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DroppinScience
11-03-2004, 05:15 PM
As much as I'd love to host a hottie liberal American girl to bunk with me here in Canada (my bed's is nice and warm ladies :p), you guys need to UNPACK that suitcase and fight Dubya. Just because he won (which is a first!), that doesn't mean he can't have a free ride in this administration. Here's ten reasons why:

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http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1103-28.htm

Published on Wednesday, November 3, 2004 by CommonDreams.org
Ten Reasons Not to Move to Canada
by Sarah Anderson

Ready to say screw this country and buy a one-way ticket north? Here are some reasons to stay in the belly of the beast.

1. The Rest of the World. After the February 2003 antiwar protests, the New York Times described the global peace movement as the world's second superpower. Their actions didn't prevent the war, but protestors in nine countries have succeeded in pressuring their governments to pull their troops from Iraq and/or withdraw from the so-called coalition of the willing. Antiwar Americans owe it to themajority of the people on this planet who agree with them to stay and do what they can to end the suffering in Iraq and prevent future pre-emptive wars.

2. People Power Can Trump Presidential Power. The strength of social movements can be more important than whoever is in the White House. Example: In 1970, President Nixon supported the Occupational Safety and Health Act, widely considered the most important pro-worker legislation of the last 50 years. It didnt happen because Nixon loved labor unions, but because union power was strong. Stay and help build the peace, economic justice, environmental and other social movements that can make change.

3. The great strides made in voter registration and youth mobilization must be built on rather than abandoned.

4. Like Nicaraguans in the 1980s, Iraqis Need U.S. Allies. After Ronald Reagan was re-elected in 1984, progressives resisted the urge to flee northwards and instead stayed to fight the U.S. governments secret war of arming the contras in Nicaragua and supporting human rights atrocities throughout Central America. Iraq is a different scenario, but we can still learn from the U.S.-Central America solidarity work that exposed illegal U.S. activities and their brutal consequences and ultimately prevailed by forcing a change in policy.

5. We Can't Let up on the Free Trade Front Activists have held the Bush administration at bay on some issues. On trade, opposition in the United States and in developing countries has largely blocked the Bush administrations corporate-driven trade agenda for four years. The President is expected to soon appoint a new top trade negotiator to break the impasse. Whoever he picks would love to see a progressive exodus to Canada.

6. Barak Obama. His victory to become the only African-American in the U.S. Senate was one of the few bright spots of the election. An early opponent of the Iraq war, Obama trounced his primary and general election opponents, even in white rural districts, showing he could teach other progressives a few things about broadening their base. As David Moberg of In These Times puts it, Obama demonstrates how a progressive politician can redefine mainstream political symbols to expand support for liberal policies and politicians rather than engage in creeping capitulation to the right.

7. Say so long to the DLC. Barry Goldwater suffered a resounding defeat when he ran for president against Lyndon Johnson in 1964, but his campaign spawned a conservative movement that eventually gained control of the Republican Party and elected Ronald Reagan in 1980. Progressives should see the excitement surrounding Dean, Kucinich, Moseley Braun, and Sharpton during the primary season as the foundation for a similar takeover of the Democratic Party.

8. 2008. President Bush is entering his second term facing an escalating casualty rate in Iraq, a record trade deficit, a staggering budget deficit, sky-high oil prices, and a deeply divided nation. As the Republicans face likely failure, progressives need to start preparing for regime change in 2008 or sooner. Remember that Nixon was re-elected with a bigger margin than Bush, but faced impeachment within a year.

9. Americans are Not All Yahoos. Although I wouldn't attempt to convince a Frenchman of it right now, many surveys indicate that Americans are more internationalist than the election results suggest. In a September poll by the University of Maryland, majorities of Bush supporters expressed support for multilateral approaches to security, including the United States being part of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (68%), the International Criminal Court (75%), the treaty banning land mines (66%), and the Kyoto Treaty on climate change (54%). The problem is that most of these Bush supporters werent aware that Bush opposed these positions. Stay and help turn progressive instincts into political power.

10. Winter. Average January temperature in Ottawa: 12.2°F.

Sarah Anderson (saraha@igc.org) is a fellow of the Institute for Policy Studies.

ASsman
11-03-2004, 05:20 PM
Frankly, I believe Chomsky. I believe he is right, and the problem is deeper than Bush (Im not basing this belief on merely what he has said obv.). So I say fuck it. Let this piss ass contry fuck itself over, and take all the dumbasses with it. Maybe a few more terrorist attacks and people might start getting it. Maybe a few more pages of constitution burning will get people thinking. Maybe. I don't believe so. I say we start from scratch.

Ace42
11-03-2004, 05:22 PM
Duck taping the jallopy. Get out while the getting is good. Heed my words. Fighting the good fight is one thing, it's quite another when fighting the good fight means civil-war with ignorant hick neighbours. Let the babies have their bottles, and leave them to their degeneration.

CSAR
11-03-2004, 05:33 PM
[QUOTE=DroppinScience]As much as I'd love to host a hottie liberal American girl to bunk with me here in Canada (my bed's is nice and warm ladies :p), you guys need to UNPACK that suitcase and fight Dubya. Just because he won (which is a first!), that doesn't mean he can't have a free ride in this administration. Here's ten reasons why:

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I forgot to mention Albertan's are just as redneck as Bush. Don't listen to this guy.

DroppinScience
11-03-2004, 06:30 PM
I forgot to mention Albertan's are just as redneck as Bush. Don't listen to this guy.

Hey, that's unfair! (n)

In Edmonton, the redneckery is dialed down a tad. Not to mention my riding is pretty liberal as well. We're the Austin, Texas of the north (as in a liberal town in a sea of hicks).

BESIDES, you're making me miss out on the hot exiled Americana booty. :p

CSAR
11-03-2004, 06:35 PM
Hey, that's unfair! (n)

In Edmonton, the redneckery is dialed down a tad. Not to mention my riding is pretty liberal as well. We're the Austin, Texas of the north (as in a liberal town in a sea of hicks).

BESIDES, you're making me miss out on the hot exiled Americana booty. :p


I was joking with you my Canadian buddy...remember we're on the same side?? :rolleyes: You're right about Edmonton...I have cousins there. :) We have a pretty shitty Premier here in BC. So there, we're even. Don't you love being Canadian??

Lindsey_1535
11-03-2004, 09:01 PM
10. Winter. Average January temperature in Ottawa: 12.2°F.

try winnipeg its usually around 25 below from middle of november to about march give or take a few weeks

12.2 is nothing

DroppinScience
11-03-2004, 10:50 PM
try winnipeg its usually around 25 below from middle of november to about march give or take a few weeks

12.2 is nothing

Winnipeg is 25 below Celsius or Fahrenheit? :confused:

DroppinScience
11-03-2004, 10:53 PM
I was joking with you my Canadian buddy...remember we're on the same side?? :rolleyes: You're right about Edmonton...I have cousins there. :) We have a pretty shitty Premier here in BC. So there, we're even. Don't you love being Canadian??

Phew... sometimes I get a little high-strung about how people in the rest of Canada think Albertans are a bunch of retards. I'm doing my part to keep the opposition alive in AB so any anti-Alberta remarks, be sure to note me as an exception, mmkay? :D

TommyD
11-03-2004, 11:05 PM
Canada is the best place on earth to live.

FUCK YOURSELF IF YOU DON'T THINK SO!

What I really mean by that is:



FUCK YOURSELF IF YOU DON'T THINK SO!

P.S. I'm kidding....

P.P.S. No I'm not ...go fuck yourself

D_Raay
11-03-2004, 11:17 PM
Duck taping the jallopy. Get out while the getting is good. Heed my words. Fighting the good fight is one thing, it's quite another when fighting the good fight means civil-war with ignorant hick neighbours. Let the babies have their bottles, and leave them to their degeneration.
You are absolutely correct Ace. You too ASsman. Sorry, droppin' I'm moving in next door. I have a bad habit of collecting the newspaper in my skivvies is that a problem? :rolleyes:

DroppinScience
11-03-2004, 11:20 PM
You are absolutely correct Ace. You too ASsman. Sorry, droppin' I'm moving in next door. I have a bad habit of collecting the newspaper in my skivvies is that a problem? :rolleyes:

Do you have any young hot relatives who want to exile themselves to my bedroom? ;)

D_Raay
11-03-2004, 11:22 PM
Do you have any young hot relatives who want to exile themselves to my bedroom? ;)
No sorry only a 400 pound mother -in-law with a gimpy knee that may be coming along. :rolleyes:

Ace42
11-03-2004, 11:23 PM
Do you have any young hot relatives who want to exile themselves to my bedroom? ;)

Or mine if they fancy Europe.

HEIRESS
11-03-2004, 11:25 PM
I live in the Canadian version of a desert

40 above in the summer
40 below in the winter
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

20 minutes from my house (http://ca.geocities.com/cormanderca/hoodoosmall29.jpg)

this really adds nothing to the topic but meh

DroppinScience
11-03-2004, 11:25 PM
No sorry only a 400 pound mother -in-law with a gimpy knee that may be coming along. :rolleyes:

Aw, dude, gross. Send her to England and she can be with Ace. :p

Ace42
11-03-2004, 11:26 PM
Aw, dude, gross. Send her to England and she can be with Ace. :p

She might be able to help the cause more just by living in the US...

Ace42
11-03-2004, 11:27 PM
20 minutes from my house (http://ca.geocities.com/cormanderca/hoodoosmall29.jpg)



Isn't that where they filmed the moon landing?

D_Raay
11-03-2004, 11:27 PM
Aw, dude, gross. Send her to England and she can be with Ace. :p
Haha yeah tell me about it. I've accidentally seen her nude which accounts for the sudden greying of my hair.

HEIRESS
11-03-2004, 11:31 PM
Isn't that where they filmed the moon landing?

no idea

we call them Hoodoos (http://www.kamloops.ca/focus/images/gallery/15/whitecliffs2.jpg)

Schmeltz
11-04-2004, 01:46 AM
Yo Americans. Stay where you are. We don't want you here. We don't need your slightly-nearer-to-the-center-than-Republicans version of leftism coming up here and fucking with our marijuana legalization and our gay marriage and our much more progressive society. We already have to live next door to you, and that's bad enough. Don't like things where you are? Then change them, because I like how things are here.

Documad
11-04-2004, 02:02 AM
Average January temperature in Ottawa: 12.2°F.
Sounds like heaven to me!

D_Raay
11-04-2004, 03:44 AM
Yo Americans. Stay where you are. We don't want you here. We don't need your slightly-nearer-to-the-center-than-Republicans version of leftism coming up here and fucking with our marijuana legalization and our gay marriage and our much more progressive society. We already have to live next door to you, and that's bad enough. Don't like things where you are? Then change them, because I like how things are here.
I know you aren't talking to me... I am as left as left gets....

ASsman
11-04-2004, 08:16 AM
Indeed.

trésbienfem
11-04-2004, 10:23 AM
You guys need to UNPACK that suitcase and fight Dubya.

agreed. Even though the Democrats lost we have to LOOK at HOW close we were. This wasn't a landslide victory for Bush by any means. Keep fighting for what you believe in, people.

ASsman
11-04-2004, 10:30 AM
Actually. If you look at it closer, more voters than ever = more Bush support than ever. Last Elections were "closers". Bush has GAINED supporters, that certainly changes ones view of those numbers.

trésbienfem
11-04-2004, 10:42 AM
Actually. If you look at it closer, more voters than ever = more Bush support than ever. Last Elections were "closers". Bush has GAINED supporters, that certainly changes ones view of those numbers.

Yes, I know this, and I see it as unfortunate. However, it still WAS close despite the fact it was closer last time. That is NOT an excuse to just GIVE UP THOUGH. To throw your hands up and give up means you really never gave a shit in the first place.

Ace42
11-04-2004, 10:54 AM
Heh, bs. It is an excuse. Last time Bush was an evidently inferior candidate, but hadn't technically done anything wrong (in a presidential capacity).

Now there can be no doubt whatsoever that the guy is an evil asshat. And over 70% of the US voting population did NOT vote to get him out.

70% isn't "ooooh, we were close."

70% is "fuck you, and your mum I rode in on."

If the US can't unite against Bush, how can you expect them to against someone who is a *competent* criminal mastermind?

There is no arguing with these people, they are *not* capable of getting it.

Ostriches can't fly, the dumb-ass US majority can't process simple facts objectively.

I might care passionately about the poor grounded ostrich, but I sure as hell am not going to waste my time and effort trying to teach them to fly.

trésbienfem
11-04-2004, 12:07 PM
There is no arguing with these people, they are *not* capable of getting it.

Ostriches can't fly, the dumb-ass US majority can't process simple facts objectively.

I might care passionately about the poor grounded ostrich, but I sure as hell am not going to waste my time and effort trying to teach them to fly.

so you are just going to throw your hands up and give up? I'm not saying we must change every SINGLE persons view point but giving up isn't going to accomplish anything at all. I rather die trying then die being a quitter.

paulb
11-04-2004, 12:14 PM
[QUOTE=DroppinScience]As much as I'd love to host a hottie liberal American girl to bunk with me here in Canada (my bed's is nice and warm ladies :p), you guys need to UNPACK that suitcase and fight Dubya. Just because he won (which is a first!), that doesn't mean he can't have a free ride in this administration. Here's ten reasons why:

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I forgot to mention Albertan's are just as redneck as Bush. Don't listen to this guy.


i agree, dont listen to him, i could give u 10 reasons not to live in Alberta... but Canada is prob the best country in the world... We are like USA, but without the bombs and enemies...

ASsman
11-04-2004, 12:14 PM
but giving up isn't going to accomplish anything at all.
And trying will accomplish nothing aswell. So, I would rather use my energy in a productive way.

Incase you haven't noticed, this is the kind of shit you want us to put up with.


Assman you're too much
bdavid

The Man of Ass and Klingons!
gmsisko1

trésbienfem
11-04-2004, 12:41 PM
And trying will accomplish nothing aswell. So, I would rather use my energy in a productive way.

Incase you haven't noticed, this is the kind of shit you want us to put up with.

who said anything about me wanting you to put up with shit? I'm confused as to where there came from.

and use your energy in a productive way? like turning the other cheek and keeping they each man for himself attitude? okay.

ASsman
11-04-2004, 12:47 PM
Meh, don't feel like clearing up this mess of you misunderstanding me and so on so forth. So....

What would you do
If you were asked to give up your dreams for freedom
What would you do
If asked to make the ultimate sacrifice

Would you think about all them people
Who gave up everything they had.
Would you think about all them War Vets
And would you start to feel bad

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
No, there's a hefty fuckin' fee.
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

What would you do
If someone told you to fight for freedom.
Would you answer the call
Or run away like a little pussy
'Cause the only reason that you're here.
Is 'cause folks died for you in the past
So maybe now it's your turn
To die kicking some ass

Freedom isn't free
It costs folks like you and me
And if we don't all chip in
We'll never pay that bill
Freedom isn't free
Now there's a have to hook'in fee
And if you don't throw in your buck 'o five
Who will?

You don't throw in your buck 'o five. Who will?
Oooh buck 'o five
Freedom costs a buck 'o five

trésbienfem
11-04-2004, 01:00 PM
^hahahaha. nice song reference.

bdavid
11-04-2004, 01:05 PM
Yo Americans. Stay where you are. We don't want you here. We don't need your slightly-nearer-to-the-center-than-Republicans version of leftism coming up here and fucking with our marijuana legalization and our gay marriage and our much more progressive society. We already have to live next door to you, and that's bad enough. Don't like things where you are? Then change them, because I like how things are here.



Where's your hockey Canada? What the hell good are you without hockey?

Not that its even your national sport.

Whois
11-04-2004, 01:05 PM
Yo Americans. Stay where you are. We don't want you here. We don't need your slightly-nearer-to-the-center-than-Republicans version of leftism coming up here and fucking with our marijuana legalization and our gay marriage and our much more progressive society. We already have to live next door to you, and that's bad enough. Don't like things where you are? Then change them, because I like how things are here.

But then where would I get my bubble hash from?