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ASsman
11-10-2004, 10:38 AM
Wednesday, November 10th, 2004
The Ohio Factor: Did Homeland Security and the FBI interfere With the Vote Count?

In Warren County, Ohio, election officials took a rather unprecedented action on November 2: They locked down the building where the votes were being tallied, blocking anyone from observing the vote counting process. President Bush won 72% of the vote in the county. We speak with the reporter who broke the story. Earlier this week on Democracy Now!, we reported on a story in Ohio's Franklin County. In one precinct, 638 people cast ballots. Yet, George W Bush got 4,258 votes to John Kerry's 260. In reality, Bush only received 365 votes. That means Bush got nearly 3,900 extra votes. And that was just in one small precinct. This in a state that Bush officially won by only 136,000 votes. Elections officials blamed electronic voting for the extra Bush votes.

Now, questions are being raised across the state of Ohio. In Cuyahoga County, Ohio, the County's website shows its 29 precincts had more votes than voters. In fact, it wasn't just a handful. It registered a whopping 93,000 more votes than voters. In Fairview Park, twelve miles west of downtown Cleveland, only 13,342 people were registered voters there, but they cast 18,472 votes.

Meanwhile, in Warren County, Ohio election officials took a rather unprecedented action on November 2. They locked down the building where the votes were being tallied, blocking anyone from observing the vote counting process. County officials said they took the action in response to a terror threat warning from the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI. County Commissioner Pat South said they were told by an FBI agent that the county was facing a level 10 security threat on a scale of 1 to 10. George Bush won 72% of the county's more than 92,000 votes.

* Erica Solvig, staff reporter for the Cincinnati Enquirer. She covers Warren County for the paper. Read article: "Warren Co. defends lockdown decision"

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Wednesday, November 10th, 2004
As Vote Scandals Continue to Emerge Could John Kerry 'Un-concede?'

John Kerry may have conceded but the Electoral College still hasn't cast its vote. We look at the ongoing controversy over voting problems on November 2nd in Florida and elsewhere with nationally-syndicated radio talk show host Thom Hartmann and statistician Kathy Dopp. With the resignations of Attorney General John Ashcroft and Commerce Secretary Don Evans, President Bush is beginning the process of reshaping his cabinet for his second 4-year term.

But, controversy continues to rage over the fairness of the November 2 presidential election. Stories are still emerging from states like Ohio, Florida, North Carolina and New Mexico of widespread problems with vote counting, voter suppression and malfunctions of electronic voting machines. There are now multiple activist campaigns urging John Kerry to un-concede.

In response to scores of emails he received as part of these campaigns, John Kerry's brother Cam sent out a mass email that said: "I am grateful to the many people who have contacted me to express their deep concern about questions of miscounting, fraud, vote suppression, and other problems on election day, especially in Florida and Ohio. Their concern reflects how much people care about the outcome of this election. I want to you to know we are not ignoring it. Election protection lawyers are still on the job in Ohio and Florida and in DC making sure all the votes are counted accurately. I have been conferring with lawyers involved and have made them aware of the information and concerns people have given me. Even if the facts don't provide a basis to change the outcome, the information will inform the continuing effort to protect the integrity of our elections."

* Thom Hartmann, nationally-syndicated radio talk show host and the author of 14 books, his latest is "What Would Jefferson Do?: A Return to Democracy" His latest article posted on CommonDreams.org is titled "This is a Game Where Principles are the Stake."
* Kathy Dopp, independent mathematician who has been closely monitoring the patterns of the 2004 election results in Florida.

http://www.democracynow.org/

(Transcripts will be posted as soon as they are made availible)

infidel
11-10-2004, 10:55 AM
My prediction and hope is that someone directly involved in manipulating the vote with irrefutable evidence will come forward next year and blow the lid off the whole thing. Something is definitely fishy.
Bush will pull a Nixon, resign rather than face impeachment but will still be tried, convicted and imprisoned along with most of his cronies.

ASsman
11-10-2004, 10:57 AM
And traded like chocolate and cigarettes while in jail?

Ali
11-10-2004, 11:21 AM
Civil war, anyone?

ASsman
11-10-2004, 11:29 AM
I got dibs on Zouves threads.

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Whois
11-10-2004, 11:31 AM
I got dibs on Zouves threads.

http://home.nycap.rr.com/lathfam/5ny.jpg

Don't forget to buy your AK-74M!

D_Raay
11-10-2004, 12:32 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/index.html

An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.

Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry's 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna. Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct.

So, finally a mainstreamer has a story on this.. Figures it would be the network that doesn't seem to know who they are, CNN.

Seems I spoke too soon, which I don't mind in this case.. Keith Olberman covered this on his program. Here comes the mainstream I guess, let's hope it develops further.
http://home.comcast.net/~hugh.moore/countdown_on_voting_irregs.wmv
^this is a must watch, not because we don't know any of this, but the urgency with which he reports it.