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D_Raay
11-08-2004, 01:48 AM
http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/983

Evidence is mounting that the 2004 presidential election was stolen in Ohio. Emerging revelations of voting irregularities coupled with well-documented Republican efforts at voter suppression prior to the election suggests that in a fair election Kerry would have won Ohio.

Democratic hopeful Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts conceded on November 3, based on preliminary postings by the highly partisan Republican Ohio Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell. These unofficial results showed Bush with 136,483 more votes than Kerry, although 155,428 provisional ballots, 92,672 “spoiled” ballots, additional overseas ballots, and some remaining absentee ballots remained uncounted.

The day after his concession, Kerry drew 3,893 votes closer to Bush when a computerized voting machine “glitch” was discovered in an Ohio precinct. A machine in ward 1B in the predominantly Republican Gahanna, Ohio, recorded 4,258 votes for George W. Bush when only 638 people cast votes at the New Life Church polling site. Buried on page A6 of the Columbus Dispatch, the story also reported that the voting machine recorded 0 votes in a race between Franklin County Commissioners Arlene Shoemaker and Paula Brooks. Franklin County Board of Elections Director Matt Damschroder told the Dispatch that the voting machine glitches were “why the results on election night are unofficial.”

Prior to the discovery of these irregularities, investigative reporter Greg Palast, who exposed the systematic disenfranchisement of Democratic voters in Florida in 2004, wrote an article entitled, “Kerry won.” Palast and numerous other observers point to the fact that the exit polls showed Kerry winning. Palast concludes that the exit polls were correct, but Kerry votes were far more likely to remain uncounted on election night.

Unofficial Ohio presidential results provided by the Secretary of State’s Office show 155,428 provisional ballots cast. Blackwell was all over the national news telling everyone who would listen that these ballots were randomly distributed and not disproportionately for Kerry. As former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani raved on national TV demanding Kerry’s concession, a basic analysis of the provisional ballots suggested that they were disproportionately for Kerry.

Historically, provisional ballots are far more likely to be cast by poor and minority voters, who live in the urban centers and move more often. Ohio has 88 counties, the vast majority of them rural. Kerry won 15 counties in Ohio, virtually all large urban centers. In those counties, 85,096 provisional ballots remain uncounted. Past elections point to the fact that these provisional ballots are hardly ever cast in the affluent, primarily Republican municipalities, but are overwhelmingly from the central city. Also, an additional 17,038 provisional ballots are from Hamilton County and Wood County. Bush won Hamilton with 53% of the vote and Wood County with 53.5%. Traditionally, the provisional ballots in Hamilton County come from Cincinnati and its poor central city areas. These are areas where John Kerry won handily on Election Day.

Thus, 102,134 of the provisional ballots, nearly two-thirds (65.7%) in all probability come from solidly pro-Kerry areas and are most likely cast by pro-Kerry supporters such as African Americans and the poor. These fit the same socio-economic demographics and racial profiles of voters targeted by the GOP for challenges in Ohio.

Palast also points to the 92,672 so-called “spoiled” ballots in Ohio that have yet to be counted, and may never be tallied. The most famous spoiled ballots were the 2004 Florida punch cards that could not be machine read, but when looked at manually the voter’s intent could be determined. Expert statisticians who investigated spoilage in the 2000 election in Florida found that 54% of these discarded ballots were cast by blacks. In Ohio, most of the spoiled votes were lost through punch card ballots in 2004.


There's more too, click on the link provided...

stillill
11-08-2004, 02:07 AM
Thanks for the link. I am just in shock that virtually nothing has changed since 2000. America continues to sadden and infuriate me.

toreadore
11-08-2004, 03:42 AM
America continues to sadden and infuriate me.

Why do you in such a masochistic way refer to USA as America? America is fortunately much more than the United States of Corruption. (Canada, Brazil, and Mexico for instance)

ASsman
11-08-2004, 05:32 PM
Because we are egotistical.

bigkidpants
11-08-2004, 06:42 PM
i hate to keep bringing it up, but . . . why did kerry concede?

Whois
11-08-2004, 06:45 PM
i hate to keep bringing it up, but . . . why did kerry concede?

To make it look like there was an actual election...

infidel
11-08-2004, 06:59 PM
How to strike fear in the republicans.
Require that they use one of the voting machines in question to count the votes when the electoral college meets on Dec 12 to finalize the election. Like the one that counted 4000 plus votes for bush in a precinct where only 600 people voted.
It's not over till Dec 12 when the college meets, it doesn't matter that Kerry conceded.

QueenAdrock
11-08-2004, 07:01 PM
It still bothers me that the maker of the machines used in the election was quoted as saying he'd "do anything to get President Bush re-elected". I have hope if anything was fishy, he'll be caught.

ASsman
11-08-2004, 07:02 PM
He is right. He counted the electronic votes himself.

Rosie Cotton
11-09-2004, 01:56 AM
How to strike fear in the republicans.
Require that they use one of the voting machines in question to count the votes when the electoral college meets on Dec 12 to finalize the election. Like the one that counted 4000 plus votes for bush in a precinct where only 600 people voted.
It's not over till Dec 12 when the college meets, it doesn't matter that Kerry conceded.

Remind me, why the fuck do we feel we need to know by the next morning?

Ali
11-09-2004, 06:01 AM
To make it look like there was an actual election...worrrrrrd

it was a fukn farce, a game of "good politician-bad politician" designed to distract y'awl, while US troops prepared to attack Fallujah, maiming, killing destroying, while Israel continues to oppress Palestinians, with the FULL support of both Bush and Kerry.

Nader would have got something done, but WTF is going to vote for him?

Sick, fukdup world.

Whois
11-09-2004, 10:40 AM
People call me a cynic, what they fail to realize is my cynicism is born of experience.

Our elections are a sham...

D_Raay
11-09-2004, 12:27 PM
Time to just keep adding to one thread rather than make new ones, there are so many stories after all....

http://www.wowt.com/news/headlines/1161971.html

Sarpy County election officials are trying to figure out how they ended up with more votes than voters in the general election. As many as 10,000 extra votes have been tallied and candidates are still waiting for corrected totals.

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110904.html

While it’s extraordinary for a candidate to get a vote total that exceeds his party’s registration in any voting jurisdiction – because of non-voters – Bush racked up more votes than registered Republicans in 47 out of 67 counties in Florida. In 15 of those counties, his vote total more than doubled the number of registered Republicans and in four counties, Bush more than tripled the number.

Statewide, Bush earned about 20,000 more votes than registered Republicans.<------ :eek:

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/11/far04038.html

"Citing concerns about potential terrorism, Warren County officials locked down the county administration building on election night and blocked anyone from observing the vote count as the nation awaited Ohio's returns. County officials say they took the action Tuesday night for homeland security, although state elections officials said they didn't know of any other Ohio county that closed off its elections board. Media organizations protested, saying it violated the law and the public's rights. The Warren results, delayed for hours because of long lines that extended voting past the scheduled close of polls, were part of the last tallies that helped clinch President Bush's re-election." -- The Cincinnati Enquirer

http://www.counterpunch.org/swanson11082004.html

The "mainstream" media has fallen down on the job by failing to cover efforts since November 2 to ensure that all votes in the presidential election are accurately counted. The conclusion by John Kerry that an investigation could not possibly reverse the election may quite possibly have been premature. But the question that both activists and the media should be asking is not whether there was enough fraud and errors to decide the election, nor even whether there was more than is usual, but whether there was any fraud or errors, where the problems occurred, how they can be prevented in the future, and -- in particular -- whether new kinds of fraud were permitted by new technologies and by the privatization of our election process.
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Word has reached me from several sources within the media that journalists/reporters are being told point-blank that they will be fired for any mention of vote fraud, even in private conversations that happen to be overheard. If you ever had any doubt who the media serves inthis country, this should make it clear that the media serves the dictator, not the people.
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There's more but this is sufficient I believe... There is a sit-in scheduled in Ohio protesting the results of election. If you live there you should check it out.
http://www.freewebs.com/libertyordeath/index.htm
Dear Concerned Americans,

I am abhorred by the terrible turn that our country has taken. In 2000, many of us did not know what to make of the election debacle that stormed Florida. When Election 2004 came around, many of us knew we'd be ready.

But someone was already way ahead of us. Electronic voting allowed the Bush Administration to STEAL the election. Facts point overwhelmingly to the fact that it was purposeful, and not just a mistabluation.
To make things worse, it has been reported that there is a media blackout, and that they will not report any of this to the mass public.

Ladies and Gentlemen, if they will not report, then we must do something to make them listen. Our time is running out to save this election.

I am proposing a sit-in of massive proportions. We need thosands of people willing and able to get to Columbus, Ohio to sit in every business, every diner, and surround every government building.

After Columbus has been virtually shut down, believe me, the media will listen.

Sit-ins have long been used to champion democracy. The famous Greensboro, North Carolina sit-ins were done for Civil Rights.

This sit-in will be for voter's rights.

If you are able and willing (please do not email if you cannot come) send an email to songbound@yahoo.com with the subject 'Columbus Sit-In'. In the event you try to email and it is full, try one of these emails instead:

yumaleonheart@yahoo.com

quinanalopez@yahoo.com

greendreamruin@yahoo.com

aiakasilverstone@yahoo.com

If you cannot afford it, but otherwise would be able to come, EMAIL ANYWAY. We will find a way to get you there. Include in the email that you cannot afford to come.

If enough people are willing to stand up for democracy, we will set a date and moblize.

God bless.

Sarah

D_Raay
11-09-2004, 12:33 PM
Well, maybe this one more,
http://www.michigancityin.com/articles/2004/11/04/news/news02.txt
The day after a two-and-a-half-hour delay in counting ballots due to a glitch in a computer program, LaPorte County election officials are still trying to figure out what happened.

"Maybe there was a power surge," LaPorte County Clerk Lynne Spevak said. "Something zapped it."

At about 7 p.m. Tuesday, it was noticed that the first two or three printouts from individual precinct reports all listed an identical number of voters. Each precinct was listed as having 300 registered voters.

That means the total number of voters for the county would be 22,200, although there are actually more than 79,000 registered voters.
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"Um, it was, ah, it was a, a, a, 'power surge', yeah, that's right. It was a power surge. Sure sure sure, a power surge. Yeah."

paulk
11-09-2004, 12:46 PM
If O'dell had known that his machines were designed in some way to make Bush win the election, don't you think he would have been careful not to make any suspicious comments?

D_Raay
11-09-2004, 12:48 PM
Well, valid point but, there was also a guy who bought a 5,000 umbrella stand, and one who had a massive party on an island I recall. They obviously weren't worrying about how that would be perceived.