I'm not a fascist.

[jts92]

I'm not, I promise... and yet, I'm voting for George Bush. I'm voting for George Bush, and I'm a Beasties fan. (Actually seeing them the day after the election.) Is there a palce for me in this world? Or even as a Beasties fan?

I'm not sure what the point of this message is, except to say that reasonable, rational people can disagree, and I am disappointed with those that try to cast all republicans or those that differ with them on issues as bad people.

Do you think its possible I could be a reasonable man? A rational man? Even a nice man?

And what do you think the Beasties would say if I met them? Go away because I disagree with you? Or perhaps they would recognize that this is America, and its ok for us to disagree and still share the same tastes in music.

[D_Raay]

Is there a palce for me in this world? Or even as a Beasties fan?
Certainly there is. Just might not want to take the Sisko or Robofoo approach to it. I disagree with Bush and Kerry.

[jts92]

Thanks for your comment. I haven't been here too long, but I sure haven't seen too many Bush supporters.

I guess its a weird thing, but as a young (31) conservative guy, its weird for me to have all these muisicians so angry about this election, and they sometimes makeme feel unwanted. I'm not whining, I just think that people need to learn to disagree, and understand that music is just music. What do you think about my question about the beasties? Would they tell me to hit the road if they met me and found out I was a big Bush supporter? I'd like to think no.

[DroppinScience]

I think you'll find most of our contempt for the Bush supporters is that they are BLINDLY following Bush.

It's as if they ignore everything he's accomplished (or not accomplished rather) but still will throw their unconditional support. Often they get unintelligent and moronic (every other word is misspelled, they cite outdated "facts" or complete fiction, etc.).

That's the beef.

[D_Raay]

Thanks for your comment. I haven't been here too long, but I sure haven't seen too many Bush supporters.

I guess its a weird thing, but as a young (31) conservative guy, its weird for me to have all these muisicians so angry about this election, and they sometimes makeme feel unwanted. I'm not whining, I just think that people need to learn to disagree, and understand that music is just music. What do you think about my question about the beasties? Would they tell me to hit the road if they met me and found out I was a big Bush supporter? I'd like to think no.
The Beasties i believe would welcome your company, but maybe not want to argue politics with you. I have many republican friends and we just take funny barbs at each other about it, we never argue. Friendship is more important than these buffoons running our country.

[DroppinScience]

The Beasties i believe would welcome your company, but maybe not want to argue politics with you. I have many republican friends and we just take funny barbs at each other about it, we never argue. Friendship is more important than these buffoons running our country.

I agree. I got a handful of conservative friends. While we have our occasional barbs about it, we don't hold our views against each other.

If a person is great but they hold conservative views, I see that only as a character flaw. ;)

If the person is an ass to begin with and just happens to be conservative, then I'll hold it against them. :p

[jts92]

Good to hear there are some friednlies here. I think you mightbe right- the guys seem so cool, they'd be ok with a Republican, just not want to argue about it.

If friendship couldn't get past politics, I'd be introuble. My wife (who is also the coolest person in the world, and better than I deserve) agrees with me on very few issues. Yet we can laugh when we go cancel out each others vote on election day.

[robofoo76]

Certainly there is. Just might not want to take the Sisko or Robofoo approach to it. I disagree with Bush and Kerry.
I'm trying to remember where I acted that way. If you don't mind point it out to me so I can correct that please. I may have got carried away at some point,some times I forget that these are FONTS that we live by on this board.

[D_Raay]

I'm trying to remember where I acted that way. If you don't mind point it out to me so I can correct that please. I may have got carried away at some point,some times I forget that these are FONTS that we live by on this board.
I may be mistaken robofoo and for that I apologize. I noticed your earlier thread and avatar and I made an assumption. Bit arrogant to come into this forum with that avatar.

[krs5446]

I think you'll find most of our contempt for the Bush supporters is that they are BLINDLY following Bush.

It's as if they ignore everything he's accomplished (or not accomplished rather) but still will throw their unconditional support. Often they get unintelligent and moronic (every other word is misspelled, they cite outdated "facts" or complete fiction, etc.).

That's the beef.


I dont spend all my time typing on a computer so sometimes i mispell trying to rush a response to some stupid liberals conspiracy theory. that they call a fact. i actually have a life outside of here.

[DroppinScience]

I dont spend all my time typing on a computer so sometimes i mispell trying to rush a response to some stupid liberals conspiracy theory. that they call a fact. i actually have a life outside of here.

No, I'm not talking about the odd typo. That's excusable.

It's when practically every word is misspelled because the person DIDN'T PASS GRADE SCHOOL!

Take gmsisko's stuff: "You librals are wrong! You will loose this election!"

Even when we tell him it's "lose" he'll continue to type "LOOSE" :rolleyes:

[krs5446]

No, I'm not talking about the odd typo. That's excusable.

It's when practically every word is misspelled because the person DIDN'T PASS GRADE SCHOOL!

Take gmsisko's stuff: "You librals are wrong! You will loose this election!"

Even when we tell him it's "lose" he'll continue to type "LOOSE" :rolleyes:
Thats funny. im not saying that i spell everything right either but you know that as soon as you make a typo someone is right there to call you an idiot. Bush cant spell so great either isnt that enough fuel for the LIBRAL fire.(jk)

[ASsman]

Meh, I'll stay out of this as long as I can.

And what do you think the Beasties would say if I met them? Go away because I disagree with you?
Yah I wouldn't tell a slave owner to buzz off simply because I disagree with him. We would probably have some drinks, and walk on the beach ...etc.

[jts92]

A slave owner? See, that's the stuff I'm talking about. Why can't we disagree on politics without you saying things like that? I'm a racist because I have a different perspective on some issues?

[ASsman]

a·nal·o·gy Audio pronunciation of "analogy" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-nl-j)
n. pl. a·nal·o·gies

1.
1. Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.
2. A comparison based on such similarity. See Synonyms at likeness.
2. Biology. Correspondence in function or position between organs of dissimilar evolutionary origin or structure.
3. A form of logical inference or an instance of it, based on the assumption that if two things are known to be alike in some respects, then they must be alike in other respects.
4. Linguistics. The process by which words or morphemes are re-formed or created on the model of existing grammatical patterns in a language, often leading to greater regularity in paradigms, as evidenced by helped replacing holp and holpen as the past tense and past participle of help on the model of verbs such as yelp, yelped, yelped.

[jts92]

So how is voting for Bush analagous to being a slave owner?

[ASsman]

Do you want one answer or a list?

Ill give you a small list.
1. You are trying to argue that it's ok to believe in anything, and support whomever. You are right. But then it get's into the whole you can't scream "fire" e.g in a crowded theater. It is not protected under your first amendmant right.(you see where I might be going with this?). So if something you do effects someone else in a negative way, and infridges upon someone elses rights, is this not to be looked down upon?

2. Opions :
o·pin·ion Audio pronunciation of "opinions" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pnyn)
n.

1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).


but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof
Hmmm, so as my High School English teacher use to say "Opinions are worth their weight in gold, and they weight how much?". Of course the answer to this is nothing. Opinions are worthless, you want to argue based on opinions? Let's go at it.
Me: I think you suck
You: I think you suck
Me: NO YOU SUCK
You: NO YOU SUCK

Hmm not going far are we?
Wouldn't it be nice to bring in some FACTS!?

fact Audio pronunciation of "facts" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fkt)
n.

1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.
2.
1. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed: Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an undisputed fact.
2. A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the case.
3. Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with mistaken facts.

Facts are your friend. Use them. (of course we get into the whole bullshit biased news we get to see everyday, this being substatiated on other threads which I cannot seem to find right now.)

3. So we are back to Bush, and why we or rather I shouldn't "bash" on them. I don't, atleast I tried not to. And whenever we get someone who isn't as much of an asshole as others have been, I try to calm everyone and him down. And we take baby steps towards the light (being the truth). So no I don't simply BASH on every single Bush supporter. I do when the person is clearly educated and ignorance isn't to blame. These people are usualy assholes, and I treat them as such. Other people like Gmsisko simply can't acknoledge any factual material that goes against his principles. Would you like a president that did that?

---- Im sure if Ace were here he would do a much better job, he should be on later----
Oh and I think both canidates are a bunch of dirty sons of bitches. Neither are fit for office. (that is my opinion, I'll try to find the threads where this is proven. In the meantime, read this)

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=22958

[Ace42]

So how is voting for Bush analagous to being a slave owner?

Indeed, there are similarities in otherwise dissimilar things, as Assman quite rightly pointed out. The only real correction I'd make to his post is "weigh" instead of "weight" - "opinions weigh nothing"

But, more precisely, it is analogous to *voting for* the ownership of slaves. While a candidate has a right to stand on a pro-slavery / segregatory platform, and people have a right to vote for him based on that platform, it doesn't make it morally acceptable just because it is a "right." Nor is it a difference of a opinion you can "just respect." If someone started talking at length about why they are pro-slavery, you (as a right-thinking and respectable member of a progressive society) would feel quite disgusted and make judgements about them as a person. Well, voting for Bush is pro-descrimination against homosexuals, pro-descrimination against the poor. Pro-unconstitutional and illegal wars, etc etc. Even if you are not specifically for these policies, voting for him defacto supports them.

[krs5446]

i have read anasazis link and these are outwrite lies. Why read this thread? just watch f 9/11 to see what he is trying to explain. you will also see that these are lies and news clips that have been cut only to show what they want you to see so they can sway you in a certain direction and all of you know this. also all of anasazi's links are to liberal sites, CBS, THE GAURDIAN? are you kidding me? these are link to partisan lies DO NOT BELIEVE THEM.

[ASsman]

Your ignorance amuses me ,and profoundly disturbs me at the same time.

[krs5446]

i really think that. but i hope you dont think it makes me a bad person. im sure you want to kill me, you can admit it. The Guardian is lib will you admit that?

[Ace42]

THE GAURDIAN? are you kidding me? these are link to partisan lies DO NOT BELIEVE THEM.

The Guardian is a very highly respected UK newspaper. Being a UK newspaper, it is NOT partisan, because it has no specific interest in either US political party.

You are the one believing the lies, wake up and smell the joe.

news clips that have been cut only to show what they want you to see

BS.

http://www.thesmokehammer.com/ <-- that is what "cut up and reordered" news footage looks like. Notice how fake and choppy it sounds? Notice how blatantly obvious it is that it is not real?

Now, I assume you have not watched F9/11, having made your mind up beforehand based on the smear machine. I advise you do, and then you will go "oh, look, it hasn't been totally mangled."

Let me guess, when the Halliburton spokesman in F9/11 was saying "we'll make serious money in Iraq" - Michael Moore cut out the bit when he then went on to say "And we'll use every last cent of it to rebuild Iraq and pay compensation to the families of innocent Iraqis that we killed" - T&F.

Seriously, you need to get with the program.

[krs5446]

dude, i have seen f 9/11, it was fucked up. R.E.M. a band that supports Kerry and dem's playing shiny happy people while showing bush shaking hands with the saudis was funny, dead iraqi babies was scary and the iraqi citizens shouting they hate the U.S. was disheartning but the overall message i got was that moore hates america and blames us and the government for the rest of the worlds mistakes. he portrayed iraq as a great happy place with people shopping and kids running in the yard flying kites, thats nice but far from the truth, we have all seen the executions and torture caused by saddam. i didnt see any of that in moores movie. i cant believe you actually fell for moores shit, that novie sucked. watch celsius 41.11 ive seen them both have you? hmmm.

[krs5446]

he also showed how bush rigged the election in FL. this is BS! the panhandle in FL. is in a different time zone, these people were not done voting when CBS,CNN,MSNBC and other dem stations announced the winner prematurely. They jumped the gun. FOX waited for the vote to actually be over before reporting and they catch all this shit. and then moore wants to slander his version all over his movie. i'll tell you what Micheal Moore is the real smear machine in this country. we should send him to iraq, i bet they would love him.

[ASsman]

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: Fox was the first network to call Florida for Bush. Before that, some other networks had called Florida for Gore, and they changed after Fox called it for Bush.

* “With information provided from the Voter News Service, NBC was the first network to project Gore the winner in Florida at 7:48 pm. At 7:50 pm ,CNN and CBS project Gore the winner in Florida as well.” By 8:02 pm , all five networks and the Associated Press had called Gore the winner in Florida. Even the VNS called Gore the winner at 7:52 pm. At 2:16 am, Fox calls Florida for Bush, NBC follows at 2:16 am. ABC is the last network to call the Florida for Bush, at 2:20 am, while AP and VNS never call Florida for Bush. CNN:

http://www.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/stories/02/02/

Ten minutes after the top of the hour, network excitement was again beginning to build. At 2:16 a.m., the call was made: Fox News Channel, with Bush's first cousin John Ellis running its election desk, was the first to project Florida -- and the presidency -- for the Texas governor. Within minutes, the other networks followed suit. "George Bush, Governor of Texas will become the 43rd President of the United States," CNN's Bernard Shaw announced atop a graphic montage of a smiling Bush. "At 18 minutes past two o'clock Eastern time, CNN declares that George Walker Bush has won Florida's 25 electoral votes and this should put him over the top."PBS: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/media/election2000/

FAHRENHEIT 9/11: The man who was in charge of the decision desk at FOX on election night was Bush’s first cousin, John Ellis.

* “John Ellis, a first cousin of George W. Bush, ran the network's ‘decision desk’ during the 2000 election, and Fox was the first to name Bush the winner. Earlier, Ellis had made six phone calls to Cousin Bush during the vote-counting.” William O’Rourke, “Talk Radio Key to GOP Victory,” Chicago Sun-Times, December 3, 2002.


A Fox News consultant, John Ellis, who made judgments about presidential ‘calls’ on Election Night admits he was in touch with George W. Bush and FL Gov. Jeb Bush by telephone several times during the night, but denies breaking any rules. CNN, November 14, 2000; http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/

John Ellis, the Fox consultant who called Florida early for George Bush, had to stop writing about the campaign for the Boston Globe because of family ‘loyalty’ to Bush. CBS News, http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2000/ , November 14, 2000.


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Shall I wait for you to recover?

[Ace42]

but the overall message i got was that moore hates america and blames us and the government for the rest of the worlds mistakes.

How is the US invading Iraq "the rest of the world's mistakes" ? And the overall message the world has for America is that they hate you. In that respect, it is an accurate portrayl of international sentiment.

he portrayed iraq as a great happy place with people shopping and kids running in the yard flying kites, thats nice but far from the truth,

Iraq was a lot more progressive under Saddam than it is now. Under Saddam they had electricity and technology. It was very safe there except when there was a war going on with Iran (both sides used chemical weapons) or when the US was bombing them. If it was so bad, why do so many of the Iraqis want the US to back the fuck off?

we have all seen the executions and torture caused by saddam.

No, you haven't. Unless you are trying to compare "Three Kings" to F9/11. Your understanding of Iraq under Saddam is, like all your opinions, based on supposition and a "general feeling" about how it was. Not actual concrete facts. Remember, you all heard about the "incubator babies" that Saddam's soldiers threw on the cold hospital floors and left to die. Remember Colin Powell showed the UN video testimony of an eye-witness. Remember that eye-witness was the daughter of the Kuwaiti embassador, who had been living in the US at the time, and hadn't actually seen it at all. What you have seen is lies and propoganda demonising a legitimate soverign nation, and now when presented with facts from numerous genuine sources, you are saying "that can't be true, because it doesn't agree with the propoganda I saw 10 years ago that has been proven to be false and a load of bollocks"

That just makes you a stooge.

i cant believe you actually fell for moores shit, that novie sucked. watch celsius 41.11 ive seen them both have you? hmmm.

I have read all of the criticisms of F9/11 that have flooded the internet, including Dave Knoeppel's website which I gather Celsius was in no small part based on. And, having read this, I can tell you that the criticisms are generally of the "so weak a child could point out the flaws in the logic" variety.

"Fell for Moore's shit" ? He was just repeating (in a dumbed down yank way) what everyone else had been saying for decades. It's not like he pointed out the Bush / Cheney / Halliburton / Taliban links and then the rest of the world remote history and newspaper articles 1984 style just to try and prove Moore right. Check the dates on the articles, they were written BEFORE Moore. They weren't written by psychics who could see the future, and knew George would start a war with Afghanistan, so made up these articles 10+ years before hand, just to catch him out.

Use common sense FFS.

[krs5446]

How is the US invading Iraq "the rest of the world's mistakes" ? And the overall message the world has for America is that they hate you. In that respect, it is an accurate portrayl of international sentiment.[/QOUTE]
How is saddams rape,torture,mass murder and genocide our fault? its not. thats why we stayed after not finding WMD's to get his ass. or maybe when you say progress you are talking about the many years and sanctions saddam luaghed at the U.N. over do you call that progress? i dont.


Iraq was a lot more progressive under Saddam than it is now. Under Saddam they had electricity and technology. It was very safe there except when there was a war going on with Iran (both sides used chemical weapons) or when the US was bombing them. If it was so bad, why do so many of the Iraqis want the US to back the fuck off?[/QOUTE]
that is a joke!

During the civil war they destroyed homes and trashed the whole north and south its war man, of course living conditions are gonna suck now. but that is not our fault. you dont think our people actually want to help iraq? are you saying that we are all laughing at iraq? thats what you make it sound like.more progressive under saddam, thats not what the rest of the world agrees on. your by yourself on that one.


No, you haven't. Unless you are trying to compare "Three Kings" to F9/11. Your understanding of Iraq under Saddam is, like all your opinions, based on supposition and a "general feeling" about how it was. Not actual concrete facts. Remember, you all heard about the "incubator babies" that Saddam's soldiers threw on the cold hospital floors and left to die. Remember Colin Powell showed the UN video testimony of an eye-witness. Remember that eye-witness was the daughter of the Kuwaiti embassador, who had been living in the US at the time, and hadn't actually seen it at all. What you have seen is lies and propoganda demonising a legitimate soverign nation, and now when presented with facts from numerous genuine sources, you are saying "that can't be true, because it doesn't agree with the propoganda I saw 10 years ago that has been proven to be false and a load of bollocks"

That just makes you a stooge.[/QOUTE]
would you like the web address to watch the torture video's? this is not fake shit! it is disgusting and scary!



I have read all of the criticisms of F9/11 that have flooded the internet, including Dave Knoeppel's website which I gather Celsius was in no small part based on. And, having read this, I can tell you that the criticisms are generally of the "so weak a child could point out the flaws in the logic" variety.

"Fell for Moore's shit" ? He was just repeating (in a dumbed down yank way) what everyone else had been saying for decades. It's not like he pointed out the Bush / Cheney / Halliburton / Taliban links and then the rest of the world remote history and newspaper articles 1984 style just to try and prove Moore right. Check the dates on the articles, they were written BEFORE Moore. They weren't written by psychics who could see the future, and knew George would start a war with Afghanistan, so made up these articles 10+ years before hand, just to catch him out.

Use common sense FFS.

He was just repeating what stupid liberals have been saying for decades and you know it. use common sense.

sorry i dont know how to split the qoutes, maybe you can help me on that one.

[Ace42]

If by "stupid liberals" you mean "actual unbiased news sources" then you are correct.

And are you saying these "stupid liberals" knew in advance that George Bush jnr was going to be elected and wage war on the Taliban and Iraq 10 years ago?

You do know how stupid you sound?

[ASsman]

Arguing with your opinion. Nice job, we use facts and actual events, while you use your sad excuse for assumptions. Unless you can argue something better than "Yes you did" " Nuh uh" "Nuh uh". I suggest you leave these boards until you are able to debate and argue correctly.I would apreciate it if you wouldn't continue insulting us, and these forums with your conjectures. We don't need another gmsisko.

[krs5446]

Maybe, i dont know. but as soon as you admit f9/11 was BS then i'll stop arguing. im not saying you have to say go BUSH cause i know you hate him and me. but admit it that movie sucked. or how about the part where the lady is like, im a republican, go Bush and my family is a war family just watch me hang my flag outside, go U.S.A.! then when her son dies in the war shes like, i hate the government its their fault my son died boohoo. her son was a hero he did not die in vain like his own mother now says. that is disgusting and moore should be ashamed of himself. preying on innocent families in turmoil to push his own cuase, what a f'n loser.

[krs5446]

Arguing with your opinion. Nice job, we use facts and actual events, while you use your sad excuse for assumptions. Unless you can argue something better than "Yes you did" " Nuh uh" "Nuh uh". I suggest you leave these boards until you are able to debate and argue correctly.I would apreciate it if you wouldn't continue insulting us, and these forums with your conjectures. We don't need another gmsisko.
tell me what facts you have supplied other than what cnn or canadian news says you are biased that is my point. i dont litter this board with fox news links or drudge to argue my point. i watch and listen and respond accordingly, whats wrong with that. by the way want to see some of saddams torture video's? of course you dont, cuase you dont want to see the real saddam iraq. oh yea and i dont need a partner you two to argue my point.

[Ace42]

Maybe, i dont know. but as soon as you admit f9/11 was BS then i'll stop arguing.

You're going to have to be more specific, because many of the allegations made by Moore in that film are undeniable fact. Noam Chomsky was talking about the Caspian Sea pipeline during the previous Iraq war. And low and behold, check any UK newspaper for 2-3 years ago, and you'll see that his dream has become a reality. But it's just coincidence that what Chomsky predicted and Moore criticises has ACTUALLY HAPPENED isn't it? Or let me guess, every single newspaper or TV station that has carried the story, is "liberally biased" - irrespective of the stance they take on any other story. Don't you think that it is a bit curious that every news source you criticise of being "liberal-biased" has only one thing in common? That they disprove an unfounded conjecture made by you? Or is that the point? You are using the phrase "liberal bias" in a purely private sense to mean "anything that disagrees with me" ?

or how about the part where the lady is like, im a republican, go Bush and my family is a war family just watch me hang my flag outside, go U.S.A.!

There are plenty of flag-waving morons like that. Are you saying that it is not a typical example? If so, you are sadly mistaken.

then when her son dies in the war shes like, i hate the government its their fault my son died boohoo. her son was a hero he did not die in vain like his own mother now says.

Urm, check the news, yes he did. Bush said "mission accomplished" and now even his own advisors are saying there are more Al Qaeda operatives in Iraq than there were before. The US army has had NO effect on WMDs in Iraq whatsoever (There were 0 before, there are 0 now, thus there was 0 change) and the county is more dangerous and unpleasant than he was before.

What has her son's death accomplished in your opinion? The mission he helped "accomplish" has only made things worse for everyone. That's not just dying in vain, that's dying for a lie. And how do you know her son was a hero? How do you know he wasn't raping Iraqi corspes he had slotted, and burying them in the desert where no-one will find them? Let me guess, all you need to know about a soldier is that they are dead and American, and that is enough to call them a hero. For all you know, he could've been selling US weapons on the black market to Iraqi insurgents. Yeah, the chances are he is a bog standard average US soldier, but that doesn't change the fact that YET AGAIN you are making assumptions about him based on pure conjecture. Were the soldiers that were torturing Iraqis in Abu Ghraib "heroes" ? Why not? Because unlike this guy, they survived?

that is disgusting and moore should be ashamed of himself. preying on innocent families in turmoil to push his own cuase, what a f'n loser.

"Preying on innocent families" - he's not the guy with the gun in someone elses countries dragging people out of their homes and chucking them in a jail where his buddies can brutalise them. What's 20,000 innocent people dead if not "preying on innocent families" ? What is forcing thousands of young men and women to go to a foreign country to die for a pile of lies, if not "preying on innocent families" ?

Are you saying Moore forced the woman to make her speech at gunpoint against her will? That the poor grief-stricken woman didn't know what she was saying?

FFS, pull your head out of your ass.

by the way want to see some of saddams torture video's? of course you dont, cuase you dont want to see the real saddam iraq.

I'd be very interested to see them, considering that THERE AREN'T ANY. Even the US troops in Abu Ghraib knew better than to video it. Shame they didn't think about NOT PHOTOGRAPHING IT too though.

[ASsman]

Fuck it.

[krs5446]

no WMD's what the hell did he use to gas the kurds, laughing gas? your head is in the clouds. and i dont believe any U.K. newspapers with opinions on our president and i hope no american does. if i knew how to split your qoutes from my responses i would destroy you.;)
go to ogrish.com then talk to me.

[ASsman]

Nuh uh.

[Ace42]

no WMD's what the hell did he use to gas the kurds, laughing gas?

Poison gas is a chemical weapon, but it is not a "weapon of mass destruction" in any meaningful sense. Furthermore, the Hallabja incident was over a decade before the FIRST Iraq war, and before he was required to by UN sanctions. Want further proof that he was perfectly entitled to use chemical weapons? What about the fact that the US and UK were the ones to sell it to them? Or the fact that Winston Churchill advocated using gas on the people of that region?

Oh, and it is quite possible that it was IRAN that gassed the Kurds:
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/GaseousLies.htm

But, ignoring all of this (as you no doubt will) - check your own goddamn news and your own goddamn president's words on the matter. THERE ARE NO WMDS IN IRAQ. Haven't been for a decade. The whole world knows this, except for you.

your head is in the clouds.

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=35796&highlight=bush+supporters+touch

Sorry pal, but that's you. The fact that you think my head is in the clouds merely illustrates how delusional you are.

and i dont believe any U.K. newspapers with opinions on our president and i hope no american does.

That is why you do not know what you are talking about, why you are unable to provide a single fact to support your conjecture, why every statement you have made has been proven to be false, and why you do not know the first thing about politics, history, or even logical / rational arguement.

If you did, maybe you wouldn't be such an ignorant and deluded moron. You are a waste of space and a waste of oxygen. We have given you the benefit of the doubt, but this says it all. You are wasting your time, and you are wasting our time. Get your ass gone, because your pointless conjecture won't make you any friends or sway anyone's opinions here, and we certainly don't care about opinions based on stubborn stupidity.

if i knew how to split your qoutes from my responses i would destroy you.;)
go to ogrish.com then talk to me.

I am not going to talk to you again, because you are not worth my time. I have proven you wrong time and time again. I have even had to post the words of Woodrow Wilson to illustrate just how totally wrong your understanding of history is. And unlike current affairs which are subject to spin, this is "set in stone" history that there is no excuse for not knowing.

Do yourself a favour, take a long look in the mirror, and come to terms with the fact that you do not know what you are talking about. You are an imbercile. For future reference, just think about a point you are trying to make, think long and hard, and then choose to believe the EXACT OPPOSITE - that way you are more likely to be right.

Welcome to my ignore list, retard. Enjoy your stay with Sisko and Pham. There is no point arguing the facts with someone who is convinced that the sky is brown and the grass is purple.

[SobaViolence]

ace fucking owned you, douche.

[DroppinScience]

See, THIS is why we hate most conservatives.

JTS, just don't be a prick like KRS here and we'll love you. Deal?

[Ali]

The Guardian is a very highly respected UK newspaper. Bollocks! Even I will tell you that the Guardian is a load of snivelling tripe, as bad as Fox for biased reporting.

[Ali]

ace fucking owned you, douche. Big fukn deal. It's like winning a debate with a three-year old. I don't know why you guys don't just ignore this nitwit instead of homouring him, there's so little point and it makes for very dull reading.

[yeahwho]

This ompletely started as a nice non threatening thread stating an opinion and you dipshits ruined it....as usual. :rolleyes:


montypgirl, your are right. Good call. :)

[ASsman]

Yah, we are sorry. O wait, here my opinion. No we didn't ,and you are an inbred. But of course it's only my opinion so I can't be wrong.

[jegtar]

1. You are trying to argue that it's ok to believe in anything, and support whomever.

Actually, he isn't arguing anything

[Ace42]

Bollocks! Even I will tell you that the Guardian is a load of snivelling tripe, as bad as Fox for biased reporting.

I hope that is irony.

[robofoo76]

I may be mistaken robofoo and for that I apologize. I noticed your earlier thread and avatar and I made an assumption. Bit arrogant to come into this forum with that avatar.
to each his own I guess. I basically chose that avatar just to watch some people get pissed. Out of fun :)

[krs5446]

basically if someone disagrees with you then they are an un-educated, inbred hick. that is so stupid. and what threats have been made?almost everyone has done nothing but call me names. I have not attacked any of you on this thread personally but on the contrary ace among others wont stop the debuachery of this message board. if you dont agree with me or my favorite news source then you are stupid, that is exactly what ace and specific others are saying. look, ALL of the news stations tell lies, none are fair and balanced like they all claim to be, we all know this to be true. also i have commented on all of your intelligence and thanked you for taking the time to respond to me. sorry if you dont think that my threads are any good. i dint know that only some people can post here, under the supervision of people like ace42 and assman who i have also been very nice to. if you dont believe me then read some of my threads. but never the less be careful or you might anger the high and mighty ace42. thanks guys, to me it looks like you ruined not just the thread but the whole board by not letting anyone who disagrees post with you. turn your cheek and plug your ears, this is what has gotten the world into deep shit today and it is not the answer. Kris

[drobertson420]

"Poison gas is a chemical weapon, but it is not a "weapon of mass destruction" in any meaningful sense"



Set a few off in Downtown Manhatten and see how much DESTRUCTION of human lives occur...

I am Voting for Bush, but I come here to get Edumacated :D
A lot of post here are very interesting, and sometimes I comment.
Sometimes, directly from my anus! ;)

Coming here to trying and convince someone to change is like going to an All-Female board and trying to convince them to be Men. :D

One day, we'll pull together and stop being "Us and Them".
Until then, we will continue on a downward spiral of hatred and division.
Peace.

[drobertson420]

Bollocks! Even I will tell you that the Guardian is a load of snivelling tripe, as bad as Fox for biased reporting.




Isn't The Guardian the paper that had readers write letters to voters in Ohio,
to try and sway them towards Kerry?

The reply letters were funny. Some nice;Some not.
"Piss off and mind your own business" and stuff like that. :D

oh wait here it is...http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1329858,00.html

[Ace42]

"Poison gas is a chemical weapon, but it is not a "weapon of mass destruction" in any meaningful sense"

Set a few off in Downtown Manhatten and see how much DESTRUCTION of human lives occur...

To be a "weapon of mass destruction" it has to cause more damage or loss of life than comparable conventional weapons. It would take many mortar shells and favourable weather conditions for the mustard gas alleged to have been available to do significant damage. Several fragmentary mortars in a public place would cause as much damage. Napalm, whilst a proscribed "chemical agent" is not a "weapon of mass destruction" - despite being able to cause a similar amount of devastation to a comparable poison gas charge. The US still uses napalm in its operations.

[Whois]

The US still uses napalm in its operations.

No, napalm is illegal to use, so they renamed it...

[Ace42]

No, napalm is illegal to use, so they renamed it...

Whoops, forgot to add the quotation marks... "Napalm"

[Whois]

Whoops, forgot to add the quotation marks... "Napalm"

:D (y)

[drobertson420]

"...To be a "weapon of mass destruction" it has to cause more damage or loss of life than comparable conventional weapons. It would take many mortar shells and favourable weather conditions for the mustard gas alleged to have been available to do significant damage.


How about INSIDE The Lincoln Tunnel during rush-hour.....favourable* enough? ;)



*British Spelling ;)

[Ace42]

That is a good choice for chemical agents, however incendiary devices [Napalm] in the tunnel would have an equally dangerous effect. Quite possibly a worse one, as long tunnels have extractor fans to prevent car-fumes from building up. Ditto with high-explosives. Some C4, or a truck-bomb loaded with fertilizer based explosives would do a similar amount of damage, as well as causing fires, etc that would kill more people. Probably cause a cave-in too.

No-one's arguing chemical agents aren't nasty, but they were rendered obsolete circa WW1 because they were too difficult to use effectively. They are not any more "mass destructive" than a number of conventional explosives.

[drobertson420]

That is a good choice for chemical agents, however incendiary devices [Napalm] in the tunnel would have an equally dangerous effect. Quite possibly a worse one, as long tunnels have extractor fans to prevent car-fumes from building up. Ditto with high-explosives. Some C4, or a truck-bomb loaded with fertilizer based explosives would do a similar amount of damage, as well as causing fires, etc that would kill more people. Probably cause a cave-in too.

No-one's arguing chemical agents aren't nasty, but they were rendered obsolete circa WW1 because they were too difficult to use effectively. They are not any more "mass destructive" than a number of conventional explosives.

Anything inside the tunnel would be bad......the exhaust fans WOULD encourage fire,though :(

[drobertson420]

No, napalm is illegal to use, so they renamed it...


Now it's called "Fun-Jelly"

[Rancid_Beasties]

Isn't The Guardian the paper that had readers write letters to voters in Ohio,
to try and sway them towards Kerry?

The reply letters were funny. Some nice;Some not.
"Piss off and mind your own business" and stuff like that. :D

oh wait here it is...http://www.guardian.co.uk/uselections2004/story/0,13918,1329858,00.html

I took a look at that site, bloody funny shit. Especially these ones:

Please be advised that I have forwarded this to the CIA and FBI

If you want to have a meaningful election in your crappy little island full of shitty food and yellow teeth, then maybe you should try not to sell your sovereignty out to Brussels and Berlin, dipshit. Oh, yeah - and brush your goddamned teeth, you filthy animals

Its pretty much the standard uneducated crap that is found on this board from people like krs5446 every day. And although the guardian's actions are ill planned and quite destructive to the democrats campaign, i think theres still a place for international opinion. But i gotta admit its all good for a laugh :D

dont wait, move now. we dont want you here. sell out

This was what you said in response to my argument that went against your beliefs. And here you are shown to contradict yourself.

I have not attacked any of you on this thread personally...... you ruined not just the thread but the whole board by not letting anyone who disagrees post with you

There has been many occasions, in my short time on this board, that you have tried to attack those with whom you do not share a similar opinion. In fact I would say that you dont attack ace or assman because you know you can't win. You my dear dear sir are pure hypocrisy. Just like the regime you support.

[Whois]

Now it's called "Fun-Jelly"

I thought that was K-Y?

:eek:

[drobertson420]

I thought that was K-Y?

:eek:
LOL