I wish WE could VOTE

[happy.ness]

I wish all the citizen of the planet could choose the pres of the most powerful country...

Take a look at www.betavote.com

For the record:
France John Kerry by 91%

[bdavid]

Buck up France- You can always vote for chain smoking, horrible music and cheese for breakfast.

That and rolling over for the Germans.

[Jasonik]

I bet the US would gladly annex ya'll. :D

[CSAR]

I agree, I'm a Canadian citizen, and I wish we could vote too, between Bush, Kerry, and Nader. Yes, the world is on the edge of their seats, hoping Kerry can win!! I feel so bad for the citizens of the US to have a President like George W. Bush. His agenda is scary, for all of the people of the planet. To my friends in the US, PLEASE vote him out of office!! Thank you, if you do:). Up here we are more interested in the US election, then our own which was only a few months ago. Our country of Canada has been hurt by the Bush Administration through the "Mad Cow" crises, which almost killed our beef trade, softwood lumber, and the way we are treated as terrorist havonists. We don't support terrorism, no country in their right mind does. Of course, everyone knows of the poor civilians in Afghanistan (yes, our country was involved, I'm ashamed to say), and Iraq (We're not officially there but we do have troops embedded in "The Coalition of the Willing") through the British, American, and Australian armies. We need to bring all of these poor soldiers home to their respective countries. So please, my American friends, vote for Kerry!! :) I'm not totally sure of HIS agenda but it has to be better than George W.'s. One more point, if you are still unsure, listen and read what the Beastie's say, listen to Chuck D and Flav of Public Enemy (especially Muse-Sick-In-Our-Mess-Age) listen to the beginning "President Duke of the United World Order", listen to Zack DeLaroche of Rage Against the Machine, and for those who don't know of him, here's a new name Matthew Good (a Canadian musician, philosopher, writer, and was a history instructor, and is very politically minded) This is some ideas if you're still that unsure.

[ASsman]

Buck up France- You can always vote for chain smoking, horrible music and cheese for breakfast.
It's people like you that gives foder to people who criticize the US in all of its crap-like glory. Inbred.

[happy.ness]

I feel so bad for the citizens of the US to have a President like George W. Bush. His agenda is scary, for all of the people of the planet. To my friends in the US, PLEASE vote him out of office!! Thank you, if you do:).

So please, my American friends, vote for Kerry!! :) I'm not totally sure of HIS agenda but it has to be better than George W.'s.[/QUOTE]


*hint*

By the way I smoke whatever I want Whenever I want...
;)

[Whois]

Buck up France- You can always vote for chain smoking, horrible music and cheese for breakfast.

That and rolling over for the Germans.

What is wrong with cheese for breakfast, Romanians have cheese for breakfast and they're our allies in the 'War on Terror(tm)'.

Terrorist lover...

[Whois]

I feel so bad for the citizens of the US to have a President like George W. Bush. His agenda is scary, for all of the people of the planet. To my friends in the US, PLEASE vote him out of office!! Thank you, if you do:).

So please, my American friends, vote for Kerry!! :) I'm not totally sure of HIS agenda but it has to be better than George W.'s.


*hint*

By the way I smoke whatever I want Whenever I want...
;)


Douchbag or shit sandwich...what will be the outcome.

p.s. Since dems hates cigs, what will you be smoking, and can I have some of dat shit!

[Johanna]

Sweden = 91 % voted Kerry (and so did i!)

[mcyo]

It's people like you that gives foder to people who criticize the US in all of its crap-like glory. Inbred.

And it's sad to say, but even here on this board, after reading many post, I can see it very clearly....

Glad, to see also some intelligent stuff around...

But, if the world could vote for the president who can change the face face of the world, it would be a very different story....

[happy.ness]

I just woke up and discover a Red America...
Damn I wish I didn't get up so early-
Going back to the fog of sleep, might be better later
Who knows
I believe in HOPE
:o

[paulk]

I just woke up and discover a Red America...


Whoa, slow down, John Kerry hasn't won yet.

[Ac Slater]

269 > 207

[paulk]

It is a very good thing those liberal ninnies can't vote in our election!

You big manly man, you.

[happy.ness]

I don't get it...
Missipy burning 60% Bush, same in Kentucky:mad:

The only CONSOLATION is that Hilary Clinton will then probably be the next pres in 4 (more) years... Hold on mates...

[Loppfessor]

Yeah well ya can't....so quit cryin...

[mcaismyhero]

Whoa, slow down, John Kerry hasn't won yet.

LOL nice. (y)

[Schmeltz]

Holy fucking Christ, seeing these morons spouting off about how "the French rolled over" and "the French wouldn't fight in the world wars" is absolutely fucking sickening. Here we are a week away from November 11th - arguably one of the most important commemorative dates to our history - and these ignorant, inbred, uneducated jackasses are smearing the memory of millions of men who died fighting for the same things as Americans.

Pick up a god damn history book once in a while, you fucking idiots. Go get some bloody education. It is mind-boggling to see such badly misinformed people in the age of digital media. Unless they're just plain ignorant, in which case fuck y'all anyhow.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Holy fucking Christ, seeing these morons spouting off about how "the French rolled over" and "the French wouldn't fight in the world wars" is absolutely fucking sickening. Here we are a week away from November 11th - arguably one of the most important commemorative dates to our history - and these ignorant, inbred, uneducated jackasses are smearing the memory of millions of men who died fighting for the same things as Americans.

Pick up a god damn history book once in a while, you fucking idiots. Go get some bloody education. It is mind-boggling to see such badly misinformed people in the age of digital media. Unless they're just plain ignorant, in which case fuck y'all anyhow.

I second this sentiment. French efforts were hardly what I'd consider "rolling over". I'm sure the nazi war machine would have kicked America's ass if it was located right next to it in the 30s. Hitler's germany was scarily militarised, and they had the support of almost the entire country. And haven't you heard of the schlieffen plan, the German's military might in World War 1 after mass industrialisation meant they had the capacity to beat a world power like france, and Russia within 6 or so weeks. So gmsisko1, I guess I can add your so-called historical insult towards france to the ever growing list of idiotic things you have said.

Uneducated Americans always claim they won World War 1 and 2, and use this as an argument for the greatness of America. In case you didn't notice, Americans only tipped the scales in both world wars. What about the British, the French, The Anzacs, and so many other nations that defeated Hitler. What about America's last notable war. Vietnam. Need I say more. America did worse than the French did in vietnam 1945-54. And now, in Iraq, they are duplicating that effort.

[happy.ness]

Need I say more.

[Gabriely]

brazil:91% on kerry

[Rancid_Beasties]

You are an idiot! France rolled over very early. If France put up more of a fight, there would have been less US losses! If it wasn't for This Great Nation, we would be speaking German! Tell The Truth!

Actually, I'd be speaking Japanese....I'm in Australia...and the French only rolled over early because they were one of the nations hardest hit by the depression, and also because the Germans were the first out of the depression, and as I said highly militarised. They also targeted the French capital, which meant they could install their own governent in France that basically rolled over. The French people themselves fought as hard as they could but were not well equiped enough, or supported by their government. As for US losses, they were nothing when compared to Russia's. Or do you consider the value of an American life more than a life of other human beings? I personally value every life, including yours gmsisko1....I abhor killing of any person.

By the way I find it rather hypocritical in light of this information for you to call me an idiot, and to say 'speak the truth'. Why would I bother lying, I know your views are fixed, and so all I'm trying to do is have a good old debate and you go and spoil it by attacking my character. Don't you have any sense of fair play.... :p

Hillary will lose too! Thanx for playin! INCH WHIPPER!!!

Hillary Clinton would have more chance than Kerry, especially once Bush is out of contention. Actually if your economy keeps going the way it is the republicans will put themselves out of contention all together. Meanwhile, our economy is pistol whipping yours, and we have free health care and welfare so there :p Plus we have 2 of the best cities in the world according to time magazine and the best water quality...i could go on. As you can see bragging about ones country is quite boring for the one having to read it, but I'm making the point that I could well argue that Australia is better than America... and therefore you would have no reason to tell me how to live or think.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Also I wouldn't mind speaking Japanese or German for the following reasons
Japanese: 1 - Sushi and other jap food rocks
2 - Japan has good guitars
3 - Awesome technology
4 - Cool Language and history
5 - My Aunties japanese and shes really nice :)

German: 1 - I'm half german anyway (german jewish in case you were gonna call me a nazi)
2 - I love german beers and i love those huge sausage things
3 - Awesome cars
4 - Got some decent hip hop and tehcno + Rammstein!!!
5 - I already know some german from my grandparents
So nuts to your "insult"

[happy.ness]

Oh Rancid beasties you made my day(y)
I was feelin kinda disappointed from the reactions in here, but Hope is not wasted :)

I DO EAT FRENCH FRIES

Good morning America, don't you feel a bit dizzy? Punch-drunk???
compassion for my friends...

[Schmeltz]

sisko, you GOD DAMN FUCKING IDIOT, the French did not "roll over." They fought like motherfuckers but they were defeated - like your troops in Vietnam. This was owing to a variety of factors (I'd be here all day if I tried to list them all) but NONE OF THEM HAD TO DO WITH YOUR STUPID SUGGESTION THAT THEY SIMPLY SURRENDERED.

Get educated before you start spouting bullshit, you inbred piece of garbage. You're a disgrace to your country.

[happy.ness]

GAME OVER :mad:

[Whois]

If you said that to me in person, I would have fun arresting you.

What the hell are you babbling about Gizmo?

[Ace42]

Stop quoting the troll, FFS. He's on ignore so I don't have to see his drivel. Don't oblige me to put you on ignore too just to eliminate his crap from offending my eyes.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Stop quoting the troll, FFS. He's on ignore so I don't have to see his drivel. Don't oblige me to put you on ignore too just to eliminate his crap from offending my eyes.

lol :D I totally agree, that douchebag gmsisko realised he couldn't beat me so he ignored what I said and when back to attacking people like Schmeltz who are letting their anger at this election cloud their arguments. Remember people, the most brilliant opinions can always be destroyed by facts. Gmsiskos opinions aren't brilliant, and we've got the facts....so he can fuck off :D

[CSAR]

Give me a break! I am very greatfull to France for their help in the Rev. War, but since then, France would not even fight to save themselvs in WWI and in WWII.

Excuse moi??? I'm sick of this!!! Stop picking on France!!

[Jasonik]

The Bush Administration has a plan to take over the Middle East and enslave the public there first for oil then for World domination. It ain't going to happen because the rest of the World, Canada, France, Germany, Australia, Britain, and the list goes on will kick you out of the UN, and we'll take Bush on, since your own country didn't have the balls to take him out of power. We'll remove him for you.
Please take your medication. You were doing sooo well.

[CSAR]

Please take your medication. You were doing sooo well.
You're right I forgot to take my medication, oh man...had I taken it I wouldn't be living this nightmare of Bush being re-elected...I think I should go take it and everything will be just fine...ahhh ;) btw - ignorance is bliss

[Jasonik]

Hehe, you just told me about the global conspiracy to kick the United States out of the United Nations. It doesn't really matter though with Bill "Slick Willie" Clinton as the Secretary General. *insert evil world domination laugh*

[Rancid_Beasties]

Now the drugs don't work
They just make you worse

-The Verve

[happy.ness]

By the way, on the other side of the planet, Hamid Karzai has been elected in Afghanistan...

[Jasonik]

Shouldn't you be dwelling on how many innocent Afghanis were killed during the invasion... oh wait, France was part of that coaltion. :rolleyes:

[Ace42]

Shouldn't you be dwelling on how many innocent Afghanis were killed during the invasion... oh wait, France was part of that coaltion. :rolleyes:

Indeed, Millions faced starvation. ICRC and red cresent both had to leave the warzone due to the US bombing their CLEARLY MARKED BUILDINGS, etc etc.

[Jasonik]

Glad to see you back on the 'evil America' message. That bright side optimism is so saccharine. :rolleyes:

[CSAR]

Shouldn't you be dwelling on how many innocent Afghanis were killed during the invasion... oh wait, France was part of that coaltion. :rolleyes:

Hey, so were we, and you gave me the perfect opportunity to say thank you to the United States Army (Idiots!!) for bombing our Canadian troops. WE WERE ON YOUR SIDE, REMEMBER?? Apparantly we look like terrorists?? I don't know?? That was really nice of you, no wonder no one wants to help The Bush Administration country with this insane continuation of non-stop war. Back to that war, the real reason for the invasion of Afghanistan, wasn't because of Osama. It was to take control of the sovereign Afghan state, so that Halliburton could put in an oil pipeline across part of Afghanistan. Sure they had their excuses, Al Queda, the Taliban, human rights, women's rights, all LIES. You see if Osama is caught, the war is over. So they won't catch him until their objective of turning the Middle East into their own backyard is complete.

[Space]

i wish i could vote on who is in the UN.

[Ace42]

You can. Your government selects your UN representative. By voting for your president, you voted for your representative.

[Whois]

Stop quoting the troll, FFS. He's on ignore so I don't have to see his drivel. Don't oblige me to put you on ignore too just to eliminate his crap from offending my eyes.

You can't ignore the whole world, besides it's fun to fuck with Shitferbrains.

[Ace42]

You can't ignore the whole world

I thought this election proved you could?

Oh, and fuck with gismo etc by all accounts, just don't quote them.

[Whois]

I thought this election proved you could?

Oh, and fuck with gismo etc by all accounts, just don't quote them.

Okay, I'll try REALLY hard.

[happy.ness]

the real reason for the invasion of Afghanistan, wasn't because of Osama. It was to take control of the sovereign Afghan state, so that Halliburton could put in an oil pipeline across part of Afghanistan.

And it is probably true that M. Karzai is just a dummy standing there so that Bush can go on his business...

[CSAR]

And it is probably true that M. Karzai is just a dummy standing there so that Bush can go on his business...

High five!! Happy.Ness :) I totally agree.

[CSAR]

i wish i could vote on who is in the UN.

Why?? Ok, I'm not sure if you support Republicans or not but if you do, or anybody else reading this does, what are your reasons for supporting The Bush Administration??? Please somebody give me a reason why you support them????

[happy.ness]

High five!! Happy.Ness :) I totally agree.

Hey there! Check your Pms...
Cya

[Space]

You can. Your government selects your UN representative. By voting for your president, you voted for your representative.

if you say so, but i also meant i would like to vote for who the representative of each country would be.

[Ace42]

if you say so, but i also meant i would like to vote for who the representative of each country would be.

And I bet you'd've liked to have a vote in every state for who the president was, eh? Or did you?
:eek:

[SCBstylee]

In the U.S. we don't let frogs vote. Fuck off Frenchie.

[Ace42]

In the U.S. we don't let frogs vote.

And yet you permit the mentally handicapped to do so. How progressive.

[Space]

And I bet you'd've liked to have a vote in every state for who the president was, eh? Or did you?
:eek:


No, and no.

why did you put the eek face?

[Ace42]

No, and no.

why did you put the eek face?

Elections stealing ballot stuffing. It was a low-brow slur against pro-Bush election fraud. I did not put much effort in, so feel free to disregard.

[Space]

lol thats pretty funny, ill try to do better at reconizing your humour in the future.

:D

[CSAR]

In the U.S. we don't let frogs vote. Fuck off Frenchie.

You're not even worth it. Ignorance and hatred, and insults shows you're fears. Haha, you're scared buddy!!

[ASsman]

In the U.S. we don't let frogs vote.
Or woman.
Or negros.
Or beaners.

[Whois]

Or woman.
Or negros.
Or beaners.

or Micks

[Space]

this is the 1st time i have seen the word 'frogs' used like this.

[EF shhhh Hutton]

The French are wimps. We saved their ass and all they can do is smoke cigs, smell bad, drink wine and hide under a desk.

[ASsman]

Sons of bitches.

[CSAR]

The French are wimps. We saved their ass and all they can do is smoke cigs, smell bad, drink wine and hide under a desk.


Who saved who's ass?? Your country of the US didn't even show up to WW2 until the Japanese dropped some bombs on ya? Then you dropped two Nuclear bombs on them since you were losing the conflict. The War was pretty much over by the time you showed up to help the French. It was the British, Canadian and Australian troops who mostly helped France. You Americans got totalled on the Beaches of Normandy. We were there from day 1. The French saved your butts in your Revolution, ingrate.

[drobertson420]

Oh Rancid beasties you made my day(y)
I was feelin kinda disappointed from the reactions in here, but Hope is not wasted :)

I DO EAT FRENCH FRIES

Good morning America, don't you feel a bit dizzy? Punch-drunk???
compassion for my friends...


You mean "Freedom Fries"? (lol)

[ASsman]

They are Belgium... Inbreds.

[paulk]

Your country of the US didn't even show up to WW2 until the Japanese dropped some bombs on ya? Then you dropped two Nuclear bombs on them since you were losing the conflict. The War was pretty much over by the time you showed up to help the French. It was the British, Canadian and Australian troops who mostly helped France. You Americans got totalled on the Beaches of Normandy. We were there from day 1. The French saved your butts in your Revolution, ingrate.

They sell interesting history books up there...

[ASsman]

Yah really if we are going to start arguing like that. We should all have a day to thank Native Americans.

[paulk]

http://www.geocities.com/kurdtvongut/freshattire/funland.JPG

My luscious poster from the Lost City Museum in Overton, Nevada.

[ASsman]

Sweet.

[Cashew]

It's people like you that gives foder to people who criticize the US in all of its crap-like glory. Inbred.


Yet again, assman, you are my hero.

[CSAR]

You mean "Freedom Fries"? (lol)
How do you make "freedom" fries?? Use some "Patriot Act" sauce on top of them?? Mmm...bitter sweet taste left in your mouth. Sorry bud, there's only French fries:)

[CSAR]

They sell interesting history books up there...

Yes, they are very interesting history books. ;)

[drobertson420]

They are Belgium... Inbreds.

Use Mayo, Not Ketchup! Heathens.

[drobertson420]

How do you make "freedom" fries?? Use some "Patriot Act" sauce on top of them?? Mmm...bitter sweet taste left in your mouth. Sorry bud, there's only French fries:)

Smothered in sweet Heinz Ketchup. ;)

[Ali]

I wish all the citizen of the planet could choose the pres of the most powerful country...

Take a look at www.betavote.com

For the record:
France John Kerry by 91%
Dear global voter (http://www.globalvote2004.org),

You asked to receive the results of the global 2004 presidential election. Your vote was one of 113,552 votes from 191 countries (confirmed votes from countries other than the US only). The winner is John Kerry (Democrat) with 77.1% of votes.

The votes are as follows:

Candidate Votes Percentage
Bush 10221 9.0 %
Kerry 87446 77.1 %
Cobb 4347 3.8 %
Nader 7622 6.7 %
Brown 2292 2.0 %
Peroutka 345 0.3 %
Badnarik 1279 1.1 %

The ! results have now been released to the media. Thank you for supporting our project, and may whichever candidate you voted for win on Tuesday!

For a more detailed technical breakdown of figures, click here (http://www.globalvote2004.org/)

"Do you really think Americans care what you linguini-spined Europeans think about our election?" For encouraging feedback from US citizens, click here (http://www.benrik.co.uk/content/vote_reactions.asp)

Benrik Limited & Poke London

[ASsman]

Hahaha. Sweet sweet, unfounded arrogance.

[happy.ness]

Dear global voter (http://www.globalvote2004.org),

"Quit trying to meddle in US affairs, you stinking liberals!"
Anon
"I suggesst you keep your nose the hell out of our political system and we'll do the same for you. Get out, stay out and shut the hell up. Didn't you Brits learn your lesson well enough in the 1700's ? Sic Semper Tyrannus... never forget."
Rick Sampson
Thanks to all who voted, and all who volunteered their opinions. See you in 2008!
Benrik
Benrik Limited & Poke London


Yeah thanks to all of 'em, everything is clearer now...
See you in 2008 and let's move on to the cooking recipes section where we could learn more about the french fries :rolleyes:

[Ali]

Hahaha. Sweet sweet, unfounded arrogance. Lobal Gloater.

[CSAR]

Who saved who's ass?? Your country of the US didn't even show up to WW2 until the Japanese dropped some bombs on ya? Then you dropped two Nuclear bombs on them since you were losing the conflict. The War was pretty much over by the time you showed up to help the French. It was the British, Canadian and Australian troops who mostly helped France. You Americans got totalled on the Beaches of Normandy. We were there from day 1. The French saved your butts in your Revolution, ingrate.

Never used my own quote before...cool ;). I made the "bold typed part" up for a reason. The rest is true. All countries lost lives on the Beaches. We the Canadians, were on the Beaches of Juno. The reason I made it up was so maybe you would go and read some history, and I bet a few of you did?? I hope you did, just to prove me wrong.;) That was my lesson to you.

[Paul Nice]

Uneducated Americans always claim they won World War 1 and 2, and use this as an argument for the greatness of America.

1. The greatness of America needs no argument. It is self evident and acknowledged however reluctantly by every human being on the planet whether they admit it or no.

2. Americans need not brag about World War I. The American intervention helped no one and indeed hurt things by tipping the scales so wholly to the Allies that the Germans were forced to sign the Treaty of Versailles, the brutality and severity of which set the entire Nazi phenomenon rolling.

3. America did more than "tip the scales" in WWII. What America did was save the West from the hell of Nazi dominance. They then spend the next half century saving it from Soviet gulag authoritarianism. That America was acting in her own self interest is inarguable. America, in WWII, was defending herself and punishing her attackers for the most part, and the liberty of the West was a byproduct, sure. It still cannot be downplayed as merely "tipping the scale". America wiped the Nazis clean from western Europe, period. That's not an accomplishment anyone needs to exaggerate.

[Paul Nice]

Only America?

Last spring I was in Amsterdam and they were celebrating the day CANADA liberated them from the Nazis.

Try reading some history books...

Let me put it this way: had America not entered the war, all the nations of Western Europe would have fallen before the Nazis. The footnote forces of Canada would have been reduced to cinder. The jews of all Europe would have been exterminated. It was not the will and might of CANADA that ground the Nazis down. It was not the wealth of CANADA that fed Europe then and after, and rebuilt it. Yes Canada played a part. Britain and America did the brunt of the work from the west, the USSR from the east.

[ScarySquirrel]

You asked to receive the results of the global 2004 presidential election. Your vote was one of 113,552 votes from 191 countries (confirmed votes from countries other than the US only). The winner is John Kerry (Democrat) with 77.1% of votes.

The votes are as follows:

Candidate Votes Percentage
Bush 10221 9.0 %
Kerry 87446 77.1 %
Cobb 4347 3.8 %
Nader 7622 6.7 %
Brown 2292 2.0 %
Peroutka 345 0.3 %
Badnarik 1279 1.1 %
Interesting statistics... and kind of thought provoking. Until you take the bias factor into consideration. Those stats aren't entirely accurate, and therefore can't be used as a projection of the general population, because they didn't come from a random sample. Sites that use surveys and stuff like that generally tend to draw a specific crowd. Much like a Fox News telephone poll would mostly draw republicans.

Not that I'm sure the rest of the world would've voted for Kerry (like I did, thank you very much), but even with the rest of the world voting, I don't think the stats would lend themselves to his favor that amazingly. Just a little point of information for y'all to chew on next time you start posting statistics from some little survey you found.

[Schmeltz]

Again, if America had been acting merely out of pure self-interest in the Second World War its participation would have been limited to a steamrolling of Japan and the defeat of the Nazi U-boats. It would have been far more to America's advantage to simply allow the Nazis and Soviets to tear at each other endlessly - and in fact, Stalin suspected that this was the case for a long time, being the paranoid megalomaniac he was. Fortunately enough for the rest of the world, however, America selflessly set aside its own preferences and adopted the Germany First strategy even though most Americans would have opted for an all-out offensive against Japan. This selflessness renders the debt owed to America all the more profound, and it should never be forgotten. Especially when all you have to put up with in return is sanctimonious libertarian assholes on the Beastie Boys forums.

[Ace42]

Fortunately enough for the rest of the world, however, America selflessly set aside its own preferences and adopted the Germany First strategy even though most Americans would have opted for an all-out offensive against Japan.

"The American public would have been quite content with dealing with Japan and leaving the European War to the Europeans. The treachery of the Japanese attack burned bright in the minds of most Americans, and they wanted revenge. If not for the declaration of war by Germany, Roosevelt would have had a hard time justifying declaring war on Germany until Japan was destroyed. But Germany did declare war, and the U-boats moved the Eastern seaboard in January 1942."

http://www.worldwar2database.com/html/us_war.htm

This selflessness renders the debt owed to America all the more profound, and it should never be forgotten. Especially when all you have to put up with in return is sanctimonious libertarian assholes on the Beastie Boys forums.

Except for the fact that England had been receiving the brunt of the Nazi war machine practically alone for two whole years, spread over numerous fronts. When the US joined the war, relief though it was, it was not like they "arrived in the nick of time, just as the UK was about to be over-run"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A54557-2001Feb10&notFound=true
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/bushfamily/bushhitler.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/daily/nov98/nazicars30.htm
http://www.startribune.com/stories/721/5085229.html
http://www.cpa.org.au/garchve3/1035cult.html

Those selfless US entrepreneurs. Where would we be with out them?

[Ace42]

Let me put it this way: had America not entered the war, all the nations of Western Europe would have fallen before the Nazis.

Except for the UK which not only got wrong-footed and had to retreat at Dunkirk due to terrible planning, but also nearly had its air-force rendered inoperative in the run-up to the Battle of Britain. That happened well before the December 1941 entrance into the war by Germany, and before the June '41 breach of the USSR-German pact which opened up a second front. You think that, having lasted 2 years alone, and then having the massive Russian bear open up a second front, the Germans were poised to over-run the UK? Pshaw, T&F. Typical American bluster.

[Schmeltz]

England had been receiving the brunt of the Nazi war machine practically alone for two whole years


Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, South Africa... yeah, I guess that's practically alone. ;)

[CSAR]

Ok, ENOUGH!! Everyone's country contributed in some way. Let's stop this arguing over something that happened over 60 years ago!! The Nazis lost, Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Russia, USA, and more countries all made contributions let's leave it at that. Stop picking on France, Americans. We're all Beastie Boy fans, that's why we're here, not to argue over some war of the past.

[paulk]

Especially when all you have to put up with in return is sanctimonious libertarian assholes on the Beastie Boys forums.

I think you're exaggerating slightly. There are only two or three of us around here.

[Ali]

Interesting statistics... and kind of thought provoking. Until you take the bias factor into consideration. Those stats aren't entirely accurate, and therefore can't be used as a projection of the general population, because they didn't come from a random sample. Sites that use surveys and stuff like that generally tend to draw a specific crowd. Much like a Fox News telephone poll would mostly draw republicans.

Not that I'm sure the rest of the world would've voted for Kerry (like I did, thank you very much), but even with the rest of the world voting, I don't think the stats would lend themselves to his favor that amazingly. Just a little point of information for y'all to chew on next time you start posting statistics from some little survey you found. Not statistics, result of internet vote (like what we have on this board). Did you follow the link?

[Ali]

Ok, ENOUGH!! Everyone's country contributed in some way. Let's stop this arguing over something that happened over 60 years ago!! The Nazis lost, Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Russia, USA, and more countries all made contributions let's leave it at that. Stop picking on France, Americans. We're all Beastie Boy fans, that's why we're here, not to argue over some war of the past. Yeah, we're here to argue over the war of the PRESENT!

[paulk]

Yeah, we're here to argue over the war of the PRESENT!

People fighting over a box covered in wrapping paper?

AHAHHAHAHAHH YES (y) (y)

[Ace42]

Canada, Australia, New Zealand, India, South Africa... yeah, I guess that's practically alone. ;)

So you are saying that those nations protected England from falling *practically* by flying sorties over the UK preventing a German invasion? From half a world away? Because England was chock full of Canucks, Ozzies, Kiwis, Gurkhas, and other colonials in 1940.

Now, if you want to produce an exact documentary listing of the joint operations involving these nations, I will be more than willing to peruse it, and we can both establish the merits and significance of each nation's part in defending the UK from being "Crushed" by the Naxi war machine.

As far as I know (and I would have to do some major research to verify this) most foreign support (not all) was on non-European fronts. Africa, the Atlantic, etc. Certainly not on the NW (UK / English Channel) front. They were not on the Isle of Wight when the Nazis rode in. While vital to the war effort, and certainly easing the pressure on European battlefronts, it is not easy to directly equate that with preventing England being over-run. Remember that all the other nations in Europe that were invaded were invaded in very short spaces of time, generally about a month or so, due to the superior Blitzkrieg tactics.

"Operation Sealion" (The invasion of the UK) was aborted *before* the US joined the war, was my point.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/ww2time.htm

[ScarySquirrel]

Not statistics, result of internet vote (like what we have on this board). Did you follow the link?
It doesn't matter whether you call it statistics or an internet vote... it's the same thing. A survey meant to project a conclusion about the entire sampling population (in this case, the entire world).

Although I don't question that had the rest of the world been able to vote John Kerry would have won, I do wonder if it would've been that astounding of a victory. No random sampling... because all the survey takers were voluntary, means the results they show are irrelevant.

[Schmeltz]

No, Ace42, all I'm saying is that England wasn't going it alone against the Nazis, she had a big empire/commonwealth standing shoulder to shoulder with her. A coalition of the willing, if you like.

[CSAR]

Yeah, we're here to argue over the war of the PRESENT!

My point exactly (y). However, remember the title of this forum?? "I wish WE could VOTE" and unfortunately the voting is done. 4 more years of living next door to the Tyrant GWB and his American supporters. (n) There's another forum called "To All You From Other Nations" if you really insist on fighting amongst yourselves?? I still wish WE (the rest of the World) could have voted. :mad: