468 8
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SobaViolence
09-26-2004, 09:33 PM
it'd be a feeding frenzy.

the union would crumble.

jegtar
09-27-2004, 09:33 AM
Good story. I don't understand this part though:

And what if those deaths occurred all over the country, including in the capital of Washington, DC, but mainly above the Mason Dixon line, in Boston, Minneapolis, Salt Lake City, and San Francisco?

It it just me or is that a weird line to throw in there? Sounds like the writer thinks the lives of people that live in the south are less valuable than other parts of the nation. That's how I took it anyway.

D_Raay
09-27-2004, 11:38 AM
http://www.ucomics.com/dougmarlette/2004/09/08/

Space
09-27-2004, 11:48 AM
its called staging; yeah what if our president had not been able to move the theater into Iraq and just set back and let that happen here...?

(!)

Funkaloyd
09-27-2004, 04:15 PM
Are you serious? Do you believe that thousands of terrorists and militants could afford to get into the US, or that Sadr's ultimate goal is DC?

adam_f
09-27-2004, 04:18 PM
If America were Iraq, I don't think I'd have the interweb.

Ace42
09-27-2004, 04:19 PM
What with the power being out regularly (like both the initial post and several news sources say) you wouldn't. Nor would you have a house. Or all of your limbs.

adam_f
09-27-2004, 04:26 PM
I think I'd have my limbs. I don't have leprosy.

Echewta
09-27-2004, 04:31 PM
Id rather it be over there, then here right? RIGHT?

adam_f
09-27-2004, 04:34 PM
I think Ace42's avatar should die in Iraq right now.

Echewta
09-27-2004, 04:34 PM
hahaha

Ace42
09-27-2004, 04:46 PM
I think I'd have my limbs. I don't have leprosy.

When US soldiers in Abu Ghraib break your bones and leave them to fester in the heat without access to medical treatments, amputation is quite often vital. Not to mention the numerous people inured by mines, cluster bombs, etc etc. Or you impervious to conventional weaponry, like my Vegeta avatar?

yeahwho
09-27-2004, 04:54 PM
I wish America were France today, so I can go out and eat a great meal, then walk the streets afterwards w/o fear of getting killed.

As an added bonus, Iraq would be your problem.

DroppinScience
09-27-2004, 05:05 PM
Good story. I don't understand this part though:



It it just me or is that a weird line to throw in there? Sounds like the writer thinks the lives of people that live in the south are less valuable than other parts of the nation. That's how I took it anyway.

I think the "Mason Dixon" remark was meant to say most of the fighting would be in the north, as fighting in Iraq is pretty much quiet in the south. Just drawing parallels.

EN[i]GMA
09-27-2004, 09:06 PM
And that people in the south are dumb.

I kid, I kid...

Echewta
09-28-2004, 11:14 AM
I lived in the south for a couple of years and kinda of agree. Its not that they are dumb, they are sheltered and aren't exposed to much. Like gays and good chinese food.

wallstredneck
09-28-2004, 12:08 PM
Who ever wrote that needs to learn some history. Not only was America like that, it was worse during the Civil War (or the "war of northern aggression" for those in the south). The only difference is that dozens of cities including the capital of the south (Richmond, then Atlanta) were burned to the ground leaving people homeless and broke. The U.S. has survived much worse, and that is part of the reason we are so strong.

Another thing, for YEARS after the civil war ended, southern rebels shot, killed, robbed and fought northern occupiers. They lost. But not because pansy ass NYC residents wanted it. They all protested and rioted because they didn't want to fight the south.

Ace42
09-28-2004, 12:14 PM
So you are advocating pulling Iraq back in time over a century, to a time where slavery was in force, and biggotry was widespread, in order to give it a century of trouble and tribulations, so it may one day evolve into the perfect democracy that is the US in the present day? Way to miss the point.

adam_f
09-28-2004, 01:53 PM
Originally posted by Ace42
When US soldiers in Abu Ghraib break your bones and leave them to fester in the heat without access to medical treatments, amputation is quite often vital. Not to mention the numerous people inured by mines, cluster bombs, etc etc. Or you impervious to conventional weaponry, like my Vegeta avatar?

Are you so fucking retarded that you can't take sarcasm?

Ace42
09-28-2004, 01:58 PM
You were being sarcastic? So you are saying what you were implying is that you DO have leprosy? Obviously that sarcasm went way over my head, as I thought leprosy was all but eliminated in Pittsburgh.

Well, if you truly are a leper (and, despite your locale, I find it very easy to believe) I apologise, my bad.

If you are not, you were not being sarcastic, just a prick without a grasp on irony or satire, and thus my comment (which WAS ironic) stands.

adam_f
09-28-2004, 02:03 PM
Originally posted by Ace42
You were being sarcastic? So you are saying what you were implying is that you DO have leprosy? Obviously that sarcasm went way over my head, as I thought leprosy was all but eliminated in Pittsburgh.

Well, if you truly are a leper (and, despite your locale, I find it very easy to believe) I apologise, my bad.

If you are not, you were not being sarcastic, just a prick without a grasp on irony or satire, and thus my comment (which WAS ironic) stands.

Oh, my bad! Next time I'll try to stick to topics I know. Like DragonBall-Z!

Ace42
09-28-2004, 02:11 PM
Please do, as that means I would not have to deal with your irrelevant cussing in this, the political, forum.

Space
09-28-2004, 02:11 PM
Are you serious? Do you believe that thousands of terrorists and militants could afford to get into the US, or that Sadr's ultimate goal is DC?

no neither. i said what i believe, and know that russia should of done the same years ago.

adam_f
09-28-2004, 02:15 PM
Originally posted by Ace42
Please do, as that means I would not have to deal with your irrelevant cussing in this, the political, forum.

'Irrelevant cussing' Huh. And by that you mean that you're offended by swearing?

Ace42
09-28-2004, 02:16 PM
Merely that it was not on topic. If you criticised Vegeta's stand on Iraq, that would be different.

adam_f
09-28-2004, 02:19 PM
First, thanks for editing your damn post.

Anyway, not every post in every forum is on topic. People have been known to drift off topic, and I am one of them.

ASsman
09-28-2004, 04:36 PM
You're a moron, besides that if the US was Iraq I would have a fucking AK47.

adam_f
09-28-2004, 04:41 PM
Did you just call me a moron? Is this the 1960's?

ASsman
09-28-2004, 04:42 PM
What is no.

adam_f
09-28-2004, 04:46 PM
I'd be an jerk right now, but because you said "What is no" you're okay in my book.