Say it can't be true! NOT AGAIN w/ BUSH?!

[NatuBlonde]

A big WHY? Where did Kerry's campaign fail? and what can we predict from here? Can Ohio votes in contention be saving us from this hell? Sorry, sorry souls listen to yourself in the years ahead.

Thank God for some strides this election year like OBAMA in Illinois!

[OfTheDesert]

I'm sick. I can't believe we have 4 more yrs. of this. :( :mad:

[Speedygee]

Why, oh why so many people voted Bush?!? Does he have some evil forces behind him? I mean, really, first time can be accident but now... huh... this is unbelievable.
Sorry USA :( this is a voice from Europe

[OfTheDesert]

Sorry USA :( this is a voice from Europe

Thanks. This really hurts. :(

[mcaismyhero]

Quit bitching. Kerry lost fair and square, he couldn't relate to most of America as a person. Translation: Most of America thought he had kind of good ideas but thought he was a douchebag. Get over it.

[Speedygee]

Your political system is quite different than ours. It seems to me that you had only two bad candidate where to choose.

[mcaismyhero]

Your political system is quite different than ours. It seems to me that you had only two bad candidate where to choose.

Yeah our political system pretty much blows a giant dong.

[NatuBlonde]

mcaismyhero you said it point blank- It's a HUGE GIANT DONG

[Thundercracker]

I can't belive America picked this (http://www.tccandler.com/Bush_Book.jpg) guy again...

[Darko]

The rest of the world isn't going to be too happy about this results. I really hope Bush tries to help improve relations with other counties, because right now, things are looking pretty grim.

[Speedygee]

Yeah, it's going to be their doom. No, actually the hole world will suffer for this. It's sad. :(

[greenjacketgirl]

I did not vote for him last time and he did not get my vote this time.. I really can't belive that it is a close race.. really? Well the only good thing is that he can't be president again.

[greenjacketgirl]

Thundercracker... pretty funny picture!! hehehehe

[NatuBlonde]

Yeah like greenjacketgirl said Bush can't be president again! What's the restriction for a former President to run again?

Doesn't it stink that Clinton can't run again. Why shouldn't Clinton run again? Why do people leave it to Hilary when it should be Bill? Who's next? Don't leave the future office to someone capable of changing parties (i.e., another Republican changing party the way Bloomberg did for NYC mayor!) Come on...!

[NatuBlonde]

Could Clinton run again?

[laura]

I watched tv yesterday night before go to sleep (in Italy there's 6 hours more than NYC). polls say Kerry had more votes than Bush.
I woke up this morning...it was two hours ago.
1 am in NYC, 7am in Italy.

AGAIN???? :mad:

what the hell is going on?!?!?
why dont you change vote system if it doesnt work at all? :confused: !?!
I mean: should I see every six years a farse in a different State?!? you have 50 states..

[mcaismyhero]

Every 4 years. And Bush is (kinda) winning right now. But I'm going to bed. Fuck it.

[Speedygee]

I watched tv yesterday night before go to sleep (in Italy there's 6 hours more than NYC). polls say Kerry had more votes than Bush.
I woke up this morning...it was two hours ago.
1 am in NYC, 7am in Italy.

AGAIN???? :mad:

what the hell is going on?!?!?
why dont you change vote system if it doesnt work at all? :confused: !?!
I mean: should I see every six years a farse in a different State?!? you have 50 states..

Yes, it's big mystery (in Europe anyway). How can Bush get so many votes?! I don't get it.

And how much damage he can make in 4 more years? :eek:

[Rancid_Beasties]

At least you're government's aren't as closely aligned to Bush as mine is. 4 years of Bush for Australian's means 4 years of doing whatever America tells us to do like little lap dogs. In Europe you have so much more choice.

[Speedygee]

At least you're government's aren't as closely aligned to Bush as mine is. 4 years of Bush for Australian's means 4 years of doing whatever America tells us to do like little lap dogs. In Europe you have so much more choice.

US government doesn't handle their foreign politics that well. They just like to tell other countries what they should do. That suck! :(

Peace&love Rancid_Beasties! :)

[Gabriely]

i´m really sorry 4u guys... :(

[mewz]

At least you're government's aren't as closely aligned to Bush as mine is. 4 years of Bush for Australian's means 4 years of doing whatever America tells us to do like little lap dogs. In Europe you have so much more choice.

Word, its pretty shite. I guess the rest of the world just isn't ready for change. I'm pissed that Australia has the same PM for another 3 years...and America (most probably) has the same president for another 4...but that's democracy for ya.

I wonder if things will change once some of the old conservatives start to drop off the mortal coil?



In situations such as these the only thing that you can do is live and be strong within your own personal integrity. Just because someone is fucking up your country, doesn't mean you need to become hopeless. We need smart people out there who have developed their own set of beliefs, and who actively try to work to help the environment, poverty, prejudice, corruption and disease.

[Rancid_Beasties]

US government doesn't handle their foreign politics that well. They just like to tell other countries what they should do. That suck! :(

Peace&love Rancid_Beasties! :)

Peace to you to my Finnish brother. If Americans want Bush, they can have him, it'll only create more terrorists towards America, a weaker economy and a greater divide between rich and poor. Just don't have a cry to the rest of the world when China and Russia jump ahead of you as the world powers.

Ohh yeah and to the last poster....screw John Howard....the only radical things he can do that could affect me is the sale of telstra and the rise of uni fees. I'm with optus for one, and as for uni, i'm resigned to the fact that i'm going to have to pay a rediculous amount for higher education.

[mewz]

Ohh yeah and to the last poster....screw John Howard....the only radical things he can do that could affect me is the sale of telstra and the rise of uni fees. I'm with optus for one, and as for uni, i'm resigned to the fact that i'm going to have to pay a rediculous amount for higher education.
Yeah, I'm more worried about his friendship with Bush and the whole free trade agreement. No offence to the Americans, but we really don't need any more American crap on tv, we have more then enough already!!

Anyway, gotta try and stay positive, right?

[Speedygee]

Anyway, gotta try and stay positive, right?

(y) Yeah, that's the way! :)

[Rancid_Beasties]

Yeah, I'm more worried about his friendship with Bush and the whole free trade agreement. No offence to the Americans, but we really don't need any more American crap on tv, we have more then enough already!!

Anyway, gotta try and stay positive, right?

Yeah American tv is starting to shit me off, especially all the "when planes fall out of the sky" and "when sports people crack their skulls open" and "roadkill live on camera" shows come on tv....about now (11:20 pm). Right now its like a swat show with a truly awful voice over guy. I think I need to go to sleep.

[mewz]

Yeah American tv is starting to shit me off, especially all the "when planes fall out of the sky" and "when sports people crack their skulls open" and "roadkill live on camera" shows come on tv....about now (11:20 pm). Right now its like a swat show with a truly awful voice over guy. I think I need to go to sleep.

Yeah, not to mention the cheesy soaps!

I should prob get off the net too. I've got 2 more essays to do by Friday and then I have finished my degree! Gotta stop procrastinating, but this whole election is pretty distracting...

[Jurassic]

Really, at this moment I have a heard time understanding Americans, and why in hell they would vote for Bush again.
In almost every country around the world (save Israel, Australia maybe) Kerry would win with atleast 70% of the votes, yet in America people don't vote the worst president since ages away :confused:

[Ace42]

Really, at this moment I have a heard time understanding Americans, and why in hell they would vote for Bush again.
In almost every country around the world (save Israel, Australia maybe) Kerry would win with atleast 70% of the votes, yet in America people don't vote the worst president since ages away :confused:

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=35796&highlight=bush+supporters+touch

^^^ The explanation is there.

To sum up: "Most Americans are very very stupid, and shouldn't be allowed outside on their own, let alone to be an autonomous unit of a powerful nation-state"

[drobertson420]

Thank God for some strides this election year like OBAMA in Illinois!

True That!! (y)

[drobertson420]

Yeah American tv is starting to shit me off, especially all the "when planes fall out of the sky" and "when sports people crack their skulls open" and "roadkill live on camera" shows come on tv....about now (11:20 pm). Right now its like a swat show with a truly awful voice over guy. I think I need to go to sleep.
American TV IS Shite!
I also am sick of all the "Reality" Shows.
SpamSpamSpamSpamSpam.........

Don't Forget tonight on CBS...."When Grandmas Kill" :D

[wortbag]

i think osama is in london cause i saw a guy that looked just like him
seriously i'm not kidding he even had the exact same turban?

[Qdrop]

Face it, people....

we (progressive thinking liberals/independants) are the MINORITY. period.

bush won because there are more of them than there are of us.
it's as simple as that.

BALANCE OF POWER *

SENATE (51)*
GOP: 53
DEM: 44

HOUSE (218)*
GOP: 228
DEM: 199

GOVERNOR
GOP: 28
DEM: 21

we are the second rung.

it's not our country anymore.......we're just living here.
tragic.

[jennyb]

NO NO NO NO NO NO! :mad: It's looking like the flyover states are putting this bastard back in the oval office! What's up with that? Too many puritanical idealists running around. I'm usually proud... but at this moment so embarassed to be an American more than ever.

[IceGargoylle]

bendover and smile, then move to canada.

[Qdrop]

it's difficult for me to understand,

but it really is all about jesus, homophobia, prayer in church, banning abortion, and reducing taxes by the gov't.

that's what the majority of the country wants....
i feel so lost here.
why am i living here?...i don't even feel welcome now.

[Ace42]

Move to a decent country. Most European nations welcome progressive free thinkers. Seriously, I can't see why anyone would voluntarily live in the US. It's practically a third world nation.

[paulb]

so it all comes down to Ohio.... damn! :(

[Qdrop]

Move to a decent country. Most European nations welcome progressive free thinkers. Seriously, I can't see why anyone would voluntarily live in the US. It's practically a third world nation.


it's still the most powerful country in the world.....and will be for some time to come at least.

i'd rather somehow win my country back....

the real issue here (and this election should really drive it home) is the education system in our country.
it's poor, and there are too many uneducated and "limited education" peeps in our country (no college or higher education)...and those people make up the republican base.

the enlightened become progressive and liberal.

the mentally stunted remain conservative (there's a god in heaven who knows all, a few cells have a soul, gays should die, fuck the poor, kill muslims and any one who isn't christian..ect)

the better our education....the more democrats.
that's our only hope.

[Jasonik]

the mentally stunted remain conservative (there's a god in heaven who knows all, a few cells have a soul, gays should die, fuck the poor, kill muslims and any one who isn't christian..ect)
you sound 'enlightened' :rolleyes:

[Ace42]

it's still the most powerful country in the world.....and will be for some time to come at least.

Except that the US populace are all impotent. They are conned poked and prodded by Bush et al. Lines of hi-tech industry peepz unemployed and getting free meals handed out to them in Houston, one of the biggest cities of one of the wealthiest states? Oooh, I am so impressed by the power.

i'd rather somehow win my country back...

Isn't that what the 2nd ammendment is for?

the real issue here (and this election should really drive it home) is the education system in our country.
it's poor, and there are too many uneducated and "limited education" peeps in our country (no college or higher education)...and those people make up the republican base.

Yeah, but they refuse to learn. They have been given ample chance on this very forum, and yet obstinantly refuse to accept facts, or even understand why their arguments are irrational. They willfully ignore the truth which should be self-evident. This mentality is not something you can fix. They are like stubborn children, who will only EVER learn the hard way.

the better our education....the more democrats.
that's our only hope.

Too late, never happen, to much "go us, go US, woohoo" flag waving self-congratulatory nonsense. Yanks don't even KNOW how stupid the majority of them are, even when provided with repeated evidence. Think they're gonna let someone "meddle" and fix it for them? BS. They have a vested interest in ego-masturbation, not gonna happen.

Trying to fix the US is like trying to duck-tape up a banger. Yeah it might stay on the road a bit longer, but it'll just get smokier, and less reliable, and more dangerous until the inevitable happens.

[kockster]

the sad thing is this country is not leftwing or rightwing.sadly we live in a red neck nation. :mad:

[Whois]

A big WHY? Where did Kerry's campaign fail? and what can we predict from here? Can Ohio votes in contention be saving us from this hell? Sorry, sorry souls listen to yourself in the years ahead.

Thank God for some strides this election year like OBAMA in Illinois!

Wow, no one has blamed Nader yet...I'm shocked.

[BGirl]

it's difficult for me to understand,

but it really is all about jesus, homophobia, prayer in church, banning abortion, and reducing taxes by the gov't.

that's what the majority of the country wants....


I'm having some trouble coping with this myself. Over the last four years I wrote 1000's of words on a message board to fellow alumnae of a women's college I attended (many of them people I knew in school) trying to show them what a disaster Bush has been for our country. Because that was the only place I personally knew Bush voters. I gave them facts, facts, facts, logic, more facts, more logic and still more facts. Still, today some of them simply say "George Bush is a great leader" with nothing more to back it up, and then they go and vote Bush.

Oh, and a lot of them are homophobic bigots as well, despite the many postings of gay alum trying to explain to them what it's like to be a second-class citizen.

Like someone wrote on their blog today, "I feel like I'm stuck in a room with the slow kids."

[Whois]

Don't Forget tonight on CBS...."When Grandmas Kill" :D

(y)

[infidel]

Why, oh why so many people voted Bush?!? They truely think he is a messenger from god or Jesus' twin brother

[Qdrop]

there really isn't anything else we can do....

there was no trickery, no conspiracy........the GOP just plain won...
that's whats so tragic.

We will now live through our genarations Vietnam (Iraq)......we will see our country go to war with Iran and others in the next 4+ years.

we will see abortion get banned or severely limited.
we will see health care crumble.
we will see oil rise.....and the enviroment continue to crumble in certain areas.
we will see big business rise.....small business continue to die.
We will see the poor get much poorer......and the rich get much more richer.
we will see christian prayer in public schools, and everywhere else.
we will see citizens denied certain rights because they are not christian.
we will see homosexuals be persucuted, and denied the right to marry.
we will see the NeoCon hawks continue to use military force to obtain all that they desire.
The NeoCon agenda will continue indefinately.

i think the GOP will win in 2008 as well.
this is what the majority wants.
we don't belong anymore.

this is our future.....this were our country is headed.

[Ace42]

I told you so.

Come to a proper country, help prevent it happen here.

[All-Trac]

there really isn't anything else we can do....

there was no trickery, no conspiracy........the GOP just plain won...
that's whats so tragic.

We will now live through our genarations Vietnam (Iraq)......we will see our country go to war with Iran and others in the next 4+ years.

we will see abortion get banned or severely limited.
we will see health care crumble.
we will see oil rise.....and the enviroment continue to crumble in certain areas.
we will see big business rise.....small business continue to die.
We will see the poor get much poorer......and the rich get much more richer.
we will see christian prayer in public schools, and everywhere else.
we will see citizens denied certain rights because they are not christian.
we will see homosexuals be persucuted, and denied the right to marry.
we will see the NeoCon hawks continue to use military force to obtain all that they desire.
The NeoCon agenda will continue indefinately.

i think the GOP will win in 2008 as well.
this is what the majority wants.
we don't belong anymore.

this is our future.....this were our country is headed.


(LIE) we will see abortion get banned or severely limited. ==Partial Birth ONLY==
(LIE) we will see health care crumble. ==you mean like CANADA? Get a clue.==
(LIE) we will see oil rise.....and the enviroment continue to crumble in certain areas. == WE'RE still not drilling in AK, we should leave OPEC and use MEX and AK oil, then the sand crabs would starve themselves.==
(LIE) we will see big business rise.....small business continue to die. ===BUSH is for small business, Kerry wanted to increase the tax burden on small business owners====
(TRUE) We will see the poor get much poorer......and the rich get much more richer. ===Those who don't want to work (welfare, etc.) will not get a better life===
(LIE) We will see Christian prayer in public schools, and everywhere else. ==NOT UP TO THE PRES.==Supreme Court already shut that down!
(LIE) we will see citizens denied certain rights because they are not Christian.== Just Plain ignorance==
(LIE) we will see homosexuals be persecuted, and denied the right to marry. ==They will have civil unions, u and ur Boyfriend can relax==
(LIE) we will see the NeoCon hawks continue to use military force to obtain all that they desire. ==America is the ONLY Nation in HISTORY to not TAKE/KEEP the land they conquer. (Japan, Germany, France, etc....)
(LIE) The NeoCon agenda will continue indefinately. ===You mean the country will continue to grow and we'll defeat terrorism.===


WAKE UP! Your lies and nonsense did not work. 4 more years!! You can thank me later. ==W'04== Believe IT!!!! The Pity party has begun!!!
At least Kerry didn't drag the country thru another 2000 nightmare. Maybe becasue the popular vote victory for BUSH was the LARGEST IN MODERN HISTORY!
The people have spoken, Liberal tree huggers and hand wringers you LOSE, AGAIN!!!

[Ace42]

The people have spoken, Liberal tree huggers and hand wringers you LOSE, AGAIN!!!

Bush being President means EVERYONE loses. Fortunately, it is the US electorate who lose the most. Next to the poor unfortunates that Bush will bomb next.

[Whois]

Bush being President means EVERYONE loses. Fortunately, it is the US electorate who lose the most. Next to the poor unfortunates that Bush will bomb next.

The people are the losers of EVERY election...

"It doesn't matter who is elected as long as the underlying power structure remains intact."

[sea_dragon]

Yes, it's big mystery (in Europe anyway). How can Bush get so many votes?! I don't get it.

And how much damage he can make in 4 more years? :eek:

He'll probably be appointing at least two Supreme Court justices - Rehnquist has cancer and anyway he's 80 years old, and John Paul Stevens is 84 and I doubt he'll be able to hold out another 4 years. Speculation is that Bush will nominate Thomas to Chief Justice; and he's indicated that he would model his nominees after Scalia and Thomas. (These two are pretty extreme right, they were the only dissenters when the court said that states can withhold tax-payer funded scholarships from students studying theology, and when the court upheld the Miranda ruling.)

Expect social security to be privatized - which means there won't be enough money being paid in to the existing system to cover benefits for the baby boomers. It's not like a 401(k) where the money they've paid over the years has been sitting accruing interest - current wage earners withholdings are the source for current retirees benefits.

Expect a big push to drill for oil in ANWR, as well as a lot of other public lands across the West. And increased logging.

He's pledged to cut the deficit in half, and since we know he won't raise taxes, that means some pretty stiff budget cuts have to happen somewhere. Indications have been that the cuts will happen in the VA, CDC, community police funding, prisons, education, medical and scientific research, and possibly even homeland security. And keep in mind, limiting budgets to current levels is in effect a cut, because of inflation.

He's also indicated an interest in abandoning federal income tax in favor of a national sales tax. Sales tax always hits people with lower income levels more, because they tend to use a much higher percentage of their income on purchases, whereas the upper income brackets do more saving and investing.

[Whois]

Seriously, I can't see why anyone would voluntarily live in the US. It's practically a third world nation.

We have great porn...

"God bless American porn!"

[sea_dragon]

it's difficult for me to understand,

but it really is all about jesus, homophobia, prayer in church, banning abortion, and reducing taxes by the gov't.

that's what the majority of the country wants....
i feel so lost here.
why am i living here?...i don't even feel welcome now.

Not necessarily, did you read the link Ace42 posted? This paragraph was particularly striking:

Bush supporters are also mistaken about the president's own positions (a pattern of misapprehension that an earlier PIPA report also documented). "Majorities incorrectly assumed that Bush supports multilateral approaches to various international issues -- the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%), the treaty banning land mines (72%); 51% incorrectly assumed he favors US participation in the Kyoto treaty -- the principal international accord on global warming... Only 13% of supporters are aware that he opposes labor and environmental standards in trade agreements -- 74% incorrectly believe that he favors including labor and environmental standards in agreements on trade. In all these cases, there is a recurring theme: majorities of Bush supporters favor these positions, and they infer that Bush favors them as well."

So people for some reason thinks he favors the same positions they do, when in fact he doesn't. Even after the debate when he criticized the ICC, 53% still believed he favored it. Willful ignorance, or cognitive dissonance...

[Ace42]

We have great porn...

"God bless American porn!"

One word rebuttal:

Amsterdam.

[greenjacketgirl]

All I have got to say is....
Time until November 2, 2008, at Noon(UTC time)
1459 days
35031 hours
2101881 minutes
126112919 seconds
This is a countdown till Bush's term is over...!!!
(y) (y) (y) (y)
someone that is handy needs to make a working counter in this site.. so we can all enjoy the countdown. Beastie's come one get high tech for us..

[Ace42]

Why bother? The world will have ended by then.

Or individual dates will have suceeded from the union, or Bush will have instituted some sort of "emergency measures" act that allows him to run indefinitly, or it'll be Dick Cheney's top-secret genetic clone.

[Rancid_Beasties]

One word rebuttal:

Amsterdam.

Yep!!! :) (y) (y) (y) :)

Plus you guys have almost no censorship on sex on tv and stuff, while you're strict on violence....or is that Denmark.....I can never remember. Make love not war (y)

Thats the right way around if you ask me :D

then the sand crabs would starve themselves

America is the ONLY Nation in HISTORY to not TAKE/KEEP the land they conquer. (Japan, Germany, France, etc....)

You mean the country will continue to grow and we'll defeat terrorism

#1. I'd rather nobody starved, be they arab, american, african...everybody deserves a right to life.
#2. America may be the only nation to not take land from nations they've conquered (thats not true mind you: Philippines), but because they are economic imperialists they in effect control every country. Who needs land when you have this???? Not to mention the colonisation of thought that America has attempted since Vietnam...world democracy is not the right way if what you have in America is democracy. Anyway, all those nations you mentioned gave up their possessions (including France, who gave up Vietnam just before you went back in there and claimed it) post world war II.
#3. Sorry to break it to you, but Terrorism is in every country around the world, they dont have to be backed by a country or even a group like jamar islamir, all they need is some C4 and the will to die for a cause. Its stupidity to think you can defeat terrorism, its a part of human nature. And you country's economy is seriously stuffed. You can't even equip your army properly.

[sea_dragon]

America is the ONLY Nation in HISTORY to not TAKE/KEEP the land they conquer.

Ermm, I think a few Native Americans would beg to differ...

[Rancid_Beasties]

Ermm, I think a few Native Americans would beg to differ...

I can just tell they're gonna blame that on the brittish.....

[Hypestyle]

Fu*k it. Bush won again. Four more years of stupidity to come. Probably war in Iran within 14 months, and likely North Korea. The military will be stretched to its limits. A real, new draft will start. More terror attacks overseas. Hopefully none here. More job outsourcing. Economy will tumble further. Federal bankruptcy? I hope that religious conservatives get their comeuppance. Sweating over stupid things while real chaos reigns. Too many of these clowns—the black ones and the white ones—are too Armageddon-minded and looking for The Rapture to think rationally about these events. I hope they’re happy when more jobs leave and people get even more desperate. Desperate as in crime. Social Security’s getting hacked up. Federal Head Start funding’s getting the axe. Even less affirmative action than before. White entitlement and jackass ‘colorblind’ ethos will abound.

I could never be president. My views are too out of the mainstream to be even remotely accepted by most people. For one thing, I really don’t give a damn about gay marriage—which torches my credibility with roughly 80% of people out there from jump street. For what it’s worth, why deny gay people the opportunity to have their money wasted by wedding planners, photographers, caterers and dining halls, most of whom can be counted on to charge exorbitant fees for minor returns? Why cut out such a potentially lucrative source of income and maybe give the economy a minor boost?

[IceGargoylle]

Even less affirmative action than before.

and thats a bad thing. have you lost a job to A.A.? i have and 2 freinds have, one being a fireman. do you wanna be saved by a person who was the best? or one that just happened to fit a qouta.

A.A. is a bunch of crap and everyone knows it, cept u abviously.

get off your whiny asses and make the system work for you ffs. then when you get tot he top 15% of wage earners, you'll find out how things really work.

im tired of paying taxes for wimps to get wellfare then buy 10 pairs of nikes, buy 1k$ rims for thier POS pimp-mobile, fuck that shit. im tired of paying into SS when im not gonna get any of it. im tired of paying taxes so all you whiny losers can bitch about how unfair your miserable freagn lives are and then slander the very poeple that provide it for you. fuckn move to canada becuase the people who work hard to better themselves and thier families dont need you, america doesnt need you. please leave...oops i forgot, you all dont even have cars just go swim out a few mile sinto international waters, that'll do.

fuck you, you fuckn losers!

[IceGargoylle]

Rancid, your finally getting how these losers operate, they WILL blame you, everyone but themselves for anything that goes wrong.

[Ace42]

have you lost a job to A.A.? i have and 2 freinds have, one being a fireman. do you wanna be saved by a person who was the best? or one that just happened to fit a qouta.

I don't care who I "get saved by" because I am not a biggot.

However, that said, if (as I think you are trying to imply) you mean how would I feel about some pro-Bush white yank getting toasted because some under-educated black guy from a shit neighbourhood couldn't do the job right?

I'd say that it was natural justice. White man keeps black man down, black man is too far down to save white man's ignorant ass when he gets into trouble.

All things work in my favour.

[IceGargoylle]

your 24? i give ya 6 years, you'll be changing your views on alot of things.

[Ace42]

your 24? i give ya 6 years, you'll be changing your views on alot of things.

Yah, that's when my soul expires and I have to fit a new lighter weight conscience.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Rancid, your finally getting how these losers operate, they WILL blame you, everyone but themselves for anything that goes wrong.

Is this supposed to be a coherent sentence???

[laura]

All I have got to say is....
Time until November 2, 2008, at Noon(UTC time)
1459 days
35031 hours
2101881 minutes
126112919 seconds
This is a countdown till Bush's term is over...!!!
(y) (y) (y) (y)
someone that is handy needs to make a working counter in this site.. so we can all enjoy the countdown. Beastie's come one get high tech for us..
it sounds long time.
it's frustrating!

[Speedygee]

it sounds long time.
it's frustrating!

Yes, I know but there's nothing we can do. Just focus on positive issues.

[infidel]

it sounds long time.
it's frustrating!It's only two years till the next congressional elections. Vote those bastards out be they rep or demo if things aren't going right.
Nothing sends shivers of fear though a congress person more than a voting public.

[drobertson420]

I told you so.

Come to a proper country, help prevent it happen here.

We left That country a long time ago.... ;)

[Ace42]

We left That country a long time ago.... ;)

And yet learnt nothing. Like the victim of child-abuse who hates his dad, then beats his own kid. Modern US history sounds like a child-protection agency cliché

[IceGargoylle]

Is this supposed to be a coherent sentence???


wow that was really bad wasnt it. ya i did go to public schools.

[Whois]

One word rebuttal:

Amsterdam.

Sorry, the only thing they do better is Traci Lords and Beastiality.

[Ace42]

Sorry, the only thing they do better is Traci Lords and Beastiality.

Is that not enough for you?!?

[Whois]

Is that not enough for you?!?

They have too much yellow/brown showers stuff, it makes my skin crawl.

...that and the grandma orgy videos (GAH!).

[Rancid_Beasties]

wow that was really bad wasnt it. ya i did go to public schools.

I still dont get what the hell you're saying. Do you think I'm finally turning to the republican side....is that what you meant? Well I'm sorry but I would never vote republican or the Australian equivalent of the Liberal party. I'm as staunch a democrat/labour voter as gmsisko or krs or all-trac is a republican.

[jusme1072]

get off your whiny asses and make the system work for you ffs. then when you get tot he top 15% of wage earners, you'll find out how things really work.

im tired of paying taxes for wimps to get wellfare then buy 10 pairs of nikes, buy 1k$ rims for thier POS pimp-mobile, fuck that shit. im tired of paying into SS when im not gonna get any of it. im tired of paying taxes so all you whiny losers can bitch about how unfair your miserable freagn lives are and then slander the very poeple that provide it for you. fuckn move to canada becuase the people who work hard to better themselves and thier families dont need you, america doesnt need you. please leave...oops i forgot, you all dont even have cars just go swim out a few mile sinto international waters, that'll do.

fuck you, you fuckn losers!

i have so much to say about this load of crap you just dumped on this board i can hardly stand it! what the fuck do you know about people who are on welfare, when was the last time you even walked by the projects? i got knocked up and my son's dad left when i was pregnant, so i ended up on welfare for 1 year, while i went to school and worked part time. then i got a good paying job and now make pretty darn good money. i worked my ass off to get were i am today. i have a fucking car that nobody paid for but me. and if you have ever even been near the projects, because yes, i lived there for two and a half years you would know that 95% of those people don't go by fat sweet rims for their cars. or ten pairs of nikes. they are struggling to keep their kids fed everyday. and you know what i feel pretty good that i know make enought to be able to help someone else out of the shithole their in. and the facts are, jackass, that only about 1% of your taxes, of your fat paycheck that you say you make, goes to any kind of social services. so why don't you get your head out of your ass and actually find out what your money is going to if your so pissed off about! because when i was on welfare i $135 a month, yeah that's it! do you think i bought nikes or rims with that or do you think i bought diapers and a bus pass to get to work and school? i'm just too pissed to go on right now!

[ASsman]

Oh, ok. So we should believe you. Anyways, everyone should stop making generalizations. But you are also making generalizations, saying that people don't waste all their money on "bling" and Nikes.
Two words, Phat Farm, not exactly cheap clothing.
You know as much as he does, you are both wrong.

[jusme1072]

Oh, ok. So we should believe you. Anyways, everyone should stop making generalizations. But you are also making generalizations, saying that people don't waste all their money on "bling" and Nikes.
Two words, Phat Farm, not exactly cheap clothing.
You know as much as he does, you are both wrong.

kay i came on here to apologize for going off like that, but i just have to say that i said 95% of people on welfare don't wast their money on stuff like that. and what exactly is it that i'm wrong about. have you done a poll in the projects to see what people are spending their money on? and you don't have to believe me, i'm just telling what i have seen and where i have been.

kay i'm done. i came on here to apologize for getting my panties in a twist, and so i am going to apologize. everyone has a right to their opinion and to decide what they want their money to go to. that's why we have the freedom to vote. i guess we just know how each of us votes, and that is all.

[outlawnhisbeer]

I fear that the world is in great doom with this war monger in office! We can only hope our troops will survive HIS war! :confused:

[drobertson420]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace42
Yanks don't even KNOW how stupid the majority of them are


That's The Eliteist(sp) Attitude that lost Kerry the Election. (n)

[BGirl]

That's The Eliteist(sp) Attitude that lost Kerry the Election. (n)

Kerry lost the election because the evangelical Christian vote that stayed home for the 2000 election came out in force this time because they want their religious laws written into the Constitution. This bloc of voters tipped the close election in Bush's favor and now they want payback in the form of Supreme Court Justice appointments, but that's a heartache for another day...

I wanted to post because if anyone was interested in my sad little story earlier in this thread about my women's college alumnae community, it takes a happy turn as someone posted yesterday that thanks to the discussions she started "following things more closely" and registered to vote after skipping the last four presidential elections! She thanked me in particular for links & info, her town just got Air America Radio and she listens to that, etc. She voted for Kerry and other Democrats. So that really made my day. :)

(I know what some of you lefties will say about voting for the Democrats but I and so many others know that was the best thing we could do right now to stop the madness that the Bush administration brings. This new voter could eventually help third parties, she's politically engaged now and could go on to decide that she wants to support the Greens or whatever.)

[IceGargoylle]

i have so much to say about this load of crap you just dumped on this board i can hardly stand it! what the fuck do you know about people who are on welfare, when was the last time you even walked by the projects? i got knocked up and my son's dad left when i was pregnant, so i ended up on welfare for 1 year, while i went to school and worked part time. then i got a good paying job and now make pretty darn good money. i worked my ass off to get were i am today. i have a fucking car that nobody paid for but me. and if you have ever even been near the projects, because yes, i lived there for two and a half years you would know that 95% of those people don't go by fat sweet rims for their cars. or ten pairs of nikes. they are struggling to keep their kids fed everyday. and you know what i feel pretty good that i know make enought to be able to help someone else out of the shithole their in. and the facts are, jackass, that only about 1% of your taxes, of your fat paycheck that you say you make, goes to any kind of social services. so why don't you get your head out of your ass and actually find out what your money is going to if your so pissed off about! because when i was on welfare i $135 a month, yeah that's it! do you think i bought nikes or rims with that or do you think i bought diapers and a bus pass to get to work and school? i'm just too pissed to go on right now!

eh? your point is moot becuase you are exactly the opposite of what im am talking about. YOU are what makes this country great. YOU made the RIGHT decisions to better yourself, your kids, and your life. I was referring tot he poeple who dont and WONT make the right decisions and then complain about how they are treated.

You are a model of hope and determination, the veryt higns that america is all about! everyone on this forum should read this and learn what makes people great. this is exactly the attitude the president believes in and thats why i love Bush, its in his heart, not in his head. ANYONE can do it and to believe otherwise is unamerican. You can give the poeple the tools but you CANT giv ethem a pass.

If being successful was easy everyone would be, its not, its damn hard.

[Ace42]

That's The Eliteist(sp) Attitude that lost Kerry the Election. (n)

If you mean he didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator, then yes. But that merely illustrates that he was the superior candidate.

It's a sad state of affairs when even having a "basic understanding of fact, the nature of truth, and rational arguments" is "elite".

But when the majority of a country are backwards yokels, being able to tie your own shoelaces is "elite"

[IceGargoylle]

If you mean he didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator, then yes. But that merely illustrates that he was the superior candidate.

It's a sad state of affairs when even having a "basic understanding of fact, the nature of truth, and rational arguments" is "elite".

But when the majority of a country are backwards yokels, being able to tie your own shoelaces is "elite"


THAT is why Kerry lost. All Dem's are not liberals. the Dem party has been taken over by this way of thinking.

[Ace42]

THAT is why Kerry lost. All Dem's are not liberals. the Dem party has been taken over by this way of thinking.

And the Republican party was taken over by a shaved chimp.

[infidel]

And the Republican party was taken over by a shaved chimp. and don't forget the Christian Taliban

[Whois]

Kerry lost the election because the evangelical Christian vote that stayed home for the 2000 election came out in force this time because they want their religious laws written into the Constitution. This bloc of voters tipped the close election in Bush's favor and now they want payback in the form of Supreme Court Justice appointments, but that's a heartache for another day...

The United Christian States of America

Convert or die (sounds like Borg)

[BGirl]

For more on the payback demands...

Some Bush Supporters Say They Anticipate a 'Revolution' (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/04/politics/campaign/04conserve.html)

[Whois]

For more on the payback demands...

Some Bush Supporters Say They Anticipate a 'Revolution' (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/04/politics/campaign/04conserve.html)

...and the Taliban are on the move here in Unamerica.

[IceGargoylle]

Ace, you are saying you are better than me. plain and simple. thats what the media projects, thats what the Dem(liberal) party projects. JFK, FDR, Carter, Clinton werent like this. the party wasnt like this. i love lieberman, he is a straight talking guy, Dean although i dont agree with him is also a very straight guy. those 2 even though they would have stood smaller chance to win would have been in the right direction.

but kerry comes in and in the primary was anti-war, he wins nomination, then changes his whole story. then he changes his views on most everything else. wall in isreal bad, then a month later its good. suv's are bad to evironmentalists, but in detroit they are great. it goes on and on and on. the liberals would have us think that no issue is simple, everything in the world is complex. it really isnt. religion doesnt mean people are bible freaks. its a anchor, it is what helps people cope with things they ordinarily couldnt. i was in AA, the higher power thing is exactly the same thing. religion just says do the right thng, do it to the best of your ability and have faith that it will work out in the right way. and it works! im not religous but i know the things that i cant change and the things i can, i work hard to change the things i can and my life has done a 180 from 12 years ago. i was sittn there with my friends having a good time with a low paying job. finally i said fuck it, nothing got better, nothing changed, i was in the same spot after 6 years. i said cya, nvr talked to any of them again. went to college took 7 years for a 4 year BS. had to work 32-full time the whole time. funny thing is i didnt even get a job i n that field, im now the director of maintenance for a landscape company and i do pretty good. I had landscaped since i was 16. got married got a house 2 new cars. it just worked out and not becuase im religous but becuase the belief system works. no matter what you believe in it works.

liberals cant understand this thinking. you Ace think its dumb and backwards and that it gives you the right to look down on everyone like us. well think of i t this way, in 25 years when im part of the top 2% of wage earners i can count on you to still be in the position you are in today becuase you dont believe that hope and faith(in anything) will get you anywhere except into a trailer park.

[IceGargoylle]

i have so much to say about this load of crap you just dumped on this board i can hardly stand it! what the fuck do you know about people who are on welfare, when was the last time you even walked by the projects? i got knocked up and my son's dad left when i was pregnant, so i ended up on welfare for 1 year, while i went to school and worked part time. then i got a good paying job and now make pretty darn good money. i worked my ass off to get were i am today. i have a fucking car that nobody paid for but me. and if you have ever even been near the projects, because yes, i lived there for two and a half years you would know that 95% of those people don't go by fat sweet rims for their cars. or ten pairs of nikes. they are struggling to keep their kids fed everyday. and you know what i feel pretty good that i know make enought to be able to help someone else out of the shithole their in. and the facts are, jackass, that only about 1% of your taxes, of your fat paycheck that you say you make, goes to any kind of social services. so why don't you get your head out of your ass and actually find out what your money is going to if your so pissed off about! because when i was on welfare i $135 a month, yeah that's it! do you think i bought nikes or rims with that or do you think i bought diapers and a bus pass to get to work and school? i'm just too pissed to go on right now!

Ace, i am qouting this post again. whether she realizes it or not, she believed and had faith in somethinig. she believed in herself and others to make a better life for herself. she didnt think she was entitled to a good life, she believed that bettering herself would better her llife. and it did.

This is the concept liberals cant understand.

[Ace42]

Ace, you are saying you are better than me.

If the cap fits. I'm smarter than you. That is a preferable synonym to "better" than "richer"

I had landscaped since i was 16. got married got a house 2 new cars. it just worked out and not becuase im religous but becuase the belief system works. no matter what you believe in it works.

It worked *for you* - if NO-ONE ELSE IN AMERICA had that happen to them, JUST YOU. Would you say "see, it works!" Now what if it was just you and one other guy it worked for. What about just 50 of you? A hundred? A thousand? What if it only works for people in your county, or state? What if it only works for men? What if it only works for white people?

liberals cant understand this thinking.

"It worked for ME, so everything is fine!"

Well as long as Mr Pleasant's alright. Yes, I understand that thinking, but I dismiss it as selfish and ignorant.

well think of i t this way, in 25 years when im part of the top 2% of wage earners i can count on you to still be in the position you are in today becuase you dont believe that hope and faith(in anything) will get you anywhere except into a trailer park.

When in 25 years you are penniless because your business got dwarfed by a big national company. Or because the economy has been driven into the ground, and no-one can afford landscaping, then tell me that.

Top 2% - how much do you think you have to earn to make that?

And "count on me to be in the position I am today" - how do you know that I won't inherit a fortune from my rich capitalist daddy in the next 25 years, and be so stinking rich I could play with your business like it was a chew toy? That is the system you have so much faith in. You work hard your whole day, and think you've made it, then some lucky eco-artisocrat sniggers at your naivety and bitch slaps you back down to earth.

Some people work hard and get nowhere and go bust. Some people sit on their fat asses and get given your, and hundred people like you's share with a cherry on top for doing squat.

"Hey, the system works. I spent my life building up a business, had a nice house and car. But then a national chain moved in, put us under, the bank forclosed, everything got repossed, and my wife left me for someone that could provide for the kids"

Don't think it happens? It happens every day. Your argument for the system is "hey, i've been lucky!" - well whoop de fucking doo. *I've* been lucky, but I still see the system for the crock it is.

[Whois]

This Unamerica update brought to you by the Unification Church. Remember, the Rev Moon has declared himself the second coming of Christ...so be good.

(Gee, this sounds like Gizmo)

http://www.freep.com/news/cfp/3/vshoot28_20041028.htm

TAYLOR: Death is result of debate about God

BY JOEL THURTELL

October 28, 2004


A Taylor police dispatcher took the call at precisely 12:44 p.m. on Oct. 18.

A 49-year-old man said he'd just blasted a man with a revolver and a shotgun because the man said he didn't believe in God.

The dispatcher said the alleged shooter told him he'd just shot "the devil himself" and was still armed and standing over the body of the 62-year-old victim "in case he moved."

"I want to make sure he's gone," the alleged shooter told the dispatcher.

The dispatcher asked the suspect how many times he shot the victim.

"Hopefully enough," was the suspect's chilling reply, according to the dispatcher.

When police arrived in the 15600 block of McGuire, they could see the victim seated on a living room couch with major trauma to his head, officers said.

They said they were certain he was dead. He was.

Lying on a hallway floor was a black 12-gauge shotgun. Two spent shotgun shells lay on the floor nearby.

Later, police found a revolver with five spent cartridge casings.

On the way to the police station, the suspect told police "he did not want to deal with anyone that did not believe in God," according to the report.

The report also indicated that the suspect and the victim knew each other, although their relationship was unclear.

The suspect said he was an Eagle Scout, the report said.

The suspect said the victim had told him there was nothing he could say that would convince the 62-year-old to believe in God.

Following this discussion, the suspect said, he went into another room and removed his shirt. Then he shaved his face.

He tried once more to convince the victim to believe in God, but this time, he had the shotgun.

"How long would it take you to believe in God?" the suspect said he asked the victim.

"Not until I hear Gabriel blow his horn," the victim allegedly replied, while tipping his hat.

That's when the suspect shot him.

"I did it because he is evil; he was not a believer," the suspect told police.

The suspect said the victim "has been locked up most of his life."

Michigan Department of Corrections records indicate the victim was on probation for a drug conviction.

At the police station, the suspect commented that he believed there is a God.

Then, looking at the floor, he seemed to have second thoughts: "Maybe there's not," he said.

[Ace42]

At the police station, the suspect commented that he believed there is a God.

Then, looking at the floor, he seemed to have second thoughts: "Maybe there's not," he said.

Doh!

[Whois]

Doh!

"Ha ha" - Nelson

[IceGargoylle]

hehe Ace, you state my case for me. better, smarter whatever you prefer because you believe you ARE smarter than me. but your posts lead me to conclude otherwise my friend.

[ASsman]

Well then thats that. Ace you aren't he said so.

[Whois]

hehe Ace, you state my case for me. better, smarter whatever you prefer because you believe you ARE smarter than me. but your posts lead me to conclude otherwise my friend.

Damm, this guy is da shit fer debating...

[jusme1072]

Ace, i am qouting this post again. whether she realizes it or not, she believed and had faith in somethinig. she believed in herself and others to make a better life for herself. she didnt think she was entitled to a good life, she believed that bettering herself would better her llife. and it did.

This is the concept liberals cant understand.

cause i'm liberal and i understand it. i believed i was fortunate enough to go through those circumstances while clinton was president and that assistance was there for me. i believed that when i got to were i wanted to be i could help others do the same. i believed that my neighbors in the projects did not feel entilted but angry and frustrated. i believe that i can make a difference and that it doesn't have to include someone "earning" that difference.

This is the concept the right wing conservatives cant understand.

[drobertson420]

If you mean he didn't appeal to the lowest common denominator, then yes. But that merely illustrates that he was the superior candidate.

It's a sad state of affairs when even having a "basic understanding of fact, the nature of truth, and rational arguments" is "elite".

But when the majority of a country are backwards yokels, being able to tie your own shoelaces is "elite"


When you make statements that berate people and place them below you, You Are An Elitist. ;)

[Ace42]

When you make statements that berate people and place them below you, You Are An Elitist. ;)

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism Audio pronunciation of "elitist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ltzm, -l-)
n.

1. The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.
2.
1. The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
2. Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.

When you make statements that berate people and place them below you, you are not putting yourself in an elite. Elite, by its very nature, is an exceptional group. By berating people, I am classing them as "Sub-normal", not "average in comparisson to the elite I perceive myself as part of" Futhermore, even if you (incorrectly) took this to mean that I was putting myself into an elite, it would still not mean that I believed these people deserved special additional rights.

However, as I said, only in America does being able to accept and process objective fact make you part of an "Intellectual elite" - in the rest of the world, that merely makes you part of the non-congenitally disadvantaged majority.

[drobertson420]

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism Audio pronunciation of "elitist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ltzm, -l-)
"I'm smarter than you. That is a preferable synonym to "better" than "richer"

.

[drobertson420]

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism Audio pronunciation of "elitist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ltzm, -l-)
Originally Posted by EF shhhh Hutton
4 more years, bud!


Yeah, but you'll only be able to afford the internet fees required to spam this place for two of those.

[drobertson420]

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism Audio pronunciation of "elitist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ltzm, -l-)


It's probably because their literacy would make them more qualified than a significant percentage of US citizens.

[Ace42]

t's probably because their literacy would make them more qualified than a significant percentage of US citizens.

Are you suggesting being literate makes you part of an elite? Back to my point: Maybe in America. In the rest of the first-world, literacy is not an abnormally high level of social stratification.



My nan is "smarter" that IceGargoyle, and she isn't exactly an astro-physicist. It has nothing to do with "elitism".

[quote]Yeah, but you'll only be able to afford the internet fees required to spam this place for two of those.

How is Bush ruining the economy to the point where many average (read: common) people (Americans) can't afford to get online *me* being elitist?

[drobertson420]

Nevermind....just playing...

[Ali]

We have great porn...

"God bless American porn!" Latvian pron in way better.

[Ali]

i have so much to say about this load of crap you just dumped on this board i can hardly stand it! what the fuck do you know about people who are on welfare, when was the last time you even walked by the projects? i got knocked up and my son's dad left when i was pregnant, so i ended up on welfare for 1 year, while i went to school and worked part time. then i got a good paying job and now make pretty darn good money. i worked my ass off to get were i am today. i have a fucking car that nobody paid for but me. and if you have ever even been near the projects, because yes, i lived there for two and a half years you would know that 95% of those people don't go by fat sweet rims for their cars. or ten pairs of nikes. they are struggling to keep their kids fed everyday. and you know what i feel pretty good that i know make enought to be able to help someone else out of the shithole their in. and the facts are, jackass, that only about 1% of your taxes, of your fat paycheck that you say you make, goes to any kind of social services. so why don't you get your head out of your ass and actually find out what your money is going to if your so pissed off about! because when i was on welfare i $135 a month, yeah that's it! do you think i bought nikes or rims with that or do you think i bought diapers and a bus pass to get to work and school? i'm just too pissed to go on right now! ReeeeeeespeK!

[Ali]

hehe Ace, you state my case for me. better, smarter whatever you prefer because you believe you ARE smarter than me. but your posts lead me to conclude otherwise my friend. Word. Ace is a bit too arrogant to be taken seriously. Too much time on his hands, methinks.

And enuff with the goddam dictionary definitions! Defining stuff just makes you look pompous and condescending.

[drobertson420]

Originally Posted by Whois
At the police station, the suspect commented that he believed there is a God.

Then, looking at the floor, he seemed to have second thoughts: "Maybe there's not," he said.






Buyer's Remorse

[Ace42]

Word. Ace is a bit too arrogant to be taken seriously. Too much time on his hands, methinks.

And enuff with the goddam dictionary definitions! Defining stuff just makes you look pompous and condescending.

I people didn't keep trying to use words in a strictly private sense, I would not need to.