The tolerant Left

[ClifRa JOnes]

Hate speech and goon squads

So far, Democratic Party leaders have not said anything about the rash of drive-by shootings, theft, vandalism, unlawful entry and physical attacks committed by low-level anti-Bush partisans over the last few weeks. It would demonstrate real leadership if they — and all persons of goodwill, regardless of political affiliation — were to condemn this behavior in no uncertain terms.

Here's a partial selection of what is alleged to have occurred: Gunshots were fired into Bush-Cheney offices in Knoxville, Tenn. and Huntington, W.Va. The latter barely missed campaign staffers as they watched President Bush's nomination acceptance speech on Sept. 2. Charges of misdemeanor battery and criminal mischief were filed against a Gainesville, Fla., college professor who attacked the Republican county chairman last month. There were instances of forcible entry causing minor injuries at Republican offices in Miami, Tampa and Orlando. In Orlando, a Republican field organizer had his wrist fractured when a mob of protesters stormed local GOP headquarters. Burglaries occurred at campaign headquarters in Bellevue, Wash., Spokane, Wash. and Canton, Ohio.

Fifty Republican members of Congress led by Rep. Tom Feeney of Florida have sent a letter asking the Justice Department to investigate whether the coordinated protests violated any federal laws on protecting the rights to campaign and vote. It will be interesting to see if Mary Berry or other members of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission — people who inveighed endlessly four years ago about spurious reports of voter intimidation — will demonstrate any interest in investigating reports that Republicans are the ones being targeted.

In many elections, there are rogue elements who seek to employ thuggery to advance a political agenda or intimidate those who disagree with them. At a minimum, responsible people — whatever their affiliation — should condemn such behavior and not employ fevered rhetoric that can only encourage unstable people to engage in anti-social behavior. Unfortunately, some partisans on the left engage in beyond-the-pale attacks aimed at dehumanizing their political adversaries. Al Gore, for example, referred to Republican activists as "digital Brown Shirts" in June in a speech before the American Constitution Society in Washington. A MoveOn.org ad used Nazi imagery to compare President Bush to Hitler. Federal Appeals Court Judge Guido Calabresi also suggested that President Bush's election was somehow analogous to the rise of Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini.

Abraham Foxman of the Anti-Defamation League expressed grave concern to Mr. Gore in a letter after his remarks in June, saying they had the effect of trivializing the Holocaust and urging Mr. Gore to stop using the analogy. Mr. Gore never responded. A public outcry and sharp condemnations by figures across the political spectrum forced George Soros' MoveOn.org to pull its Nazi Web ad earlier this year. It's long past time for decent people of every political persuasion to marginalize those who employ hate speech or physical intimidation to advance their agendas.


Original News Site. Washington Times.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/op-ed/20041013-091042-3806r.htm

[bdavid]

Appreciate it.

[cookiepuss]

Humm...that's just like a conservative..let a few bad apples spoil the whole barrel! ;)

sorry guys couldn't resist. go ahead, lynch my liberal bleeding heart!

[ClifRa JOnes]

Humm...that's just like a conservative..let a few bad apples spoil the whole barrel! ;)

sorry guys couldn't resist. go ahead, lynch my liberal bleeding heart!

You misunderstand, we are just trying to stop the bleeding!
(and in the process maybe save your life)

[cookiepuss]

how incredibly sweet of you, to think of my well being. unfortunately there is no hope for me, as I will most like be taken out for fliping off the wrong person on the freeway. This is california after all. :p

[Ace42]

That wasn't poor behaviour, that was just high-spirits. They were celebrating getting their assault rifles back, and were just near the Republican offices so they could say thankyou. However, caught up in the moment and over-excited, their shooting at the sky was woefully poor, and they accidentaly took out the windows.

Maybe if you vote for Kerry, he'll tighten gunlaws and thus prevent this sort of thing!

[adam_f]

That may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And I've said some pretty dumb shit myself.

[racer5.0stang]

I don't know how anyone can vote for someone who supports partial birth abortions.

[Ace42]

Indeed, everyone knows you should wait until they are nine and living in a mud-muddle in Iraq before killing them.

[Schmeltz]

The Democrats are the Left now? When did that happen?

[infidel]

The Democrats are the Left now? When did that happen?
Docha know they flip-flop left and right daily

[ClifRa JOnes]

how incredibly sweet of you, to think of my well being. unfortunately there is no hope for me, as I will most like be taken out for fliping off the wrong person on the freeway. This is california after all. :p

Ok guys how about we take up a collection to buy her one of those bullet proof Mercades.

We have to protect our Liberal friends. Seeing as how they won't do it themselves.

[ClifRa JOnes]

That may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. And I've said some pretty dumb shit myself.

Explain to me how the truth can be dumb?

[DroppinScience]

That wasn't poor behaviour, that was just high-spirits. They were celebrating getting their assault rifles back, and were just near the Republican offices so they could say thankyou. However, caught up in the moment and over-excited, their shooting at the sky was woefully poor, and they accidentaly took out the windows.

Maybe if you vote for Kerry, he'll tighten gunlaws and thus prevent this sort of thing!


Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha! :D *wipes tears from laughing*

Man oh man, that's one fo the funniest things I've read today. I'll be laughing about this one for awhile. Thanks Ace. :)

[ClifRa JOnes]

The Democrats are the Left now? When did that happen?

Some time around 1968 I believe.

1968 Hubert Humphrey (the man who made Arnold a Republican)
1972 George McGovern (a real war hero by the way, not a fake one)
1976 Jimmy Carter (winner of the Nobel Peanut Prize)
1984 Walter Modale (I will raise your taxes)
1988 Michael Dukakis (Every murderer deserves a second chance)
1992 Bill Clinton (I'll give Billy a break, he knew how to ride the center)
2000 Al Gore (I invented the internet)
2004 John Kerry (Soviet cold warrior)

And let not forget Hillary ("We are the president") Clinton.

[DroppinScience]

Some time around 1968 I believe.

1968 Hubert Humphrey (the man who made Arnold a Republican)
1972 George McGovern (a real war hero by the way, not a fake one)
1976 Jimmy Carter (winner of the Nobel Peanut Prize)
1984 Walter Modale (I will raise your taxes)
1988 Michael Dukakis (Every murderer deserves a second chance)
1992 Bill Clinton (I'll give Billy a break, he knew how to ride the center)
2000 Al Gore (I invented the internet)
2004 John Kerry (Soviet cold warrior)

And let not forget Hillary ("We are the president") Clinton.

No, the Democrats would be "left" at around 1932.

Whatever the case, you do have a knack for oversimplification.

[ClifRa JOnes]

No, the Democrats would be "left" at around 1932.

Read the Vanona reports, You'd be surpised how many Democrates back then were committed Leftists.


Whatever the case, you do have a knack for oversimplification.

Yes I do subscript to the KISS principle. Keep It Simple for the Stupid.

[racer5.0stang]

Indeed, everyone knows you should wait until they are nine and living in a mud-muddle in Iraq before killing them.

Apparently you have never seen a partial birth abortion. Allow me to paint a picture for you. Imagine that a child that is being born is not considered born until the head comes out of the mother. As long as that does not occur, the child is not "born". The child could be almost at full term and still be aborted by inserting a needle into the back of the skull and sucking the brains out of the child. So tell me how that is not murder? Imagine a girl who is 14 yrs old and is pregnant and does not have to tell her parents in order to have an abortion. But if she did and decided to keep the child for, lets say seven months, then she changes her mind (as teenagers do from minute to minute) and goes and has the abortion. Something is wrong with that and that is the world Kerry wants the U.S. to be.

[Whois]

There is no medical procedure called "partial birth abortion", just like there are no such things as "semi-automatic assault rifles".

Try again...

[Ace42]

Apparently you have never seen a partial birth abortion. Allow me to paint a picture for you. Imagine that a child that is being born is not considered born until the head comes out of the mother. As long as that does not occur, the child is not "born". The child could be almost at full term and still be aborted by inserting a needle into the back of the skull and sucking the brains out of the child. So tell me how that is not murder? Something is wrong with that and that is the world Kerry wants the U.S. to be.

What, they they don't used a frying-pan to the cranium whilst it was crowning?!?

Let me paint a picture for you. That baby grows up, and due to coming from a broken home, joins the military. Then it affixes a bayonet to the end of its rifle, and proceeds to stick it into the back of a former-babies' skull. Or he just uses rapidly propelled hot lead. Or Napalm, or a cluster-bomb.

That is the world Bush has used the US to make. And the people US soldiers kill are fully developed enough to know they don't want to die brutally.

Funny, shooting people in Iraq "isn't murder" - but sucking the brains out of an unborn kid that doesn't have a name and isn't even wanted and won't even have a decent life anyway is.

Double Standard.

[ClifRa JOnes]

There is no medical procedure called "partial birth abortion", just like there are no such things as "semi-automatic assault rifles".

Try again...


Dilation & Extraction procedures are called D&X, Intact D&X, and Intrauterine cranial decompression. The non-medical terms: PBA and Partial-birth Abortions are commonly used by the public.

No Semi-Automatics? So I guess it's a good thing that that law banning those weapons has expired. Doesn't make much sense to have law banning something that doesn't exist.

If I fired my simi-automatic assault rifle at your feet I bet you'd dance away from those non-existent bullets.

Sorry couldn't resist.

Any Semi-automatic assault rifle can with the proper knowledge and tools and parts be converted to full automatic.

The 2nd ammendment isn't about citizens keeping arms for hunting or personal protection, it about the right of the people to be able to protect themselves from thier government.

(of course, in 1789 they didn't JDAMS)

[DroppinScience]

The 2nd ammendment isn't about citizens keeping arms for hunting or personal protection, it about the right of the people to be able to protect themselves from thier government.


Well then, let's start EXERCISING that 2nd ammendment right. Americans gotta protect themselves from the Bush administration, ya know.

[adam_f]

Originally posted by CliffRa JOnes
Explain to me how the truth can be dumb?

I was talking about Ace42's statement that preceded my comment. I hate quoting people, so I didn't. Jesus.

[Ace42]

Indeed. When in doubt, assume the person replying has no sense of humour.

[adam_f]

I have a sense of humor, it's just something has to be funny for me to find something humorous.

[Ace42]

Muh, you probably find Woody Allen funny.

[adam_f]

On the contrary, I find Woody Allen to be an irritating fool. I'll take a good Ted Demme or Kevin Smith over his anyday.

[Yeti]

I don't know how anyone can vote for someone who supports partial birth abortions.



I vote in Florida so my electronic vote will be lost in the abyss. I just hope they don't put Pat Buchanan under Bush's name I might get confused.

[ASsman]

Bah, they come in bushels.

[Funkaloyd]

Any Semi-automatic assault rifle can with the proper knowledge and tools and parts be converted to full automatic.

I think his point is that an assualt rifle isn't an assault rifle unless it's select fire.

[Documad]

I don't know how anyone can vote for someone who supports partial birth abortions.

I don't think anyone is FOR partial birth abortions. I think that Kerry's position is that it should be an option available to medical doctors in the unlikely event that it's necessary to save the life of the mother. So as ugly as it is, it makes sense to me.

On abortion in general, someday I'd like to meet an anti-choice person who wants to invest significant time and effort into the unwanted children a few years down the road. They never seem to be volunteering with me--that's just my own experience.

[ClifRa JOnes]

I don't think anyone is FOR partial birth abortions. I think that Kerry's position is that it should be an option available to medical doctors in the unlikely event that it's necessary to save the life of the mother. So as ugly as it is, it makes sense to me.

On abortion in general, someday I'd like to meet an anti-choice person who wants to invest significant time and effort into the unwanted children a few years down the road. They never seem to be volunteering with me--that's just my own experience.

You see, here is the total misrepresentation by the Dems. There WAS a provision for the LIFE of the mother. What they objected to was no provision for the HEALTH of the mother. Now life is quite easily defined but health can be quite left up to enterpretation. That is the rub.

Patiant: Doc, I got this hangnail and I just can't go through labor with it. I want you to pull my 8 month child out of me and then crush it's skill so it won't stretch out put my twat. Can you do that?

Doc: Sure, let me just put down on this form that your health was in danger.

[100% ILL]

I don't think anyone is FOR partial birth abortions. I think that Kerry's position is that it should be an option available to medical doctors in the unlikely event that it's necessary to save the life of the mother. So as ugly as it is, it makes sense to me.

On abortion in general, someday I'd like to meet an anti-choice person who wants to invest significant time and effort into the unwanted children a few years down the road. They never seem to be volunteering with me--that's just my own experience.

Unwanted Children? Abortion for the purppose of birthcontrol is Murder.

II Timothy 3:1-3
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good

[ClifRa JOnes]

Unwanted Children? Abortion for the purppose of birthcontrol is Murder.

II Timothy 3:1-3
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy. Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good

Wow, what an accurate description of our friends from the Left.

[Whois]

Any Semi-automatic assault rifle can with the proper knowledge and tools and parts be converted to full automatic.

I think his point is that an assualt rifle isn't an assault rifle unless it's select fire.

Unless it's full-auto...

[Whois]

Dilation & Extraction procedures are called D&X, Intact D&X, and Intrauterine cranial decompression.


Yay, now tell me when it's used and why...

The non-medical terms: PBA and Partial-birth Abortions are commonly used by the public.


Exactly, non-medical term (IOW a political term, like assault weapon)


No Semi-Automatics? So I guess it's a good thing that that law banning those weapons has expired. Doesn't make much sense to have law banning something that doesn't exist.

If I fired my simi-automatic assault rifle at your feet I bet you'd dance away from those non-existent bullets.

Sorry couldn't resist.


No semi-auto assault rifles exist, assault rifles are full auto...you couldn't resist being an idiot?


Any Semi-automatic assault rifle can with the proper knowledge and tools and parts be converted to full automatic.


Wrong...

The 2nd ammendment isn't about citizens keeping arms for hunting or personal protection, it about the right of the people to be able to protect themselves from thier government.

(of course, in 1789 they didn't JDAMS)

Correct...

[Ace42]

Any Semi-automatic assault rifle can with the proper knowledge and tools and parts be converted to full automatic.


Wrong...

Actually, he is quite correct. With the proper knowledge and tools and parts, you can convert a semi-auto-rifle to a fully auto one. You simply use your parts to construct a fully-auto one from scratch, transferring the semi-auto's soul, sights and trigger, engrave the semi's ID number and markings on the new one, and "shazzam" - you have you brand spanking [old] fully auto assault rifle.

Gun manufacturers have been doing this for years (minus the reusing old parts. We paid for NEW goddammit!). It's called "production" in the business.

[ASsman]

This whole abortion thing is fucked up. There needs to be some more research done into this. Figure out the point at which we can all decide the embryo has become an actual child, and ban abortions from that point on.


OH WAIT!??!?!
FUCK THAT SHIT ASSHOLES. You fucking conservative/liberals alike who don't want abortion. GUESS WHAT FUCK FACES it's called the MORNING AFTER PILL. Tired of this abortion bullshit!? Fucking legalize it over the counter nationwide assholes. No short term/long term side effects, it is not abortion. It stops the egg from being released, and is good for up to 2-3 days after intercourse. WOW! Like fucking magic.

Oh yah and this.


EXO 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.

ROM 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
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Ps.92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."

Isa.57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."
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Exod. 24:9,10; Amos 9:1; Gen. 26:2; and John 14:9
God CAN be seen:
"And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts." (Ex. 33:23)
"And the Lord spake to Moses face to face, as a man speaketh to his friend." (Ex. 33:11)
"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (Gen. 32:30)

God CANNOT be seen:
"No man hath seen God at any time." (John 1:18)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (Ex. 33:20)
"Whom no man hath seen nor can see." (1 Tim. 6:16)

[Whois]

Actually, he is quite correct. With the proper knowledge and tools and parts, you can convert a semi-auto-rifle to a fully auto one. You simply use your parts to construct a fully-auto one from scratch, transferring the semi-auto's soul, sights and trigger, engrave the semi's ID number and markings on the new one, and "shazzam" - you have you brand spanking [old] fully auto assault rifle.

Gun manufacturers have been doing this for years (minus the reusing old parts. We paid for NEW goddammit!). It's called "production" in the business.

Care to show your sources? The method you describe would be illegal...

Perhaps you aren't aware that full-auto weapons are no longer manufactured in the US for sale to civilians (1986).

Converting semis to full auto is usually unsafe (as well as illegal), anyways I was calling him on his use of 'any' and 'semi-auto assault rifle' because I'm tired of people saying that kind of stupid shit.

[Ace42]

Care to show your sources? The method you describe would be illegal...

Perhaps you aren't aware that full-auto weapons are no longer manufactured in the US for sale to civilians (1986).

Converting semis to full auto is unsafe (and illegal), anyways I was calling him on his use of 'any' and 'semi-auto assault rifle' because I'm tired of people saying that kind of stupid shit.

Perhaps you missed the irony. Read it again. Think about it.

What I outlined was someone with the pre-stipulated "equipment and know-how" constructing a fully auto from scratch, not "converting" it per sé. I provided no sources, as common sense should've told you that guns could not be "produced" at all without "proper tools, parts, and expertise"

[Whois]

Perhaps you missed the irony. Read it again. Think about it.

What I outlined was someone with the pre-stipulated "equipment and know-how" constructing a fully auto from scratch, not "converting" it per sé. I provided no sources, as common sense should've told you that guns could not be "produced" at all without "proper tools, parts, and expertise"

I had assumed you were being serious...and ignorant, sorry I missed the irony.

[Funkaloyd]

GUESS WHAT FUCK FACES it's called the MORNING AFTER PILL.

But according to the Bible, birth control is wrong too! =o

assault rifles are full auto

What would you classify the M16 as being?

[Ace42]

What would you classify the M16 as being?

The M16 was originally fully auto. It is only the subsequent A2 variants that were limited.

Incidently, could you use the "[quote]" tags instead of the [i] itallic ones? Apart from conforming to the standard, it would leave them free for emphasis.

[ASsman]

But according to the Bible, birth control is wrong too! =o
Then ban condoms, and "pulling out" too.

[Whois]

GUESS WHAT FUCK FACES it's called the MORNING AFTER PILL.

But according to the Bible, birth control is wrong too! =o

assault rifles are full auto

What would you classify the M16 as being?

An assault rifle, you can own one if you can pass the special background check, pay the transfer fee and live in a Class III state (like Nevada).

[Whois]

The M16 was originally fully auto. It is only the subsequent A2 variants that were limited.

Incidently, could you use the "[quote]" tags instead of the [i] itallic ones? Apart from conforming to the standard, it would leave them free for emphasis.

Full auto is any firearm that fires more than one round every time you pull the trigger.

M16 & M16A1 - Safe, semi, full (fires till the mag is empty, or it jammes [more likely]).

M16A2 - Safe, semi, three round burst (still full auto).

[Whois]

Then ban condoms, and "pulling out" too.

Do a Google search on "Full quiver" and christian...wow.

[Funkaloyd]

Especially pulling out (http://www.carm.org/kjv/Gen/Gen_38.htm)!


I don't often put emphasis on more than a single word or phrase, but I'll try to remember to use Quote tags if you find my italics annoying.

[Ace42]

Using the quote tags is much appreciated, cheers.