outsourcing jobs?

[edb1821]

Check some of your Heinz products. Sen. John Kerry keeps talking about U.S. corporations leaving this country and
setting up shop in foreign countries, taking thousands of jobs with
them. He is right, because that has happened.
However, he is trying to blame it on George W. Bush.
As far as I know, Bush has not moved one factory out of this country because he is not the owner of a single factory.
That cannot be said about Kerry and his wife,Teresa Heinz-Kerry.
According to the Wall Street Journal, the Kerrys own 32 factories in Europe and 18 in Asia and the Pacific.
In addition, their company, the Heinz Company, leases four
factories in Europe and four in Asia. Also, they own 27 factories in
North America, some of which are in Mexico and the Caribbean.
I wonder how many hundreds of American workers lost their jobs when these plants relocated in foreign countries?
I also wonder if the workers in Mexico and Asia are paid the same wages and benefits as workers in the United States.
Of course they're not. However, Kerry demands that other companies that relocate should pay the same benefits they did in the U.S. Why does he not demand this of the Heinz Company, since he is married to the owner?
If Kerry is elected, will he and his wife close all those foreign
factories and bring all those jobs back to America?
Of course they won't. They're making millions off that cheap labor.

[yeahwho]

Read it. All of it. http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp

[ASsman]

Can you say "Bitch Slap".

[edb1821]

Read it. All of it. http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/heinz.asp

So I guess I'm left with the decision to choose... Do I believe the Wall Street Journal, or do I believe "snopes.com?" ...

[edb1821]

Can you say "Bitch Slap".

punctuation can be fun...

[yeahwho]

Post the Wall Street Journal Article. Is it a ED/OP?

[ASsman]

punctuation can be fun...
Uh, sure?

So I guess I'm left with the decision to choose... Do I believe the Wall Street Journal, or do I believe "snopes.com?" ...
I don't recall anyone posting anything in the Wall Street Journal.

[Echewta]

His wife runs and fully owns the company to make that kind of change? I see.

Forget outsourcing, I believe that if Kerry is President, his terrorist buddies from the swiftboat and windsurfer clubs are going to wreck havic in America and take away are right to pray in school. And throw bombs. They might even try to blow up a building in Oklahoma.

[Ace42]

So I guess I'm left with the decision to choose... Do I believe the Wall Street Journal, or do I believe "snopes.com?" ...

Or you can apply common sense. As someone from a non-US country, I can tell you that Heinz is a MAJOR food company over here, and as such, it makes no sense to import a product which can be manufactured and shipped easier here. As was pointed out, food products are by definition *perishable* and thus shipping them around the world is not a good idea.

"outsourcing" is when you emmigrate production over seas to sell domestically, not when you have production overseas to sell over seas.

I have said this once, it is common sense, please don't make me repeat myself by posting self-evidently flawed argument that even a kid could spot the flaws in.

[paulk]

Punishing corporations for using the most efficient means of production available = (n)

[marsdaddy]

I don't care about outsourcing so much as the tax breaks companies are getting. It's a double whammy, so to speak.

Isn't Heinz a German company? ;)

[paulk]

I'm curious about these tax breaks.

Are they merely defacto tax breaks? i.e. Does moving plants, etc. overseas exempt you from certain taxes that companies are subject to over here?

I haven't heard otherwise, so until I do that's my suspicion.

[D_Raay]

So I guess I'm left with the decision to choose... Do I believe the Wall Street Journal, or do I believe "snopes.com?" ...
First off, Teresa Heinz Kerry does not "own the Heinz Corporation" — she has no involvement whatsoever with the management or operations of the H.J. Heinz Company, nor does she own anything close to a controlling interest of the company's stock. According to Heinz itself, the Heinz family trust which Mrs. Kerry inherited sold most of its shares of Heinz stock back in 1995 and currently holds less than a 4% interest in the company:
Can you not read? Once again you blindly follow a path to ineptitude and ignorance. Wake. See. Feel. Be. Let go of the hate.......or go fuck yourself either way i'm fine with it.

[Ace42]

I'm curious about these tax breaks.

Are they merely defacto tax breaks? i.e. Does moving plants, etc. overseas exempt you from certain taxes that companies are subject to over here?

I haven't heard otherwise, so until I do that's my suspicion.

It exempts you from import and export taxes, obviously. Which makes sense, as Heinz would not be able to stay in business if they had to pay import / export tax on all products sold internationally which national companies were similarly exempt from.

However, they would still be obliged to pay that country's duties, so it is not like they'd be "tax exempt" - merely that they only pay one country's taxes, not *all* countries taxes. Which again, makes sense, otherwise multi-nationals would have to pay their taxes dozens of times over.

[drobertson420]

Anyone know the percentage of taxes the Kerrys paid in 2003?
:confused:
I sure hope it's as much as the"Common Man" paid. ;)

[infidel]

Heinz is an American company with operations spread worldwide.
They also happen to be the largest tomato grower in California.

[racer5.0stang]

Ever notice what logo is on Sen. Kerry's plane?

[paulk]

It exempts you from import and export taxes, obviously. Which makes sense, as Heinz would not be able to stay in business if they had to pay import / export tax on all products sold internationally which national companies were similarly exempt from.

However, they would still be obliged to pay that country's duties, so it is not like they'd be "tax exempt" - merely that they only pay one country's taxes, not *all* countries taxes. Which again, makes sense, otherwise multi-nationals would have to pay their taxes dozens of times over.

So saying that anyone has "given" the companies tax breaks is somewhat misleading.

And to somehow impose additional taxes on them for moving their operations to the countries that they're selling their products in--wouldn't that be some kind of ridiculous tariff action?

[Echewta]

Kerry says "I want to raise taxes on those in my bracket!"

Anti Kerry people bring out how much taxes he paid in the past and how little it is.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Ace42]

And to somehow impose additional taxes on them for moving their operations to the countries that they're selling their products in--wouldn't that be some kind of ridiculous tariff action?

That is how I understand it. Not that I am against businesses being tariffed. They can afford it. More of them should get with the program. However, Heinz is a particularly socially conscious business in a lot of respects (Unlike every other manufacturer, Heinz actually welcomed UK legislation reducing the max sodium content allowed in food, because it was in line with an on going process of "healthier recipies" that they had been doing off their own back) so I think "punishing" them for not being ap urely domestic company is particularly unfair. Eitherway it is against conservative principles.

[QueenAdrock]

punctuation can be fun...

For someone trying to be anal, that sentence should actually read "Punctionation can be fun....". Notice the extra period before the ellipse, the punctuation you ironically left out.

[QueenAdrock]

Kerry says "I want to raise taxes on those in my bracket!"

Anti Kerry people bring out how much taxes he paid in the past and how little it is.

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Exactly. He also says he and the rest of the senators get excellent health care, and wishes everyone to get that excellent health care. And then idiots pop up and say "HOW CAN HE BE FOR HEALTH CARE IF HE HAS A PPO GOVERNMENT-PAID JOB LOL?!?" They just...don't listen. Kerry's too smart for the average man.

[Ace42]

For someone trying to be anal, that sentence should actually read "Punctionation can be fun....". Notice the extra period before the ellipse, the punctuation you ironically left out.

Are you *sure* ?

[yeahwho]

Anyone know the percentage of taxes the Kerrys paid in 2003?
:confused:
I sure hope it's as much as the"Common Man" paid. ;)

It's all on the Net drobertson420. Take a gander. Checkout Bush and Cheney. Hey these guys are all millionaires! Wait a minute. WTF? Whoa! They all have a bunch of money. Capitalistic and successful People running for President? When will the guy at the bowling alley get his chance?

[marsdaddy]

So saying that anyone has "given" the companies tax breaks is somewhat misleading.

And to somehow impose additional taxes on them for moving their operations to the countries that they're selling their products in--wouldn't that be some kind of ridiculous tariff action?They get tax breaks because the payroll taxes are lowered by the amount they're spending on outsourced labor.

[QueenAdrock]

Are you *sure* ?

Yep. I took English Grammar in college.

[Ace42]

And I have a degree in English literature, and have never ever seen someone add a fullstop to an ellipsis, only either / or.

The only example of period then ellipsis usage comes from the "Chicago manual of style" (not a reference material I would put too much faith in) and then only when making the distinction of an omission *between sentences*

As it was his sole comment, three dots would be correct. Also as I took it to mean a "trailing off of thought" rather than an actual omission of text, so again, just three dots.

Also if it WAS indicative of an omission, there should've been a single space after the last word and the ellipsis.

I do not think the same need apply for a drifting off of thought, and certainly doesn't apply for a word broken-off halfway through.

[marsdaddy]

..."Chicago manual of style" (not a reference material I would put too much faith in)...Is this the Strunk & White Book that later became known as "Elements of Style"? If so, you should probably pay attention to it -- considered by many to be the grammar bible.

[Space]

1st off his wife is not an american.

2nd your rebutal says they sold there shares after they outsourced all the jobs in 95.

[Destroyer]

For someone trying to be anal, that sentence should actually read "Punctionation can be fun....". Notice the extra period before the ellipse, the punctuation you ironically left out.

That is grammatically incorrect. Who cares though? This infidel is an idiot.

[Ace42]

Is this the Strunk & White Book that later became known as "Elements of Style"? If so, you should probably pay attention to it -- considered by many to be the grammar bible.

A quick google would seem to indicate they are very different.

[ASsman]

2nd your rebutal says they sold there shares after they outsourced all the jobs in 95.
It's fun when idiots don't pay attention. Oh, WAIT! No, it's not.


Kill yourself now.