Worcester-beastie's awesome, mass fans suck

[dogenstyle]

Unfortunately I was unable to post after the show as I had no access to the net until today. Just a couple of comments on my part and hopefully some feedback from others who have seen the boys elsewhere. First off, the beastie's put on an amazing show on the 12th. I saw them in 94' after ill comunication came out in Indianapolis, IN and it was an incredible show. 20,000 people all jumping up and down in unision-pure, positive energy that I have not experienced since. I saw them in worcester and the performance was even tighter and I did not think it was possible. But the boston/worcester crowd just flat out sucked. Lamest crowd I have ever seen. I'm a transplant to the boston area from 5 years back and have seen numerous shows since moving here and the crowd participation sucks. It is a definite constant. I have seen shows for numerous bands in Indiana, Ohio, Wisconsin, South Carolina, and Massachusetts and Massachusetts is the worst place to see a show. Basically, I just wanted to know if people who have seen this specific tour in other cities felt the same way and have not posted. I have seen one or two comments in other threads about it, but no thread dedicated to this particular topic. It was insane to me that you could see them trying to get the energy levels up and it just would not budge. People would begin jumping for 30 secs of every song and then stop because everyone else just stayed planted and just raised their hands. It was like an AC/DC concert!! I was actually embarrassed. My recommendation to anybody who wants to see the beastie's--SEE THEM IN ANOTHER CITY/STATE THAN MASSACHUSETTS. I want to give thanks for them putting on such an amazing show and apologize for the lameness of the crowd. If anyone who has seen them somewhere else felt they had the same experience, I would like to hear what you have to say. Long live the Beastie's!!!

[nakasa9]

I totally agree!! Mass fans sukass!! IS it even apropriate to give them such a distinguished title? I moved up here from the south and I could not believe the way the fans were towards the Beasties. I mean they were chanting everything from "Yankee's Suk" to throwing cups of ice and hats all over the stage. No crowd participation at all either. I was stunned. And on top of all this, there was NO ONE at the show.
Attention Beasties, I apollogise for the fans in this state. Look forward to seeing ya'll down in New Oeleans this weekend for VooDoo Fest and I promise you a very warm welcome from ALL of us Cajuns!!

Peace out

[Micodin]

I agree. The past week I saw them in DC, NYC, Philly, and Worcester. And the Worcester show was the least fun for me and I'm from the New England area. I'm glad the next 2 shows I'm going to (Montreal, Long Island) are far from this area.

Why were the drunken frat douche bags yelling "Yankees Suck"? Because maybe they knew ahead of time that there asses was gonna get handed to them in the playoffs. Losers. You gotta love morons yelling sports shit at a hip hop show. I'm surprised that they wasnt chanting automobile shit too.

"Chevy Sucks"
"Ford Sucks"

Jeeze....

[slownlow]

ditto.....worst east coast crowd so far....unfortunately.

although, i myself was a little dragging from the previous shows, but im sure i was in a very small percent. Also, it seemed like the lights were on for half the show....at least the last half it seemed.

at least the show was off the hook! great Job fellas (y)

[dogenstyle]

Ok--So I am sane! I'm jealous of you bastards going to NO and to monreal/new york. I might try to see if NY is an option, but I doubt it. Montreal would be off the hook. Great, great city. I would die to see them up there. I will give it to the beastie's for putting on such an awesome show. They were so sharp and the rhyming with mixed up beats was unreal. I'm sure they just wanted to leave though. It's unfortunate that such a beautiful city with an amazing coastline has to have such bad fans. The "I'm from boston, I'm tough" thing and walking with the shoulders turned forward so the shoulders look broad and muscular and bumping(actually plowing through)into people is just so pathetic. Have you even paid attention to one lyric since CYH came out? If you haven't heard the peace and love they have been preachin', then you don't get the music in my opinion. It's a crying shame that paul revere and brass monkey get the loudest crowd reaction. Nothin' but frat boy bullshit. Not knocking those songs, but the depth, growth, and change of the music since then has only been matched by the Beatles in my opinion. I'm sure some beantowner will eventually call my comments negative and tell me to get off the board. And it's true, they are negative towards the fans only(not all of you, some of you had it going on). But if that is the only beastie's show you have seen, get to another one somewhere else so you really know what a beastie's show is about. The love of the boys will only grow from there......

[illphilradio]

As someone from Boston I will say there is a time and place for sports chants. A hip hop show where both acts are from NY, is not a place to yell Yankees suck. But I hope this doesn't stop the beasties from comming back to MA. It was great to see them. Maybe if they didn't play so close to the playoffs and stuff. But not everyone from MA is bad

[Scott114]

The Mass fans are annoying, but not nearly as annoying as people who come to a message board and start a thread when there are already other threads about the same thing on the 1st page.

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=34804

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=34847

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=34738

Here's a quick lesson for you. (http://www.trials-shack.co.uk/posting.html)

[Micodin]

Maybe if they didn't play so close to the playoffs and stuff.


I'm sure they take that in consideration the next time they plan a tour. ;)

[Monsieur Decuts]

honestly though..generalizations suck.

[Micodin]

honestly though..generalizations suck.




Watching a young girl getting crushed by drunken frat boys and crying because she couldnt breathe sucked too.

[mpaquin]

Let me first agree with you, the Beasties put on a fantastic show in Worcester that impressed a veteran Beasties fan like myself. MMM is amazes me every time I watch him perform and the Boys sounded tight and obviously had fun with the show.

Stating the audience "sucked" I have to disagree with. As a transplant to Boston I can't fault you for not understanding the "Yankees suck" chant, that's just simply part of Boston culture that can't be denied or sometimes understood by outsiders. We're passionate about the Sox. I admit it's unlike the fans of any other city I've ever been to and probably a bit weird but that's Boston.

I guess it's really a matter of perspective. If that night was a hard rock show then I'd agree the audience wasn't participating. However, this wasn't hard rock, it was the Beasties. What I saw was a stadium full of fans dancing, singing along, and enjoying a fantastic night of music.

Why is it bad that I wanted to dance like the uncoordinated white boy that I am instead of jumping up and down non-stop until I'm out of breath? Why is it wrong to not get a pit going in favor of sticking a fist into the air and screaming the lyrics along with the Boys?

I thought the night was perfect for the music. I'll get in the pit without any problem, I dig that, but the Beasties are about having fun and as corny as it might sound, "fun" at a Beasties show I think is measured by a smile on every face and not how much sweat is generated in the pit.

Live here for a few years, attend a bunch of shows, and then I might listen to what you have to say. Some of the roughest and loudest audience shows I've ever been to have been here in the Boston area. I'm glad you enjoyed the music. Sorry you didn't have fun, but understand you were one of the very, very few who didn't.

[Monsieur Decuts]

I agree that there is no place for violence at a concert...that being said..it was only a couple people

and didn't Talib give a few little jabs at the Red Sox when he was freestylin?

All in good fun peeps...except for the violence and the ice throwin...that was dumb

[dogenstyle]

Let me first state that I had a great time. Seeing the beastie's anytime is going to be a blast. Second, I didn't mind the yankees suck thing. I have been up here for 5 years and understand the rivalry and thought it was humorous. who doesn't want to see the yankees and their unending amount of cash flow for players get beat? That's not my qualm.

My point was basically this: the dancing was lame, the jumping was lame etc. When I go to the beastie boys, I don't want a rough show. I'll save that for godsmack and the ozzfest to take care of. If you haven't been to a beastie's show where 20,000 fans jump up and down in unison yelling every word(or dancing, or doing whatever besides being a hardass), then you haven't see an beastie's show in my opinion. I would never suggest that fans from boston can't get rough and loud. If there is one place where I think that is a given, it is here. All I am saying is that if you asked people who managed to see them in any other large venue, I guarantee they would say the vibe was much more positive, much more interactive, and more lively. That's all. I was disappointed in the reaction and it was an all too typical reaction from this area of the country. If there was one place that I thought the prevailing attitude of boston would leave, it would be this show.

[Scott114]

So, you paid more attention to the fans around you than the Beastie Boys? Because me? I didn't even notice, I was too busy getting lost in the music. And the music was phenominal.

[dogenstyle]

So, you paid more attention to the fans around you than the Beastie Boys? Because me? I didn't even notice, I was too busy getting lost in the music. And the music was phenominal.

The attitude and mood of the crowd does affect the overall show and hence affect my subjective experience of the show. I lost myself in the music as well. I jumped and danced and lost myself in the music for the 90 minutes the were on the stage. This is all I am simply saying and this alone: a beastie boy concert can be a much more interactive and positive and go to an entire different level/dimension of love and positivity in the mood of the concert. That's it. We'll take another example. I have seen 311 in myrtle beach, SC and the show was incredible. People jumping and loving the show and it was amazing. I have seen the up here and the show was just dead. In both cases, the performances have been great, but the fans did not respond. I think I can get an Amen from others who have seen them elsewhere. I have made my point. The boys themselves were just unbelievable. I guess the question would be have you ever seen them outside of mass?

[mpaquin]

I honestly can't believe I've spent as much time as I have thinking about this, I have so much else I should be doing!

I appreciate your reponse, Dogenstyle. No, I haven't seen the Beasties in any city other than Boston/Worcester so I'll trust you in that the audience in Worcester didn't send as good a vibe as audiences in some other cities. Some cities are hip-hop, some are rock, some are country, but fans of all types live everywhere so the vibe is inherently going to be different no matter what.

I think my issue is the statement that Boston fans suck because we didn't show the same type of reaction as another city. Boston fans are 100% equivalent to fans anywhere else in the country when you consider what being a "fan" is: a person who supports the artist. My $45 is just as good as the $45 spent by a guy anywhere else in the country. On a concert tour you measure where you should go based on ticket sales which is directly representative of how passionate the fans.

So to say that I suck as a fan and I shouldn't get to see the Beasties again in my home state because you think we didn't love the Beasties as much as the folks in Ohio did is just bogus and insulting. If I got an inferior show in Worcester because the audience "wasn't into it" then I want my money back. Even if I was the only person who bought a ticket to Worcester I'd expect the Beasties to put on just as good a show as a 45,000+ person jump around love-fest because they're paid to perform.

Fans in other cities probably did give a better or different vibe than Worcester. Just don't insult us because we enjoyed the show differently or suggest the Beasties don't come back, that's just not fair.

[dogenstyle]

I honestly can't believe I've spent as much time as I have thinking about this, I have so much else I should be doing!

Point well taken. I agree with everything you said. That generalization was bullshit on my part. It was more venting than anything else when I think of it in retrospect. That was uncalled for. I would also like to point out that it was not me that said that about the bboys not coming back here. I hope they do. I would see them again. I would just make sure that I also got tickets to see them at the garden as well.

[paulb]

So... Overall:

Boston/Worcester fans suck
and
Boston Red Socks suck!!!! Go NYY!!!

[mpaquin]

Yeah, Paulb. You hit the nail right on the head. Thanks for your valuable and insightful contribution!

Dogen, you're cool in my book. Thanks!

[mrgriffith]

yankee fans and new york boys i take it.

it was worcester not the garden in boston, come now...

show was off the hook, i mean i was lost for the whole first half...

the b-boys still kick it out hard, always do, always will.

just go with the flow, all good.

if the bad vibe was on you, then you should rethink yourself, listen up and see the light, there is a better place to be if you don't want to be thurr.

better hit up RI next time or the big city of beantown, worcester is so lame, but venue is working.

[Micodin]

there is a better place to be if you don't want to be thurr.


You gotta be kidding...

[sull77]

:p I agree w/many of the responses to this ad (Yankees chant is ridiculous ANYWHERE unless the Yankees are actually within earshot). I totally DISAGREE w/the person who posted this. I think it sucks for you that you didn't like the show! I was 15 rows from center stage and thought it was mint. It was not as crazy as the last time they played the Centrum (10 yrs ago? Back then tons of moshing and crowd surfing), but I thought the crowd was still diggin it. I was jumping all over the place and couldn't believe the energy the beasties have to be jammin for as long as they did! I couldn’t move towards the end of the show. Ever think that, maybe nobody is in "beastie shape" to be jumpin all show? One other note (and this is scary for me) that lots of the crowd might not have even been BORN when License To Ill came out?! I say this cuz there were lots of youngsters there and when me and my friend were jammin to EVERY lyric of Paul Revere people were just standing around! For a diehard, life long fan like me, I think THAT is sucks! I did look around occasionally to soak up the crowd and it looked like most people were very into it all night though. I was nervous when I got in and saw LOTS of empty seats. There was also a girl trying to GIVE away tickets when I was walking in the show and everyone just walked on by! That’s not easy to witness. Anyway, I think my opinions are all over the place, but to summarize the show kicked ass and the ONLY place to see the beasties live is on the floor as close as possible to the action. This is the second time I stormed past a security guard to get on. Who needs a wrist band?! SO SWEET!

[bostonlou]

my thoughts
i had an AWESOME time (that was in my best frank the tank imitation)

yankees suck is never an appropriate chant... it's fucking stupid... I'm a Sox fan and I never chant this shit... even at fenway... 26 championships is not sucking... sure I hate the Yankees but I have enough of a brain to not resort to that crap


if you people had such an awful time then don't come back next time the boys are in mass... it will just mean a better view for me

why does your enjoyment of the show depend on everyone else in the place??

[NikkiB]

Ok, so a lot of what I have to say in response to this thread has already been said.

But, to the guy who started this - The real issue here is with yourself, not with everyone else. Why is it that what everyone else is doing decides whether or not you're having a good time? Why is it that you think that you're above everyone else from Mass, and that all other cities that the tours been through are cooler? I can guarantee you this. If you focused 100%, or even 85% of your energy on the beasties themselves rather than the "uncool fans" that you say we were that night, you would have had a completely different experience. I will tell you that I did not have one negative thought or hear one negative comment about the show until I came on this board. You, along with some others, seem to think that jumping up and down is the newest dance craze and deciphers coolness?? News for ya - that, along with moshing and crowd surfing, went out in the 90's. And if you hadn't noticed, most of the beasties fans are late 20's - 30's. We're a little grown up now!

It's all about peace and havin a good time - just like what the beasties newer music represents. I believe you did comment on how everyone was all about the old stuff. Buddy, the old stuff is classic.

Some advice, and you can do with you what you will.. next time, try making your own fun. Try worrying about yourself and not what everyone else is doing around you. Pessimism will get you nowhere but down.

[wavin_goodbye]

to the person right above me.

did you even read what the guy wrote? or are just trying to defend your city?

[NikkiB]

Um, yes, I've read everything he's posted in this thread.

[KevG]

"But the boston/worcester crowd just flat out sucked. Lamest crowd I have ever seen. I'm a transplant to the boston area from 5 years back and have seen numerous shows since moving here and the crowd participation sucks."

The BBoys have done this for the last 12 years, they do their Massachusetts show in Worcester which is about 50 miles outside of Boston in the middle of nowhere. If they want a LIVEr crowd, they should bring there show to BOSTON where people don't have to drive 50 miles all drunk and high. I was up front on the floor tuesday night and the crowd seemed perfectly fine to me, but looking in the stands I could see for the first time EVER, the BBoys didn't sell out a show around here. There were tons of empty seats.

"I mean they were chanting everything from "Yankee's Suk" to throwing cups of ice and hats all over the stage. No crowd participation at all either."

Being a huge Red Sox fan, I still don't understand the concept of Sox fans chanting "Yankees Suck". It would be OK say if we beat them in this series, then win the World Series. Then I'd be OK with it. But then again it is a cultural chant here in Boston.

As far as people throwing shit on stage, that happens everywhere. I did like when somone threw a SOX hat on stage and Mike D looked at the dude and nodded like "whatever".. lol

"You gotta love morons yelling sports shit at a hip hop show."

Massachusetts fans are more dedicated than anyone. I was down in Florida and the crowd started chanting 'Yankees Suck" and it was at a Marlins/Diamondbacks game.

"I'm surprised that they wasnt chanting automobile shit too."

This makes no sense.

"I'm sure some beantowner will eventually call my comments negative and tell me to get off the board. "

Not at all, I agree for the most part...

"didn't Talib give a few little jabs at the Red Sox when he was freestylin?"

He actually bigged up the SOX.. but he did the same thing for the Yankees 3 nights before.

"I was too busy getting lost in the music. And the music was phenominal."

THAT'S what I'm talking about..

"better hit up RI next time or the big city of beantown, worcester is so lame"

Yup! Minus the RI part..

"It was not as crazy as the last time they played the Centrum (10 yrs ago? Back then tons of moshing and crowd surfing.."

6 years ago, the show was 10 times better than this one (and that is saying alot conisdering this one was insane). 10 years ago the show was equally good.

"jumping up and down... that, along with moshing and crowd surfing, went out in the 90's."

That's insane. I go to a show to have a good time, if the Beasties start a track and I want to pogo, I'll pogo. If they play "Time for Livin'", nothing wrong with getting in a circle pit jus try not to hurt anyone (swinging the arms hard and kicking like you're being arrested is stupid I'll say). But who wants to grow up? Yes indeed it's fun time...

"And if you hadn't noticed, most of the beasties fans are late 20's - 30's. We're a little grown up now! "

Come one.. We're in our 30's at a hip hop show watching a bunch of late 40 year old white men rappin'.. Growing up shmowing up... I don't wanna grow up...

"just like what the beasties newer music represents."

They couldn't have picked a better 5 songs to rep TT5B.. The choices were magic and I can't stop playing "We Got THe" in the car...

[NathanWind]

I was at that show me and my friends (my friend went crowd surfing) but the fans do suck I must agree, I was goin insane the whole time, I mean, its the BEASTIE BOYS! I too was wicked pissed when they chanted Yankees suck, that was incredibly gay. But it was an amazing show. Just seeing them perform live made my life. I think the show should be in Boston like KevG said


from KevG:

"I'm surprised that they wasnt chanting automobile shit too."

This makes no sense.

^haha

[Hal9000]

The fact that the crowd sucked probably had something to do with the fact that they booked a midweek show at a venue in the sticks. Had they played in the actual city I would've been there in a heartbeat, and I bet thousands of other college aged fans would've been too, considering the fact that the city is overflowing with college students who don't have access to cars/don't know about the commuter rail. Bottom line: having a Tuesday night show in Worcester makes no sense whatsoever, especially the Worcester part, Worcester is pathetic and they would've had a much bigger draw and much better vibe had they played in the city.

[Atlanta]

Watching a young girl getting crushed by drunken frat boys and crying because she couldnt breathe sucked too.

Well, I guess she learned a lesson. Stay the hell out of the pit at a Bboys show. No place for most women. Or, she could have come to the Georgia show a few nights ago and laid a picnic blanket out in the pit and been able to sit and enjoy the show with no problems.

[Atlanta]

I saw them in worcester and the performance was even tighter and I did not think it was possible. But the boston/worcester crowd just flat out sucked. Lamest crowd I have ever seen.

First off, according to a lot of people on here the crowd does not have anything to do with the quality of a show. I for one call BS on that and am glad to see your comments. We had the same problem at the Georgia show. I knew I should have asked for a refund when I saw the sign posted on the doors "NO BODY SURFING". Lovely. I know, I know, the bboys have nothing to do with that and that is the venue's fault. Well, find another venue then.

Or, learn as I did ($50 lesson) that the bboys crowd in Georgia (and possibly others cities) is a kinder more gentler crowd. No body surfing or get your ass thrown out, rat out other members of the audience to security who try to jump up and down, and most importantly, foster the believe that if you get up front no one else should touch you.

Now, I would blame Georgia in general if I had not just been at a Cypress Hill show in Atlanta a few months ago (Centenial Olympic Park) where not only was the crowd into the show, but b-real actually crowd surfed at the end of the show. God forbid this dangerous behavior. No telling how many people he might have been hurt.