Al Jazeera airs Osama Bin Laden video

[D_Raay]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/23DAA5DE-7073-4F7A-9109-8C153B41A716.htm
Bin Ladin's latest message was for the American people.

This latest tape has been subtitled in English and will be available on http://english.aljazeera.net soon.

The timing of this videotape is significant as it comes less than a week before the American presidential elections.

Usama bin Ladin heads al-Qaida, held responsible for the attacks of 11 September 2001 on New York and Washington.

BREAKING NEWS

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3966741.stm

Arabic TV station al-Jazeera has broadcast a videotape apparently featuring Osama Bin Laden, in which he threatens new attacks on the US.

In his opening remarks, the al-Qaeda leader accused President George W Bush of deceiving Americans in the years since the 11 September 2001 attacks.

He compared the Bush administration to what he termed corrupt Arab regimes.

The development comes as US voters prepare to go to the polls on Tuesday in the presidential election.

He said the attacks on the US would have been less severe if President Bush had been more alert.

But he added that the security of the American people depended neither on Mr Bush nor on his challenger, John Kerry, but on US policy.

"Despite entering the fourth year after 11 September, Bush is still deceiving you and hiding the truth from you and therefore the reasons are still there to repeat what happened," he said.

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yeah, pretty scary stuff.

[Echewta]

If only Kerry would talk to his good buddy Osama, this would all stop.

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retaliation for invasion of lebonon in 82...


mocks president for being in a elementary school listening to a little girl talk about a goat while thousands faced a living hell in the towers.



also, disses both bushes, and say that having a father/ son president is like a corrupt arab monarch.


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[QueenAdrock]

You know the thing I hate the most? People from middle America who hear this shit and are like "OH NO! This is horrible! We need to be protected!" and vote for Bush for "protection". It's like, yeah, they're going to attack Nebraska. Better package up the corn and move it to the fallout shelter.

I live in the "painful death" zone of radiation in the DC area. And I vote for Kerry. Primarily all of the people along the coasts are gonna be voting for Kerry, and we're the most vulnerable because the cities are the first ones attacked. NY is going to Kerry, and they were attacked horribly. I find it funny how people say that if you vote for Kerry, you don't care about defense, which is bullshit because by all means, we're the most concerned.

[Ace42]

It is a peculiarity I puzzled over too.

[infidel]

Osama sez

We had agreed with (suicide hijacker) Mohammad Atta, God rest his soul, that he finishes all operations in 20 minutes before Bush and his administration take notice,"

"It never occurred to us that the commander in chief of the US armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone at a time when they were most in need of him."

"He reckoned that it was more important to pre-occupy himself with the talk of the little girl about her pet goat than with the planes and their strike on the skyscrapers, giving us three times the time required to carry out the operations, thanks be to God."

[jegtar]

I think he is trying to get Bush reelected or something. Sounds like he liked Michael Moore's movie.

[infidel]

I think he is trying to get Bush reelected or something. Sounds like he liked Michael Moore's movie.
Of course he wants bush reelected, why fight someone with intelligence when you can fight a fool?
OBL wants bush to fight him in the middle-east, just gives more support for his cause.
His whole video today was just a big fuck you to bush to anger him into the fight and he knows bush will blindly fall right into the plan.

[D_Raay]

http://newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/10/23/113806.shtml
Former Navy Secretary John Lehman said Thursday that the Pentagon has pinpointed the location of Osama bin Laden in the Baluchistan Region of Western Pakistan, but is holding back on rounding him up because it could destabilize the government of Pakistani leader Pervez Musharraf.

Bin Laden is living in South Waziristan in the Baluchistan Mountains of the Baluchistan Region, Lehman told the San Bernadino Sun, after delivering a keynote speech on terrorism at Pitzer College in Claremont, Calif.
"There is an American presence in the area, but we can't just send in troops," he told the Sun. "If we did, we could have another Vietnam, and the United States cannot afford that right now."

Lehman said that because Pakistan's Baluchistan Region is "filled with Taliban and al-Qaida members" who do not recognize the legitimacy of President Musharraf, the U.S. military is holding back.

"Look," he explained, "Musharraf already has had three assassination attempts on his life. He is trying to comply, but he is surrounded by people who do not agree with him. This is not like Afghanistan, where there was no compliance, and we had to go in."

"We'll get [bin Laden] eventually," he added. "Just not now."

Contacted by the Sun, Department of Defense spokeswoman Capt. Ronnie Merritt declined to comment on Lehman's remarks, except to say that he normally didn't speak about these issues, and she was surprised he had.

Lehman served on the Sept. 11 Commission investigating bin Laden's attacks on the U.S.

How stupid do the power elite think we are; and more importantly, how much more of their nonsense are we expected to believe? It’s reaching the point of such absurdity that soon they’ll want us to believe that 19 cave-dwellers from Afghanistan pulled-off the entire 9-11 scenario … oops, I guess they already do!

A perfect case-in-point can be found in the recent revelations of 9-11 Whitewash Committee member John Lehman, who told the San Bernardino Sun (October 22, 2004) that, “the Pentagon knows exactly where Osama bin Laden is hiding in Pakistan.” But, Lehman expounded, “It just can’t get to him.”

This statement couldn’t be true, could it? Supposedly it is, for Secretary of State Colin Powell reiterated this sentiment on Tuesday, October 19 when he said that the al-Qaeda bogeyman was lurking around in Western Pakistan. Department of Defense mouthpiece Captain Ronnie Merritt also confirmed that the U.S. military is confident that bin Laden is in Pakistan.

But former Navy Secretary Lehman issued the most specifics via his remarks: “bin Laden is living in South Waziristan in the Baluchistan Mountains of the Baluchistan region.” He also added that “there is an American presence in the area.”

Admittedly, I’m not an expert in geography, but I started researching this area of Pakistan, and discovered that the total land mass of South Waziristan is 2,470 square miles. To put this figure in perspective, the total area of Rhode Island – the smallest state in the union – is 2,000 square miles.

So, according to Lehman, Osama bin Laden is hiding in a sparsely populated region not much bigger than Rhode Island, yet we can’t rein him in. How peculiar. To illustrate how preposterous this notion is, I’d like all of you to perform a little experiment. Get in your car, drive downtown, deliberately get a parking ticket, and then refuse to pay it. Or, better yet, get a speeding ticket. Then see how long it takes your local police department, courthouse, department of motor vehicles, and insurance company to find you --- and harass the hell out of you --- until payment is received. Yet the Pentagon, which spent $358.2 billion in 2003, can’t find bin Laden. Come on! How gullible do they think we are?

Incredibly, Lehman continued, “We can’t just send in troops. If we did, we could have another Vietnam, and the United States cannot afford that right now.”

Excuse me, Mr. Lehman, but guess what. We’re already in the middle of another Vietnam with our debacle in Iraq! Haven’t you been watching the news? We’ve had more soldiers killed during the first year of our Iraqi War than we did in the first three years of Vietnam. So, who are you trying to fool?

But Lehman wasn’t finished telling whoppers. He also told the San Bernardino Sun: “[bin Laden] is not a wealthy man. He only receives about $1 million a year from his family’s fortune. The rest of what he gets comes from radical sympathizers.”

So, let’s see: the elusive Osama bin Laden only has $1 million/year laid in his lap, yet he isn’t wealthy. (I wonder what that makes me) But maybe Lehman’s statement isn’t entirely true, because I’m trying to figure out what Osama is spending all his money on. I’m sure he’s not getting the premier cable TV package at his cave, because if he was, I’ll bet we could trace the bill (and the power lines) right to his doorstep. Likewise, Osama probably isn’t tooling around in a BMW, for if he was, maybe we could track his license plate number and registration. Heck, I’ll even bet Osama isn’t spending all his money on jaunts to the local Pakistani Wal-Mart, online purchases from e-bay (where, of course, you can’t find a better deal on turbins), or on Domino pizza deliveries (“Yes, for directions, drive past the third mountain range, take a right at the billy-goat pen, then meander through the bombed-out sagebrush patch until you see a mailbox with the name Osama bin Laden on it”)!

Yup, it looks like Osama bin Laden still has a purpose to serve for our government. First he was the 9-11 Lee Harvey Oswald fall-guy; and now he’s the enigmatic villain fueling our Orwellian perpetual war. I don’t know about you, but something smells very fishy about this story.

[yeahwho]

Damn D_Raay has me up half the night reading about OBL. Osama bin Forgotten by Bush, till now.

With the pet goat references, he obviously has seen F9/11 and since this film is not legally released in the Baluchistan Region of Western Pakistan, send the MPAA's lawyers, whisper in their ear something about copyright infringement, and they'll eliminate Bin Laden in no time!

I'm not sure what to make of this appearance. It is more than likely that bin Laden sees the American elections as an international press event — one that he cannot afford not to capitalize upon. In a perverse way, bin Laden — or more likely, an intermediary entrusted with the tape — knows the nature of our news media, not seen for 35 months than with 5 days to election, Heeeeeeeeres Osama! He also forgot "I'm Osama bin Laden, and I approved this message." (That joke's gonna get old fast.)

I tend to think that bin Laden took those shots at Bush specifically because he is Bush — bin Laden obviously sees Bush as arrogant, greedy, and deceptive, he also sees him as a close friend to the Saudi throne and as the son of the man who put those military bases in Saudi Arabia.

Who knows, both sides might spin this thing into the ground, or they might not, fearing to be associated as being Osama's candidate. I personally don't think that it will have any impact on the election, the lines have been drawn, everyone knows where they stand by now.

The idea that Bush fumbled on Bin Laden in Tora Bora is in the conventional wisdom at this point. The only way Bin Laden could have made more of an impact is if he said "Oh, and thanks for the explosives."

But, like I say, I'm interested to see who will own the spin on this. If Kerry can own it like he's owned the explosives, things would be a bit tense for Karl and George.

Good Blog (http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/blog/blog.asp)

BBC NEWS/Transcript of OBL (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2751019.stm)

The Strangest Fucking Trick or Treat Ever

[Ace42]

Does this qualify as the October surprise?

[infidel]

Terror expert on CNN last night said that bin Laden is actually in eastern Iran near the Afghan border. I tend to agree he is far from where military "intelligence" thinks he is.

Does this qualify as the October surprise?
It's a surprise that bush didn't pull OBL out of his hat instead.

[yeahwho]

Does this qualify as the October surprise?

You know for some reason this didn't surprise me. I mean if this is the October Surprise, it's just weird. Wag the dog type stuff weird.


[QUOTE=infidel]Terror expert on CNN last night said that bin Laden is actually in eastern Iran near the Afghan border. I tend to agree he is far from where military "intelligence" thinks he is.

It sounds about right. I know the elder Pakistan Guard are willing to get OBL, but the problem here is, the younger foot soldiers champion OBL. I think OBL is much more mobile than we are led to think.

[Ace42]

I think a more definitive answer will be apparent closer to the election. I think Bush wants the last word on this, so it can be left to the wire before he makes some sort of play.

[yeahwho]

I think a more definitive answer will be apparent closer to the election. I think Bush wants the last word on this, so it can be left to the wire before he makes some sort of play.

It just gets curiouser and curiouser, incredible history. I think a political masterpiece of Literature will come of it. The chessboard slowly grinds to Nov. 2.

[ASsman]

I just shat my pants. Not of fear, but overwhelming mixture of emotions. It's definitively going to hit the fan, maybe they should start beheading undecided voters over in Iraq. Make a point.

but is holding back on rounding him up because it could destabilize the government of Pakistani leader Pervez Musharraf.
Perfect cover too.

[D_Raay]

That's on old transcript from Feb. 2003...although it was interesting to read about Tora Bora.

The best I could find for the new video is this (http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6665201). Does anyone know where to get complete transcript?
Here you go freedom,

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/79C6AF22-98FB-4A1C-B21F-2BC36E87F61F.htm

"It never occurred to us that the Commander in Chief of the armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone at a time when they most needed him."-Osama Bin Laden

This phrase is running over in my mind.

[infidel]

It's still not the full transcript, the line "Your security is not in the hands of Kerry or Bush or al Qaeda. Your security is in your own hands and each state which does not harm our security will remain safe." isn't included in the al jazeera link

The full speech is 17 minutes long. Perhaps bin Laden mentioned some "secrets" someone doesn't want us to hear.

Included in the full speech is reported here;
In Bin Laden's message he approached other points. He pointed to the contradiction which considers oppression and killing of innocents a legal act. They formed an international law as bush the father did with the children of iraq according to bin laden. Bin Laden pointed to the millions of pounds of explosives dropped on Iraqi children as bush his son had done, as he said to remove an old agent and install a new agent to help instealing the oil of iraq. And bin laden said the events of 9/11 came as an answer to this oppression and said that if the answer to this oppression is considered bad terror, then we need to do it. And he stressed that he wants to deliver this message to the Americans in words and in deeds since the 9/11 events. He reminded Americans of a few warning messages through various news media like Time Magazine and CNN and other Arab and correspondents since 1996. He warned them of the conswquences of their countries policies. He talked abou t the damage Sept 11 caused the US economy and that it cost close to a trillion dollars. He talked about President Bush and that the emergency law requires more money.
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

[Blighty]

The events that affected my soul in a difficult way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American 6th fleet helped them in that.

And the whole world saw and heard but did not respond.

In those difficult moments many hard to describe ideas bubbled in my soul but in the end they produced intense feelings of rejection of tyranny and gave birth to a strong resolve to punish the oppressors.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressors in kind and that we destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.


Errr Osama, you spent the 1980s killing Russians for the CIA.

You's think the people that came up with this bullshit would at least study their history books. At least match up their lies.

[Ace42]

Nah, "US wars of oppression" trading cards.

[infidel]

OBL graduated from university in '81, worked for his pa's company in Saudi Arabia for a while then went to Afghanistan in late 1982.
bin Laden has said for a long time he was in Lebanon when Israel backed Christians massacred an estimated 800 unarmed Palestinian civilians in refugee camps in 1982. It's now known as the The Sabra and Shatila massacres.

I can see how that would piss a guy off.

[yeahwho]

I guess the first question that comes to mind is....

remind me again why isn't he dead or on fire?


The retard streak runs deep and strong.
(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1262698/posts)

We are not his audience,

He's aiming this at the Arab and Muslim worlds, and is trying to make himself sound like someone who wants what most of them want, for the most part at least moderately reasonable things. He actually wants something much more extreme, but it's impolitic to say so.

The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason.

--G. K. Chesterton (http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/cslphilos/GKC_Scepticism.htm)

[infidel]

The retard streak runs deep and strong.
(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1262698/posts)

Man, a website full of gismo fucks

[ASsman]

TO THE GUN RACK!

[Ace42]

I already voiced the theory that the US shot down a passenger liner by mistake and tried to pin it on terrorists to cover their paranoid asses in another thread.

[infidel]

I guess the first question that comes to mind is....

remind me again why isn't he dead or on fire?


The retard streak runs deep and strong.
(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1262698/posts)

[/URL] [/B]
I went over to http://www.freerepublic.com and made just one post, it was removed and I was banned.
My post;

You guys have it backwards, bin Laden wants you to think he supports Kerry so you'll vote Bush.
bin Laden may be a murderer but he's not stupid.

How's that for closed minded cowards? Was my opinion that threatening to them?
Are all Bush supporters like that, afraid to hear anything that busts their bubble?
Just as bush is by only allowing devout supporters at his rallies.

[Ace42]

No, but it would certainly be borne out by it. However, I appreciate your resentment at being pointed to another thread, when there are three perfectly good ones running in parallel here.

[ASsman]

RAWR! Calm the fuck down. Jesus tap dancing christ.

Just Manhattan? You'd think he'd be bragging a little bit about the Pentagon if he was involved in that attack as well....
No, but why does he care about those people being scared. He is obvioulsy trying to scare most voters, not just some.

[ASsman]

I do, but these are people in the goverment. Not average Joes. Who do you think each act scares more? Answer this and you will understand what I meant to say .

[Ace42]

Bitchin'

I met a strange lady, she made me nervous. She took me in and gave me breakfast.

[yeahwho]

I went over to http://www.freerepublic.com and made just one post, it was removed and I was banned.
My post;

You guys have it backwards, bin Laden wants you to think he supports Kerry so you'll vote Bush.
bin Laden may be a murderer but he's not stupid.

How's that for closed minded cowards? Was my opinion that threatening to them?
Are all Bush supporters like that, afraid to hear anything that busts their bubble?
Just as bush is by only allowing devout supporters at his rallies.

Ha! You were being unretarded! Now go back and be a right wing nutjob, they'll welcome you with open arms. I'm proud of you though, I might try it, but Ill be on there side the first few times. Just for the Fawk of it.

[infidel]

Ha! You were being unretarded! Now go back and be a right wing nutjob, they'll welcome you with open arms. I'm proud of you though, I might try it, but Ill be on there side the first few times. Just for the Fawk of it.I learned too late from another left leaning message board that the only way to present anything that even comes close to resembling an anti-bush opinion on the Free Republic (http://www.freerepublic.com ) is to state it by saying it's the opinion of your gun hating, pro-choice, new neighbor from Massachusetts and ask what you should do.
Apparently if you use this tactic over several weeks you might be accepted into their klan.

[Destroyer]

They're all retards. All of them. Living in fear and backing a coward. Americans do you want a mushroom cloud over your head in the near possible future!? Vote Bush '04. May Allah help you.

[Blighty]

Maybe he only saw the Lebanon stuff on TV...

My point about Osama was that why did he spend the 1980s working for the US government if he hated it so much?

[Destroyer]

My point about Osama was that why did he spend the 1980s working for the US government if he hated it so much?

Soviet Union!? That ring a bell!?

[infidel]

My point about Osama was that why did he spend the 1980s working for the US government if he hated it so much?
He wasn't working for the US, he was working to liberate Afghanistan from the Soviets.
It just happens the US was one nation among many that provided the funding for him to do so.

[infidel]

Full correctly translated transcript of bin Laden's speech with the juicy parts the US media left out.
Hate to say it but he makes more sense than bush
http://codepiranha.org/index.php?p=39

[ASsman]

Instead of posting another thread, I decided to piggyback on this one.

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As the newest videotaped message from Osama bin Laden is broadcast four days before the election, we speak with veteran Middle East correspondent Robert Fisk, who has interviewed bin Laden three times. Fisk also discusses Iraqi civilian casualties, kidnapped humanitarian worker Margaret Hassan, Palestinian leader Yasser Araft's ailing health and much more. [includes rush transcript] This is Democracy Now!'s special election coverage "Countdown to the Showdown: The Battle for the White House," The final Gallup poll of the 2004 election was released yesterday showing President Bush and John Kerry in the closest presidential race in the history of Gallup Polls. The poll puts the two in a statistical dead heat, 49-49.

At least 10 states could end up going to either Bush or Kerry. Of six states polled by Gallup, Kerry was slightly ahead in three: Ohio, Florida and Minnesota. Bush had slight leads in Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Iowa, although a Des Moines Register poll released Sunday had Kerry up slightly in Iowa. And other polls released over the weekend showed Kerry ahead in Pennsylvania and Bush ahead in Florida. In all six states, terrorism or the war in Iraq were named by at least half of prospective voters as their primary concern.

The poll comes as the newest videotaped message from Osama bin Laden dominated the Sunday talk shows. Some are calling it a mini-October surprise. The tape was broadcast on Friday afternoon by the Arabic network al Jazeera. Bin Laden appears to be in good health and is dressed in a gold colored robe standing at a podium reading from prepared notes. The 18 minutes address was directed at the American people. Bin Laden mentioned both Bush and Kerry by name, saying that neither of them can bring security to the people of the United States.

On the tape, bin Laden says that the motivation for the September 11 attacks goes back to the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon and the US support for the invasion. He said "As I was looking at those towers that were destroyed in Lebanon, it occurred to me that we have to punish the transgressor with the same -- and that we had to destroy the towers in America so that they taste what we tasted, and they stop killing our women and children."

Bin Laden blasts Bush's handling of the 9/11 attacks saying, "We never knew that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his people in the two towers to face those events by themselves when they were in the most urgent need of their leader. He was more interested in listening to the child's story about the goat rather than worry about what was happening to the towers. So, we had three times the time necessary to accomplish the events."

He compares the Bush administration and the Bush family to Gulf monarchies and military dictatorships in the Middle East, saying Bush "moved the tyranny and suppression of freedom to his own country, and they called it the Patriot Act, under the disguise of fighting terrorism. And Bush, the father, found it good to install his children as governors and leaders."

Bin Laden dismissed the Bush administration's contention that the attacks were carried out because al Qaeda hates freedom. Bin Laden asks, if we hate freedom --let him tell us then, "Why did we not attack Sweden?"

* Robert Fisk, chief Middle East correspondent for the London Independent. He is the author of "Pity the Nation: The Abduction of Lebanon"

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/01/1513254
(Full Rush Transcript)

[yeahwho]

[QUOTE=ASsman]Instead of posting another thread, I decided to piggyback on this one.
The poll comes as the newest videotaped message from Osama bin Laden dominated the Sunday talk shows. Quote]

Is Bin Laden the Bush Administration's Goldstein? (http://www.online-literature.com/view.php/1984/1?term=goldstein)

[drobertson420]

I think he is trying to get Bush reelected or something. Sounds like he liked Michael Moore's movie.
Make up your mind :confused:

[jegtar]

"It never occurred to us that the Commander in Chief of the armed forces would abandon 50,000 of his citizens in the twin towers to face those great horrors alone at a time when they most needed him."-Osama Bin Laden

This phrase is running over in my mind.

But according to Michael Moore we didn't get to Afghanistan quick enough. I guess OBL dosen't agree with the whole movie.

[ASsman]

I like the phrase in my signature.