So....

[SobaViolence]

I guess compassion and cooperation are gonna be shelved again for another 4 years, at least.

i know compassion is a stretch, but debate and cooperation it seems are dying artforms. and it fucking hurts me. reason is dead. logic is flogged in the public square. humility is a slave to arrogance. ignorance is king.

and it saddens me beyond words...i just feel sick. like i've contracted some disease where this black and white, concrete and steel, peace with war world seems wrong, but no one believes me.

i really believe i am insane. am i insane? am i the only one that sees the unspeakable gutwrench that killing someone holds? death is never funny, but it seems no one cares as long as it's not one of their own.

people are dying from starvation. STARVATION! the gaul and audacity you americans hold for asking for more when most citizens of our world lack basic necessities. it makes no sense that you couldn't sacrifice so little to help someone else. YOU HAVE SO MUCH!

fuck. i'm tired of you all. good riddance.

[Ace42]

I think he speaks for us all. Apart from the bit where the rest of us let you off the hook so easy.

[SobaViolence]

i'm glad you hot shot imperialists are taking the time to submit a witty and intelligent retort.


i'll be here. waiting.

[endofmystump]

Is that all against the US? Don't we give more money collectively as a country and private citizens to other countries than anyone else in the world. Didn't we rescue the world from WWI and end fascism in WWII? Didn't our revolution inspire the French and the rest of the world to overcome imperialism and monarchies? We took the poor, unwanted and oppressed and built one of the best countries in the world.

Tribes and nation states have been slaughtering each other since the history of man began. No death is not funny or fun. Look at the suppression in China, the slaughter in Africa, the oppression of women in the Middle East.

Where are you from that is so pristine and innocent?

[abdulmohammad]

and it saddens me beyond words...i just feel sick. like i've contracted some disease where this black and white, concrete and steel, peace with war world seems wrong, but no one believes me.

I love this motherfucker! His shit is like poetry, so deep, so, how you say? ah yes, moving. Bitch sounds like he's biting this shit from an Air Supply song.

i really believe i am insane. am i insane?
Independent evaluations concur.

YOU HAVE SO MUCH!
Have you been goin through my shit?? Thank you but don't hate!

fuck. i'm tired of you all. good riddance.
Does this mean that Soda Violence has taken his life? Oh wait, Soda Pop, don't forget your tampon, this whole PMS thing will only last a week or so, then you'll be back on your regular cycle. But seriously, with your heavy flow and all you should consider douching with a light vinegar/water blend. Even then, I'm afraid I'll still smell pussy when you're around.

[Baraka]

blah blah blah board troll blah blah blah

[DipDipDive]

I guess compassion and cooperation are gonna be shelved again for another 4 years, at least.

i know compassion is a stretch, but debate and cooperation it seems are dying artforms. and it fucking hurts me. reason is dead. logic is flogged in the public square. humility is a slave to arrogance. ignorance is king.

and it saddens me beyond words...i just feel sick. like i've contracted some disease where this black and white, concrete and steel, peace with war world seems wrong, but no one believes me.

i really believe i am insane. am i insane? am i the only one that sees the unspeakable gutwrench that killing someone holds? death is never funny, but it seems no one cares as long as it's not one of their own.

people are dying from starvation. STARVATION! the gaul and audacity you americans hold for asking for more when most citizens of our world lack basic necessities. it makes no sense that you couldn't sacrifice so little to help someone else. YOU HAVE SO MUCH!

fuck. i'm tired of you all. good riddance.

I agree with absolutely everything you said. And I'm an American, so imagine how I feel.

P.S.

All you arrogant assholes that responded to this thread should stay on your moral high horse and off the message board. Thanks.

[Baraka]

Yeah, all of these extreme right-wing Bush trolls are coming out of the wood work.

[Ace42]

Didn't we rescue the world from WWI and end fascism in WWII?

Rescue the world from world war 1? If you mean the side you joined (late, as always) was victorious, then yes. If you mean you actually did something that EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN EUROPE couldn't, then no. And ending facism in WW2? Ask your man Bush about that, considering that his grand-pappy was giving logistical support to the Nazis before the Japs bombed the US. Now, remind me, D-day landings... The boats set off from across the Atlantic, right? All those guys in landing craft set off a week earlier from New York. Because America was the last bastion of freedom in WW2.

Pshaw.

Didn't our revolution inspire the French and the rest of the world to overcome imperialism and monarchies?

The US is imperialistic, so no, no it did not. "Overcome Monachies" - Yeah, the US's war of independance ended the tyranny of monarchies all over the world. Except for England, which had the monarchy the US apparently "overcame."

We took the poor, unwanted and oppressed and built one of the best countries in the world.

By oppressing the poor Native Americans.

Where are you from that is so pristine and innocent?

Heh, Americans. "We're just doing now what you people did centuries ago! Now its OUR turn for tyranny and oppresion!"

I'm from the country that outlawed slavery a generation before the US decided that "all men are created equal" applied to men of a darker skin colour too.

[bdavid]

I agree with absolutely everything you said. And I'm an American, so imagine how I feel.

P.S.

All you arrogant assholes that responded to this thread should stay on your moral high horse and off the message board. Thanks.


The irony here being that the thread laments the loss of debate and here you are telling people to stay off the message board

[endofmystump]

Ace, you've convinced me man. The US is the worst country ever. I won't even go in a tit-for-tat on your specific war responses. Your average history professor will agree with my statements. I didn't even mention the Marshall Plan.
Now let's focus on where you're from. England right? Talk about a history of imperialism. I could sit here all day and point out terrible things about England. However, I think England is much like America: way more good than bad has come out of it.
So Ace, what is the best country and why?

[Ace42]

Your average history professor will agree with my statements.

Maybe in America. Maybe that's why you are so misinformed.

Now let's focus on where you're from.

Yeah, because what my country has done over the last 2000 years makes us directly responsible for what America is doing right here and now. It totally mitigates it. Let's see, 600AD, Vikings (who later populated the nation) raped and pillaged people, making the prisoners into "blood-eagles" by tearing out their rib-cages and throwing their lungs over each shoulder, WHILST STILL ALIVE.

And that makes the US irradiating Japanese people, or cluster-bombing Iraqi residential districts, or beating prisoners in Abu Ghraib to death and setting attack dogs on them, or detaining prisoners indefinitly without recourse to law in Cyba, seem mild by comparssion, right?

"Hell, the whole world had centuries of tyranny before *we all* agreed on some international laws... Well we feel left out. Just pretend the US wrote in a "We'll abide by these statutes once we've caught up on medieval tyrannany and imperialism" clause"

What are you going to go back to the war of independance for a UK act against the US which might legitimise the US stooping to our level?

Or let me guess "European nations did this to each other and everyone else generations ago, so it is SOOOO hypocritical for them to criticise us, the land of the free, a country whose very foundations lie in conforming with international law, from doing the same on this very day"

[bdavid]

Well by you own logic we had the right to 'irradiate' Japanese people. They did attack Pearl Harbor right?

According to you, the US and its soldiers get what they deserve for attacking Iraq. So whats the problem with 'irradiating' Japan?

[D_Raay]

America has cornered the market on the manufacturing , marketing , and cultivation of bullshit and false hope.

[Whois]

America has cornered the market on the manufacturing , marketing , and cultivation of bullshit and false hope.

:D (y)

On Thanksgiving I'm posting W. Burroughs "A Thanksgiving Prayer"...

[endofmystump]

Ace, as always you are great at finding holes and bad things. I am of Norman descent and my family motto is "Guarde Bien" (aka watch your back), which comes from the fact that Vikings frequently landed on the shores of Normandy and did just what you noted. Undoubtably, some of their rapes and ultimate domination of the region probably gave me some of their genes as they did yours.

However, much in life is not fair. Survival of the fittest is indisputable. I am not saying this to dismiss suffering, but to establish a baseline of animal, including human, behavior. You and I got to how we show compassion in a PM discussion before.

It is easy to pick apart other people's arguments. Unless we are arguing science or math, there is almost always more than one answer. I know you enjoy doing it. You are good at it and very intelligent, and extremely left-wing. I just want you to tell us what is the best country today and why. I am going back to produce capital, but I will undoubtably respond Saturday night.

[Whois]

Ace, as always you are great at finding holes and bad things. I am of Norman descent and my family motto is "Guarde Bien" (aka watch your back), which comes from the fact that Vikings frequently landed on the shores of Normandy and did just what you noted. Undoubtably, some of their rapes and ultimate domination of the region probably gave me some of their genes as they did yours.


Edited because I've not had my coffee and can't seem to read.

Ever visited?

[Ace42]

They not only set up shop in the Norman invasion, but were there sooner too. The whole NE of England was under "Danegeld" or "Dane-money" (The taxation distinction also represents the legal dominion) hence many English place names have "Thorpe" (a low hill of bluff) in them. IE "Scunthorpe"

The cultural impact of the viking raids was immense and cannot be stressed enough, it is only the Norman invasion eclipsing this (and the lack of information, it being the Dark Ages) which means it is a much neglected piece of cultural history.

[Whois]

They not only set up shop in the Norman invasion, but were there sooner too. The whole NE of England was under "Danegeld" or "Dane-money" (The taxation distinction also represents the legal dominion) hence many English place names have "Thorpe" (a low hill of bluff) in them. IE "Scunthorpe"

The cultural impact of the viking raids was immense and cannot be stressed enough, it is only the Norman invasion eclipsing this (and the lack of information, it being the Dark Ages) which means it is a much neglected piece of cultural history.

This is why I love your posts...

[endofmystump]

Me too. He is full of great knowledge. He just has a tendency to use it to try to detroy other people's beliefs. Ace, I wish you weren't so goddamn left wing. As I noted before, you won't be in 10 years.
Also, give us the best country and why.
I am closing this damn website b/c it is addictive and I have to work.

[Ace42]

He just has a tendency to use it to try to detroy other people's beliefs.

I prefer to think of it as "demolishing misconceptions." In the first (Athenian) democracy, Socrates considered it a citizen's *duty* to challenge any individual's misconceptions, because the prevalent belief at the time was that truth can only be achieved through precision, and the elimination of the false.

As I noted before, you won't be in 10 years.

Given a suitable amount of time, all events will reach a 100% probability factor. Personally I do not think 10 years is enough.

It is often prudent to compromise policies, it is never prudent to compromise principles.

[SobaViolence]

it's ok to be oppressive and tyranical? or just on some other peoples?

[Whois]

Don't we give more money collectively as a country and private citizens to other countries than anyone else in the world.

For humanitarian purposes?

No...

[Whois]

it's ok to be oppressive and tyranical? or just on some other peoples?

If you do it in the name of freedom it's okay...

I'm sure the Czechs and Hungarians think it was swell of the Soviets to liberate them in '68 and '56.

But America? No, we're never oppressive and tyranical.

/sarcasm

[ASsman]

Capitalism = Freedom.

[endofmystump]

Yes Whois, we do. For humanitarian purposes.

[Whois]

Yes Whois, we do. For humanitarian purposes.

Sources?