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hellojello
10-22-2004, 07:45 AM
his preliminary hearing is Nov. 1st, 2004
""David Hicks, an Adelaide man, was captured by the Northern Alliance in Afghanistan in early December 2001 while travelling with Taliban soldiers who were defending their territory from the Northern Alliance.
He remains there uncharged after numerous interrogations by both American and Australian government military officers and/or officials. He was detained in a small cage for more than five months, and was transferred to a small "shed type" prison cell about the middle of 2002. There is a bed, no chair and no window. The lights are on twenty four hours a day. He has only two fifteen minute exercise periods a week where he is walked shackled between two guards. He is forced to wear an overall type uniform whether it is forty-three degrees Centigrade (over one hundred degrees Fahrenheit) or less.
David has not been charged with any crime in Australia. He has not been charged with any crime in Afghanistan. He is detained without charge, without trial and without access to family or consular assistance.""
http://www.fairgofordavid.org/htmlfiles/main.htm
edb1821
10-22-2004, 08:34 AM
Now let's hear how it's Bush's fault...
bdavid
10-22-2004, 08:48 AM
Well what the hell was he travelling with the Taliban for. Who cares about that fuck?
jegtar
10-22-2004, 09:21 AM
Maybe they will cut off his head and video tape it!
Yeah, it's not like you have to be proven guilty if somebody accuses you of terrorism. It's not like you get a trial or anything. You just get thrown in jail and tortured for an indefinite period of time and eventually released without any explatation.
Isn't there some sort of international fukn law that's been broken?
Ahh, but who gives a fuck about international law? He's a tererist, he deserves it, let him rot. And all those people in Abu Ghraib, they're just Sand-Niggers, right? They were bound to be up to something.
Who gives a fuck about people being held without trial? Who gives a fuck when 3,000 people die in the world trade centre, muthafuker, they deserved it, just like David Hicks deserves what has happened to him. They were in a War Zone, what the fuck did they expect? The WTC had been attacked before, the CIA had plenty of warning it was going to happen, why were they there?
jegtar
10-22-2004, 11:50 AM
Sand-Niggers
That term offends me, you should go back to the Toby Keith forum
Whois
10-22-2004, 12:27 PM
That term offends me, you should go back to the Toby Keith forum
Humans offend me, please die...
Whois
10-22-2004, 12:29 PM
Well what the hell was he travelling with the Taliban for. Who cares about that fuck?
The Taliban? A government our great leaders supported until Sept 11th, 2001??
That Taliban???
:rolleyes:
Whois
10-22-2004, 02:16 PM
Whew. I thought this was about me.
How do you know it isn't?
Funkaloyd
10-22-2004, 05:54 PM
That term offends me, you should go back to the Toby Keith forum
He (jokingly) says that trials aren't necessary, that torture's fine, and that those in the WTC deserved to die, and that term's the only thing which offends you?
ASsman
10-22-2004, 08:21 PM
Is it the Sand part or the Nigger part? Maybe we should just call them towel-heads. Or, Jihad'Joes. Hmm but thats not derogatory enough. And as for everyone saying "so what" , "big deal", "lib fucks will blaim Bush for anything". The point has been made, you are all a bunch of inbred dumbfucks. Since you are incapable of seing injustice if it came and jail raped you. Of course it is only the basic principles of our rights as humans, but thats another story. Oh and sand-niggers don't have rights. Rights are privileges not rights.
hellojello
10-23-2004, 05:17 AM
Now let's hear how it's Bush's fault...
you might like totalitarianism
i don't
Well what the hell was he travelling with the Taliban for. Who cares about that fuck?
a) like whois already said...america supported the installation of the taliban and their rule, right up until they needed a scapegoat(after 9/11) . do u even know who the taliban are?
.....During the cold war the Afghanis were fighting the Soviets, need I say America supported the Afghanis...
"The Afghan resistance [THE TALIBAN et al] was backed by the intelligence services of the United States and Saudi Arabia with nearly $6 billion worth of weapons.
The C.I.A.'s military and financial support for the Afghan rebels indirectly helped build the camps that the United States [later] attacked.
http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/camps.htm "
..... are you like some sort of saddam supporter who believes in dictatorships or something?? since when are beliefs that differ from the ruling regime illegal? i almost hope one day you end up a political prisoner..but honestly i wouldn't wish that on anyone.
b) i care.
Maybe they will cut off his head and video tape it!
due to your lack of insight and empathy one can only assume you suffer some sort of mental disability. Just because you don't see americans slaughtering people on TV doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Change the channel there's other stations than FOX you know.
paulk
10-23-2004, 12:46 PM
you might like totalitarianism
i don't
a) like whois already said...america supported the installation of the taliban and their rule, right up until they needed a scapegoat(after 9/11) . do u even know who the taliban are?
.....During the cold war the Afghanis were fighting the Soviets, need I say America supported the Afghanis...
"The Afghan resistance [THE TALIBAN et al] was backed by the intelligence services of the United States and Saudi Arabia with nearly $6 billion worth of weapons.
The C.I.A.'s military and financial support for the Afghan rebels indirectly helped build the camps that the United States [later] attacked.
http://emperors-clothes.com/docs/camps.htm "
..... are you like some sort of saddam supporter who believes in dictatorships or something?? since when are beliefs that differ from the ruling regime illegal? i almost hope one day you end up a political prisoner..but honestly i wouldn't wish that on anyone.
b) i care.
due to your lack of insight and empathy one can only assume you suffer some sort of mental disability. Just because you don't see americans slaughtering people on TV doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Change the channel there's other stations than FOX you know.
Come back after removing the dick from your ass.
bdavid
10-25-2004, 10:49 AM
Forgive me if I fail to express sympathy for some guy running around Afghanistan. Lets all throw our support to him. I mean what a hero he is. tell you what, after I 'spare a thought' for families of dead soldiers, people who donate the majority of their net income to charity, spend countless thankless hours doing social work for no reward, maybe then I'll give a shit about some asshole who went to Afghanistan. And who gives a flying fuck whether the US supported the Taliban? So I am to assume this jerk didn't factor in any risk when he went there? If you want to put yourself in a dangerous situation then oh, well. It's like asking me to 'spare a thought' for some guy who gets killed climbing Everest.
Spare a thought my ass.
Whois
10-25-2004, 05:24 PM
Forgive me if I fail to express sympathy for some guy running around Afghanistan. Lets all throw our support to him. I mean what a hero he is. tell you what, after I 'spare a thought' for families of dead soldiers, people who donate the majority of their net income to charity, spend countless thankless hours doing social work for no reward, maybe then I'll give a shit about some asshole who went to Afghanistan. And who gives a flying fuck whether the US supported the Taliban? So I am to assume this jerk didn't factor in any risk when he went there? If you want to put yourself in a dangerous situation then oh, well. It's like asking me to 'spare a thought' for some guy who gets killed climbing Everest.
Spare a thought my ass.
Congratulations on making an ass of yourself.
Hint:
"tell you what, after I 'spare a thought' for families of dead soldiers"
"So I am to assume this jerk didn't factor in any risk when he went there? If you want to put yourself in a dangerous situation then oh, well. It's like asking me to 'spare a thought' for some guy who gets killed climbing Everest."
bdavid
10-26-2004, 05:48 AM
That's their job. So no, you're wrong.
One is following orders. The other is doing something for himself.
tell you what, after I 'spare a thought' for families of dead soldiers, Why should we? Nobody forced them to join, they did it on their own free will. They knew the risks and they died. David Hicks has not been given any access to any sort of legal representation. He's been kept prisoner in Camp X-Ray since December 2001.
David has not been charged with any crime in Australia. He has not been charged with any crime in Afghanistan. He is detained without charge, without trial and without access to family or consular assistance. Let's imagine that you or a friend or a family member happened to be with some people who were arrested by the cops, for some reason. You or your friend get locked up and never charged with anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You never get the chance to explain what happened and even if you were doing something wrong, you don't even get sentenced to a punishment. They beat you and treat you like an animal. You're not allowed to speak to your family or anybody and there's no end in sight.
Is this the type of justice you support? David Hicks is luckier to be in Camp X-Ray than those people in Abu Ghraib, except for the ones who were released (without explanation). Or maybe what happens to people in Camp X-Ray is far more horrible than Abu Ghraib, we'll never know, will we?
Do you really want four more years of this? Can you honestly say that you support the practice of imprisoning people infdefinitely, without any legal reason? Would you like this to be in your constitution, part of the Patriot Act, maybe? Perhaps you will get this. The GOP are already mangling the Constitution and denying people their rights, give them another four years and they'll be locking up Americans who don't join the Army or who don't vote for the right candidate. Why shouldn't this happen in the US?
bdavid
10-26-2004, 06:28 AM
I didn't realize only GOP members support the Patriot Act.
I didn't realize only GOP members support the Patriot Act. I asked if you support the imprisonment without trial of people like David Hicks. By your comments in this thread, I guess you do.
bdavid
10-26-2004, 06:46 AM
My point is this- The author of this thread asks us to make special note of this person. He doesn't take the time to take note of thousands of other people living in hardship, but he takes special note of this guy. I am going to assume that this person, by virtue of living in Afghansitan and travelling with the Taliban, was not supporting the United States. Am I wrong in that assumption? Maybe, but somehow I doubt it.
My problem is this- Why does this person, who most likely was working against the US deserve any sympathy from myself when there are many other people more deserving of my sympathy and support. thanks, but no thanks.
Whois
10-26-2004, 09:21 AM
That's their job. So no, you're wrong.
One is following orders. The other is doing something for himself.
The soldiers volunteered to join the military, thus deliberately placing themselves in a dangerous situation.
You've contradicted yourself...
Pres Zount
10-26-2004, 09:33 AM
My problem is this- Why does this person, who most likely was working against the US deserve any sympathy from myself when there are many other people more deserving of my sympathy and support. thanks, but no thanks.
We don't know the names of every one in guantanamo bay. Mambdou Habib (sp?) is the only other name that I know, because he is also australian, and he was not even part of the taliban. He was picked up in Pakistan on a bus because it was in 'danger zone'.
Like you, I think everyone in prison there deserves our sympathy and our interest - but david hicks is the one that is mostly in the news here in australia, which is why "The author of this thread", hellojello, singled him out. get the names and stories of everyone in Guantanamo Bay and then we can feel sorry for them on a personal level.
bdavid
10-26-2004, 09:56 AM
Well I wouldn't really feel sorry for them either.
Maybe we should spare a thought for all the women the Taliban oppressed, not members of the Taliban. Oh, ok- He wasn't with the Taliban. He was out there planting a freaking garden and playing with butterflies.
bdavid
10-26-2004, 09:58 AM
The soldiers volunteered to join the military, thus deliberately placing themselves in a dangerous situation.
You've contradicted yourself...
No I haven't. Duty to country is not the same as placing yourself in a dangerous situation so you can travel with the Taliban.
Well I wouldn't really feel sorry for them either.
Maybe we should spare a thought for all the women the Taliban oppressed, not members of the Taliban. Oh, ok- He wasn't with the Taliban. He was out there planting a freaking garden and playing with butterflies. BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HE WAS DOING THERE OR WHY, BECAUSE HE'S NEVER BEEN GIVEN THE CHANCE TO EXPLAIN HIMSELF.
his preliminary hearing is Nov. 1st, 2004
He was captured in December, 2001.
Do you feel sorry that he's been imprisoned without a fair (or any) trial for so long.
That is the question.
My point is this- The author of this thread asks us to make special note of this person. He doesn't take the time to take note of thousands of other people living in hardship, but he takes special note of this guy. The point is that the US is subjecting thousands of people like David Hicks to imprisonment and torture, without being charged of any crime.
THIS IS ILLEGAL.
DO YOU SUPPORT THIS?
You refuse to answer my question because you know you are wrong.
Whois
10-26-2004, 12:01 PM
No I haven't. Duty to country is not the same as placing yourself in a dangerous situation so you can travel with the Taliban.
You said:
"If you want to put yourself in a dangerous situation then oh, well. It's like asking me to 'spare a thought' for some guy who gets killed climbing Everest."
It's your analogy, you fix it...
bdavid
10-26-2004, 12:07 PM
There's nothing to fix. Read the quote.
I'm still waiting for an answer.
Or does your silence indicate that you have been officially :eek: wned?
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