Fox New Channel admits reporter posted fake story about Kerry

[DroppinScience]

We knew Fox News were a pile of liars, but here's some evidence of their "fair and balanced" reporting firsthand man. :rolleyes:

I'd love to see how gmsisko would still say they are unbiased. :p

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Fox New Channel admits reporter posted fake story about Kerry

Sun Oct 3, 5:06 PM ET


WASHINGTON (AFP) - An official at Fox News Channel said that one of its political reporters has been disciplined for posting a fake news item on its website about Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites).

Paul Schur, a spokesman for the network, said Fox's chief political correspondent Carl Cameron had been disciplined for posting an item on FoxNews.com that included several made-up quotes attributed to Kerry.

"Carl has been reprimanded," Schur said Sunday, defining further comment.

The article alleged to cover a post-debate rally by Kerry at which the Massachusetts senator was purported to gush over his "metrosexual" appearance.

"Didn't my nails and cuticles look great? What a good debate!" the article by the Cameron read, purportedly quoting Kerry after the event.

"Women should like me! I do manicures," the story also quotes Kerry as telling the crowd.

The article also has the Democratic candidate contrasting himself to US President George W. Bush (news - web sites)

"I'm metrosexual -- he's a cowboy," Cameron quoted Kerry as saying.

Officials for Fox, which has been criticized for being biased towards Bush's Republican party, decline to explain how the spoof article ended up on the network's website.

A statement by Fox on the website Sunday apologized for the article, saying it was a joke.

"Foxnews.com erred ... on Friday, posting an item purporting to contain quotes attributable to Kerry," the statement read.

"The item was based on a reporters partial script that had been written in jest and should not have been posted or broadcast. Foxnews.com also regrets that error, which occurred because of fatigue and bad judgment, not malice."

US media quoted a statement by the Kerry campaign's spokesman, Phil Singer, saying Fox was right to own up to the gaffe.

"Fox is doing the right thing by admitting its mistake and correcting the record," Singer told the New York Times in an article published Sunday.

"George Bush would be well-served to heed the lesson and admit to his own mistakes," Singer said.

[krs5446]

Dan Rather brings out a fake document on national news, and the best you can come up with are some funny one liners on a web site? Lots of people on this web site misqoute Kerry and Bush every day isnt that the same thing?

[stillill]

^ It's not the same thing, people aren't relying on us to get their information about politics. You are supposed to be able to trust journalists, but I think that those days are gone.

And I think I remember a little bit of a fuss being made about that Dan Rather incident; this is the first I've heard of this. The fact that Dan Rather and CBS made a mistake made the story receive more attention than it would have had it been true.

[Spanishbomb808]

"Campaign" Carl Cameron is hillarious.

[ASsman]

If I remember correctly Krs is our new troll.

[infidel]

Rather misreports once in a 40 year career and is branded forever unreliable, Fox does it daily and calls itself Fair and Balanced?????

This should help you understand how truthful Fux is. They went to court six times before they found a judge who ruled it was ok to "lie and distort" rather than be "fair and Balanced."



Florida Court: Broadcasters Have Right to Lie
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March 10, 2003


A Florida appeals court has overturned a jury verdict against FOX Television for attempting to force two reporters to falsify and distort a 1996 report on the effects of bovine growth hormone (BGH). According to a statement from the Organic Consumers Association, the husband-wife investigative team of Jane Akre and Steve Wilson had spent nearly a year battling with station officials at WTVT in Tampa, Florida, over the content of their BGH report. The award-winning reporters were eventually fired “without cause” when they refused to make certain changes that would have clearly distorted the report. They filed suit in 1998 under the Federal Communications Act and the Florida whistle-blower protection law. While Wilson lost his case, a jury awarded Akre $425,000 in 2001 for wrongful termination. The appeals court overturned that verdict on a legal technicality, accepting FOX’s argument (which had previously been rejected six times by three different judges) that the FCC’s news distortion policy was not a “law, rule, or regulation,” and that Akre therefore did not have a proper claim to whistle-blower protection. Akre and Wilson won the 2002 Goldman Environmental Prize for their efforts to bring their story to light. While the court did not dispute the facts of the case, FOX claims it was “totally vindicated” by the verdict.


http://www.utne.com/webwatch/2003_29/news/10392-1.html

[Schmeltz]

Lots of people on this web site misq[uo]te Kerry and Bush every day isnt that the same thing?


What, are you serious? You think that an informal discussion board on the internet is equivalent in import to the website of a major news media outlet? Organizations like Fox have a responsibility to present information in an honest, truthful, and objective manner - that's what journalism is. We are not journalists. There's more than a subtle difference there.

[Paul Nice]

LOL

Oh man this is classic - Fox news posts OBVIOUS JOKES so easy to prove as such that no one in the world would believe them, and you people are trying to pretend this is a more serious offence than CBS news reporting the NG documents as FACT when their own experts had explicitly told them they were most likely forged - i.e. a joke post on a website is a greater violation than ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED NEWSMEN IN THE MEDIA KNOWINGLY LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SLANDER A SITTING PRESIDENT.

Wake up.

[Ace42]

LOL
Oh man this is classic - Fox news posts OBVIOUS JOKES so easy to prove as such that no one in the world would believe them.

Yes, it was all a joke. Ha ha... Hilarious. It was merely a cunning ruse to get Democrats to phone in and complain that something posted AS FACTUAL NEWS CONTENT was infact totally innaccurate, and prove once and for all that they have no sense of humour!

How stupid the democrats are, not to realise that the fox news website is infact now a comedy board for the postmodern stylings of former anchors come comedians.

And the appology of fox that said that it was clearly posted in error (due to gross incompetence) was a red herring! It was just another joke!

Wake up to your own double-standard, moron.

[ASsman]

Yah, somehow your posts exists as nothing. Just like a point only exists because it's existance in time, and longevity.

[DroppinScience]

LOL

Oh man this is classic - Fox news posts OBVIOUS JOKES so easy to prove as such that no one in the world would believe them, and you people are trying to pretend this is a more serious offence than CBS news reporting the NG documents as FACT when their own experts had explicitly told them they were most likely forged - i.e. a joke post on a website is a greater violation than ONE OF THE MOST RESPECTED NEWSMEN IN THE MEDIA KNOWINGLY LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO SLANDER A SITTING PRESIDENT.

Wake up.

Wake up? I oughta smack you upside the head for your uncompromising stupidity! :mad:

So it's ok for FOX News to post a joke article (wait a sec... are they The Onion now?????). What are you smoking you stupid little shit?

As for CBS, they didn't intentionally air forged documents. They only learned this after the fact. If they knew it was fake, they wouldn't have aired it. It's not as if Dan Rather is a flaming liberal with an anti-Bush agenda anyways.

And don't give me shit about "THEY'RE SLANDERING A SITTING PRESIDENT." All you little hypocritical GOP fucks did the same (and far worse) under Clinton's watch anyways. Don't play that "you can't say anything bad about a sitting president." I don't care if the Pope is prez, if he's doing something wrong, we can call him out on that.

Oh and just because the docs may be forged, it doesn't mean he served the Natl. Guard with any form of honor.

[Paul Nice]

Wake up? I oughta smack you upside the head for your uncompromising stupidity! :mad:

Yes that's what you should do. Reminds me of the sort of agressiveness displayed by democrats past - Good ol' Harry Truman, who needlessly annihilated Hiroshima and Nagasaki, killing untold millions, and who needlessly started the Korean War which resulted in 54,246 American soldiers killed, JFK and LBJ, who needlessly started and maintained the Vietnam War, in which 58,000 American soldiers and over 3 million Vietnamese died, and John Kerry, who in that war personally burned Vietnamese civilians from their villages. I would venture to guess that the Democrats have killed ten times as many people in war as the Republicans. Pretty neat.

So it's ok for FOX News to post a joke article (wait a sec... are they The Onion now?????). What are you smoking you stupid little shit?

What are you, thirteen years old? First off, I'm smoking marijuana and cigarettes. Secondly, no it's not OK for FOX to do that - it was amateurish and people should be fired. But to claim that posting something like that - which could and was proven false in no time - was some sort of earnest attempt to decieve the American public FOR THREE SECONDS - please. You cannot compare the two.

As for CBS, they didn't intentionally air forged documents.

Of course they did - they were told beforehand by their own experts that the documents were most likely forged. That means they knew.

They only learned this after the fact.

No - thier experts told them before the fact. Before.

If they knew it was fake, they wouldn't have aired it.

I think since that's what they did, your point is inarguable on this score.

It's not as if Dan Rather is a flaming liberal with an anti-Bush agenda anyways.

Yes, he is. Do you know what we're talking about here? Dan Rather - the news anchor and CBS and the forged documents etc? Read something about it.

And don't give me shit about "THEY'RE SLANDERING A SITTING PRESIDENT."

Yes - slandering literally. That's not the real crime though - the real crime was a journalist - who is supposed to be *snicker* impartial - knowingly presenting forged documents as fact to decieve the public for political reasons.


All you little hypocritical GOP fucks did the same (and far worse) under Clinton's watch anyways.

You seem somewhat... overcome. A little emotionally hyperactive. Caaaaaaaalm doooooowwwn. Yoooure acting craaaaazy.

I'm not a member of the GOP, nor have I voted for any GOP candidate, nor am I planning to.

Don't play that "you can't say anything bad about a sitting president." I don't care if the Pope is prez, if he's doing something wrong, we can call him out on that.

Yes I agree.

Oh and just because the docs may be forged, it doesn't mean he served the Natl. Guard with any form of honor.

Probably not. Frankly I don't care. George Bush dodged the draft, and John Kerry served and committed war crimes while doing so. Choose your poison.

[Ace42]

What are you, thirteen years old? First off, I'm smoking marijuana and cigarettes. Secondly, no it's not OK for FOX to do that - it was amateurish and people should be fired. But to claim that posting something like that - which could and was proven false in no time - was some sort of earnest attempt to decieve the American public FOR THREE SECONDS - please. You cannot compare the two.

What people were implying, and which you seem to have missed, is that it was illustrative of an endemic processes of bias, the amateurity of which means that *all* news they produce is likewise poorly researched. The only reason this got picked up on so quickly was because "it could be proven false in no time" - you think if it was something that "couldn't be proven false at all" it would've got noticed?

Of course they did - they were told beforehand by their own experts that the documents were most likely forged. That means they knew.

IIRC there was some talk (not caring about these documents, I didn't follow it up) about CBS checking with the Whitehouse (due to being incredulous of the papers, as you have pointed out) and some boob there saying (presumably without authorisation or expertise) "yeah, they're the real deal." So, if someone who is (presumably) in the know tells you "Yeah, they're the genuine article" - are you gonna not use them because they seem implausible, or are you gonna make a great story that has (admittedly tenous) Whitehouse approval?

I think since that's what they did, your point is inarguable on this score. His point is inarguable because of what you think? Are you trying to advocate solipsism?

Yes - slandering literally.

No, Libel literally.

Probably not. Frankly I don't care. George Bush dodged the draft, and John Kerry served and committed war crimes while doing so. Choose your poison.

Kerry - his warcrimes were state sanctioned, and supposedly done in American interests. Bush's warcrimes were self-sanctioned (which technically amounts to the same thing, but only through a technicality, not by any ethical authority) and self-serving. Also Kerry's were quantifiably smaller. Also Kerry is smarter than Bush, and is telling me what I want to hear.

Of course, that is only because in this hypothetical, you only gave two shit choices.

[Vladimir]

I would say that what Rather did was the same kind of half-mistake half-lie that Bush made in his case to go to Iraq. In both cases, the information was there, they had been told, but the intent was not necessarily malicious.

[DroppinScience]

Paul,

I let out that outburst because you conservatives give the same old song and dance. Rake CBS over the coals for one mistake (which as Ace pointed out, had some tenuous White House approval) using your own sets of lies, half-truths and exaggerations while pretty much giving a blind eye to FOX for desecrating journalism on a daily basis.

And Dan Rather is not even close to a liberal. Why I remember him being extremely hawk-like during 9/11 & Afghanistan & the John Walker Lindh deal on Larry King. He gave full approval to the Bush administration and to the war effort with very little questioning. I backed the Afghanistan intervention (though they later fucked that up too) myself as well, but Rather ain't a guy to use reporting for his own partisan ends (I don't know whether he's GOP or Dem or not) unlike *some* of your good pals giving "fair and balanced" coverage (Mr. Bill "Oh I Love You Bush" O'Reilly). Face it. He made a mistake but there wasn't malice behind it.

With FOX News, they make many mistakes and they do all they can to cover it up with some more lying (except for this case cause this one was too obvious and too embarrassing to fly over people's heads).

Rather has given 40 years and 1 mistake.

FOX has been around for under a decade and they've probably made up 10 more counts of bullshit in the time it took to type this message.

I can calm down and be rational, but there are some cases where rationality doesn't work with you guys. I gotta speak your language once in awhile.

P.S. - Not that it makes a difference but Vietnam was Eisenhower's baby anyways (I love Eisenhower, but he was dead wrong about the domino theory). LBJ is no Democrat anyways and JFK wouldn't have stayed in Vietnam if he wasn't assassinated. Oh and nice handling of the Republicans in getting America out of Vietnam SO swiftly just as Nixon promised in 1968. Gimme a break.
P.P.S. - If Kerry is a war criminal (which he is not), then every single man who served in Vietnam would be a war criminal. He observed atrocities. He never comitted them.
P.P.P.S - The Korean war was not needless. Unless of course you'd prefer ALL of Korea to be ruled by Kim Jong Il? :rolleyes:
P.P.P.P.S - Hiroshima and Nagasaki was absolutely necessary, no matter how horrible. Unless you wanted to live in fascism today or something, there was no other way.

[Ace42]

P.P.P.P.S - Hiroshima and Nagasaki was absolutely necessary, no matter how horrible. Unless you wanted to live in fascism today or something, there was no other way.

We've had this debate before...

[Schmeltz]

I would say that what Rather did was the same kind of half-mistake half-lie that Bush made in his case to go to Iraq.


Yeah, except Dan Rather's mistake didn't kill twenty thousand people.


Hiroshima and Nagasaki was absolutely necessary, no matter how horrible.


Damn, son. They a lot a readin for y'all to do.

[D_Raay]

I doubt this will create as much of a stir as Rathergate, but apparently Fox News has been caught in the henhouse. Carl Cameron, Fox's chief political correspondent, wrote the following, which was posted on the Fox News website. It has been removed but is being circulated by bloggers who caught it online:

Rallying supporters in Tampa Friday, Kerry played up his performance in Thursday night's debate, in which many observers agreed the Massachusetts senator outperformed the president.

"Didn't my nails and cuticles look great? What a good debate!" Kerry said Friday.

With the foreign-policy debate in the history books, Kerry hopes to keep the pressure on and the sense of traction going.

Aides say he will step up attacks on the president in the next few days, and pivot somewhat to the domestic agenda, with a focus on women and abortion rights.

"It's about the Supreme Court. Women should like me! I do manicures," Kerry said.

Kerry still trails in actual horse-race polls, but aides say his performance was strong enough to rally his base and further appeal to voters ready for a change.

"I'm metrosexual — he's a cowboy," the Democratic candidate said of himself and his opponent.

A "metrosexual" is defined as an urbane male with a strong aesthetic sense who spends a great deal of time and money on his appearance and lifestyle.

Here's the thing. It's entirely a fabrication. Fake. Lies. Garbage.

Oh, they came clean.

Editor's Note

Earlier Friday, FOXNews.com posted an item purporting to contain quotations from Kerry. The item was based on a reporter’s partial script that had been written in jest and should not have been posted or broadcast. We regret the error, which occurred because of fatigue and bad judgment, not malice.

Isolated incident? Sorry, no. In another stupid trick, Fox News reported on a "Communists for Kerry" organization. The organization actually is a right-wing crackpot group, but Fox played it straight ... for awhile, then it removed the following language from its Web site:

"We're trying to get Comrade Kerry elected and get that capitalist enabler George Bush out of office," said 17-year-old Komoselutes Rob of Communists for Kerry.

"Even though he, too, is a capitalist, he supports my socialist values more than President Bush," Rob said, before assuring FOXNews.com that his organization was not a parody group. When asked his thoughts on Washington's policy toward Communist holdout North Korea, Rob said: "The North Koreans are my comrades to a point, and I'm sure they support Comrade Kerry, too."

It is unclear whether the Kerry campaign has welcomed the Communists' endorsement.

But what do you expect? Fox News is the brainchild of longtime Republican media spinmeister Roger Ailes, not a bona fide news organization, and warping the news is deeply rooted in its DNA.

At least John Stewart is funny when he does it.

What do you have to say Sisko? You support this network why? You are really a democrat you say right? This is much more below the belt than what is considered appropriate. I am not buying the "fatigued " bullshit either they are trying to pass on. They reprimanded Carl Cameron and I would like to know exactly what was his punishment.

[ASsman]

They report, we decide. And we decide its a bunch of neo-con propaganda bullshit.

[krs5446]

Look i know fox doesnt show most of the real truths in the war but the fact is that its war and most of that shit that you dont see on fox is sick and twisted and i DONT want to see it! I know that we deserve the truth on the war but i dont need to here death counts every ten minutes i KNOW people are dying and shits fucked up over there but no matter what happens we will kick ass to ensure there will not be anymore terrorists attacks on our soil EVER AGAIN! can John Kerry lead that fight? The answer is NO he will run away and ask for his buddy Jirac's help! are you kidding me! George bush may have told the american people what they needed to hear (we will defeat the terrorist threat!) not (wrong,war,wrong time,wrong place) what the hell does that tell the world? heres an idea you will like, go buy a satellite dish, turn on al-jazeera and then maybe you will find the news you are looking for! W-04

[SobaViolence]

if you support war, you should
a)fight it your damned self
b) have to swallow all its glory, including hourly casualty reports and listening to the phone calls to soldiers loved ones.

also watch as iraqis are carted through hospitals, watch bombs blow people apart and bullets ripping civilian flesh.

if you can't handle it, shut the fuck up about waging war and stick to video games.

[krs5446]

War does not scare me. My father and Grandfather have both fought so that you and i dont have to. and i would in a second if you needed me! But they dont, we have the best military in the world, do you really think they need me or YOU? and i watch the gory stuff every day, i love watching our badass technology whip ass on the enemy its just not for everyone.

[D_Raay]

can John Kerry lead that fight? The answer is NO he will run away and ask for his buddy Jirac's help! are you kidding me! George bush may have told the american people what they needed to hear (we will defeat the terrorist threat!) not (wrong,war,wrong time,wrong place) what the hell does that tell the world?
If you actually believe this statement you are a complete retard. You are the type that Karl Rove could have as his personal ass wiper (literally) because you believe any crap that comes out of him. As if it was even remotely close to reality that Kerry, A DECORATED WAR VETERAN WITH ACTUAL KILLS IN A WAR, would run and hide. Don't post here if you have nothing intelligent to say it insults all of us. 'Cept Sisko of course who would probably reply TRUE THAT!

[deita]

My father and Grandfather have both fought so that you and i dont have to.

i love watching our badass technology whip ass on the enemy its just not for everyone.

evidently it was a wasted effort, since we are yet again involved in another war....very poor argument for warring and general mayhem

you must not be watching the same war coverage i am :confused:

[Ace42]

He is, except when he watches it, he mentally rewrites what he is hearing so that the US's "baddass technology" isn't tearing through their allies (check other thread)

Fucking fool.

[krs5446]

Wasted effort? if i recall correctly we won WW2 and Korea. I dont know what you are talking about the world is much better off after these victories.Not to mention they did not come back and slander their fellow soldiers and their country, oh yea all of their medals are accounted for, not at the bottom of the ocean. you should be ashamed of JOHN KERRY!

[ASsman]

Who said anything about Korea. Shutup child, please ask your mother before using the Internet next time.

[krs5446]

funny assman.(ask my mom). but deita said the wars my parents were in were "wasted efforts" that would be korea and WW2. even though we might have to go back to korea now. Jeezus will this crap ever end?

[Ace42]

What does that tell you about war, young Padawan?

[krs5446]

I agree.

[DroppinScience]

funny assman.(ask my mom). but deita said the wars my parents were in were "wasted efforts" that would be korea and WW2. even though we might have to go back to korea now. Jeezus will this crap ever end?

Who said anything about WW2? :confused:

[krs5446]

I brought us off the point, sorry!

[ASsman]

Hell even in those wars, atleast WW2. The US is all like meh, fuck em. And then we get attacked and were all like, o SHIT they are killing all those innocent people over there.

We wanted to be the world police, but only of places where we could profit. e.g Latin America.

[deita]

My father and Grandfather have both fought so that you and i dont have to.
Obviously you are missing the point! You are saying they fought so you and I don't have to. The way I see it if we are still fighting wars, and we are, it is a wasted effort. We are still sending our men and women to die in battle. It accomplished absolutely nothing. We are still fighting wars!
So the present soldiers fighting in this war can tell their children in years to come "we fought in the war so you don't have to". All while these future children are being shipped off to a new war. and so it goes. on and on and on.......
that is my point
is it really necessary to spell it out for you :rolleyes:

[krs5446]

being drafted and volunteering are very different. when was the last draft? and when is the next? like i said you dont HAVE to but maybe YOU should:)

[D_Raay]

being drafted and volunteering are very different. when was the last draft? and when is the next? like i said you dont HAVE to but maybe YOU should:)
No offense but it's guys like you (or girls) that need to step back and do a little research before you make your choice for president. Don't just believe everything you are told actually research it a bit. You know like look for the other side's explanation. I used to be a sheeple too, but now I am much more hesitant to just accept everything I'm told. The thing about this campaign is the Democrats are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much more competent to run this country right now and handle the war, especially when you look at the two candidates. There is no comparison, Kerry equals competence, Bush equals incompetence. This should be the fundamental deciding factor in this race and it was illustrated in the first debate.