Get It Together (See What's Happening)

[drobertson420]

Now that the gloating has died down, can we stop with the"I'm sick to my stomach" and "I am ashamed to be an American" crap?

If Kerry had won, I wouldn't have been happy, but I would have kept an open mind...

At the end of the next 4 years, Bush will go down as a Great President,
or a big, fat loser.

Let's end this Us and Them mentality, and let's adopt a "United States of America" Attitude :)

Look to Barack Obama ...He's got the right idea (lb)

[ASsman]

YEY! Unite! United we can kill even more dirty sand-niggers. You've got a point.

[drobertson420]

YEY! Unite! United we can kill even more dirty sand-niggers. You've got a point.


No,Really!!! Enough!!!!

[ASsman]

I agree. What is done is done. We have to do what we can to make the best out of this situation, because we are in it. Whether we are happy about it or not.

Well, that is stating the obvious.....
It's like saying, we are now in a big F'ing hole. So we are in a hole.


If you dont, do what you can to fight for what you believe in, dont just sit back and take it.

Let's end this Us and Them mentality, and let's adopt a "United States of America" Attitude
It doesn't seem like you two are agreeing...


its our country.
Actually, is the Republicans country now.

[drobertson420]

ASsman (Pointing finger to his temple)
"He's not President of THIS Country, Man....." ;)

[ASsman]

Just because you are standing up for what you believe in doesnt mean it has to be us against them.
Well, sure if you are like Kerry vs. Bush. Where are both pretty close to each other. Only have extremely different "opinions" in some cases. But when it comes down to arguing if the killing of Iraqi civials is worth the Oil we are going to get. I think you can't just "argue". Because we aren't merely debating opinions. Which are shit. Opinions are for little teenage girls and boys, who make fun of each other. Im sorry but when we argue, I hope there is something backing up the claims being made.


I have friends I argue with all the time. We have different opinions and different veiws. Different tastes.
So, it's ok because we all think differently? So what Bush is doing isn't wrong, it's just his "taste". In some cases sure we can only support our claims to some extent. Like what form of goverment is best, when there aren't enough proof to support any such argument. But when it comes down to a WAR, that is happening. Or are you going to tell me that everyone is right all the time, simply because it is their "opinion". Then no one would ever be wrong. The Declaration of Independence was just the colonists' "opinion".....



But just because we argue and disagree from time to time doesnt mean we arent a part of the same situation. Nor does it unmake the bond we have.
I don't give up with my friends either. I constantly bombard them with links to documents and articles. Someday they might see the light.

And dont be a shit to me assman...I have done nothing to you. You can state your opinon without being a complete dick you know. It HAS been done before.
Well, I wasn't aware I was being shit to you. Sorry. But stating opinions is one thing. Arguing without backing up said opinions is shit.

[a]nd republicans or no, Im not done with this country yet. I intend to make a difference, whether they want me to or not.
Meh, I might continue trying. Or just give up all together if I see that it is pointless. Problems in this country run deeper than Bush. As was just proven to me when I heard 50% of new Hispanic voters voted for Bush. Got my blood boiling. So I don't know, but I will try.

[Ace42]

I intend to make a difference, whether they want me to or not.

The road to hell is paved with.... Something something something.

#No chance, that's what you got. Up against a machine too strong. Greedy politicians buying souls from us all. Puppets, take your place in that line. Now tie a string around your finger, bwoay, 'cause it's, it's just a matter of time.

'Cause you got NO CHANCE. No chance in hell.
You've got NO CHANCE. No chance in hell. (x2)

[Ace42]

Im not saying dont debate, and dont try, just focus your energies elsewhere.

Like a country not full of stubborn ignorant hicks who'll gladly state black is white just to make a point?

[ASsman]

Hell, I got Obama now. Awesome. Too bad he is still a young one in the Senate. Maybe after some time he will gain some persuasive power.

[Ace42]

And into the valley of death rode the 600.

Seriously, it is not brave or noble to keep playing with a stacked deck.

[Jasonik]

And into the valley of death rode the 600.

Seriously, it is not brave or noble to keep playing with a stacked deck.
Unless you get a job working for the casino.

[Ace42]

Unless you get a job working for the casino.

That's not brave or noble, just "beneficial"

[Jasonik]

That's not brave or noble, just "beneficial"
Right, just like walking away from the table.

[drobertson420]

"Know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em"

[Whois]

Now that the gloating has died down, can we stop with the"I'm sick to my stomach" and "I am ashamed to be an American" crap?

If Kerry had won, I wouldn't have been happy, but I would have kept an open mind...

At the end of the next 4 years, Bush will go down as a Great President,
or a big, fat loser.

Let's end this Us and Them mentality, and let's adopt a "United States of America" Attitude :)

Look to Barack Obama ...He's got the right idea (lb)

Since I hate the Dems and the Repubs can I continue?

[drobertson420]

Since I hate the Dems and the Repubs can I continue?


Sure...Why Not? ;)

[drobertson420]

Like a country not full of stubborn ignorant hicks who'll gladly state black is white just to make a point?
Great Britain?


(cheap) ;)

[Ace42]

I'd not say Great Britain is a country per sé. I know the Scots and the Northern Irish and the Welsh would certainly get arsey if I went around telling them that.

I've had this discussion before, and while there are arguments both for and against, I think there are over-riding ones.

Firstly, the country is technically "The United Kingdom" if you wish to argue in strictly political terms. "Great Britain" is generally considered to just be the Island, although some people use it as a synonym with the "UK" in which case it would include Northern Ireland as well.

Secondly, while some people specify that Wales, Scotland, etc are not seperate countries, but are kingdoms, this is generally due to ease of reference. Scotland has its own parliament (Wales has its own assembly, which is not quite the same thing) and thus a fair degree of autonomy.

There are still many island provinces under UK dominion ATM (Falklands anyone?) - and while the UK "owns them" you would not say they are "Great Britain" or "The United Kingdom"

Besides, Wales hasn't had their own king since their royalty was wiped out by the English, so making the destinction that wales is a "kingdom" not a "Country" in its own right is not literally true.

So, while the UK is one "nation" - it is considered to be made up of a group of "countries" by a significant proportion of its population.

[Ali]

I'd not say Great Britain is a country per sé. I know the Scots and the Northern Irish and the Welsh would certainly get arsey if I went around telling them that.

I've had this discussion before, and while there are arguments both for and against, I think there are over-riding ones.

Firstly, the country is technically "The United Kingdom" if you wish to argue in strictly political terms. "Great Britain" is generally considered to just be the Island, although some people use it as a synonym with the "UK" in which case it would include Northern Ireland as well.

Secondly, while some people specify that Wales, Scotland, etc are not seperate countries, but are kingdoms, this is generally due to ease of reference. Scotland has its own parliament (Wales has its own assembly, which is not quite the same thing) and thus a fair degree of autonomy.

There are still many island provinces under UK dominion ATM (Falklands anyone?) - and while the UK "owns them" you would not say they are "Great Britain" or "The United Kingdom"

Besides, Wales hasn't had their own king since their royalty was wiped out by the English, so making the destinction that wales is a "kingdom" not a "Country" in its own right is not literally true.

So, while the UK is one "nation" - it is considered to be made up of a group of "countries" by a significant proportion of its population. Bla bla bla. What are you? Wikipedia? Quit defining things and make a point. Drobertson said England had just as many ignorant hicks as the US and I'm inclined to agree. A qick browse through the five terrestrial channels or Sky or a gander at the tabloids will more than confirm that England's full of MORONS. As for politics, you gonna vote for Blair next year? No? Then who? We've got even less choice than the fukn North Americans next year and Phoney Tony is Bush's big pal.

Falklands?

Hahahahahaahahahaha.

Last of the British Empire, what?

[Ace42]

Bla bla bla. What are you? Wikipedia? Quit defining things and make a point.

Yeah, fuck it, let's just say whatever comes into our heads, who gives a shit what we are actully SAYING means. As long as we say it loud and often enough and WE know what we mean, we can say any fucking thing we want!

Drobertson said England had just as many ignorant hicks as the US

He said no such thing. Read it again.

A qick browse through the five terrestrial channels or Sky or a gander at the tabloids will more than confirm that England's full of MORONS.

Most of England can't get channel 5, Sky is a Murdoch network (A la Fox) and carries amyn US based channels. And every counry has tabloids. The mere fact that you distinguish between UK broadsheets and tabloids, where in the US the two are synonymous makes my point for me.

As for politics, you gonna vote for Blair next year? No? Then who? We've got even less choice than the fukn North Americans next year and Phoney Tony is Bush's big pal.

His name is Charles Kennedy, I'm surprised you didn't catch him on the news, considering you seem to think you know so much about politics. Perhaps if you weren't a kiddy playing at "opinion-poker" you might not rant like a frothy-mouthed bitch.

Last of the British Empire, what?

Way to miss the point. There are numerous non-mainland UK owned territories. These are quite clearly countries, thus making the point of the distinction.

Unfuck yourself son, before you damage your already shakey credibility even more.

[paulk]

The mere fact that you distinguish between UK broadsheets and tabloids, where in the US the two are synonymous makes my point for me.

I'm just wondering, for the sake of context, have you spent much time in the U.S.?

[Ace42]

I'm just wondering, for the sake of context, have you spent much time in the U.S.?

No, but unless the US is playing a practical joke on the world, and our copies of US broadsheets are different, and all people with non-US IPs see different news casts, and Sky carries a totally different Fox news service, I fail to see why that would have an impact on my opinion of US news.

[paulk]

No, but unless the US is playing a practical joke on the world, and our copies of US broadsheets are different, and all people with non-US IPs see different news casts, and Sky carries a totally different Fox news service, I fail to see why that would have an impact on my opinion of US news.

Are the reruns of Mr Bean that PBS used to show here fairly representative of your culture?

I was just wondering how you're qualified to make a lot of the broad claims about the United States that you make. I understand that it's possible to get an idea of what it's like in another country by reading that country's newspapers and watching its tv channels, but I doubt that anyone can acheive any sort of intimate understanding of its culture in this way.


The mere fact that you distinguish between UK broadsheets and tabloids, where in the US the two are synonymous makes my point for me.
syn·on·y·mous ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-nn-ms)
adj.
Having the same or a similar meaning: synonymous words.


Tabloid couldn't be synonymous with "broadsheet" in the U.S., because we don't refer to anything here as broadsheets.

[Ace42]

Are the reruns of Mr Bean that PBS used to show here fairly representative of your culture?

No, Mr Bean was run in the rather anachronistic and perverse "early saturday evening" slot. AKA the "Washing the car, or in the pub" slot. Also, it made more money in over-seas sales than it did in the UK.

I was just wondering how you're qualified to make a lot of the broad claims about the United States that you make. I understand that it's possible to get an idea of what it's like in another country by reading that country's newspapers and watching its tv channels, but I doubt that anyone can acheive any sort of intimate understanding of its culture in this way.

It is because, like Howard Stern, I am the king of all media. But seriously, just because you live on the same island as these hicks, you think you know more than me? Transatlantic though I am, I live closer to east-coast yanks than east-coast yanks live to west-coast yanks. Go figure. How closely do you think some latino-american understands Minnesotan shennanigans?



syn·on·y·mous ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-nn-ms)
adj.
Having the same or a similar meaning: synonymous words.


Tabloid couldn't be synonymous with "broadsheet" in the U.S., because we don't refer to anything here as broadsheets.

You might not use the word, but it does not mean the words do not have "similar meanings"

[paulk]

But seriously, just because you live on the same island as these hicks, you think you know more than me?

No, but (unfortunately) I have to deal with the fuckers in person. 'Sall gravy though, I feel ya homes. " :p " or some gay shit.

[ASsman]

I punch people from Ohio.

[DroppinScience]

The mere fact that you distinguish between UK broadsheets and tabloids, where in the US the two are synonymous makes my point for me.

Now that's a load of crap.

We will all fully acknowledge the problems that plague US media but there's no way you can say the New York Times and the New York Post (as one example) are synonymous.

As hard as it is for you to believe, there STILL are reputable and excellent news sources that just happen to be American.

I can gladly point out all the stupid US and UK media shit (did you see the coverage of the British military girls having a lesbian romp, the UK tabs wet their pants when that happened) that proliferate the lands, but saying shitty US news sources and excellent US news sources is a new low for your patronizing demeanor. (n)

[Ace42]

I can gladly point out all the stupid US and UK media shit (did you see the coverage of the British military girls having a lesbian romp, the UK tabs wet their pants when that happened)

No, no I did not. Which makes me think that it is the US tabloids that wet their pants. Not that I put it past shitty papers like "The Sport" or "The News of the world" or "The Sun" to cram it in.

And just because a new-source is "tabloidy" doesn't mean it prints lies. However, to put this into perspective. One word news-organ - "Fox"

[DroppinScience]

Here, let me enlighten you. :p

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/story_pages/news/news2.shtml

Myself, I had a really good laugh reading the article. Every second sentence described the video as "sickening," "depraved," "embarrassing," etc. They were going on about how horrid that this happened, yet they give a full-on pictorial of everything. You guys in the UK know fair and balanced! :p (y)

[Ace42]

As I said, NotW and The Sport are bollocks papers. I'd imagine everyone knows that they are less reliable than a smoking skoda.

[DroppinScience]

Mr. Deadly Serious:

Did you at least read the article and get a good laugh out of it. Myself, it was just as hilarious as The Onion. :p

[Whois]

...they are less reliable than a smoking skoda.

Is that before or after you set it on fire...

[Ace42]

Mr. Deadly Serious:

Did you at least read the article and get a good laugh out of it. Myself, it was just as hilarious as The Onion. :p

Having read the sort of puerile tosh those sort of papers turn out, I found it not particularly amusing. If this sort of thing amuses you, try reading The Sport's problem pages. It is the only agony-aunt column I can think of off the top of my head, where a 3 column sexual anecdote can be passed off as a "problem" and then dealt with with a 4 word answer.

Oh, and they are made up.

As for "sick and debauched" mirth-raising material, I have currently been playing a japanese hentai-game which has made me spit out my coke on many an occasion. Every bit as contrived, and without the annoying chequers on the particularly mediocre pictures.

And I'll take your word that there are non-populist non-reactionary unbiased US news-sources. If you want to offer up your hitlist, I will take it under consideration.

[DroppinScience]

Having read the sort of puerile tosh those sort of papers turn out, I found it not particularly amusing. If this sort of thing amuses you, try reading The Sport's problem pages. It is the only agony-aunt column I can think of off the top of my head, where a 3 column sexual anecdote can be passed off as a "problem" and then dealt with with a 4 word answer.

Oh, and they are made up.

As for "sick and debauched" mirth-raising material, I have currently been playing a japanese hentai-game which has made me spit out my coke on many an occasion. Every bit as contrived, and without the annoying chequers on the particularly mediocre pictures.

And I'll take your word that there are non-populist non-reactionary unbiased US news-sources. If you want to offer up your hitlist, I will take it under consideration.

Oh... I guess I'm not used to the UK tabloids. Since that was my first article I read from a UK tab, I couldn't help but laugh at it.

Here are some news sources from the US whom I'd say are either quite excellent (or pretty good overall):

PBS
The New York Times
The Los Angeles Times
The Nation
Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman
Boston Globe
CBS' 60 Minutes
NPR (National Public Radio)
CommonDreams.org (this is more a compendium of progressive news sources, but I always find excellent stuff on there)
The Village Voice

That's what I can come up with off the top of my head. If there's others, feel free to list 'em.

[Ace42]

Here are some news sources from the US whom I'd say are either quite excellent (or pretty good overall):

PBS
The New York Times
The Los Angeles Times
The Nation
Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman
Boston Globe
CBS' 60 Minutes
NPR (National Public Radio)
CommonDreams.org (this is more a compendium of progressive news sources, but I always find excellent stuff on there)
The Village Voice


Any US news source that isn't tabloidy is part of the left-wing-biased liberal propoganda machine. Don't believe me? Just ask Sisko.

[DroppinScience]

Any US news source that isn't tabloidy is part of the left-wing-biased liberal propoganda machine. Don't believe me? Just ask Sisko.

Well sisko is a man of infinite wisdom, remember. :p

Oh and one other news source that I completely forgot to add. And it's the best news source in THE WORLD, not just America:

The Daily Show With Jon Stewart :D (y)

[drobertson420]

I'd not say Great Britain is a country per sé. I know the Scots and the Northern Irish and the Welsh would certainly get arsey if I went around telling them that.

I've had this discussion before, and while there are arguments both for and against, I think there are over-riding ones.

Firstly, the country is technically "The United Kingdom" if you wish to argue in strictly political terms. "Great Britain" is generally considered to just be the Island, although some people use it as a synonym with the "UK" in which case it would include Northern Ireland as well.

Secondly, while some people specify that Wales, Scotland, etc are not seperate countries, but are kingdoms, this is generally due to ease of reference. Scotland has its own parliament (Wales has its own assembly, which is not quite the same thing) and thus a fair degree of autonomy.

There are still many island provinces under UK dominion ATM (Falklands anyone?) - and while the UK "owns them" you would not say they are "Great Britain" or "The United Kingdom"

Besides, Wales hasn't had their own king since their royalty was wiped out by the English, so making the destinction that wales is a "kingdom" not a "Country" in its own right is not literally true.

So, while the UK is one "nation" - it is considered to be made up of a group of "countries" by a significant proportion of its population.


O.K......England

[drobertson420]

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How closely do you think some latino-american understands Minnesotan shennanigans?





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I'd say they understand them pretty well....

The Chicano Latino population is Minnesota’s second largest ethnic group. According to several recent demographic studies, the Latino community in Minnesota since 1990 has experienced a growth rate of 57%. Research also indicates that the Latino community in Minneapolis has grown over 220% in that same time period. By 2015, Minnesota’s Latino community is projected to grow by 82%.
;)
Believe it or not, all Latinos are not concentrated soley in New York City and East L.A., like in the movies.......

[Ali]

Oh... I guess I'm not used to the UK tabloids. Since that was my first article I read from a UK tab, I couldn't help but laugh at it.

Here are some news sources from the US whom I'd say are either quite excellent (or pretty good overall):

PBS
The New York Times
The Los Angeles Times
The Nation
Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman
Boston Globe
CBS' 60 Minutes
NPR (National Public Radio)
CommonDreams.org (this is more a compendium of progressive news sources, but I always find excellent stuff on there)
The Village Voice

That's what I can come up with off the top of my head. If there's others, feel free to list 'em.

Ace, please list the UK Broadsheets which you think are worthy?

I bet you can't get past 3 and that one of them's the Guardian. All but (possibly) the FT have a political affiliation and most are more concerned about what happened on Eastenders last night, or who's been thrown out of the Big Brother house or what the England Coach wears to bed than anything worth reading. As for TV, the BBC sometimes, very rarely has something worth watching, otherwise UK TV is as bad as the US, except with less choice.

You seriously think Charles Kennedy is a threat to Labour? If you think Lib Dems have even half a snowball's chance in hell next year, you need to change your brand of tea. If UKIP and the Tories combine, there might be a fight, otherwise it's just a question of how to get rid of Blair, but the Lib Dems haven't a hope, even if they did quite well in the last local election, the fact that the Tory vote was split between UKIP and Tory was what helped Lib Dem, not the other way round.

UK is no better than US; in terms of the Moron Majority, the useless fukn media and complete lack of choice amongst leaders to choose from, so you have no room to criticise the US, cos your country's no different.
Sure you, personally may be more educated than most of your fellow Englishmen, you most probably are; (or at least good at looking up definitions) but the fact remains that the English remain largely a bunch of ignorant, dole-grubbing football and telly-obsessed, overpaid, xenophobic, jobsworth, whinging twats. AND your leader has taken you to war on the pretext of a pack of lies and continues to sit up and beg for Bush while pretending to want to drag your whinging asses into Europe.

At least Bush has better teeth.

PS you are getting SO owned in this thread.

PPS please define "opinion-poker"? If we go by my definition, then you would pretty much perfectly fit the bill!

Yeah, fuck it, let's just say whatever comes into our heads, who gives a shit what we are actully SAYING means. As long as we say it loud and often enough and WE know what we mean, we can say any fucking thing we want!

Perhaps if you weren't a kiddy playing at "opinion-poker" you might not rant like a frothy-mouthed bitch.

Edit: the point of all this abuse is that you need to know how Americans feel when somebody criticises their country, even if they are not part of the problem, it still hurts... see?

[Ali]

O.K......England North or South? Or the Midlands?

They all hate each other's guts. Northerners hate 'Soft Southern Shite' Southerners despise 'Working-Class' Northerners. Everybody hates Brummies and Scousers. Please be more specific. You can't equate someone from Devon with a Geordie, they may as well be from a different planet! (they certainly sound nothing alike).

[Ali]

I'd say they understand them pretty well....

The Chicano Latino population is Minnesota’s second largest ethnic group. According to several recent demographic studies, the Latino community in Minnesota since 1990 has experienced a growth rate of 57%. Research also indicates that the Latino community in Minneapolis has grown over 220% in that same time period. By 2015, Minnesota’s Latino community is projected to grow by 82%.
;)
Believe it or not, all Latinos are not concentrated soley in New York City and East L.A., like in the movies.......

Owned.

Perhaps you should do a bit of research before mouthing off, eh, Ace? Maybe even go to the US for a bit? See what it's really like, as opposed to the skewed view your media gives you.

[drobertson420]

North or South? Or the Midlands?

They all hate each other's guts. Northerners hate 'Soft Southern Shite' Southerners despise 'Working-Class' Northerners. Everybody hates Brummies and Scousers. Please be more specific. You can't equate someone from Devon with a Geordie, they may as well be from a different planet! (they certainly sound nothing alike).

Awful lot of Division going on over there in.....Stonehenge place......ummm......errr....Great....
..ummm.....Engl.....errr.....United K..uhhhh.....Across The Pond!

[drobertson420]

North or South? Or the Midlands?

They all hate each other's guts. Northerners hate 'Soft Southern Shite' Southerners despise 'Working-Class' Northerners. Everybody hates Brummies and Scousers. Please be more specific. You can't equate someone from Devon with a Geordie, they may as well be from a different planet! (they certainly sound nothing alike).

That would be like putting Latinos in the unlikely State of Minnesota,
and that's just MAD!!! ;)

(I see your point though)
Rugby Scrum!!!!

[Ali]

That would be like putting Latinos in the unlikely State of Minnesota,
and that's just MAD!!! ;)
or Pakistanis in Bradford or Jamaicans in Brixton.

[drobertson420]

or Pakistanis in Bradford or Jamaicans in Brixton.

Crazy Talk!

[Ali]

Crazy Talk!
Imagine there's no heaven,
It's easy if you try,
No hell below us,
Above us only sky,
Imagine all the people
living for today...

Imagine there's no countries,
It isnt hard to do,
Nothing to kill or die for,
No religion too,
Imagine all the people
living life in peace...

Imagine no possesions,
I wonder if you can,
No need for greed or hunger,
A brotherhood of man,
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say Im a dreamer,
but Im not the only one,
I hope some day you'll join us,
And the world will live as one.
No wonder he got shot.

[drobertson420]

No wonder he got shot.

Too Busy Imagining?

[ASsman]

And now it has become a better thread?
Or do you wish to clean your hands of the past, and ignore the future?

[Ace42]

I'd say they understand them pretty well....


Actually, No, you made that up.

Blacks make up 3.5%
Asians are 2.9%
Hispanics are 2.9%
Whites are 89.4%

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/27000.html

Read my sig.

They are still an incredibly small minority, so the point stands.

Owned.

Perhaps you should do a bit of research before mouthing off, eh, Ace? Maybe even go to the US for a bit? See what it's really like, as opposed to the skewed view your media gives you.

Perhaps you should too.

[Ace42]

Ace, please list the UK Broadsheets which you think are worthy?
I bet you can't get past 3 and that one of them's the Guardian.

National Broadsheets? The Guardian is a given, The Times, The Independant, The Telegraph, and as you point out, the FT. I make that 5 counting the Guardian. While I do not agree with or even like slightly over half of these, unlike other papers, I do not find myself questioning the facts they present, only the opinions they voice. However, the UK is a small country (can fit into Texas) so I can't see why you think quantity rather than quality is significant. How many national newspapers do you think such a (comparatively) small population can support?

All but (possibly) the FT have a political affiliation and most are more concerned about what happened on Eastenders last night, or who's been thrown out of the Big Brother house or what the England Coach wears to bed than anything worth reading.

Interestingly, the Guardian is considered to have a pro-labour affiliation. And yet, the news was full of rumours about it aligning with the Lib Dems a few weeks back. If a newspaper is incredibly critical of its affiliation, and is quite willing to change its affiliation, then surely the perceived affiliation is meaningless?

Obviously I skip those sections, but I don't recall any of the aforementioned being particularly interested in these.

As for TV, the BBC sometimes, very rarely has something worth watching, otherwise UK TV is as bad as the US, except with less choice.

It has certainly been a dry run recently. However, in strictly political terms, shows such as "The Daily Politics" "This Week" "Newsnight" "Question time" - all manner of documentaries, etc the BBC has an excellent reputation. In the near future, "Digital" broadcasting will expand the number of channels available to the general populace (which I already get to see) also. Channel 4 also has a first-rate run of material. And occasional smut. However, are you tlaking about US terrestrial TV? Or, because cable is so engrained in their culture, are you choosing to include subscription channels, without offering the same courtesy to the UK with Sky, etc?

Also, I find this a highly amusing criticism, considering the terrible TV France regularly churns out.

You seriously think Charles Kennedy is a threat to Labour? If you think Lib Dems have even half a snowball's chance in hell next year, you need to change your brand of tea. If UKIP and the Tories combine, there might be a fight, otherwise it's just a question of how to get rid of Blair, but the Lib Dems haven't a hope, even if they did quite well in the last local election, the fact that the Tory vote was split between UKIP and Tory was what helped Lib Dem, not the other way round.

You might want to do research, the Labour majority is going DOWN. If it was merely Tory / UKIP defectors, Labour's popularity would remain untouched. Please, stop trying to make things up on the spot, it makes you seem ignorant.

UK is no better than US; in terms of the Moron Majority, the useless fukn media and complete lack of choice amongst leaders to choose from, so you have no room to criticise the US, cos your country's no different.

We have plenty of leaders to choose from. As I said, Charles Kennedy has managed to run a minority party into effective opposition in the space of a couple of elections. Charles Kennedy is not a carbon copy of Blair in any way shape or form (More than can be said for Kerry) - and if people want a minority candidate, that person STILL gets to be an MP if they get in locally, and so form an effective part of government, unlike a losing presidential candidate who gets bupkiss. The two systems are incredibly different, and you pathetic attempts to compare them jsut go to show that you are willing to disregard facts or argument, just to make a retarded vitriolic point.

Sure you, personally may be more educated than most of your fellow Englishmen

I can't see why I would be. It is not like I went to a private school and college. It is not like my family is rich. I went to the same school as the council-flat kids, I had the same teachers, I was in the same class. And if your point that we have a narrow band of media is correct (which I would dispute) - then of course they are exposed to the same information as me.

but the fact remains that the English remain largely a bunch of ignorant, dole-grubbing football and telly-obsessed, overpaid, xenophobic, jobsworth, whinging twats.

"Ignorant" - and yet 80% of Labour voters do not believe things that are objectively false.

Dole-Grubbing - Unemployment is at 4.7%, only about half of those are "on dole" with a claimant rate of 2.7%

http://www.hrmguide.co.uk/jobmarket/unemployment.htm

Football obsessed - Possibly, I don't enjoy the game myself, and neither does anyone I know, but I do appreciate it has a massive following. That said, there are more overseas Manchester United fans than there are locally. I'd make a case that a lot of countries are equally if not more football obsessed.

Telly obsessed - Quite possibly, I'd certainly say on a par with the US. Like this is a bad thing.

Overpaid - Overpaid and dole-grubbing? Paradox alert.

Xenophobic - vocal minority. The UK is a multi-cultural country. The channel tunnel made the UK "part of Europe" in a very tangible sense, and many English people appreciate the benefits that being close to other nations bring. Certainly, the fact that more English people don't learn foreign languages is lamentable, but that is not necessarily xenophobic. Certainly not as xenophobic as the French having laws stating that a percentage of all broadcasts MUST be French-language in order to prevent "cultural erosion"

"jobsworth whinging twats" - Great summing up...

AND your leader has taken you to war on the pretext of a pack of lies and continues to sit up and beg for Bush while pretending to want to drag your whinging asses into Europe.

And he has received widespread criticism, and MPs are trying to get him impeached.

PS you are getting SO owned in this thread.

In your world, maybe.

Edit: the point of all this abuse is that you need to know how Americans feel when somebody criticises their country, even if they are not part of the problem, it still hurts... see?

Not particularly. If you actually backed up what you said with some sort of evidence or rational, instead your personal opinions, then you might be one step closer to making a point.

[drobertson420]

Actually, No, you made that up.

Blacks make up 3.5%
Asians are 2.9%
Hispanics are 2.9%
Whites are 89.4%

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/27000.html

Read my sig.

They are still an incredibly small minority, so the point stands.



Perhaps you should too.
Wrong Again, Limey. http://www.clues.org/Latinos%20in%20Minnesota/latinos_in_minnesota.htm ;) (wrong in that I made it up)

[drobertson420]

mmmmm... I love the taste of Foot. :D

[drobertson420]

How closely do you think some latino-american understands Minnesotan shennanigans?


I believe This was your point. Some...What, 5? 8? A Dozen?

[paulk]

Ok ok ok, please end this gayness, all of you.

[Rosie Cotton]

At least Bush has better teeth.

Wow, that's a well thought out arguement. Because I know I base my vote on the quality of a candidate's dental work.

[paulk]

And don't forget that Laura can bake some damn fine cookies.

[paulk]

But wait, don't you think if she really baked better cookies than Theresa, George W. would always be eating them? So his teeth wouldn't be so hot. I wonder if they used O'dell's machines to tally the votes for the bake-off.

These are some major inconsistencies, and I think litigation wouldn't be uncalled-for.

[w33t]

I'd like a cookie.

[Rosie Cotton]

Dubya's rich, though. He could afford the cavities (so much for being the Grammar Gestapo). He could have dentures made of pearls if he wanted.

[drobertson420]

How closely do you think some latino-american understands Minnesotan shennanigans?

Hispanics are 2.9%
[url]http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/27000.html[/url

All you did here was provide facts that prove you're wrong.
Read my sig.

What constitutes a "serious poster"? 1000+ posts?
, or just 1 good one.... ;)




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O.K. I'm done. (P.S. Don't take offense to the "Limey" Comment,
It just means you don't have Scurvy.)

"Ok ok ok, please end this gayness, all of you."

The ending of the gayness shall begin! :)

[drobertson420]

Actually, No, you made that up.



Hispanics are 2.9% In 2000


http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/27000.html



They are still an incredibly small minority, so the point stands.

But read the footnote...(b)
(b) Hispanics may be of any race, so also are included in applicable race categories.

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O.K. That's all I have to say about that..
Can we move on here? :o