War and the Christian Right

[Hypestyle]

...at the risk of getting flamed, I think part of the Christian :confused: Right's philosophy on such things is heavily based in Revelation.. Jesus coming back like a Lion, the the 7-horned Dragon, and those kinda things.. (forgive me, Bible scholars; as a recovering Catholic i've forgotten a passage or 20..)..

By extension of this philosophy, a lotta folks, from Oral Roberts & Jack Van Impe down to the storefront types, are genuinely Armageddon-minded in their worldview; I attended a friend's church last week-- very prominent fellow, has about a dozen satellite churches-- and part of his sermon explicitly stated that "The Last Days" started when modern day Israel became a state in 1948... whoo-boy.. maybe I shouldn't plan on getting a new car anytime soon.. But seriously-- A number of folks really feel that The Rapture is coming, and Israel will be at the center of it-- thus the current war is a.. clearing the way of sorts, to interrupt the ascent of the AntiChrist-- I won't go into who some people have told me 'He' is..

.. Another level to this is certain groups have sent "secret" missionaries to Israel (who may tell a few white lies about their intentions on arrival), though supposedly Israel has rules forbidding Christian evangelizing there-- but, for the faithful cleric, if they are 'called' to duty there, what does "man's law" matter to justice? (i.e., Martin Luther King, etc.)

..If it sounds like I'm besmirching Christian folk, I'm not-- or at least I'm trying not to-- but I've had some very trying experiences with folks-- ah, screw it, with family-- who have ascribed to some very extreme views while manifesting seriously antisocial behavior, which have led to their severing of all ties with everyone, convinced that everyone else was Unsaved and/or a Collaborator with Demonic forces.. It's... It's just not pretty...

[Vladimir]

Yup. In my experience, religion leads to lack of judgement and/or rational & objective thought.

[Whois]

Jesus is fucking METAL!

http://www.thinkgeek.com/pennyarcade/swag/6fc1/zoom/

[mcyo]

Yup. In my experience, religion leads to lack of judgement and/or rational & objective thought.

That's why Religion and politic doesn't mix well...
They sould always be very distinct...

[ASsman]

One based on faith.
The other based on (should) fact.

[Whois]

Burp

[Baraka]

As far as I'm concerned, the Christian Right can eat shit and die.

[Whois]

As far as I'm concerned, the Christian Right can eat shit and die.

Well the first bit is right on...they don't seem to want to die.

Undead Xtian Fundi Freaks?

[George Jr]

Well, just think of all that free stuff you can grab when the saved do their floaty thing up to heaven. Gonna bag me a nice little holiday home by the sea I think.

[bdavid]

This whole Christian Right as Fanatics is a myth supported by the media. I go to church every Sunday and the preist doesn't talk about abortion, Muslims or any political stuff really. 75% of the time they're trying to get people to show up and volunteer time for charity work. They visit prisoners, hospital patients, shut-ins etc. They don't even bombard those people with a bunch of religous stuff. All they really do is at the end of the visit say a prayer.

People who go around bashing religion are mostly people who talk shit about helping the poor and less fortunate but don't life a finger to actually help. Meanwhile church groups do more charity work in a week and donate more of their own money in a year than most of you bitches do in a lifetime.

Your ignorance is bred of the same kind of fear that perpetuates racism.

[Jasonik]

WORD

[Michael K]

I think the Religious Right in the U.S. have moved so far off the "Christian path" that they don't know what to think or believe. If "Christian" mean a followers of Jesus Christ, then I can't see how they can call themselves Christian.

Jesus Christ taught people to "love your enemies - bless those who curse you". He said "blessed are the poor in spirit for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. Blessed are those who mourn for they shall be comforted. blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the earth. Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God." He taught the chracter of His followers will be "love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, gentleness, self-control."

Big difference between what Christ calls a Christian and the "Christians" who vote for war, weapons and the death of innocents.

Religion is man-made. Faith is God-made.

Call the "Christian right" what you will...I'll probably agree with you. But understand that what they consider "Christian" is a twisted perversion of what Christ taught and believed.

[Vladimir]

When I talk about the Christian Right, I'm not talking about your everyday person such as yourself, as you apparently describe yourself. While I may disagree with your political and religious views, I still respect you for simply having opinions at all. My issue is with Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson who go on television and preach their moral code at other people. I think people's moral code is for them and them alone, and you can tell someone else what you would do in their shoes; saying that God or Jesus or some other religious figure demands that they do what you would do is always wrong.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Its not christians in general, its christians that go to church more than once a month, or born again christians. Check out the exit polls. Catholics and protestants etc are more liberal. Same in Australia.

[Jasonik]

Its not christians in general, its christians that go to church more than once a month, or born again christians. Check out the exit polls. Catholics and protestants etc are more liberal. Same in Australia.
Ha Ha Ha!!!
Relying on polls to understand a population of people or to make sweeping generalizations of people is precisely what got John Kerry NOT elected.

Your logic is like looking at this (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=37063) and saying that eating strawberries makes you more liberal.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Ha Ha Ha!!!
Relying on polls to understand a population of people or to make sweeping generalizations of people is precisely what got John Kerry NOT elected.

Your logic is like looking at this (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=37063) and saying that eating strawberries makes you more liberal.

Actually I'm making a judgement based on the situation in my country and on how the people in your country polled, if it is untrue forgive me but I would rather not move to America just to find out!!!

[Jasonik]

I guess that went over your head. Anyway, how about those dingos. :rolleyes:

[Rancid_Beasties]

I guess that went over your head. Anyway, how about those dingos. :rolleyes:

I've never seen a dingo in my life for one. To say that is far more a generalisation than anything I said. Especially when I based my words on an official poll and you based yours on a couple of crocadile dundee movies. The fact remains that those who are in the country, who do see dingos regularly are in the majority supporters of Bush in supporting the right wing national party over here.

And secondly, i dont see how it went over my head. I honestly believe that this election shows that Kerry's "sweeping generalizations" about the people of the central and southern states of America hold true. If the exit polls are somehow not indicative of the US population please enlighten me on the "true" state of the effect of religion on politics.

[DroppinScience]

This whole Christian Right as Fanatics is a myth supported by the media. I go to church every Sunday and the preist doesn't talk about abortion, Muslims or any political stuff really. 75% of the time they're trying to get people to show up and volunteer time for charity work. They visit prisoners, hospital patients, shut-ins etc. They don't even bombard those people with a bunch of religous stuff. All they really do is at the end of the visit say a prayer.

People who go around bashing religion are mostly people who talk shit about helping the poor and less fortunate but don't life a finger to actually help. Meanwhile church groups do more charity work in a week and donate more of their own money in a year than most of you bitches do in a lifetime.

Your ignorance is bred of the same kind of fear that perpetuates racism.

Christian Right refers to the evangelicals who are all into the rapture and believe you'll go to hell unless you acknowledge that Jesus is your savior (so Jews and Muslims can go to hell!).

We're not talking about true Christianity. We're talking fundamentalists.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Christian Right refers to the evangelicals who are all into the rapture and believe you'll go to hell unless you acknowledge that Jesus is your savior (so Jews and Muslims can go to hell!).

We're not talking about true Christianity. We're talking fundamentalists.

Thank you!!! Finally somebody else can make the distinction between this radical form of christianity that Bush and his supporters follow and true christianity. They've tarnished the idea of christianity just as much as terrorists have tarnished the idea of islam.

[Ace42]

I believe that point was made repeatedly in the bowels of that infernal "Islam is evil" thread.

[Rancid_Beasties]

I believe that point was made repeatedly in the bowels of that infernal "Islam is evil" thread.

I missed that one thank god.....or allah, or budda. Whoever!!!

[discopants]

Will somebody please explain the following irony:

Bush hates religous fundamentalists and yet is one himself.

I mean, what the fuck???
Now it's all a damn sight worse, he now has a mandate to go out and crusade against all those nasty Muslims like the good old cowboy he is.
On top of that most people forget that Iraq has become the new Vietnam and believe the war was actually about freedom. The sooner religion is removed from politics the better, it had a place in the 19th century, not fucking this one.

[yeahwho]

The war in Iraq. Is this war about WMD. Is this war about capturing Saddam? Is this war about regime change and democracy, American style? Is this war about freeing 25 million people so they can vote? Is this a christian fundamentalist movement toward rapture and republican votes?

What is the definitive answer? Many people are dead, many, many people are maimed, homeless, missing kids, missing parents. What have we done? What are we going to do? Obviously the reasons we were told about the "urgent need" to invade Iraq have changed. Millions of Islam Militants have been born.
Because to them, it looks like we've terrorized Iraq for oil. (http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/oil.html)

And the man who makes no mistakes has 4 more years to explain why he is never mistaken. (http://www.rockandrollbadboy.com.nyud.net:8090/vid/mistaken_300k.wmv)

[Whois]

Will somebody please explain the following irony:

Bush hates religous fundamentalists and yet is one himself.

I mean, what the fuck???
Now it's all a damn sight worse, he now has a mandate to go out and crusade against all those nasty Muslims like the good old cowboy he is.
On top of that most people forget that Iraq has become the new Vietnam and believe the war was actually about freedom. The sooner religion is removed from politics the better, it had a place in the 19th century, not fucking this one.

He hates non-christian fundys.