Rock Stars Make Rock! Regular people make their own decisions!

[DecideOnYourOwn]

I am a huge music fan and I've been following the B boys since I was in 5th grade, jumpin' on my trampoline rappin every word on the license to ill album. I want to say though, that people can mix music and politics, or sports and politics. I think it's OK. But, I'm so so so happy that Bush won this election! And here is why: The entertainment industry is here to entertain us, and throw out their views, but it is UP TO US TO MAKE UP OUR OWN MINDS! I hope that all of these anti-bush rock stars realize that! The Beasties raised my conciousness on Tibet and made me really think. My experience with the tibetan freedom concerts/Milarepa involvement has been wonderful in that they encouraged me to find out and research issues on my own. Even the 5 bouroughs album got me thinkin' about what I need to study before election day. I made my decision, I don't agree with all of the B Boys views and I think that's OK. I still rock the albums! It just made me sick this year when I went to the warped tour and saw some crappy bands telling their fans that bush sucks! But not a word why, and zero encouragement to go and study it out on their own! I went and saw that liar, Michael Moore speak. I wanted to hear what he had to say. He made some funny comments, and then told me how bad my views suck. Then, the guy brought roseanne barr on stage. Wow, that really helped. Good job mikey, was a celeb supposed to help?
At a Santana show, the amazing guitarist told the crowd that we need to get Bush out of the white house. He didn't say why. He actually thought that we were there to do his political bidding since he had our attention. Why couldn't he encourage us to study it out? Even though the youth were totally inundated by the same biased crap on MTV for the past 2 years, bush still won! If I were between the ages of 18 to 25 watching MTV daily, I'd hate bush and I'd be afraid that if I didn't vote, puffy was going to kill me. Well puffy, it didn't work, the youth percentage who voted stayed the same. A message to the rock stars of today: Encourage the youth to think! Don't tell them which candidate to vote for! I love my favorite bands! I love the B Boys! I love how passionate artists are! I respect their opinions! Even when I don't agree. But please, guys, if you're serious about the issues, encourage people to think and study it out for themselves! Don't ever, ever tell them who to vote for. I hope they've learned their lesson. Much love, Ryan

[chuckchillout]

Nice!!

It shows just how great Bush is!!

I agree with you 100%.

And for all those people who are going to hate Bush for the next four years, that's fine, you have a right to do that as Americans. But here is an idea...

If Bush is poor on something you are really for, GET INVOLVED!!!

If it's the enviroment, learn about it, how it work in the government, join a local club or group and be active.

I guess what I am saying is all that hate for a single person could be turned into a positive for yourself and others.

Chuck

[Parkey]

Guns don't kill people, rappers do...

[brianavalentino]

Nice!!

It shows just how great Bush is!!

I agree with you 100%.

And for all those people who are going to hate Bush for the next four years, that's fine, you have a right to do that as Americans. But here is an idea...

If Bush is poor on something you are really for, GET INVOLVED!!!

If it's the enviroment, learn about it, how it work in the government, join a local club or group and be active.

I guess what I am saying is all that hate for a single person could be turned into a positive for yourself and others.

Chuck

Wow thanks that's really insightful but uh, you see I've been working my ass off for the last four years just to be able to afford healthcare. Because of Bush, not only did that become too expensive, but he cut financial aid to colleges and universities too. So I got fucked there. I have gotten EXTREMELY involved, but for those of us who work three jobs just to make rent we like to use our extra time to try and sleep three hours a night. Unlike all you pampered Republican brats who go around being bigots and racists and love blurring the line between church and state. Fuck you.

[sheezymyneezy88]

Maybe the musicians didn't explain because they thought it was obvious. Oops. I guess they gave the American public more credit then it deserves as far as intelligence is concerned.

[sabrina]

I also agree with you. I got that mass e-mail the Beastie Boys website sent telling me to vote for Kerry and that if I needed convincing to check out the Eminem "Mosh" video. First of all, I can make up my own mind and second of all Eminem is an idiot who promotes hate. How can the Beastie Boys refer me to him and expect me to listen!! The irony of it all was that I voted for Kerry, but the Beasties almost changed my mind!! I still love their music, but if they want me to listen to what they have to say, they shouldn't do it by shoving their dogma in my face. LET ME DECIDE!!

[slownlow]

Maybe the musicians didn't explain because they thought it was obvious. Oops. I guess they gave the American public more credit then it deserves as far as intelligence is concerned.


55% of americans just got FAR more credit then they deserved. Idiots.

Im so embarrassed.

[DJ_Skrilla]

Well my state voted for Kerry a long with Cali, NY and any other states where people actually use there head. Any other states fuck you dont worry I wont be visiting there.... cuz u aint got shit and I dont give a fuck who you vote for cuz either way bush sucks.... keep on pretending but when u get old enough and have to move out of mommys house u might understand.

[Extra Cheese]

ok, the election is over. bush won. its time to start condensing the threads

[sarahd]

Please tell me the difference in these 2 scenarios:

# 1 - A person receives numerous political phone calls a day from one political party or another. The recording that is playing is either supporting the Democratic party or the Rebulican party. It is your choice to agree or disagree.

# 2 - The Beastie Boys express their opinions openly to their fans, showing their political support to be with Kerry. It is your choice to agree or disagree.

Duh, there is no difference in these 2 scenarios, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE THE CHOICE.

If you felt like the Beasties were "shoving their dogma in your face" then you should have deleted the email, once again your choice to disagree.

We live in a free country where we have the right to make our own choices. Opinions are part of choices. The next time you see a politcal supporter or a person telling you their opinion, then maybe you should tell them to stop shoving it in your face.

Just my opinion, I am making the CHOICE to DISAGREE.

President Bush has a lot of fixing to do, the mess is his, so hopefully he can get it cleaned up...................because it is a BIG one.

[DecideOnYourOwn]

Wow thanks that's really insightful but uh, you see I've been working my ass off for the last four years just to be able to afford healthcare. Because of Bush, not only did that become too expensive, but he cut financial aid to colleges and universities too. So I got fucked there. I have gotten EXTREMELY involved, but for those of us who work three jobs just to make rent we like to use our extra time to try and sleep three hours a night. Unlike all you pampered Republican brats who go around being bigots and racists and love blurring the line between church and state. Fuck you.
wow, that was really educated and cute. I really hope that FU wasn't for me. But no matter who that was intended for, I too worked my butt off in college and barely got by on top ramen. waa waa waa etc.... i was trying to make a point about celebs, not about my views on our president I am a republican, I work hard so my wife can eat, and I'm not spoiled, I'm not a brat. Quit hating people briana, and quit stereotyping. And then quit the bigotry.and then try to help others to do the same. not with anger and big mean f words. it makes you loose credability and respect.

[mdpayne]

That's great. You all just do what you want, but I still think Kerry is better. Not because of the Beastie Boys though. I don't think they are trying to force people to vote for Kerry though, they are just trying to speak their mind. It's not like they're going to physically make you, or whatever. I also don't like it when people are practically saying shut up and entertain me, because they do have the freedom of speech, and they wanted to speak their mind, and I admire them for not being afraid to. That's just my opinion, though. But you all have your own opinions, and I totally respect that. (y)

[Parkey]

What kind of country doesn't have healthcare? That's rhetorical by the way...

[N. Hornblower]

also agree with you. I got that mass e-mail the Beastie Boys website sent telling me to vote for Kerry and that if I needed convincing to check out the Eminem "Mosh" video. First of all, I can make up my own mind and second of all Eminem is an idiot who promotes hate. How can the Beastie Boys refer me to him and expect me to listen!!

Awesome.

I saw them refer us to Eminems deal and thought, who the fuck cares about Eminem and his video??!!

[Echewta]

I thought after 4 years we would have been united, not divided. Can't remember who said they would bring us together... Lil help?

[cosmo105]

damnit chewie, i was going to say that. curse you :mad:

[kid fresh]

this belongs in general political discussion...gosh, these threads are annoying.

[Hypestyle]

heh...

[Sure shot]

ok its fine that you guys like Bush, though i don't understand why, his IQ is really low and i can't understand why you would wanna be represented by a redneck cowboy who thinks dropings bombs on people is gonna sole anything. But if you like seeing people die as long as its not you thats fine, what i really dont understand is how you can call michael moore a liar when you have no evidence. The rock star says Bush sucks and its stupid cause he has no points or reasons to say it...u call michael moore a liar ( when he really has backed everything up) and YOU have no points or reasons to back it up.

[BSTEGRL]

Nice!!

It shows just how great Bush is!!

I agree with you 100%.

And for all those people who are going to hate Bush for the next four years, that's fine, you have a right to do that as Americans. But here is an idea...

If Bush is poor on something you are really for, GET INVOLVED!!!

If it's the enviroment, learn about it, how it work in the government, join a local club or group and be active.

I guess what I am saying is all that hate for a single person could be turned into a positive for yourself and others.

Chuck

Ok, first of all.....what just shows how great Bush is? I'm not being an ass, I just don't know what you mean.

Second of all, what makes you think that us "Bush haters" DONT do anything but sit around talking shit on the president (although I do that too). I disliked Bush in 2000 and have been actively protesting since 9-11. I've been spit on, threatened, had things thrown at me, etc. by all the "Bush lovers". The point is, I've been very active about it for a long time and am offended that the Kerry voters on this board don't get the credit we deserve. I, as well as many others on this board, made my OWN, INFORMED, desicion that Kerry was the better....we didn't all just jump on the "Vote (Kerry) or die", MTV, etc. bandwagon!

[BSTEGRL]

P.S...Micheal Moore isn't a "lair", he's just really bias.

[A7BGrl]

Everyone who voted for Bush between the ages of 18 and 34 should go and register NOW for the army, navy, airforce or marines.

When Bush, who you and/or your parents elected, insistutes the draft, you all should already be there (war) so that the people who DIDNT vote for this wacko dont have to go off to war if they dont choose to.

Go on, inlist. Hurry.

[Documad]

I hope they've learned their lesson.
Thanks for joining the board just to dump on it. What "lesson" do you hope Beastie Boys learned?

I think that artists, like everyone else, are allowed to express their opinions on politics and anything else that interests them. I never dream that I have to follow what they say or adopt their values. It happens that I have liberal values and prefer artists whose work expresses my values. I think that Neil Young, Carlos Santana, Beastie Boys and others have earned the right to use their platforms to express whatever they want. If it upsets you, you can decide not to support it.

Having just spent a long time working for local democratic candidates and John Kerry, door to door, one person at a time, I can definitely say that if I had a wider forum, I'd sure as hell use it. I never dreamed that with how uneducated, biased, and scared the national population is, we ever had more than a slim chance of winning the presidency this year. But we did a fantastic job in my state, we won for Kerry, we knocked a ton of incumbant republicans out of our state legislature, and I think we proved that we'll take down our right-wing governor in two years.

Beastie Boys should continue to say whatever they want on their stage, newsletter, website, etc. Please!

[DandyFop]

Then, the guy brought roseanne barr on stage. Wow, that really helped. Good job mikey, was a celeb supposed to help?



Do you live in Utah? He brought roseanne up for that show.

I respect what you said about the Beasties encouraging people to find out for themselves.

[Ord Lees]

It's a common republican spin to degrade discussions like this into 'opinion,' acting as though this is a big sports game where two people have been being president for the same time, battling it out, and you should just 'have your opinion about it' and call it a day.

But Bush's record is not opinion, the facts are Bush has driven the economy into a weaker state, job loss is higher since he entered office (and don't act like losing a management job is made up for by being able to go work a lower-paying job at a fast food place, like republicans do when they talk about job numbers) and both Iraqi and US people are dying in Iraq over misleading speculation ("lies") about how dangerous that country was. (Yes, Saddam was killing his own people. But not killing as many Iraqis as have been killed since the start of the war, not even close. Citizens, mind you. These numbers not from democrats but from Iraqi doctors and officials themselves.) Halliburton is a Cheney source of income, and is continually offered contracts even though they have violated trust by overcharging the government and provided mediocre service to our troops.

So it's not like the Beastie Boys are offering their opinion based on nothing.

It's Bush's record that they probably used as a reference point. It would appear that it was so important to them to make you investigate Bush that they went out on a limb and put it down on record.

And this is a job for them. We all have jobs, and we have opinions on politics, so what's the problem, other than you differ in opinion from them on this topic? If a dentist or car salesman has a political opinion, does that make you mad? For instance, when you go to your job and (insert whatever it is you do here) does that stop you from being allowed to be concerned about politics? And cause others to say 'that dude's opinion is nothing, he should stick to (insert whatever you do here)!" I mean, if the dentist wore a big 'Kerry Puts a Smile on Your Face' smock then I guess you could just try another dentist right?

So... Who is supposed to pay attention to politics then? I think politics is all of us, guy. All citizens who care about the workings of our government.
I'm sure the Beastie Boys have families and friends and opinons like you do, and they probably voted as did a lot of US citizens did.

Don't confuse 'I don't like their opinion' with 'people should not express opinion."

*sorry, wanted to add: "This Government Needs A Tune-Up!"

[crissypoo]

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/arnolds3.html

check this link out--can we just all have fun together

I voted Bush too, he is a good man! AlQuaida was planning 911 during the Clinton admin--that is why the economy was hurt

I like Nadar--he says some great things, we should all try to help one another
and quit bitchin about what we don't like--let's all make some personal changes top help our fellow man

Kerry was nice, another good man, but too indecisive--We need to go after Bin Laden, he laughs while he plans for more evil---

Bush is a good man, he is a great leader--I trust him :)

Now, I really LOVE the BBOYS as entertainers, I hope they can use their influences in positive ways. It is nice to see them so passionate about
life now--they have a lot to say, and I love their rhymes- ;)
Can we agree to disagree? Everyone has a different and valuable opinion--
Your songs have made me think more critically, but still I felt that Bush was the best choice for many reasons--

[toreadore]

Welcome to Bush's 2004!
Are you Ready for the Third World War?
You too will meet the secret police
They'll draft you and they'll jail your niece

You'll go quietly to boot camp
They'll shoot you dead, make you a man
Don't you worry, it's for a cause
Feeding global corporations' claws!

Greetings! With this slightly alternative lyrics of DK's "We've got a bigger problem now", I just want to express my frustration that your country has elected such a clown..AGAIN! Can't believe that some rednecks from Nebraska or Alabama or what the heck your lousy hillbilly states are called should be able to decide on anything concerning the whole world.

You had every opportunity and you wasted them. Now we're stuck with Cheney, Rumsfeld etc. and this pretty world is going to hell.

Tore, Copenhagen, Denmark.

[A7BGrl]

[QUOTE=crissypoo]Kerry was nice, another good man, but too indecisive--We need to go after Bin Laden, he laughs while he plans for more evil---
Bush is a good man, he is a great leader--I trust him :)[QUOTE]

I just had to comment on this one....

Bush decided, insted of focusing on finding Bin Laden, he would insted put all of the countrys time and money and LIVES into reigning war on another country that had NOTHING to do with 9/11 or Bin Laden (and also no WMD, by the way). So, for 3 years, the man you trust has been focusing on the major war he created, and focusing on the election, INSTEAD of focusing on finding Bin Laden. Kerry said that would be number one on his list of things to do....

Insted of just listening to what other people said about the candidates....did you even read each candidates webpage they provided, or listen to what EACH candidate said they would actually will do when they get into office??
Did you know what our, as taxpayers, money would go towards with each candidate when they got into office?? Dont just support a candidate that your parents support, go out and read about them, not just for 20 minutes, but for days you should be reading about what their plan is for the next 4 years. It's that important. I seriously dont understand how any human being could vote for GWB against Kerry....Kerry is for the regular man that works, he helps people get healthcare, he protects the enviorment for the future, he supports science and finding cures for diseases and ailments, he actually CARES about soldiers lives, and he wants to be lenient with how many people he sends to war. Bush supports tax breaks to the wealthy (?!), no help with healthcare, he supports making new, and more weapons, his main focus (and taxpayer money) is for making war, he doesnt intelligently negotiate with other countries, if they dont like the first thing he says, he goes to war with them? Thats NOT a true leader, you're supposed to have long discussions, and try to make both parties happy, and then, AFTER that, do what you have to do, if needed. As for trusting him, he is so hypocritical--he dodges the draft himself when he was drafted in his youth, but then he is talking about instituing the draft again?!...and to go to war in Iraq nonetheless, the very war he started, that has nothing to do with Bin Laden.

Just read up on who you're gonna vote for in 2008, please.

[cj hood]

the only things the hillbillies care about is anti-gay and anti-abortion........that's why Bush is back!

[pshabi]

You're a pathetic dipshit if you created an account on the MOTHERFUCKINGBEASTIEBOYS website just to make two POLITICAL POSTS. Get a clue.
wow, that was really educated and cute. I really hope that FU wasn't for me. But no matter who that was intended for, I too worked my butt off in college and barely got by on top ramen. waa waa waa etc.... i was trying to make a point about celebs, not about my views on our president I am a republican, I work hard so my wife can eat, and I'm not spoiled, I'm not a brat. Quit hating people briana, and quit stereotyping. And then quit the bigotry.and then try to help others to do the same. not with anger and big mean f words. it makes you loose credability and respect.

[pshabi]

the only things the hillbillies care about is anti-gay and anti-abortion........that's why Bush is back!
sad but true. sad but true.

[PaddyBoy]

Why do people come here to this music board to complain about bands that mix music and politics, and then actually discuss politics in depth?

I had a thread recently that was moved, it had much more relevence to the Beastie Boys than this thread and many others like it....MOVE IT! Give us all a break from Republicans and Democrats.

[captain_caveman]

I am really damn curious what the main issue is that the Pro-Bush folks that post to this board is. What is that makes you a Republican? Taxes? Terror? Is it because your parents are? Please articulate. This election has given us a lot to think about and I really want to try and understand this.

Here is my 2 cents. The moral issues thing just does not make sense - how can someone say they are voting for "moral issues" and then vote to re elect a president that started a war that has killed 100,000 people?

[trésbienfem]

whether or not someone says to vote one way or another, most people will make up their own minds. however that doesn't stop people from saying who to vote for. plenty of people that are just like anyone else say who to vote for, they just don't have as much access to as many people as movie stars and musicians do. don't hate on these famous people just because they are speaking out.

at least they give a shit and ARE speaking out, period, just like any American should.

[WheyZ]

I am really damn curious what the main issue is that the Pro-Bush folks that post to this board is. What is that makes you a Republican? Taxes? Terror? Is it because your parents are? Please articulate. This election has given us a lot to think about and I really want to try and understand this.

Here is my 2 cents. The moral issues thing just does not make sense - how can someone say they are voting for "moral issues" and then vote to re elect a president that started a war that has killed 100,000 people?



what i would like to know is why you voted for kerry, cuz u like his views or becuz you simply dont like bush? everyone questions why people would vote for bush yet its okay to vote for kerry just becuz its not bush. theres many morals behind the iraq war, if you dont see saddam as an oppressive dictator then i think you havent kept up with world events for the past 10 years. gassing the kurds, tryin to invade kuwait, breakin UN resolutions, funding terrorist families of hamas, shooting at US planes in the in the No Fly Zone. the oil for food scandel, etc etc. to act like nothing was happening over there is morally wrong, and it took something like 911 for the US to react. bitches like micheal moore said theirs no such thing as a terrorist threat. ok, so what happened in Spain, what happened to our saliors killed on the USS Cole, the africans in the US embassy in Kenya, the people killed all over the planet every day in the planet in vain. yes, our miltary has killed innocent people by not on purpose, its crossfire. when you got these people cutting off heads, bombing themselves in buses filled with kids, hijacking schools and murdering little kids, you know theres a true problem around this planet...you can avoid it, but its still gonna be there.

[DecideOnYourOwn]

In my original post, I really just wanted to make a point that I'm glad that people didn't blindly follow rock stars and vote for Kerry. At least enough people didn't. Blind voting is rediculous. I've talked to so many knobs who voted for kerry because the warped tour bands said so, or ben affleck, or some other wealthy star who needs to remain cool instead of actually work for a living and look at the issues. I did not want to get into the heart of why I voted for bush. I just wanted to see people's reaction to my statement about rock star's influence on people. But, after reading all the numbnuts responses I see, I'll give in and join in the political garbage..... here goes....
There were 39 U.S. combat related fatalities in Iraq during the month of January. This is a tragic result of war. Some pay a greater price for freedom than others. Some give everything. But in the city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. Thatís just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.
When some claim President Bush shouldnt have started this war because Iraq never attacked us they forget:
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us. Japan did. From 1941 to 1945, 450,000 U.S. lives were lost. This is an average of 112,500 per year.
President Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950 to 1953 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.
John F. Kennedy first committed troops to Vietnam in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. President Johnson committed one half a million young Americans to Vietnam on any given day. From 1965 to 1975 58,000 of Americaís finest young men and women were lost.
President Clinton went to war in Bosnia without U.N. or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama Bin Laden three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the three years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, bloodied al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. (With chemical weaponsóWMD)
Some complain about how long the war took, but it took les time to take Baghdad than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Dravidian compound. That took 51 days.
We have been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd ID et all to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida.

War is an ugly thing, but it is not the ugliest thing. Far uglier are those who benefit so much from those who gave their lives to protect this precious gift of freedom, yet call them ìbaby killersî and ìmurders.î Freedom has a different taste for those who have had to defend it in combat.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. We forgot that for a season.
When you take to the streets to protest the war on terror you might remember the words of Father Dennis Edward OíBrien:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter, who gave us freedom of press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who gave us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gave us freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protesters to burn the flag."
As a nation we will survive George Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and the press. What we cannot survive is the every growing movement of polarization and hatred that permeates American politics today. There are those in politics whose only enemy is their fellow Americans. It was al-Qaida who attacked the World Trade Center, not George Bush or John Kerry. Please try to remember that. At the end of the day what will save us is unity as Americans not hatred of each other. Ok sweet bitches, there it was. Don't ever tell me I vote Republican because my parents do, and don't ever tell me my republican state is hillbilly country..... gosh, just be nicer...

[yeahwho]

The coolest music in the World has a political message. Humpty Dumpty! Rise Up! Mosh! All are just a natural progression. Join in and sing with the band.

[fonky pizza]

so there're people telling people to decide on their own?

now that's funny!

and what would rock be about then.....

[N. Hornblower]

Greetings! With this slightly alternative lyrics of DK's "We've got a bigger problem now", I just want to express my frustration that your country has elected such a clown..AGAIN! Can't believe that some rednecks from Nebraska or Alabama or what the heck your lousy hillbilly states are called should be able to decide on anything concerning the whole world.

HEY!! Another COUNTRY heard from!!

And the People posting from CANADA can chill out to, because being European or a Canadian doesn't make you an AMERICAN.

In case you didn't realize that. ;)

[Whois]

HEY!! Another COUNTRY heard from!!

And the People posting from CANADA can chill out to, because being European or a Canadian doesn't make you an AMERICAN.

In case you didn't realize that. ;)

But being Canadian makes them North Americans...

Back for another beating?

[cookiepuss]

Wow thanks that's really insightful but uh, you see I've been working my ass off for the last four years just to be able to afford healthcare. Because of Bush, not only did that become too expensive, but he cut financial aid to colleges and universities too. So I got fucked there. I have gotten EXTREMELY involved, but for those of us who work three jobs just to make rent we like to use our extra time to try and sleep three hours a night. Unlike all you pampered Republican brats who go around being bigots and racists and love blurring the line between church and state. Fuck you.

Thank you! I work two jobs and still can not afford healthcare. :( there is definetly something wrong with this system and Bush aint' gonna fix it.

[cookiepuss]

HEY!! Another COUNTRY heard from!!

And the People posting from CANADA can chill out to, because being European or a Canadian doesn't make you an AMERICAN.

In case you didn't realize that. ;)

yeah you might be right about the eurpoeans but Canadians are americans..they live in Notrh America..and Brazilians are also americans because they live in SOUTH AMERICA. NOrth or South..these are the americas..which makes everone who lives on these contenents "americans". the term you need to be using is United States citizens.

[ASsman]

This thread is gayer than the Gay Marriage thread.
Also, don't want artists voicing their opinion. Then don't voice yours, unless something makes you better than them...

[toreadore]

Why are you Bush-Loving Beastie Fans so keen to separate music from politics, when you can't do the same with politics and religion? I can't stand your self righteous attitude to everything that doesn't celebrate thanksgiving, play american football or eats T-Bone Steaks till you choke.

Maybe you all should cut down on the hamburgers - its seems like the fat goes to your brain, making a inpenetrable layer so no impulses from the outside world get in.

[ASsman]

I know someone from Denmark. And Copenhagan, Foreign Exchange Student.

[A7BGrl]

It was al-Qaida who attacked the World Trade Center, not George Bush or John Kerry.

It wasnt Saddam Hussein either. GWB should have put all of that time and money that he has put into waging war on Iraq into finding the real culprits that are responsible for 9/11. Period.
Yes, Hussein is evil and deserves to be out of power, so does North Korea, so do lots of places that rule with tyranny; but the point is, is that GWB used 9/11 as an excuse to start this whole war with Iraq, when it isnt even connected to 9/11. It was careless and bad leadership to start a war when we, as a country, NEED to focus entirely on finding Bin Laden for the specific terror that he has perpertrated on us and to make sure he never does it again.

I think c.j.hood hit the nail on the head when he said that Bush won because of the rural areas voting solely because of the anti-gay/anti-abortion issues. Thats so sad that people only pick up on one aspect of a candidate, and then just go with that one opinion they share with them. All of the low income, rural people who did vote because of the anti-gay/anti abortion issues will realize that they screwed themselves when they need to go to the doctor and cant afford it because of who they put into office.

[paulk]

It wasnt Saddam Hussein either. GWB should have put all of that time and money that he has put into waging war on Iraq into finding the real culprits that are responsible for 9/11.

Those damn muslims are all the same anyway. Saddam, Osama, what's the difference?

[endofmystump]

Same w/ hillbilly voters: in the way and identical.

[Spanishbomb808]

Those damn muslims are all the same anyway. Saddam, Osama, what's the difference?

Indeed.

I find it spooky to know that mininsformed, over-Patriotic, ignorant hicks have the numbers necessary to elect a misinformed, over-Patriotic, ignorant hick.

[drobertson420]

I am really damn curious what the main issue is that the Pro-Bush folks that post to this board is. What is that makes you a Republican? Taxes? Terror? Is it because your parents are? Please articulate. This election has given us a lot to think about and I really want to try and understand this.

Here is my 2 cents. The moral issues thing just does not make sense - how can someone say they are voting for "moral issues" and then vote to re elect a president that started a war that has killed 100,000 people?

I'm a Registered DEM and voted Bush.
Now I can't remember why......(joke)

It was the lesser of 2 evils I guess. There's more to it than that, but it's not because I oppose Gay Marriage or I'm a religious zealot....(i'm not).
Kerry was just a shitty canidate. Wrong choice. (n)

[N. Hornblower]

But being Canadian makes them North Americans...

I think you know what I meant..

Back for another beating?

Nobodys as good as you when it comes to BEATING...

:rolleyes:

[Whois]

I think you know what I meant..



Nobodys as good as you when it comes to BEATING...

:rolleyes:

But I don't know what you mean, because you rarely make any sense.