Abortion

[Echewta]

I hope the Republicans can finally make good on their promise to make abortion illegal after Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II saying they would. No excuse now with the Congress in their hands. Lets see how fast they make it a reality or how slow they make it another promise in 2008 to get elected.

[ASsman]

Let the wire hanger purchasing commence!

[infidel]

Kill three birds with one stone.
Making abortion illegal will cause the reps to make the borders more secure to keep desperate women from crossing for abortions. In the meantime the republican dream of outsourcing jobs will increase.

[Qdrop]

abortion will never be banned......
that would light the fuse of the Left like never before......
the GOP would get slaughtered in 2008....

there would be demonstrations, mobs, riots,...name it. it would throw such a wrench into our countries legal system, congress, supreme court......

no president wants to be remembered for that.

it would polarize this country worse than it is now (if that's possible)....it would go down as the worse decision since prohibition.

it will never happen.....as long as the left stands strong.

[Qdrop]

a fetus is important, an iraqi child is not

a fetus is important, a homeless child is not

a fetus is importnat, a starving child is not

a fetus is important, a child's education is not

a fetus is important, a child's healthcare is not

a fetus is important, an abused child is not

a fetus is important, a child born to a drug addict is not

Life begins and is important at conception, but it really doesn't matter once it is born...

it's all about control.

yeah.....that pretty much summarizes the republican mindset. tragic.


ok...so if a fetis is to be considered a child, with all the rights of a child (ergo abortion is murder)....then does that mean we can charge a pregnant women who does drugs with child abuse?....what if she drinks?...smokes?....eats fast food? isn't that child abuse/neglect?
what if she goes to rough concert where she can get bumped?....is that "endangering the welfare of a child"?

where does this slippery slope end?

lines must be drawn. if nothing else than for the sake of pragmatic civil order.--what works and what doesn't.

a child is not a member of society until it is born.....therefore, society cannot have any say in it's health/life until then.
it's the only practical solution.

[ASsman]

abortion will never be banned......
that would light the fuse of the Left like never before......
the GOP would get slaughtered in 2008....

there would be demonstrations, mobs, riots,...name it. it would throw such a wrench into our countries legal system, congress, supreme court......

no president wants to be remembered for that.

it would polarize this country worse than it is now (if that's possible)....it would go down as the worse decision since prohibition.

it will never happen.....as long as the left stands strong.

Like when Bush was re-elected?

[infidel]

Like when Bush was re-elected?
Only 18% of voters said in exit polls they supported banning abortion.

It is utterly immoral to force a woman to bear an unwanted child. It is immoral not just because of the impact to women but because of the impact to the earth and future generations. Billions of people today live in poverty on the edge of starvation. We currently consume 20 percent more natural resources than the Earth can produce and that we have permanently reduced Earth's capacity to support life. The skyrocketing curve of population growth is about to meet the plunging curve of resource depletion.

If a woman does not want a child, then the Earth does not want it either. Far better to let a tiny embryo, the merest spark of life, be extinguished, than to risk the lives of so many who are already here. This is a moral choice of the highest order and it is one that all women are empowered to make.

Those who oppose abortion and reproductive choice are the ones who are anti-life.

Those who support a woman's right to choose and who want to help women all over the world gain access to reproductive health care are the ones who are morally righteous and who are on the side of life.

There is no cause more moral than this one: We shall leave a living planet to our children, not a wasteland.

The "moral majority" is neither moral or a majority.

[little j]

if a woman "does not want" a child, perhaps she should use some kind of birth control method before having sex.
eh?
we live in a world today where birth control is incredibly easy to obtain, and even if you cant, there is always abstinence.
im not for banning abortion...i think it should be a choice in certain situations, but i do not think it should be a choice if a woman who is old enough to choose to have sex (lets say 14+) gets pregnant and doesn't want it.
if you choose to have sex you reep the consequences.
birth control people. birth control.

[ASsman]

Actually it is not. Try getting a morning after pill, then you will see how "easy" it is.

Yah, you are right. We will start by spreading the good word. Then converting all public schools private boarding schools, managed by Jesuit priests.



if you choose to have sex you reep the consequences.
Thanks for referring to the same "children" you are arguing for mere consequences. Im sure that consequence will grow up to be a fine individual, in a fine New Jersey town.

[cookiepuss]

if a woman "does not want" a child, perhaps she should use some kind of birth control method before having sex.
eh?
we live in a world today where birth control is incredibly easy to obtain, and even if you cant, there is always abstinence.
im not for banning abortion...i think it should be a choice in certain situations, but i do not think it should be a choice if a woman who is old enough to choose to have sex (lets say 14+) gets pregnant and doesn't want it.
if you choose to have sex you reep the consequences.
birth control people. birth control.

While the core of your message is a good one I can't completely agree. Brith control is not 100% effective..things can defiently go wrong there. I don't like the idea of anyone telling me that you can only have an abortion under these circumstances..but not under these. A woman has the right to choose no mater what the circumstances.

[little j]

the morning after pill should be easier to get, but if one is using proper birth control before having sex, one probably wouldn't need the morning after pill eh? and yeah.


please refrain from having unprotected sex unless you are ready for a kid....

i would go even further and say "please dont ever have sex until you are ready for a kid protected or not" but yeah, protected sex is fun.


p.s. there is no right answer to this debate.

[ASsman]

Well if there isn't then what the hell are we doing.

Also if there are NO right answers it is pointless to argue either side. We should just let it be like French economics.

[freetibet]

abortion will never be banned......
that would light the fuse of the Left like never before......
the GOP would get slaughtered in 2008....

there would be demonstrations, mobs, riots,...name it. it would throw such a wrench into our countries legal system, congress, supreme court......

no president wants to be remembered for that.

it would polarize this country worse than it is now (if that's possible)....it would go down as the worse decision since prohibition.

it will never happen.....as long as the left stands strong.

good point there.


hey, if abortion is 'good' than so is the death penalty. what's the difference?

[beastiegirrl101]

It's probably a man that posted this thread....they know nothing about our bodies. ;)

[ASsman]

I know enough to not get lost.

[Bitchamachacha]

Abortion make Bitchamachacha ANGRY!

[Whois]

Abortion make Bitchamachacha ANGRY!

Whois LOVES avitar...

:cool: (y)

[little j]

Abortion make Bitchamachacha ANGRY!
*please rip off your shirt-please rip off your shirt*

;)

[Space]

correct me if i am wrong;

but i believe i heard one day that more people move into this country from other countries every year than are born american citizens in this country. :confused:

[Space]

Those who oppose abortion and reproductive choice are the ones who are anti-life.

.

i havent been able to distingquish the difference between abortion and genocide.... :(

[Echewta]

Yes, I am a man and posted about this. I put my penis in girls vaginas so its important to me too.

[cookiepuss]

Only 18% of voters said in exit polls they supported banning abortion.

It is utterly immoral to force a woman to bear an unwanted child. It is immoral not just because of the impact to women but because of the impact to the earth and future generations. Billions of people today live in poverty on the edge of starvation. We currently consume 20 percent more natural resources than the Earth can produce and that we have permanently reduced Earth's capacity to support life. The skyrocketing curve of population growth is about to meet the plunging curve of resource depletion.

If a woman does not want a child, then the Earth does not want it either. Far better to let a tiny embryo, the merest spark of life, be extinguished, than to risk the lives of so many who are already here. This is a moral choice of the highest order and it is one that all women are empowered to make.

Those who oppose abortion and reproductive choice are the ones who are anti-life.

Those who support a woman's right to choose and who want to help women all over the world gain access to reproductive health care are the ones who are morally righteous and who are on the side of life.

There is no cause more moral than this one: We shall leave a living planet to our children, not a wasteland.

The "moral majority" is neither moral or a majority.

I think you just explained some of the reasons I support keeping abortion legal. (y)

[brendan]

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=36434&highlight=bush+abortion

and let's not forget...the number of abortions went up during the bush years. way to go pro-lifers!!!

[infidel]

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=36434&highlight=bush+abortion

and let's not forget...the number of abortions went up during the bush years. way to go pro-lifers!!!
Your statement needs a little embellishment.
In the past twenty years the number of abortions has decreased every year except in the last three where it has increased an average of 14% per year.

[milleson]

My first kid was "a suprise". I was 18 and unwed. I considered all options available to me at the time, abortion, adoption, or just having the baby. In the end I married the baby's dad and we delivered a healthy baby girl. I feel really good about my decision. We've had another child since then, (by choice), he's two now, and we've been married for over 5 years.

Though I did not have an abortion, I am thankful for the choice. It will be a dark day for women when/if abortion ever becomes illegal. The government has no place legislating the human body. If it did, would a miscarriage equate to involuntary manslaughter?

[Whois]

Though I did not have an abortion, I am thankful for the choice. It will be a dark day for women when/if abortion ever becomes illegal. The government has no place legislating the human body. If it did, would a miscarriage equate to involuntary manslaughter?

(y)

[racer5.0stang]

Why can't men and women practice abstinance(spelling)?

It is not the baby's fault that it was conceived, why should it be killed? For the good of society? Most of us that are alive today, I would assume were not planned. What if we were all aborted?

[Whois]

What if we were all aborted?

Stupid is as stupid says...or something stupid like that.

:rolleyes:

[ASsman]

Why can't men and women practice abstinance(spelling)?

It is not the baby's fault that it was conceived, why should it be killed? For the good of society? Most of us that are alive today, I would assume were not planned. What if we were all aborted?

Because I said so.

Oh and not everyone is Christian....

[little j]

AND sex is fun kids
it is!
and its a great way to say "i really really care very much about you"

doing it without protection/birthcontrol/condoms(doublewrappedatfirst) is stupid.

birthcontrol rocks my socks.

[Qdrop]

plus,
is no one picking up on the prohibition analogy?

people seem to assume that just because you ban it, people will stop doing it.

yeah.....that's working REAL well with drugs.

it wouldn't work with guns either.....

and we know what happened with alchohol in the 30's.

it's this simple: if people want it, THEY WILL GET IT.
be it drugs, guns, abortion, alcohol....

banning something does not make it go away......in fact, it usually makes it much worse.....

it opens the door to black markets, smuggling, and all kinda of illegal enterprise.

consider the health crisis this country would experiance with illegal back-alley abortions.

this could be YOUR future daughter we are talking about!

taking a "moral stand" is just not practical.
particularly in this case.

and saying "just don't have sex" is not realistic or practical either.
this is the reality of the situation: people will have sex. people will have unprotected sex. people will have unwanted pregnancies.
THAT WILL HAPPEN.
peroid.
accept that.
that will not change....
stop bitching.....stop preaching.
accept reality.
drop your ideaology.

the question is how we are going to deal with that.

key word here: pragmatic

let's all look it up.

[Whois]

the question is now we are going to deal with that.

key word here: pragmatic

let's all look it up.

Pragmatic - an automatic prag.
:p (y)

[Rosie Cotton]

Why can't men and women practice abstinance(spelling)?

It is not the baby's fault that it was conceived, why should it be killed? For the good of society? Most of us that are alive today, I would assume were not planned. What if we were all aborted?

There is a HUGE difference between "unwanted" and "unplanned". It's safe to say that most of us were unplanned.

[frisky girl]

it's easy to say birth control everytime you have sex but life doesn't always go like you plan, accidents happen. i would never tell another woman to have an abortion cos i think it's suffering that will never go away, cos how do you forget you killed your baby, you don't and never will.


I know of no pro-choicers who tell women to have abortions. It's called pro-choice, not pro-abortion. I agree with you that women shouldn't use abortion as birth control, but making it illegal isn't the answer. We need more education, intervention, etc. in schools.

[Rosie Cotton]

Education? Not in the Bush White House! Ignorance is bliss. Why burden yourself with unneccesary things like knowledge?

[infidel]

Why can't men and women practice abstinance(spelling)?
Because humans are just animals, especially the ones who voted for bush.
Ever try to keep two dogs from fucking?

[ASsman]

Well Gay marriage has been banned in like 11 states. So that stops that.

[Whois]

Well Gay marriage has been banned in like 11 states. So that stops that.

Yup, if even ONE gay person has sex...err, nevermind.

[Rosie Cotton]

Well Gay marriage has been banned in like 11 states. So that stops that.

Yeah, now those evil, heathen fudge packers can't make any queer babies.

[infidel]

Well Gay marriage has been banned in like 11 states. So that stops that.We can hope that the terrorized will begin to come back from the darkness of the churches where they huddle and realize that their homosexual children will instantly become happily heteros just because gay marriage is banned now

[Whois]

We can hope that the terrorized will begin to come back from the darkness of the churches where they huddle and realize that their homosexual children will instantly become happily heteros just because gay marriage is banned now

:D (y)

Nice sig BTW...

[Rosie Cotton]

I thought gays were supposed to be promiscuous? And now they want to get married? What? But how could that be?

[paulk]

Double wrapping increases the chance of breakage due to friction.

[w33t]

a fetus is important, an iraqi child is not

a fetus is important, a homeless child is not

a fetus is importnat, a starving child is not

a fetus is important, a child's education is not

a fetus is important, a child's healthcare is not

a fetus is important, an abused child is not

a fetus is important, a child born to a drug addict is not

Life begins and is important at conception, but it really doesn't matter once it is born...

it's all about control.

I seriously hope you're kidding.

[paulk]

I seriously hope you are kidding about hoping he's kidding.

[infidel]

I seriously hope you're kidding.
He's obviously kidding except the last four words

[greedygretchen]

from the liberal resurgent website...

Abortion Myths
abortion is murder (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-abortion.htm)

the Bible forbids abortion (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-bibleforbids.htm)

personhood begins at conception (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-personhood.htm)

Most women feel depression and trauma after an abortion (http://www.huppi.com/kangaroo/L-abortiontrauma.htm)

[mcyo]

if a woman "does not want" a child, perhaps she should use some kind of birth control method before having sex.
eh?
we live in a world today where birth control is incredibly easy to obtain, and even if you cant, there is always abstinence.
im not for banning abortion...i think it should be a choice in certain situations, but i do not think it should be a choice if a woman who is old enough to choose to have sex (lets say 14+) gets pregnant and doesn't want it.
if you choose to have sex you reep the consequences.
birth control people. birth control.

You must be a man to say such things....

[ASsman]

Wait, aren't I a man?

[Whois]

Wait, aren't I a man?

Crotch check!

*checks self*

Yup... (y)

[mcyo]

Decide to have a baby, is the woman choice first. And a man who want to take is responsabilities well it's better!!!

since i prefer to have an abortion than to be alone to take care of a baby.

And when a man say that woman should take contraceptives before have sex, well he just don't deserve to have sex!!!
It's just not all the woman to take all the responsabilities!!!

[frisky girl]

Wait, aren't I a man?


I don't know...are you?

[ASsman]

Damn weres a good "MacBeth" quote when I need one.

[Whois]

Damn weres a good "MacBeth" quote when I need one.

"What bloody man is that?" - MacBeth, Act 1, Scene 2 :eek:

[ASsman]

This is my rifle
This is my gun
This ones for fighting
This ones for fun

[Whois]

This is my rifle
This is my gun
This ones for fighting
This ones for fun


Isn't that from Beethoven's 'Fidelio'?

[racer5.0stang]

Because humans are just animals, especially the ones who voted for bush.
Ever try to keep two dogs from fucking?


How many dogs have you seen at a clinic killing their young?

[100% ILL]

How many dogs have you seen at a clinic killing their young?

None. Only Humans who are enlightened and knowledgable would see that murdering your own offspring is a valid "choice", Until they stand face to face with the Almighty.

[infidel]

How many dogs have you seen at a clinic killing their young?
Dogs don't need to go to a clinic to kill their young and if left to their own devices most often win kill several of their litter.
The way every species but man most often works is that the animal has enough offspring to replace just the parents even though it may take a thousand births to have two that make it to reproductive age. Nature's way of preventing overpopulation. Humans on the other hand have far too many children and many that live are brought up in a environment where they are physically and mentally retarded because they are unwanted. This leaves more tards to keep on reproducing, polluting the gene pool, making the human species weaker and weaker.

[Whois]

How many dogs have you seen at a clinic killing their young?

I've seen animals eat their young.

[racer5.0stang]

Dogs don't need to go to a clinic to kill their young and if left to their own devices most often win kill several of their litter.
The way every species but man most often works is that the animal has enough offspring to replace just the parents even though it may take a thousand births to have two that make it to reproductive age. Nature's way of preventing overpopulation. Humans on the other hand have far too many children and many that live are brought up in a environment where they are physically and mentally retarded because they are unwanted. This leaves more tards to keep on reproducing, polluting the gene pool, making the human species weaker and weaker.

I see. So how do you explain the deer population? So according to you, we should eat or kill the ones who would bring society down.

[infidel]

I see. So how do you explain the deer population? So according to you, we should eat or kill the ones who would bring society down.
The deer population is out of whack because humans fear the predators (mountain lions, wolves, etc.) that naturally kept the deer population down and wiped them out.

I don't advocate genocide. No one should decide who brings society down but if someone is born that is unwanted it's pretty obvious they will develop into a less than optimum human. Best if the unwanteds are never born.

Whether you favor abortion or not basically comes down to when you think life actually begins and to take it is murder. I personally feel life doesn't begin until brainwaves are present in the fetus, generally after four months. Anthing later than that should be outlawed.

What's with this "eating the little ones who would bring society down?"
You sound like one sick dude, get some help.

[100% ILL]

[QUOTE=infidel]

Whether you favor abortion or not basically comes down to when you think life actually begins and to take it is murder. I personally feel life doesn't begin until brainwaves are present in the fetus, generally after four months. Anthing later than that should be outlawed.

For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.
Luke 1:44

Another perspective

[Whois]

Let me guess, a ^Babble^ quote?

[100% ILL]

^ another angry rant.^

[cookiepuss]

I've seen animals eat their young.


I have too. we had a cat called Cannibal kitty. She ate all her babies. Many animals will eat thier young or wrose if they have too many young they will abandon them and leave them for dead. it's cruel. because nature is harsh. not everyone is ment to survive and that included humans too.

Many animals also particiapate in homosexual activites as well. Ever see a couple of calfs humping in a feild? I know every one who has a dog has probably causght them at least one with a dog of the same sex. it happens, it's fucking "natural"

I don't wanna hear any more bullshit. We may have considerably more advanced congnition than the rest of the animals..but we are not that far removed from the animal world.

[ASsman]

What the Fuck.

[Whois]

I have too. we had a cat called Cannibal kitty. She ate all her babies. Many animals will eat thier young or wrose if they have too many young they will abandon them and leave them for dead. it's cruel. because nature is harsh. not everyone is ment to survive and that included humans too.

Many animals also particiapate in homosexual activites as well. Ever see a couple of calfs humping in a feild? I know every one who has a dog has probably causght them at least one with a dog of the same sex. it happens, it's fucking "natural"

I don't wanna hear any more bullshit. We may have considerably more advanced congnition than the rest of the animals..but we are not that far removed from the animal world.

Homosexual animals make baby Jesus cry...then God kills a kitten. :(

[100% ILL]

Homosexual animals make baby Jesus cry...then God kills a kitten. :(

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Galatians 6:7

[infidel]

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Galatians 6:7Why don't you quote some parables for us that justify killing ragheads?

[Whois]

Why don't you quote some parables for us that justify killing ragheads?

Deuteronomy

7:1 - When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

7:2 - And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them.

[100% ILL]

Why don't you quote some parables for us that justify killing ragheads?

Your use of the term "ragheads" is derogatory and uncalled for. What are you some kind of infidel or something?

[100% ILL]

Deuteronomy

7:1 - When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girgashites, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

7:2 - And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them.

I fail to see what you are trying to point out. However I am familiar with the passage.

[infidel]

Your use of the term "ragheads" is derogatory and uncalled for. What are you some kind of infidel or something?Just using a term that a bible thumper would be familar with.

[ASsman]

I prefer sandnigger.
Double SLUR!!

[HotAndWet]

I have too. we had a cat called Cannibal kitty. She ate all her babies. Many animals will eat thier young or wrose if they have too many young they will abandon them and leave them for dead. it's cruel. because nature is harsh. not everyone is ment to survive and that included humans too.

Many animals also particiapate in homosexual activites as well. Ever see a couple of calfs humping in a feild? I know every one who has a dog has probably causght them at least one with a dog of the same sex. it happens, it's fucking "natural"

I don't wanna hear any more bullshit. We may have considerably more advanced congnition than the rest of the animals..but we are not that far removed from the animal world.

I've seen animals of the same sex go at it too, this just proves that homosexuality is in nature, it's not some "choice".