A message to liberals on this site. I voted Bush! Here's why!

[DecideOnYourOwn]

I've read a lot of posts on this site about people wanting to know why Bush was re-elected.... well, I'll try to sum up my opinion....


There were 39 U.S. combat related fatalities in Iraq during the month of January. This is a tragic result of war. Some pay a greater price for freedom than others. Some give everything. But in the city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That ís just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.
When some claim President Bush shouldnít have started this war because Iraq never attacked us they forget:
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us. Japan did. From 1941 to 1945, 450,000 U.S. lives were lost. This is an average of 112,500 per year.
President Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950 to 1953 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.
John F. Kennedy first committed troops to Vietnam in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. President Johnson committed one half a million young Americans to Vietnam on any given day. From 1965 to 1975 58,000 of Americaís finest young men and women were lost.
President Clinton went to war in Bosnia without U.N. or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama Bin Laden three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
In the three years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, bloodied al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. (With chemical weaponsóWMD)
Some complain about how long the war took, but it took les time to take Baghdad than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Dravidian compound. That took 51 days.
We have been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd ID et all to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida.

War is an ugly thing, but it is not the ugliest thing. Far uglier are those who benefit so much from those who gave their lives to protect this precious gift of freedom, yet call them ìbaby killersî and ìmurders.î Freedom has a different taste for those who have had to defend it in combat.
The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. We forgot that for a season.
When you take to the streets to protest the war on terror you might remember the words of Father Dennis Edward OíBrien:
"It is the soldier, not the reporter, who gave us freedom of press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who gave us freedom of speech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gave us freedom to demonstrate. It is the soldier, who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protesters to burn the flag."
As a nation we will survive George Bush, Bill and Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and the press. What we cannot survive is the every growing movement of polarization and hatred that permeates American politics today. There are those in politics whose only enemy is their fellow Americans. It was al-Qaida who attacked the World Trade Center, not George Bush or John Kerry. Please try to remember that. At the end of the day what will save us is unity as Americans not hatred of each other.

I posted this earlier on my other thread, but I really wanted someone to read it. Don't vote for a candidate because Puffy tells you to, or ben affleck, or roseanne barr, seriously, THINK ON YOUR OWN! STUDY!!! and be civilized for crying out loud!

[yeahwho]

That is so much bullshit I can hardly stand it. Are you proud? I'll let somebody else break it down for you. And hey, when you address people on this board, address them fellow as Beastie Boys fans. Show just a modem of respect with your 4 posts.

[DecideOnYourOwn]

sorry man, i didn't mean to disrespect, i just don't have the time to post 575 times dude, i gotta go to work

[Space]

clinton told kerry to be against gay marraige because he felt the left was making him out to be way to liberal, and that being against gay marriage would bring god back in the party all so moderatly.

[EF shhhh Hutton]

Preach on brotha. 100 years from now the World will be thanking America and Bush--it'll take time but the LIBS will come around.

[Whois]

I've read a lot of posts on this site about people wanting to know why Bush was re-elected.... well, I'll try to sum up my opinion....

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You already posted this...SPAM

[DroppinScience]

With Bosnia, they had NATO approval (which includes French approval as well... there are French troops stationed in the Balkans too), so there was still that air of legitimacy.

WWII, of course Germany didn't attack the U.S., but they were allied with Japan. They were the AXIS afterall, so of course you have to fight the Germans too. :rolleyes:

All of these situations were under quite different circumstances than the Iraq war and they were largely just (Vietnam being the exception, there's no way in hell you can cite Vietnam to defend the Iraq war, LAME). Being attacked is not the only just cause for intervention. But Iraq certainly does not fall under a just cause.

Call it what you like but a quagmire is a quagmire.

[Ace42]

That ís just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.

100,000 Iraqi civillian deaths.

When some claim President Bush shouldnít have started this war because Iraq never attacked us they forget:
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us. Japan did.

Germany declared war on the United States before the US declared war on Germany following Pearl Harbour.

From 1941 to 1945, 450,000 U.S. lives were lost. This is an average of 112,500 per year.
President Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950 to 1953 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.

100,000 dead Iraqis in just over one year.

John F. Kennedy first committed troops to Vietnam in 1962.

The US were in Vietnam before then.

He was offered Osama Bin Laden three times by Sudan and did nothing.

That has been disproved.

Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.

And has nothing to do with Iraq, and his relationship to the Taliban is shakey to say the least.

In the three years since terrorists attacked us President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, bloodied al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. (With chemical weaponsóWMD)

He has liberated neither. There have been more deaths in Iraq after the war than before. They have still had no elections, and of the elections Rumsfled said "some election is better than none" - suggesting that a democracy which is inherantly corrupt is better than no democracy. A corrupt democracy is exactly the same as no democracy. There are more drugs coming out of Afghanistan now that Bush has "liberated" it, millions faced starvation, and tribal warlords have carved the country up between them.

Saddam allegedly killed 300,000 of his own people in over 30 years or reign. These are generous figures (as they come from the same people that bought you the 'incubator baby' lies) as they refuse to acknowledge that some of the dead found in mass-graves were casualties from the incredibly bloody Iran-Iraq war, and that many were from the US's indescriminate bombing of residential areas. However, that makes 100,000 a decade.

There were more than 100,000 killed in the previous Iraq war, and 100,000 in this one. The US only has to go in one more time to have more than equalled Saddam's tally. The most recent 100,000 deaths have been in the last couple of years, NOT DECADE. This is not counting the many more innocent Iraqis that have died because of sanctions.

So, to put this into perspective, another 2 decades of Saddam would've caused the Iraqis less death and misery than the US intervention, AND they would've got to keep the satellite TV, electricity, and other creature comforts.

And, BTW, There is plenty of evidence that suggests the IRANIANS not the Iraqis gassed the Kurds at Halabja, AND the Kurd were not "Saddam's own people" - they were rebels armed by the CIA, and thus no more "his people" than the fighers in Falluja are Iraqi's puppet-primeminister's "own people" - infact, substantially less so.

Some complain about how long the war took, but it took les time to take Baghdad than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Dravidian compound. That took 51 days.

And yet, there have been more casualties since the capital was taken than in the run up.

We have been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law firm billing records.

There are no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. Full stop. As for chemical weapons, pshaw, the US uses chemical weapons.


It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida.

Iraq hasn't been taken yet. Check the news.

War is an ugly thing, but it is not the ugliest thing. Far uglier are those who benefit so much from those who gave their lives to protect this precious gift of freedom, yet call them ìbaby killersî and ìmurders.î

Yeah, calling people baby killers is so much uglier than killing babies.

"It is the soldier, not the reporter, who gave us freedom of press. It is the soldier, not the poet, who gave us freedom of speech.

Who do you think *takes away* freedom of speech? Father Christmas? The one-armed man?

It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who gave us freedom to demonstrate.

Like those national guards that shot dead those student protestors did?

At the end of the day what will save us is unity as Americans not hatred of each other.

Save your nation, sell your soul today!

I know I'd rather be an American than right, any day.

I posted this earlier on my other thread, but I really wanted someone to read it. Don't vote for a candidate because Puffy tells you to, or ben affleck, or roseanne barr, seriously, THINK ON YOUR OWN! STUDY!!! and be civilized for crying out loud!

Why don't you take your own advise and study? You have made it abundantly clear that you do not know what you are talking about. Get facts from books, or even the web. Not the back of serial packets, or some dumbass xeroxed Republican jizz-rag.

[DecideOnYourOwn]

yeah man, i know, sorry about the friggin' repeat, i just thought more people might read it if i posted it in a new thread, instead of when i originally posted it on the 39th response of my other dying topic.....

[DroppinScience]

Oh yeah and why are neo-cons citing Kosovo to defend Iraq?

They all threw a tizzy when their hero Milosevic was thrown out of power in '98. :eek:

[yeahwho]

sorry man, i didn't mean to disrespect, i just don't have the time to post 575 times dude, i gotta go to work

DecideOnYourOwn, you better get to work, managing money is not one of this president's strong points. Plus and minus signs mean nothing to him. If he were actually writing checks, they'd be bouncing to the moon. The federal government's revenue was $100 billion lower this year than when Mr. Bush took office, and spending is $400 billion higher.

[yeahwho]

originally posted by DecideOnYourOwn; yJohn F. Kennedy first committed troops to Vietnam in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. President Johnson committed one half a million young Americans to Vietnam on any given day. From 1965 to 1975 58,000 of Americaís finest young men and women were lost.

How convenient you left out Nixon and the "Vietnamization" campaign. People were fucking rioting in the streets of america. We were carpet bombing the living shit out that country. Hell of an Endgame.

[D_Raay]

Thanks for doing the work for us Ace... First rate (y)

[Whois]

How convenient you left out Nixon and the "Vietnamization" campaign. People were fucking rioting in the streets of america. We were carpet bombing the living shit out that country. Hell of an Endgame.

Laos

Cambodia

:D

[yeahwho]

Thanks for doing the work for us Ace... First rate (y)

Yes it is.

[infidel]

THINK ON YOUR OWN! STUDY!!! Talk about lame. That whole spew that makes you feel like you thought on your own is nothing more than an email rumor that circulated around almost a year ago. Every fact in it has been disproven.

[Ace42]

There were 39 U.S. combat related fatalities in Iraq during the month of January.

In addendum:

http://www.channel4.com/news/2004/02/week_2/10_iraq2.html

The true extent of US casualties in Iraq are still unknown.

That was FEBRUARY.

You can watch a stream of the report, see the interviews with your own eyes.

[ASsman]

Not a good way to start. AT ALL. Also no one here wants your "opinions".

o·pin·ion Audio pronunciation of "opinions" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pnyn)
n.

1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).
2. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
3. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
4. The prevailing view: public opinion.
5. Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.

[drobertson420]

You already posted this...SPAM
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[infidel]

Preach on brotha. 100 years from now the World will be thanking America and Bush--it'll take time but the LIBS will come around.
Way I see it it will go the same way as Reagan's administration, the economy will be such a mess that the next president will have to raise taxes incredibly to keep the country out of a depression. This will result in one term for the next president then a switch to the other party for several terms to pull things back together.
Bush's legacy will be the same as Reagan's, the only ones touting how great he was will be the Republicans but the raw facts will demonstrate him to be a miserable failure.

[ASsman]

A message to liberals on this site. I voted Bush! Here's why!
You should direct yourself to conservatives who think he is a complete moron. And fucked up, BIG TIME.

[phinkasaurus]

When some claim President Bush shouldnít have started this war because Iraq never attacked us they forget:
FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us. Japan did. From 1941 to 1945, 450,000 U.S. lives were lost. This is an average of 112,500 per year.
President Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us. From 1950 to 1953 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.
John F. Kennedy first committed troops to Vietnam in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. President Johnson committed one half a million young Americans to Vietnam on any given day. From 1965 to 1975 58,000 of Americaís finest young men and women were lost.
President Clinton went to war in Bosnia without U.N. or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama Bin Laden three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.


i like how you use other unjust wars to justify this unjust war. did your mother ever tell you two wrongs don 't make a right? it's true.
and as much as you bring up osama, one would think you might take issue with your boy bush not going after him. i mean, the u.s. knew that a religious fundamentalist was not recieving sanctuary in a secular dictatorship, and the u.s. still used the "war on terror" as our reason to topple saddam.

side note, anyone else feel bush and co. are reading orwell's "1984" and just enacting each page?

[brendan]

There were 39 U.S. combat related fatalities in Iraq during the month of January. This is a tragic result of war. Some pay a greater price for freedom than others. Some give everything. But in the city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That ís just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.



this is why people think americans are so dumb...39 deaths (last January), so that's 39 out of 140-160,000 troops. and in detroit that's 35 murders out of about one million people. so in iraq 1 in 4,103 chance of being killed last january (now remember the death toll is rising in iraq and those closer to combat are even more likely to die). and let's not forget the 5,000 plus soldiers that have lost limbs or have been seriously injured...in detroit (one of america's most dangerous city's) it's a 1 in 28,571 chance on being murdered. and if you're not involved in crime and don't live in the really poor parts your chance of being murdered is almost none.

somebody needs to give you a history lesson as well...

[Ace42]

Notice the pig-fucker hasn't come back since. Can post the same bullshit twice, but as soon as someone corrects him, instead of ignoring the drivel he came up with, he does his road-runner act. Meep-meep.

[Fladgy Glitz]

Worst president ever and now we get another 4 years. (n)

[Whois]

Worst president ever and now we get another 4 years. (n)

ever?

You people need to read more history...

[ASsman]

"Ever" as in.. I don't really know what he means.

[Rosie Cotton]

Hmm...you voted for Bush. How nice. Here's why I voted for Kerry:

Bush has wasted a surplus left by Clinton, by giving his rich buddies a tax cut.

Bush invaded a sovereign nation without just cause.

He lied to the American public, nay, the world repeatedly.

The environment is in shambles.

No Child Left Behind? Actually quite a few are being left behind when he takes much needed funds from a school so one kid can learn about Jesus in yet another place.

Faith based initiatives. If someone needs drug treatment and they go to a clinic, it is now okay for said clinic to attempt to convert this person. And if you're gay, you'd better not let them know, some of these places don't have to treat you.

Speaking of gays, if the gay dude who lives down the street from me wants to get married, it doesn't bother me. (Although the penis shaped tree he puts in his front yard at Christmas is something I don't want my little cousins to see, at least until their teenagers.)

and lastly: I want Antonin Scalia nowhere near my uterus. ;)

[drobertson420]

Not a good way to start. AT ALL. Also no one here wants your "opinions".

o·pin·ion Audio pronunciation of "opinions" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pnyn)
n.

1. A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof: “The world is not run by thought, nor by imagination, but by opinion” (Elizabeth Drew).
2. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert: a medical opinion.
3. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing: has a low opinion of braggarts.
4. The prevailing view: public opinion.
5. Law. A formal statement by a court or other adjudicative body of the legal reasons and principles for the conclusions of the court.
6. They're like Assholes; Everybody has one.

[krs5446]

Thanks for doing the work for us Ace... First rate (y)

Keep relying on ace and you will keep sounding like fools. you call people who support Bush trolls. the only trolls on this board are the ones who believe his lies.

[yeahwho]

Keep relying on ace and you will keep sounding like fools. you call people who support Bush trolls. the only trolls on this board are the ones who believe his lies.

Independent thought and the ability to use it. Wow, I'm going to check that out someday. One of many goofy things about your above statement is this, it is a direct insult of multiple people. Yet somebody who compliments a fellow board member is a troll. What does this make you?

[Whois]

Independent thought and the ability to use it. Wow, I'm going to check that out someday. One of many goofy things about your above statement is this, it is a direct insult of multiple people. Yet somebody who compliments a fellow board member is a troll. What does this make you?

Please don't quote the monkey.. :D

[ASsman]

Also, don't feed it.

[Ace42]

Yah, don't quote the tosser. He doesn't even know how WW1 started and thinks he can make judgements about the validity of other people's posts. He's not worth paying attention to, we don't.