Why we are at war

[edb1821]

A little dramatic, but it may help some of the bleeding hearts understand better...

(From SSgt 18 MUNS/MXWPD) ---The other day, my nine
year old son wanted to know why we were at war. My husband looked at our son and then looked at me. My husband and I were in the Army during the
Gulf War and we would be honored to serve and defend our country again
today. I knew that my husband would give him a good explanation.
My husband thought for a few minutes and then told my son to go stand
in our front living room window. He told him: "Son, stand there and
tell me what you see?"

"I see trees and cars and our neighbors' houses." he replied.

"OK, now I want you to pretend that our house and our yard is the
UnitedStates of America and you are President Bush."

Our son giggled and said "OK."

Now son, I want you to look out the window and pretend that every
house and yard on this block is a different country" my husband said.

"OK Dad, I'm pretending."

"Now I want you to stand there and look out the window and see that man
come out of his house with his wife and he has her by the hair and is
hitting her. You see her bleeding and crying. He hits her in the face,
he throws her on the ground, and then he starts to kick her to death.
Their children run out and are afraid to stop him, they are crying,
they are watching this but do nothing because they are kids and afraid
of their father You see all of this son.... what do you do?"

"Dad?"

"What do you do son?"

"I call the police, Dad."

"OK. Pretend that the police are the United Nations and they take your
call, listen to what you know and saw but they refuse to help. What do
you do then son?"

"Dad, but the police are supposed to help!" My son starts to whine.

"They don't want to son, because they say that it is not their place or
your place to get involved and that you should stay out of it," my
husbandsays.

"But Dad...he killed her!!" my son exclaims.

"I know he did...but the police tell you to stay out of it. Now I want
youto look out that window and pretend you see our neighbor who you're
pretending is Saddam turn around and do the same thing to his
children."

"Daddy...he kills them?"

"Yes son, he does. What do you do?"

"Well, if the police don't want to help, I will go and ask my next door
neighbor to help me stop him." our son says.

"Son, our next door neighbor sees what is happening and refuses to
get involved as well. He refuses to open the door and help you stop
him," my husband says.

"But Dad, I NEED help!!! I can't stop him by myself!!"

"WHAT DO YOU DO SON?"

Our son starts to cry.

"OK, no one wants to help you, the man across the street saw you ask

for help and saw that no one would help you stop him. He stands taller
and puffs out his chest. Guess what he does next son?"

"What Daddy?"

"He walks across the street to the old ladies house and breaks down her
door and drags her out, steals all her stuff and sets her house on fire
and
then..he kills her. He turns around and sees you standing in the window
and
laughs at you. WHAT DO YOU DO?"

"Daddy..."

"WHAT DO YOU DO?"

Our son is crying and he looks down and he whispers, "I close the
blinds, Daddy."

"My husband looks at our son with tears in his eyes and asks
him..."Why?"

"Because Daddy.....the police are supposed to help...people who needs
it....and they won't help....You always say that neighbors are supposed
to

HELP neighbors, but they won't help either...they won't help me stop
him...I'm afraid....I can't do it by myself ..Daddy.....I can't look
out my window and just watch him do all these terrible things
and...and.....do nothing...so....I'm just going to close the blinds....so I can't see what he's doing........and I'm going to pretend that it is not
happening."

I start to cry.

My husband looks at our nine year old son standing in the window,
looking pitiful and ashamed at his answers to my husbands questions and
he tells him..."Son"

"Yes, Daddy."

"Open the blinds because that man.... he's at your front door..."WHAT
DO YOU DO?

My son looks at his father, anger and defiance in his eyes. He balls up
his
tiny fists and looks his father square in the eyes, without hesitation
hesays: "I DEFEND MY FAMILY DAD!! I'M NOT GONNA LET HIM HURT MOMMY OR MY
SISTER, DAD!!! I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM, DAD, I'M GONNA FIGHT HIM!!!!!"

I see a tear roll down my husband's cheek and he grabs my son to his
chestand hugs him tight, and cries..."It's too late to fight him, he's too
strong and he's already at YOUR front door son.....you should have
stopped him BEFORE he killed his wife. You have to do what's right, even if you have to do it alone, before......it's too late." my husband whispers.

THAT scenario I just gave you is WHY we are at war with Iraq. When good
men stand by and let evil happen is the greatest EVIL of all. Our
President is doing what is right. We, as a free nation, must understand that this war is a war of humanity. WE must remove evil men from power so that we can continue to live in a free world where we are not afraid to look out
our window. So that my nine year old son won't grow up in a world where
he feels that if he just "closes" that blinds the atrocities in the
world won't affect him.

"YOU MUST NEVER BE AFRAID TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT!
EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO DO IT ALONE!"
BE PROUD TO BE AN AMERICAN!
BE PROUD OF OUR PRESIDENT!
BE PROUD OF OUR TROOPS!! SUPPORT THEM!!! SUPPORT AMERICA! SO
THAT IN THE FUTURE OUR CHILDREN WILL NEVER HAVE TO
CLOSE THEIR BLINDS...."

The liberty we prize is not American's gift to the world; it is God's gift to humanity." George W. Bush

[Schmeltz]

Now I want
youto look out that window and pretend you see our neighbor who you're
pretending is Saddam turn around and do the same thing to his
children.


So you take it on yourself to go save this guy's wife and kids, and you do, because you're bigger than he is and he can't stand up to you. But the way you do it is to take your car and plow it through the front of his house. You smash your way through the place, kicking down doors, breaking windows, smashing appliances, tearing the house apart until you find him. Then you kick his ass and lock him up in your basement.

Except the wife and kids aren't exactly too happy about this turn of events either, because now they don't have a house to live in. You've taken away their abusive patriarch alright, but what are they going to do with a ruin of a home? But you're not too happy with their reaction, you expect them to be grateful. So when they complain, you slap the wife around (but not as hard as her husband did, so you're still a hero) and beat the kids yourself (but not as hard as their father did, so you're still the good guy). And God knows you're not going to call the cops in to arrest you.

And that's the continuation of the analogy into the Mission Accomplished phase, and why the stinking commie bleeding hearts think your analogy is just so much bullshit.

[Ali]

What a sentimental load of ka-ka.

"My husband looks at our son with tears in his eyes

please...

Respect to the Minister of Militia for his excellent clarification. (y)

[D_Raay]

NO CHILD LEFT BEHIND!!!!

[SobaViolence]

wow, i read the first 2 paragraphs then almost puked.

[cookiepuss]

seems like that little story over simplifys the issue. 'cause what the father doesn't tell his son is that he's doing business with the wife beater, and that getting him out of the way will allow him to take control of the wife beater's business.

War isn't fought to stop nations from doing bad things, no matter how much our country diludes itself into thinking that we should be the police of the world. Wars are fought for economic reasons. Get real.

[little j]

wow, i read the first 2 paragraphs then almost puked.
pretty much


ad lib:

Mother: now son pretend that your friends are over at the neighbors house and at first there are eight of them there.
and then the bad father and his friends (over for a bbq) kill two of them, because well, your friends came over to their house uninvited and started blowing shit up, hurting their families, etc.

so two of your friends are dead, what do you do?

Child: call my other friends home.

Mother: yeah, thats what i'd do to.

[ClifRa JOnes]

seems like that little story over simplifys the issue. 'cause what the father doesn't tell his son is that he's doing business with the wife beater, and that getting him out of the way will allow him to take control of the wife beater's business.

War isn't fought to stop nations from doing bad things, no matter how much our country diludes itself into thinking that we should be the police of the world. Wars are fought for economic reasons. Get real.

What were the 'economic' reasons for defeating the Nazis? They were one of 3 countries that had pulled themselves out of the Great Depression before the war. (Germany, Italy & Japan) Economics would have dictated that we should have allied ourselves with them instead of fighting them. The war with Japan started because we would not sell them oil any more. Economics would have dictated that we should make money selling them oil and the Chinese be damned.

The one war that has shaped the current politial landscape was indeed faught for ecomomic reasons. VietNam. Not for the reasons the left wants us to believe but so that LBJ and his Def. Contractor friends could steal the money that was in the Social Security trust fund. You see, before LBJ the government could not use that fund for general expenses. It was restricted for use only by the SS administration. Johnson got that changed. Prior to this happening the SS administration was sending our mailer to US citizens begging them to make claims. There was a glut of money on the fund and LJB and his cohorts stole it. By the time Nixon was elected all the money was gone.

FACT: if the SS fund of 1962 was invested in US corporation over the last 40 year we could eliminate the payroll tax and every US citizen could retire as a millionare, we could fund all those social programs the left says they like so much, we could provide health care for the poor and not have to rape the Am. populace with confiscatory taxes. The United States government would be one of the richest organizations in the world. Of course this would have violated a prime tenant of the communist manafesto: "The ever increasing income tax".

[ClifRa JOnes]

pretty much


ad lib:

Mother: now son pretend that your friends are over at the neighbors house and at first there are eight of them there.
and then the bad father and his friends (over for a bbq) kill two of them, because well, your friends came over to their house uninvited and started blowing shit up, hurting their families, etc.

so two of your friends are dead, what do you do?

Child: call my other friends home.

Mother: yeah, thats what i'd do to.

"Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
Of all the wonders that I yet have heard.
It seems to me most strange that men should fear;
Seeing that death, a necessary end,
Will come when it will come."

Julius Ceasar

[cookiepuss]

the economic reason for defeating the nazi's? If you will recal American had just gone through a great depression. We didn't even want to be involved in world war II at first. remember? It was only after pearl harbor that we joined fources. and World War II did indeed help boost the economy and help us out after a major depression. So there's an economic link for that war.

I was speaking mainly of our current war. Which has everything to do with oil and VERY little to do with weapons of mass destruction and terrorism.

[Funkaloyd]

My husband and I were in the Army during the Gulf War and we would be honored to serve and defend our country again

The writer is from Kuwait?

[ClifRa JOnes]

the economic reason for defeating the nazi's? If you will recal American had just gone through a great depression. We didn't even want to be involved in world war II at first. remember? It was only after pearl harbor that we joined fources. and World War II did indeed help boost the economy and help us out after a major depression. So there's an economic link for that war.

I was speaking mainly of our current war. Which has everything to do with oil and VERY little to do with weapons of mass destruction and terrorism.

Doesn't work sister!
You show your historical ignorance by saying we were not involved in the war before Pearl Harbor. We sure were. FDR found some pretty questionable legal precedence for violating US law by selling arms to the UK. We were involved in the war way before Pearl Harbor. Actually selling is not the right words, we were giving them arms on credit.

It has everything to do with oil, WMDs and terrorism.

Oil is the spice of our existance it keeps the world ecomony going. To have these resources in the hands of madmen is unacceptable. Cheap renewable fuel ain't gonna happen not even in your lifetime. Therefore we need Oil. I would much rather burn up thier oil first than ours here at home. I say keep the Oil in ANWAR, in the Gulf of Mexico and Off the California coast right where it is. When every drop of foreign oil is gone then the world will have to come to us!

It is all about WMDs. It's amazing how so called intellegent people can look at the Kay report and the Duelfer report and miss the most important points.

1. Kay stated that Iraq was more dangerous than we even thought. The regime was corrupted so badly that very few folks were watching the store. The biggest threat Kay stated was that some of these scientist, because they were not getting paid by Saddam may start freelancing. That's all we would needed, another Kahn network coming out of Iraq.

2. Duelfer states that Saddam was working very hard to get the sactions lifted. And he was having some success. Face it folks, France, Germany, Russia, China and the UN were on the take. There was no way they wanted this little gravy train to stop . Saddam had the knowledge and the will to restart all his WMD programs once the sanctions were gone. I doubt the santions could have been held in place for more than a year or two. France was already violating the sanction as was China. The sactions agains Iraq was a major bin Laden talking point. Why? Because he loved the Iraqi people? Yeah right!

No American president, even Kerry, could look at this situation and not act. To do so is unthinkable. Imagine what the American people would do if a nuclear bomb was set off in NY and it came to light that it was supplied to terrorists by Saddam and the American President had intellegence that pointed to the fact that he had these weapons? The excuse that the evidence was not good enough and that France didn't want to help out would be a sorry ass excuse. The US populace would string him up to a tree on the white house lawn.

The bank of terrorism is now closed. Saddam is not paying suicide bombers any longer, the Oil for Food program is not funnelling funds through questionable organization that could be feeding it to terrorists. The Fedayeen Saddam were not Iraqis. They were in the worlds on native Iraqis "the foreigners". Foreign Jihadist terrorists employed by Saddam.

Speaking of WMDs. You know who else through there were WMDs in Iraq? His military commanders. Why else were his troops equipped with MOP gear? (Chemical and Biological protective gear).

Duelfer believes that Saddam was bluffing so that Iran and the rest of us would fear him. I have a different theory on this. It's known that his sons had taken over more and more of the day to day operations of the regime. My theory is that Saddam handed over the WMD projects to them and they were scimming the money off the top and telling thier Dad they were developing weapons and thier father believed he had them. I think they faught to the death because they were more afraid of Daddy than they were of American forces.

Yes, it is obvious that there were no weapons. It is an embarassment to this country but I'd rather have a red face than a dead one.

[cookiepuss]

well we can squable over historical details to til the cows come home..but the fact still remains..there is always a economic reason to have a war. War helps out a nations economy by creating jobs. people tend to buy less imported good because they are more conciensious about supporting thier homeland. patriotism is most definently good for the economy. maybe you don't see a direct economic corellation for WWII but it did help americas economy at the time. (conveint that you mention the great depression of three other countries without mentioning our own, the most obvious.)

Beleive what you want to about WMD. I remain unconvinced that it was anything more than an ill-concieved illusion to distract the public from the true motivation of our administration. oh well...

[D_Raay]

Prescott Bush anyone? I seem to recall him having some dealings with the nazis.

[greedygretchen]

whoever said they wanted to puke after reading this "feel-good"(about the war now) story-i'm right there with ya!

[ClifRa JOnes]

well we can squable over historical details to til the cows come home..but the fact still remains..there is always a economic reason to have a war. War helps out a nations economy by creating jobs. people tend to buy less imported good because they are more conciensious about supporting thier homeland. patriotism is most definently good for the economy. maybe you don't see a direct economic corellation for WWII but it did help americas economy at the time. (conveint that you mention the great depression of three other countries without mentioning our own, the most obvious.)

Beleive what you want to about WMD. I remain unconvinced that it was anything more than an ill-concieved illusion to distract the public from the true motivation of our administration. oh well...

I didn't mention ours because I was stating the countries that were out of the depression, we were not! By 1935 the 3 countries I mentioned had significantly reduces thier unemployement and thier economies were growing while the rest of the world was not. True, they built thier growth by building up thier military.

The war pulled the whole world out of the depression including the US. Maybe there were economic reasons behind FDR's actions but I believe the larger reasons were idological not economical. Or maybe not, maybe they feared Germany & Japan becomming the dominant economic powers in the world.

And what pray tell was the true motivation of this admninistration? To not get re-elected? If GW had not gone into Iraq and nothing bad had happened, he would be re-elected by a landslide no matter who the Dems put on the ticket. It was only after the war started that his approval ratings started to plumit. I doubt this administration's true motivations were self destruction. Hell, if all we wanted was the oil we could have joined the UN in thier little scam and got all the oil we wanted and made a killing in the process.

Your arguments like your candidate, they have no substance.

[ClifRa JOnes]

Prescott Bush anyone? I seem to recall him having some dealings with the nazis.

I don't think his family goes back that far. Maybe your thinking of Joe Kennedy, who Joseph Goebbels called "our greatest allie in Britain".

[cookiepuss]

I did not declare my candidate. Personally I would choose a candidate who is different from all the choices we have at the moment, so you are making large assumptions.

it is clear that neither of us is going to change eachothers minds about how we see politics so.......Let us agree to disagree. ;)

[D_Raay]

Your argument has no substance by your last statement. His approval rating was abysmal before 9/11. ANY, I repeat ANY president could easily capitalize on this to turn his term around. The very fact that it happened on his watch while he played at his ranch in Texas indicates the type of leader he is. PDB saying Osama determined to strike in the US should supercede his "vacation", working or otherwise. Someone tells you that your "neighbor" (reference to the silly little story that started this thread) is about ready to invade you and your family (country) is in danger and you go on vacation? Oh, we have cell phones and fax machines and technology right? IT'S COMMON SENSE. What was he to do you might say? How about ACT like a leader and be most determined to stop Osama. I'm sorry but you can't do that from your ranch in Texas.

[D_Raay]

I don't think his family goes back that far. Maybe your thinking of Joe Kennedy, who Joseph Goebbels called "our greatest allie in Britain".
On October 20, 1942, the US Alien Property Custodian, under the "Trading With the Enemy Act," seized the shares of the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder. The largest shareholder was E. Roland Harriman. (Bush was also the managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman, a leading Wall Street investment firm.)

The UBC was established to send American capital to Germany to finance the reorganization of its industry under the Nazis. Their leading German partner was the notorious Nazi industrialist Fritz Thyssen, who wrote a book admitting much of this called "I Paid Hitler."

Among the companies financed was the Silesian-American Corporation, which was also managed by Prescott Bush, and by his father-in-law George Herbert Walker, who supplied Dub-a-Ya with his name. The company was vital in supplying coal to the Nazi war industry. It too was seized as a Nazi-front on November 17, 1942. The largest company Bush's UBC helped finance was the German Steel Trust, responsible for between one-third and one-half of Nazi iron and explosives.

Prescott Bush was also a director of the Harriman Fifteen Corporation, (this one owned largely by Roland's brother, Averell Harriman), which owned about a third of the Consolidated Silesian Steel Corporation, the rest owned by Friedrich Flick, (a member of Himmler's "Circle of Friends" who donated to the S.S.).

http://www.lpdallas.org/features/draheim/dr991216.htm
Prescott Bush was the father of president George Bush and grandfather of president George W. Bush. Like his son and grandson Prescott Bush attended Yale and belonged to the student secret society known as Skull and Bones. Prescott Bush served as a captain of artillery (the same rank held by Harry S. Truman) during World War I. After the war he became a businessman, eventually settling in Connecticut and working in New York's banking industry. He was elected U.S. senator as a Republican from Connecticut in 1952, following the mid-term death of senator Brien McMahon. Bush was reelected in 1956 and retired after that term ended in 1963.

Extra credit: Prescott Bush married the former Dorothy Walker in August 1921. They had five children: Prescott, George, Nancy, Jonathan and William (known as "Buck")... Bush shares a name with his great-grandson George Prescott Bush (the son of Florida governor Jeb Bush)... A long-running rumor alleges that Prescott Bush, along with two fellow Yale students, stole the skull of the Indian chief Geronimo from his Oklahoma grave in 1918 and delivered it to Skull and Bones headquarters in New Haven. The rumor has never been publicly proved or disproved.
http://www.who2.com/prescottbush.html
Yeah ok so you were saying?

[Whois]

A little dramatic, but it may help some of the bleeding hearts understand better...

Sorry if you missed it bumblefuck, but CONgress never declared war.

[ClifRa JOnes]

On October 20, 1942, the US Alien Property Custodian, under the "Trading With the Enemy Act," seized the shares of the Union Banking Corporation (UBC), of which Prescott Bush was a director and shareholder. The largest shareholder was E. Roland Harriman. (Bush was also the managing partner of Brown Brothers Harriman, a leading Wall Street investment firm.) et all...

Yeah ok so you were saying?

As I said, "I didn't think" didn't say I was right. Nice research.

A lot of Am. companies did business with the Nazis as did many international Corps of the time. We've done business with a lot of unsavory characters in the past. (i.e Saddam)

[EN[i]GMA]

That was the stupidest thing I've ever read. Congratulations.

[Schmeltz]

Actually, Clifra, your own arguments betray a lot of insubstance (is that a word?) because a lot of them are based on mistaken assumptions. Most everything you said is debatable.

For example, the Second World War did not pull the whole world out of the depression. The Soviet Union emerged from the war in a total economic shambles, was unable to reattain its pre-war levels of production for over a decade, and suffered from a huge gap between itself and the Western world in terms of economic growth and productivity until its collapse in the late 1980s. China, which was embroiled in a destructive civil war immediately following the Japanese withdrawal, found itself in similar economic straits. Surely you must concede that the huge population bloc represented by these two countries alone was hardly rescued by the war - quite to the contrary, it was all they could do to survive the conflict. Mark Harrison's The Economics of World War II: Six Great Powers in International Comparison sheds some interesting light on this subject

Here's another nifty assumption:


When every drop of foreign oil is gone then the world will have to come to us!


Are you really suggesting that it would be wise for the USA to become completely dependent on foreign oil, using none of its own sources? At current rates of usage, it will take the rest of the world a hell of a long time to run out of its own oil - it's your country that consumes by far the greatest proportion of the world's energy. You're right when you say that oil is the spice of your existence, but I fail to see how that means it would be possible for you to shut off the foreign tap and still maintain your country's standard of living and production. The reason why ANWR matters is because the USA is too dependent on foreign oil already - of course, if you don't think so, I'm sure China would find a great use for all the oil your country currently buys.


The biggest threat Kay stated was that some of these scientist, because they were not getting paid by Saddam may start freelancing.


Uh huh. I wonder what all the ex-Soviet scientists have been up to since the Cold War ended? Come to think of it, how well guarded are the decaying Russian stocks of weapons-grade uranium and plutonium? Has anybody been out to the Aral sea recently to check up on the huge, unguarded deposits of chemical weaponry that are on that island in the middle? There's way bigger fish to fry than whatever weapons programs Saddam was struggling to get off the ground, man. But of course a war with Russia isn't going to be too easy.


Saddam is not paying suicide bombers any longer


Yeah, I've noticed the real decline in suicide bombings in the Middle East recently. Awesome.


Why else were his troops equipped with MOP gear?


Gee, I dunno. Perhaps because they were arrayed against the USA, a country that actually has chemical and biological weaponry. Come on man, this is a no-brainer. This equipment is probably standard issue to most modern armies. God knows if my troops were facing down the American military, I think I'd want them to have all the protective gear I could possibly give them.


I'd rather have a red face than a dead one.


Yeah, I think there's about twenty-thousand Iraqis and counting who feel the same way.

[Documad]

Wow, what a lot of work on a silly, pointless story. If true, it would be one of the worst examples of parenting I've seen. I love it when the 9 year old starts to cry after being terrorized by dad!

I real life, when you directly intervene in the husband and wife scenario instead of involving the police, you not only put yourself in harms' way, you also increase the danger to the wife.

[infidel]

If you want to get into simple comparisons for complex issues how about the different methods bush and Kerry would deal with a wasp nest in a front yard tree?

The Kerry's would notice they have a potentially dangerous situation and would keep an eye on the wasps, giving them space unless they did in fact present a problem. If the wasps definitely proved to be problem they would hire someone with experience and the right equipment to remove it.

The bush approach would be hearing they have wasp nest in the front yard from sources five times removed, such as Dick told Donald, Donald told Colin, etc. The Bushs would then keep their kids inside while paying the neighbor's kids 25¢ to search everywhere for the nest then beat the shit out of it with baseball bats in the process also killing the neighbor's cat.

[SobaViolence]

....still puking....

[paulk]

This kind of shit should stay on gay chain emails.

[Vladimir]

This is just like that analogy that sisko posted a while back about the girl not wanting to share her high marks in college with her slacker best friend. It's clever and cute and all, but unfortunately, it doesn't hold up.

The major flaws in this article are that:
a) It doesn't mention how one would actually go about this righteous cause of rescuing your neighbor's wife & kids; that is, it does not detail firebombing their house and killing off their youngest child. However, since Schmeltz covered that, I won't go into it.
b) The analogy does not hold up because the reason that was provided at the time of the invasion (or should I say "liberation") was not that we were freeing the Iraqi people from oppression. The provided motive was that Saddam presented a clear and present (I believe the word used was "imminent") danger. So I edit the story thusly:

Okay, so first lets imagine that this household that the storyteller lived in had had a rough history. Another of the children had been kidnapped by a psycho-crazy man and had been killed. The father tells the son that not only had the neighbor in question been building weapons using the chemicals under his sink, and was planning to attack the main household, but that he had been in cahoots with the son's sibling's murderer. The son goes rampaging off in a righteous crusade, destroys the house, kills the youngest of the family that he is trying to "rescue" (I guess that child was "collateral damage"), and then realized that all the reasons provided for him going on this crusade weren't true. The police had arrived, and they concluded that there was never plans to build weapons, and that the kidnapper actually had great disdain for the man who was supposedly allied with him. The son trots off back home, feeling distraught because he had just royally screwed up; but his father tells him that in fact, the guy really had been a danger, and that the police didn't know what they were talking about. And the vault in the neighbor's house? Well, when the police got there, it was empty, and the wife and kids still had no house and no money. Nobody ever knew where the money had gone.

EPILOGUE: Then they realized that in all their hurry to destroy the evil neighbor-man, they had forgotten that the kidnapper who had killed their child was living in the next house over, laughing through the whole thing.

[ProfJIM]

A little dramatic, but it may help some of the bleeding hearts understand better...

(From SSgt 18 MUNS/MXWPD) ---The other day, my nine
year old son wanted to know why we were at war. My husband looked at our son and then looked at me. My husband and I were in the Army during the
Gulf War and we would be honored to serve and defend our country again
today. I knew that my husband would give him a good explanation.
My husband thought for a few minutes and then told my son to go stand
in our front living room window. He told him: "Son, stand there and
tell me what you see?"

"I see trees and cars and our neighbors' houses." he replied.

"OK, now I want you to pretend that our house and our yard is the
UnitedStates of America and you are President Bush."
blah blah blah


What a bullshit, horrible, oversimplized piece of shit.

[Auton]

yeah, that was retarded. and yeah right a nine year old would talk like that.

[SobaViolence]

pukes is subsiding....but still tastes its putried aftertaste...

[D_Raay]

pukes is subsiding....but still tastes its putried aftertaste...
classic

[Echewta]

Lets not forget that before that couple had a kid, they use to lend the man across the street golf clubs, bats, rat poisin, etc. knowing that he was beating his wife and telling the neighbors not to worry about because the couple and the man across the street cheered for the same football team to win against the others teams.
Now they have a kid and suddenly what the guy is doing is bad and shocking and the bat in the corner never belonged to the couple and all the other things they thought they saw in the window that could have injured the neighbors wasn't true because the cops took them away when they proudly served in the Gulf War.

[Auton]

awesome (y)




















but you still owe me a date :mad:

[DroppinScience]

Wow....

That was the lamest thing ever. (n)

Besides the fact that in this parallel story, mom and dad sold the baseball bats, etc., this "neighbour" was contained and didn't have the capability to go and attack all the other "neighbours."

So this household goes and falsifies info that the crazy old man across the street has the capability to go and beat people up and burn peoples' houses down. So the household burns down his house and finds no evidence that he had these weapons cababilities after the previous time he was "dealt with," they choose to ignore the fact that five houses down, some other deadbeats start "testing" their weapons, sayin he can be dealt with through negotiations.

Ahh... whatever. This is the shittiest analogy to ever be concocting by conservatives yet. :rolleyes:

[Ali]

My husband and I were in the Army during the Gulf War and we would be honored to serve and defend our country again

The writer is from Kuwait? Tou-fukn-ché!

Kuwait was seized by the British in 1899.

Where was George Bush then?

[Ali]

I don't think his family goes back that far. Maybe your thinking of Joe Kennedy, who Joseph Goebbels called "our greatest allie in Britain". There's plenty of evidence that he sold steel to the Nazis. (edit: like D_Raay told ya after I wrote this)

[Ali]

As I said, "I didn't think" didn't say I was right. Nice research.

A lot of Am. companies did business with the Nazis as did many international Corps of the time. We've done business with a lot of unsavory characters in the past. (i.e Saddam) do you always make that beeping sound when you back-up?

And do you think you're helping your case by stating that a lot of US companes also sold stuff to the Nazis? Which other international corps traded with the Nazis at the same time? Any names?

Did you see action during your military service? I doubt you'd be quite as gung-ho if you were in Iraq right now.

[Ali]

Wow, what a lot of work on a silly, pointless story. If true, it would be one of the worst examples of parenting I've seen. I love it when the 9 year old starts to cry after being terrorized by dad!

I real life, when you directly intervene in the husband and wife scenario instead of involving the police, you not only put yourself in harms' way, you also increase the danger to the wife. which is EXACTLY what happened in Eye Rack.

Excellent post (y)

[Ali]

Woo-hoo, talk about a lame-ass piece of Conservative bullshit blowing up in your face!!!!

Could this be classified as Friendly Fire?

[Ace42]

And do you think you're helping your case by stating that a lot of US companes also sold stuff to the Nazis? Which other international corps traded with the Nazis at the same time? Any names?

Coca Cola.

Also, Heinz is a German name, which is as bad.

[ClifRa JOnes]

do you always make that beeping sound when you back-up?
Only when I running over a Lib!
(that's a joke people)


And do you think you're helping your case by stating that a lot of US companes also sold stuff to the Nazis? Which other international corps traded with the Nazis at the same time? Any names?

I'm sure if I did the research I could find them.


Did you see action during your military service? I doubt you'd be quite as gung-ho if you were in Iraq right now.

You doubt wrong. If I wasn't too old I'd be there now. You see I don't fear death.

Depends on your definition of action. You see I was in the military during the Carter years. I climbed in aircraft that no sane person should get into. I saw good men die when thier planes crashed because the president refused to authorise the purchase of spare parts. I experienced explosive decompresson at 15000 ft and had to sit in the back seat while a pilot with a broken arm and a copilot with fiberglass in his eyes had to land an S3 on the flight deck at 3:00am. Lastly I had to live through a military so demoralized by VietNam that drug use and alcahol abuse use was rampid.

No, it's not the same as combat but any time you strap yourself into a military aircraft it's a dangerous prospect.

[Ace42]

No, it's not the same as combat but any time you strap yourself into a military aircraft it's a dangerous prospect.

Especially if you are allied to the US.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2889109.stm

[ClifRa JOnes]

Especially if you are allied to the US.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2889109.stm

Friendly Fire! It happens in war.

This might piss off some of the reservist out there but, its how I feel.

The article doesn't state whether the guys who shot him down were reservists but it seems to me that a lot of the mistakes and BS going on in this war are being done by reservists. Dropping bombs on Canadians, putting underware on prisoners heads. I don't mean to demean reservists but WE NEED FULL TIME SOLDERS not weekend warriors.

John Kerry's one and only position I support is increasing the active duty military. (Don't think he can accomplish it through)

Ok, I've said my 2 cents, all you reservists out there can flame me to death now.

[D_Raay]

Only when I running over a Lib!
(that's a joke people)


I'm sure if I did the research I could find them.



You doubt wrong. If I wasn't too old I'd be there now. You see I don't fear death.

Depends on your definition of action. You see I was in the military during the Carter years. I climbed in aircraft that no sane person should get into. I saw good men die when thier planes crashed because the president refused to authorise the purchase of spare parts. I experienced explosive decompresson at 15000 ft and had to sit in the back seat while a pilot with a broken arm and a copilot with fiberglass in his eyes had to land an S3 on the flight deck at 3:00am. Lastly I had to live through a military so demoralized by VietNam that drug use and alcahol abuse use was rampid.

No, it's not the same as combat but any time you strap yourself into a military aircraft it's a dangerous prospect.
You know it just proves the point that war is wrong on any occasion for any reason. Thanks for illustrating this point and thanks for serving this country when you shouldn't have had to.

[Ace42]

Friendly Fire! It happens in war.

It happens in war *when you are allied to the US army* - this is not an isolated incident. The UK military tells all its officers to expect US soldiers to fire at you due to their incompetence.

[ClifRa JOnes]

You know it just proves the point that war is wrong on any occasion for any reason. Thanks for illustrating this point and thanks for serving this country when you shouldn't have had to.

No, there are plenty of valid reasons for war. Unfortunatly in the course of human events there have been to many wars faught for the wrong reasons.

I volunteered. God knows why I did that at that time. I have no truck with the military it was just a really bad time for anyone to be in the military. Especially all the friends I had who were sent thier by judges. Talk about your back door draft.

[ASsman]

It's always a bad time to be in the US military.

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And as for why we are at war.

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=22958

Read or Die.

[ClifRa JOnes]

It happens in war *when you are allied to the US army* - this is not an isolated incident. The UK military tells all its officers to expect US soldiers to fire at you due to their incompetence.

It happens in every war. When the first musket was used in war the first instance of friendly fire probably wasn't to far behind.

It happens in every war by every army.

How about you come down here and we will go meet some of my Marine SF friends for a drink and you can tell them how incompetant they are?

No need to fear, the hurricanes are all gone now.

[Ace42]

The US have a reputation for it. It is like saying "drunk drivers aren't less compitent - all sorts of drivers crash, it is an unavoidable part of driving and happens on every road in every country!"

And no, I tend not to consort with people who have chosen "sanctioned murder" as a career, just like I don't socialise with pimps, drug-dealers or muggers.

[ClifRa JOnes]

The US have a reputation for it. It is like saying "drunk drivers aren't less compitent - all sorts of drivers crash, it is an unavoidable part of driving and happens on every road in every country!"

And no, I tend not to consort with people who have chosen "sanctioned murder" as a career, just like I don't socialise with pimps, drug-dealers or muggers.

A reputation from whom? Back up your words junior!

I bet you hang around with a bunch of Democrats, don't ya? This is the party that sanctioned the murder of 84 people in Waco Texas and Randy Weaver's wife and Son! U.S. citizens ALL!

And let's not forget Vince Foster & Ron Brown shall we. Amazing how 2 guys just days away from going in front of a judge end up dead. How very convenient.

The next time the bad guys come around, we'll let them kill you first before we kill them.

[Ace42]

A reputation from whom? Back up your words junior!

Most of the world's military. My aquaintance with numerous individuals in the OTC (Officer Training Corps) has illustrated one thing clearly - all officers are warned of going into combat with the US soldiers, and that they should expect friendly fire, and under no circumstances to fire back, no matter what the provocation. This reputation is only increased by the fact that on live BBC news, BBC reporter John Simpson, in a clearly marked press convoy, with clearly marked US escort got strafed by an A-10, caused blood from the cameraman to be spattered all across the lens, as "Fatty" Simpson ran for his podgy life. Search the BBC website for it, there are numerous examples.

I bet you hang around with a bunch of Democrats, don't ya?

Surprisingly, there aren't many US political affiliates in my country. In the UK "the Liberal Democrat" party has pretty much nothing in common with the US party which shares the name.

This is the party that sanctioned the murder of 84 people in Waco Texas and Randy Weaver's wife and Son! U.S. citizens ALL!

Again, nothing to do with UK politics.

The next time the bad guys come around, we'll let them kill you first before we kill them.

What, like in both world wars? That'll be a change...

[ASsman]

Ouch, I hope there was plenty of vaseline involved ,because someone got the SHAFT!

[Ali]

WE NEED FULL TIME SOLDERS not weekend warriors. The Draft should sort that out.

Or you could call the Brits (just try not to shoot them by mistake, OK?)

[Schmeltz]

This is the party that sanctioned the murder of 84 people in Waco Texas and Randy Weaver's wife and Son! U.S. citizens ALL!


Haven't the Republicans sanctioned the murder of 1,100 American citizens (and counting) in the last war alone?

Oh right, I forgot that it's not murder if you dress someone up in a uniform before they're killed. Sorry.

[D_Raay]

Haven't the Republicans sanctioned the murder of 1,100 American citizens (and counting) in the last war alone?

Oh right, I forgot that it's not murder if you dress someone up in a uniform before they're killed. Sorry.

Again this illustrates the point. No war ever for any reason. There are many countries who have never been involved in war, why not us? We should be the shining example for everyone else. At least then we would have the moral ground and respect to stand upon. If someone is not willing to cooperate with us and we stand to lose an agenda or worse(when it comes to this administration) a lot of money, then so be it. Turn the other cheek (as the fundamental christian evangelical right wing claims to agree with).

[yeahwho]

THAT scenario I just gave you is WHY we are at war with Iraq. When good
men stand by and let evil happen is the greatest EVIL of all. Our
President is doing what is right. We, as a free nation, must understand that this war is a war of humanity. WE must remove evil men from power so that we can continue to live in a free world where we are not afraid to look out the window.



The citizens of the United States of America and the rest of the World were told by the Bush Administration that Iraq possessed and was willing to use WMD. Even in your "scenario" the neighbor owns no gun. Your story and all the other twisted logic that is forced on me and my son is not going to change that lie. That is what I'm teaching my son.