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ClifRa JOnes
10-27-2004, 01:13 PM
I want to thank all you guys under the age of 30 that will have to foot the bill for my retirement. I am very grateful that you are going to support John Kerry for Pres. and he will do nothing to change the status quo on Social Security. Yes, I know you will have to take on the burden of an ever increasing payroll tax and that jobs will be hurt because of the increase in employer contributions to pay for my retirement and that of my older siblings who through thier blind obedience to KGB propaganda have created this mess. Who am I to argue with you. By the time your all broke and living in an economically depressed socialist country, I'll be dead. But hey! If that's not the future you want there is a way to change it. As John Conner's said (before the last film) There is no fate!

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Tales from the 'trust fund'
By Dick Armey
Published October 27, 2004

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Judging by the horror stories that John Kerry is telling about Social Security reform, Halloween started a little early at the Kerry campaign.

Remember that old cable television program, "Tales from the Crypt"? In his new campaign advertisement "January Surprise," the Massachusetts senator follows in its tradition by weaving a chilling narrative about President Bush's bold proposal for Personal Retirement Accounts (PRAs). It's an effort to mask the fact that Mr. Kerry has no plan of his own. And like the classic television show, this latest Kerry ad is pure fiction.

Mr. Kerry asserts that there's enough money in the Social Security Trust Fund to pay full benefits for the next 40 years, but like the demented Crypt Keeper he is presiding over an empty grave. The Social Security Trust Fund is full of meaningless government IOUs -- there are no real assets and we do not have 40 years to fix the problem. Social Security will run into the red in just 2018 as benefits paid exceed contributions to the system. If the program is not reformed soon, Congress will have to dramatically increase payroll taxes and cut benefits.

That's why Mr. Bush's PRA plan is the only solution that will save Social Security without increasing taxes or cutting benefits. PRAs will allow workers to devote a portion of their payroll taxes into personal accounts that they own and control. Similar to 401(k)s, PRAs will grow with the economy and provide each worker with the security of real assets in a nest egg. Mr. Kerry, instead of embracing PRAs or presenting his own alternative solution, has resorted to cheap, deceitful scare tactics. Here's the truth behind some of Kerry's Social Security urban legends:

Myth No. 1. PRAs will "privatize" Social Security. Personal Retirement Account plans do not "do away with" or "privatize" Social Security. Contributions in the form of payroll taxes will still be mandatory. While PRAs will be owned and controlled by individual workers, the government will still manage the overall program to prevent fraud and ensure security. In fact, a similar model already exists in the form of the successful Thrift Savings Plans that federal workers now enjoy. And, of course, current retirees, those near retirement and those receiving disability payments will still receive benefits as promised.

It is interesting that many who adamantly oppose personal retirement accounts already have their personal pensions in the stock market. Members of Congress and other federal workers can invest in private markets.

Mr. Kerry never fails to point out that "ordinary people" should have the same health care options as politicians. So why doesn't Mr. Kerry also support creating retirement savings options for ordinary people similar to those that politicians already enjoy?

Myth No. 2. PRAs will "cut benefits by 30 to 40 percent."

This is complete fiction. The truth is that PRAs will actually provide workers with greater benefits than the current system. After all, which would you rather have: a personal account that you can own and control and can pass on to your children, or an empty promise from Congress? In fact, Social Security program actuaries analyzed one PRA bill currently in Congress and found that it would increase benefits by 130 percent.

No doubt, it is the current system that shortchanges taxpayers: Workers retiring today can expect a measly rate of return of only 2 percent on their payroll taxes, compared with the 4.6 percent return in the market, as calculated by the Cato Institute. And regardless of Mr. Kerry's characterization of Social Security reform as "risky," market investment is safe over long periods of time -- even a worker retiring in the Great Depression would have had an average return of 4 percent had PRAs existed.

The real risk lies in sticking with the current system and doing nothing, as Mr. Kerry suggests. Social Security runs dry in just 14 years, and the program will face staggering benefit cuts and new taxes, further eroding the return on investment for American workers and retirees.

Myth No. 3. PRAs "would cost $2 trillion over 10 years." Mr. Kerry's campaign terror tale ignores reality. Social Security actually represents a massive unfunded liability on the order of $10.4 trillion. Therefore, Social Security reform will "cost" approximately $10.4 trillion no matter what we do. The question is how we solve the problem. In the near future, taxpayers will be stuck with this bill. Setting aside real assets in PRAs to deal with this enormous liability is not a taxpayer "cost": It's actually prudent, responsible public policy. If we do nothing, as Mr. Kerry suggests, the current Social Security system will begin running perpetual deficits in 2018 totaling nearly $1.8 trillion in new debt by 2028 alone. We can do better.

Mr. Kerry and the far left have told enough frightening tales about Social Security reform to fill a Stephen King novel, but they have yet to propose a solution to the crisis. While fictional ghost stories can be entertaining this time of year, Social Security reform is the most important non-defense issue facing Americans today. Mr. Kerry needs to stop his wildly irresponsible scare tactics and present a plan of his own to save Social Security.

Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey is co-chairman of FreedomWorks, a grassroots organization dedicated to lower taxes, less government and more freedom for all.

EN[i]GMA
10-27-2004, 01:43 PM
Dick Armey?

What's his wife's name, Vagina Coastgaurd?

Schmeltz
10-27-2004, 01:47 PM
Do you know how funny people in other countries think it is to hear John Kerry associated with the "far left"? Especially in countries with actual democracy.

Echewta
10-27-2004, 02:31 PM
Funny, I thought this was about the burden to the young people when the deficit hits them.

D_Raay
10-27-2004, 03:14 PM
I want to thank all you guys under the age of 30 that will have to foot the bill for my retirement. I am very grateful that you are going to support John Kerry for Pres. and he will do nothing to change the status quo on Social Security. Yes, I know you will have to take on the burden of an ever increasing payroll tax and that jobs will be hurt because of the increase in employer contributions to pay for my retirement and that of my older siblings who through thier blind obedience to KGB propaganda have created this mess. Who am I to argue with you. By the time your all broke and living in an economically depressed socialist country, I'll be dead. But hey! If that's not the future you want there is a way to change it. As John Conner's said (before the last film) There is no fate!

------------------------------------

Tales from the 'trust fund'
By Dick Armey
Published October 27, 2004

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Judging by the horror stories that John Kerry is telling about Social Security reform, Halloween started a little early at the Kerry campaign.

Remember that old cable television program, "Tales from the Crypt"? In his new campaign advertisement "January Surprise," the Massachusetts senator follows in its tradition by weaving a chilling narrative about President Bush's bold proposal for Personal Retirement Accounts (PRAs). It's an effort to mask the fact that Mr. Kerry has no plan of his own. And like the classic television show, this latest Kerry ad is pure fiction.

Mr. Kerry asserts that there's enough money in the Social Security Trust Fund to pay full benefits for the next 40 years, but like the demented Crypt Keeper he is presiding over an empty grave. The Social Security Trust Fund is full of meaningless government IOUs -- there are no real assets and we do not have 40 years to fix the problem. Social Security will run into the red in just 2018 as benefits paid exceed contributions to the system. If the program is not reformed soon, Congress will have to dramatically increase payroll taxes and cut benefits.

That's why Mr. Bush's PRA plan is the only solution that will save Social Security without increasing taxes or cutting benefits. PRAs will allow workers to devote a portion of their payroll taxes into personal accounts that they own and control. Similar to 401(k)s, PRAs will grow with the economy and provide each worker with the security of real assets in a nest egg. Mr. Kerry, instead of embracing PRAs or presenting his own alternative solution, has resorted to cheap, deceitful scare tactics. Here's the truth behind some of Kerry's Social Security urban legends:

Myth No. 1. PRAs will "privatize" Social Security. Personal Retirement Account plans do not "do away with" or "privatize" Social Security. Contributions in the form of payroll taxes will still be mandatory. While PRAs will be owned and controlled by individual workers, the government will still manage the overall program to prevent fraud and ensure security. In fact, a similar model already exists in the form of the successful Thrift Savings Plans that federal workers now enjoy. And, of course, current retirees, those near retirement and those receiving disability payments will still receive benefits as promised.

It is interesting that many who adamantly oppose personal retirement accounts already have their personal pensions in the stock market. Members of Congress and other federal workers can invest in private markets.

Mr. Kerry never fails to point out that "ordinary people" should have the same health care options as politicians. So why doesn't Mr. Kerry also support creating retirement savings options for ordinary people similar to those that politicians already enjoy?

Myth No. 2. PRAs will "cut benefits by 30 to 40 percent."

This is complete fiction. The truth is that PRAs will actually provide workers with greater benefits than the current system. After all, which would you rather have: a personal account that you can own and control and can pass on to your children, or an empty promise from Congress? In fact, Social Security program actuaries analyzed one PRA bill currently in Congress and found that it would increase benefits by 130 percent.

No doubt, it is the current system that shortchanges taxpayers: Workers retiring today can expect a measly rate of return of only 2 percent on their payroll taxes, compared with the 4.6 percent return in the market, as calculated by the Cato Institute. And regardless of Mr. Kerry's characterization of Social Security reform as "risky," market investment is safe over long periods of time -- even a worker retiring in the Great Depression would have had an average return of 4 percent had PRAs existed.

The real risk lies in sticking with the current system and doing nothing, as Mr. Kerry suggests. Social Security runs dry in just 14 years, and the program will face staggering benefit cuts and new taxes, further eroding the return on investment for American workers and retirees.

Myth No. 3. PRAs "would cost $2 trillion over 10 years." Mr. Kerry's campaign terror tale ignores reality. Social Security actually represents a massive unfunded liability on the order of $10.4 trillion. Therefore, Social Security reform will "cost" approximately $10.4 trillion no matter what we do. The question is how we solve the problem. In the near future, taxpayers will be stuck with this bill. Setting aside real assets in PRAs to deal with this enormous liability is not a taxpayer "cost": It's actually prudent, responsible public policy. If we do nothing, as Mr. Kerry suggests, the current Social Security system will begin running perpetual deficits in 2018 totaling nearly $1.8 trillion in new debt by 2028 alone. We can do better.

Mr. Kerry and the far left have told enough frightening tales about Social Security reform to fill a Stephen King novel, but they have yet to propose a solution to the crisis. While fictional ghost stories can be entertaining this time of year, Social Security reform is the most important non-defense issue facing Americans today. Mr. Kerry needs to stop his wildly irresponsible scare tactics and present a plan of his own to save Social Security.

Former House Majority Leader Dick Armey is co-chairman of FreedomWorks, a grassroots organization dedicated to lower taxes, less government and more freedom for all.


Your whole thread and this "article" are complete bullshit. Who are you trying to convince anyway? Certainly no one here I imagine. I have made some logical convincing arguments against the sitting president, but I am sure you give them no credence. Likewise, I pshaw your posts.

D_Raay
10-27-2004, 03:16 PM
GMA']Dick Armey?

What's his wife's name, Vagina Coastgaurd?
Heheh, Peter Griffin at his best (y)

You know "Family Guy" will be back on FOX in January. So wonderful to see a great show like that back on the air.

ASsman
10-27-2004, 03:22 PM
Heh, what? Oh yah because that's what it comes down to between Kerry and Bush. Social Security.

F'ing moron.

Whois
10-27-2004, 03:29 PM
The problem is neither the Democrats or the Republicans are willing to address the simple fact that SS will implode eventually.

They keep coming up with plans that delay the meltdown, but no fixes. I think that's because THERE IS NO FIX, it's a freaking ponzi scheme that no one wants in their lap when it collapses.

It's time to start talking about a new form of SS, and it's not going to be pretty.

...and no, I don't think Bush's plan will work. It still fails to address a number of VERY important issues.

Whois
10-27-2004, 03:31 PM
Heheh, Peter Griffin at his best (y)

You know "Family Guy" will be back on FOX in January. So wonderful to see a great show like that back on the air.

I understand there is a full length movie in production...

ClifRa JOnes
10-29-2004, 01:22 PM
The problem is neither the Democrats or the Republicans are willing to address the simple fact that SS will implode eventually.

They keep coming up with plans that delay the meltdown, but no fixes. I think that's because THERE IS NO FIX, it's a freaking ponzi scheme that no one wants in their lap when it collapses.

It's time to start talking about a new form of SS, and it's not going to be pretty.

...and no, I don't think Bush's plan will work. It still fails to address a number of VERY important issues.

Agreed, it won't be pretty. My point was that people my age and older don't really give a snot! It's the young folks who are going to get screwed by this for one plain fact. Y'all DON'T VOTE! I'm really hoping to see a change this year and if that means JK wins then oh well. At least IMO it would be a change for the better.

A little history lesson:
In the early 1980's there was a big push by MADD (you know who they are) to change the liquor laws in this country. While there were cases of young adults killing themselves on the road while intoxicated a majority of the deaths relating to drunk driving were cause by 40+ year old men driving home from Happy Hour killing Mom and the car load of kids coming home from soccer practice. Did these facts matter? Did 18-21 year olds raise thier voices and go to the ballot boxes and protect thier rights? Nope! Soon after these laws changed the police went on witch hunts in every club that catered to young people. I know this because I was a musician at that time and this basically killed our business.

How does this little story relate to SS? It relates in the fact the politicians on both sides don't fear you. They know that if they screw you, you will not rise up and help throw them out.

Whether you agree with GW on SS or not it's really up to you guys to force this issue because my generation just doesn't give a crap about you or your future!

Whois
10-29-2004, 02:03 PM
Agreed, it won't be pretty. My point was that people my age and older don't really give a snot! It's the young folks who are going to get screwed by this for one plain fact. Y'all DON'T VOTE! I'm really hoping to see a change this year and if that means JK wins then oh well. At least IMO it would be a change for the better.

A little history lesson:
In the early 1980's there was a big push by MADD (you know who they are) to change the liquor laws in this country. While there were cases of young adults killing themselves on the road while intoxicated a majority of the deaths relating to drunk driving were cause by 40+ year old men driving home from Happy Hour killing Mom and the car load of kids coming home from soccer practice. Did these facts matter? Did 18-21 year olds raise thier voices and go to the ballot boxes and protect thier rights? Nope! Soon after these laws changed the police went on witch hunts in every club that catered to young people. I know this because I was a musician at that time and this basically killed our business.

How does this little story relate to SS? It relates in the fact the politicians on both sides don't fear you. They know that if they screw you, you will not rise up and help throw them out.

Whether you agree with GW on SS or not it's really up to you guys to force this issue because my generation just doesn't give a crap about you or your future!

I'm 40 btw... :p

Yeah, I love MADD...after all the lessons learned from the disaster that was prohibition they still want to try banning alcohol again.

The young will grow up and become their parents, just like most of the hippies...

I think you'd be suprised how many young people are voting (both D & R), this election seems to have gotten even the young interested.

paulk
10-29-2004, 09:33 PM
They keep coming up with plans that delay the meltdown, but no fixes. I think that's because THERE IS NO FIX, it's a freaking ponzi scheme that no one wants in their lap when it collapses.

YES (y)

ASsman
10-30-2004, 07:42 AM
I think you'd be suprised how many young people are voting (both D & R), this election seems to have gotten even the young interested.
Yes, it is scary. Britney Spears has made alot of young people today extremely ignorant and stupid. But it has happen on both sides of the spectrum I think. Kids are getting more involved, most for the wrong reasons (ties back to their ignorance). But I think this election has pushed both the ignorant and informed into the "arena". Hell if there are older people who believe Bush's pompous bullshit, it's even easier for younger people to do so aswell ,or to deem it to be complete bullshit (works both ways you see).

infidel
10-30-2004, 07:50 AM
The problem is neither the Democrats or the Republicans are willing to address the simple fact that SS will implode eventually.
What do mean, bush has a plan already implemented.
Send as many young people to their death in useless wars and they won't get old enough to collect SS.

EN[i]GMA
10-30-2004, 09:33 PM
Heard the movie was cancelled due the show coming back on. Good trade in my opinion.