How is it that any fan of the Beastie Boys voted for G.W. Bush?

[Darren_Nanos]

Seriously? That Nassau post that got closed made my fucking jaw drop.
Not only is the guy an arrogant, stereotypical piece of shit who voted Bush, but he says that "Any man in the right state of mind would. I am not one to be convinced by movie stars, musicians and shock jocks that I should vote for whom they feel they choose."
Outrageous. I guess half the country.... (only men by the way) were not in the right state of mind on November 2nd. And I guess the three men who are in the band you came to see then complained about were also not.
Fucking genius. What reason would any non-female have for voting Republican in this election anyhow? I would love to hear a few good ones.
Bush voters please secede from the union.

[Extra Cheese]

this belongs in the political discussion forum.

[fugazi]

Seriously? That Nassau post that got closed made my fucking jaw drop.
Not only is the guy an arrogant, stereotypical piece of shit who voted Bush, but he says that "Any man in the right state of mind would. I am not one to be convinced by movie stars, musicians and shock jocks that I should vote for whom they feel they choose."
Outrageous. I guess half the country.... (only men by the way) were not in the right state of mind on November 2nd. And I guess the three men who are in the band you came to see then complained about were also not.
Fucking genius. What reason would any non-female have for voting Republican in this election anyhow? I would love to hear a few good ones.
Bush voters please secede from the union.

if i were you i'd kill myself you stupid anarchist

[Daisy]

Seriously? That Nassau post that got closed made my fucking jaw drop.
Not only is the guy an arrogant, stereotypical piece of shit who voted Bush, but he says that "Any man in the right state of mind would. I am not one to be convinced by movie stars, musicians and shock jocks that I should vote for whom they feel they choose."
Outrageous. I guess half the country.... (only men by the way) were not in the right state of mind on November 2nd. And I guess the three men who are in the band you came to see then complained about were also not.
Fucking genius. What reason would any non-female have for voting Republican in this election anyhow? I would love to hear a few good ones.
Bush voters please secede from the union.

Posts are closed for a reason. Just sayin...

[Mac D]

married women voted bush, single women voted kerry. not just men voted for bush. get your facts straight.

[Darren_Nanos]

if i were you i'd kill myself you stupid anarchist

wow, i'm an anarchist now. and i have no facts you idiots.... i'm actually talking about what someone else said. I'm being sarcastic... mcking someone.. what's the use in trying to say something serious to people who aren't gonna get it.

[ASsman]

Seriously? That Nassau post that got closed made my fucking jaw drop.
Not only is the guy an arrogant, stereotypical piece of shit who voted Bush, but he says that "Any man in the right state of mind would. I am not one to be convinced by movie stars, musicians and shock jocks that I should vote for whom they feel they choose."
Outrageous. I guess half the country.... (only men by the way) were not in the right state of mind on November 2nd. And I guess the three men who are in the band you came to see then complained about were also not.
Fucking genius. What reason would any non-female have for voting Republican in this election anyhow? I would love to hear a few good ones.
Bush voters please secede from the union.

Easy, the same way people "voted" for Hitler. He won democractically.

[Space]

most people have to realize that at least 1/3 of their fellow statesmen voted for someone else than they did. i am not about to ask my neighbors to leave the state or union, nor call them idiots.

im in the middle. wiggle wiggle.

if you considered moving to another country, i ask why not move to a swing state instead...ie florida?

[ASsman]

Because all hope has been lost.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

[American]

Seriously? That Nassau post that got closed made my fucking jaw drop.
Not only is the guy an arrogant, stereotypical piece of shit who voted Bush, but he says that "Any man in the right state of mind would. I am not one to be convinced by movie stars, musicians and shock jocks that I should vote for whom they feel they choose."
Outrageous. I guess half the country.... (only men by the way) were not in the right state of mind on November 2nd. And I guess the three men who are in the band you came to see then complained about were also not.
Fucking genius. What reason would any non-female have for voting Republican in this election anyhow? I would love to hear a few good ones.
Bush voters please secede from the union.
Why does the minority always have to complain and cry like a bunch of babies. Why can't they take it like a man and carry on with what they have to do? If you think that the left should have won why don't you try and figure out why they didn't (and "everyone that voted for Bush is an idiot" is not an intelligent answer) and why more people chose Bush so when the next election roles around you will be more prepared? It is like everyone got so upset when Gore lost that they were more concerned with crying about it and talking shit about Bush that they forgot to tell America what they stand for. And no one likes a sore loser. Anyone can place blame and that is all of the democrats have done for 4 years. The only solution that I have heard has been "I have a plan." Well what the fuck is your plan????? Don't get me wrong, I refuse to be right or left and this allows me to make unbiased opinions.

[paulk]

Why does the minority always have to complain and cry like a bunch of babies. Why can't they take it like a man and carry on with what they have to do?

Yeah, damn negroes and their suffrage. And women too. All that whining about the right to vote was bullshit.

[Ace42]

and "everyone that voted for Bush is an idiot" is not an intelligent answer.

It is an answer supported by statistical evidence. 80% of Bush voters did NOT know what they were talking about.

But let me guess, your interpretation based on wild subjectivity is a "more intelligent answer" than the conclusion made by the University of Maryland, after widespread research and examination.

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=35796&highlight=bush+supporters+touch

[American]

Yeah, damn negroes and their suffrage. And women too. All that whining about the right to vote was bullshit.
I do not think that sitting around complaining amongst themselves is what gained them rights.

[American]

It is an answer supported by statistical evidence. 80% of Bush voters did NOT know what they were talking about.

But let me guess, your interpretation based on wild subjectivity is a "more intelligent answer" than the conclusion made by the University of Maryland, after widespread research and examination.

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=35796&highlight=bush+supporters+touch
OK Ace. I finally read it and I admit, I find it very interesting. Especially considering that I am a student at the University of Maryland. If you are like the rest of the conspiracy theorist I can email you a copy of my student ID. And yes, I have a full time career and full time college. I guess I am ambitious. Now for my next question. Why do you find this so important? It has been made known that the people that voted for Bush were not as concerned with the war but the direction that our country is heading in as far as morals go. It was obvious that gay marriage and religion are foremost on their mind. This is understandable as these issues affect us in our own neighborhoods, not just something we see on TV. And yes,,, we are a TV society.

Seems to me that what you consider most important and what most of America (the ones that voted at least) consider important are 2 very different things. Do you agree?

[D_Raay]

You don't think that Bush voters being dumber than Kerry voters is important? You being an educated person yourself? Come on man, wake up and smell what you are shoveling..

[American]

Don't put words in my mouth. Read what I wrote word for word and answer what I asked. My point is, maybe they didn't know because they were not concerned. I am going to educate myself on things that I am concerned with first rather than things that I feel less concerned about. They obviously felt that morals at home was more important than a war in Iraq. It is not wrong for them to feel that way when you don't. We all have the right to decide what we feel is best for ourselves and families. Wouldn't you agree?

[Ace42]

If you are like the rest of the conspiracy theorist I can email you a copy of my student ID.

conspiracy theory
n.

A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act.

Thinking someone is a liar does not make you a "conspiracy theorist" - and suggesting the two are connected (like using the term disparaginly at all) makes you seem close-minded and thus ignorant.

Why do you find this so important?

I'd say 80% (an overwhelming majority) of a candidates voters basing their political choices on lies is incredibly important. Think about it, nearly all of your candidates (legitimate, the illegitimate ones of which there are many are not relevant to this point) support comes from people who think he standards for policies which he doesn't. If 80% of Bush voters voted for him because they thought he was going to enforce Islamic law on the whole US, you'd be bothered, right? That would be important, you'd be like "WTF?!?" Well, objectively (again, this is fact, not open to opinion) 80% of Bush supporters are EQUALLY misinformed as the hypothetical ones mentioned.

From a purely logicial sense there can be no "scale of wrong" on this matter. The 80% of Bush supporters that believe Bush stands for things he doesn't aren't "less wrong" than people who believe the Earth is flat.

I'd say massive voter ignorance is important. It is not the case that "people just don't care about these issues enough to be informed" - going to war "just because we didn't care enough to check the facts" would easily be the most tyrannical and despicable act a nation could perpetrate. Certainly worse so than in Nazi Germany. Are you saying the US is worse than Nazi Germany? If so, there would be a surprising number of people who agree with you, but I do not think this is the case.

It has been made known that the people that voted for Bush were not as concerned with the war but the direction that our country is heading in as far as morals go.

I'd disagree with that on so many levels. Sept 11th has effected the US in major ways. You just have to listen to the rhetoric to see this. Bush's campaign was majorly resting on his image as "war president" and in his speeches, he mentioned terrorist threats all the time. IE 30 times in as many minutes. However, for argument's sake we'll take that onboard:

Bush supporters are also mistaken about the president's own positions (a pattern of misapprehension that an earlier PIPA report also documented). "Majorities incorrectly assumed that Bush supports multilateral approaches to various international issues -- the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (69%), the treaty banning land mines (72%); 51% incorrectly assumed he favors US participation in the Kyoto treaty -- the principal international accord on global warming... Only 13% of supporters are aware that he opposes labor and environmental standards in trade agreements -- 74% incorrectly believe that he favors including labor and environmental standards in agreements on trade. In all these cases, there is a recurring theme: majorities of Bush supporters favor these positions, and they infer that Bush favors them as well."

Those issues are not concerned with "the War".

I think it speaks volumes that (by your arguments) Bush supporters are trying to argue about morality, but are doing so without understanding their candidate's position on issues which are expressly concerned with morality.

I find it amazing that you (or anyone else) could think that waging an illegal war that has resulted in over 100,000 innocent Iraq deaths could be anything OTHER than a "moral issue."

But fuck it, they don't live in the US, so behaving in an ethical and morally acceptable way is beside the point, as long as Bush pontificates about Stem-cell research and abortions. The latter being an issue limiting an individual's personal freedoms deciding what is going on with their own body. Since when has curtailing personal liberties been a corner stone of "the land of the free" ?

It was obvious that gay marriage and religion are foremost on their mind. This is understandable as these issues affect us in our own neighborhoods, not just something we see on TV. And yes,,, we are a TV society.

Unless you are gay, or live inside a church being frequented by homosexual couples, how does this affect you in your own neighbourhood? Or would allowing homosexual marriages indirectly make legal homosexual sex in a public place? Or, let me guess, if they were allowed to marry, they might DO SO ON TV! And heaven forbid we could change the channel...

Seems to me that what you consider most important and what most of America (the ones that voted at least) consider important are 2 very different things. Do you agree?

As has been illustrated, 80% of Bush supporters are so dumb that they will believe the exact opposite of what Bush says. Given this, I am not sure I am particularly concerned with what they consider important.

[American]

OK, answer me this. This study states that 80% of Bush supporters felt a certain way. I see a major flaw in this analysis. It should state that 80% of BUSH SUPPORTERS QUESTIONED!!!!!!!!! QUESTIONED being the KEY WORD! I know many people that voted for Bush that were not questioned. Out of the 50-some-million that voted for Bush, how many were questioned in this survey? Out of the others that voted for Kerry, how many were questioned in this survey? You are just impossible.

[Ace42]

OK, answer me this. This study states that 80% of Bush supporters felt a certain way. I see a major flaw in this analysis. It should state that 80% of BUSH SUPPORTERS QUESTIONED!!!!!!!!! QUESTIONED being the KEY WORD! I know many people that voted for Bush that were not questioned. Out of the 50-some-million that voted for Bush, how many were questioned in this survey? Out of the others that voted for Kerry, how many were questioned in this survey? You are just impossible.

You are just a retard if you think that the purpose of a scientific survey (which unlike a 'poll', follows scientific methodology to ensure the accuracy and relevence of its results) is anything other than to guarantee the results are representative of the majority.

By your argument, only 100% referenda can be used reliably. Does Bush ask every individual in the US their opinion before making decisions? No.

You'd not question any other statistic in this manner, and yet because the results of this particular survey disagrees with your opinion, YOU CAN'T TRUST SURVEYS!

Well guess what, every single psycholgically ascertained fact has been brought around by samplings. There is always the possibility that your sample might be mis-representative, and NONE of these surveys have interogated me. Does this render null their discoveries? No.

By your argument, clinical drug trials are meaningless because "they didn't test them on everyone!!!"

Stop trying to argue with the goddamn facts, it makes you look stubborn and stupid.

[American]

By your argument, clinical drug trials are meaningless because "they didn't test them on everyone!!!"
If they didn't test every Bush and Kerry Supporter it is only a percentage of the Bush and Kerry supporters tested, not a percentage of everyone that supports Bush and Kerry. And did they perform this "scientific" study on 100% of the people THAT VOTED? What if they only studied the ones that didn't vote but supported Bush or Kerry? That would mean that this study proves NOTHING! I guess that people like you will cling to anything, even if it is inaccurate, just like the reasons for the war you so detest. Like I said, I wasn't included in this study so it can't equal to 100% no matter how you look at it.

[Ace42]

If they didn't test every Bush and Kerry Supporter it is only a percentage of the Bush and Kerry supporters tested, not a percentage of everyone that supports Bush and Kerry.

Read that again, and then think of a way of rephrasing it so that it doesn't make you look like a dumbass.

And did they perform this "scientific" study on 100% of the people THAT VOTED?

Do you even know what you are saying? Since when have "clinical drugs trials" been performed on 100% of the population?

What if they only studied the ones that didn't vote but supported Bush or Kerry?

Read it again, do some research, find out how they did it.

That would mean that this study proves NOTHING! I guess that people like you will cling to anything, even if it is inaccurate, just like the reasons for the war you so detest.

"If they asked OSTRICHES, that would mean this study proves NOTHING!" - yeah, I guess that means I am clinging desperately to an accredited scientific report...

Like I said, I wasn't included in this study so it can't equal to 100% no matter how you look at it.

And you weren't included in the clinical drugs trials that OKd any of the medication you get on prescription today. I guess that means you have never taken any medication ever, right?

Oh wait, so the scientific methology is reliable enough to release potentially lethal chemicals on the population, but not reliable enough to show quite clearly that Bush supporters are dellusional boobs?

Look, if you can't even construct a logical and cohesive argument, you aren't worth my time. I don't expect you to be familiar with common debating practice, but if you are going to throw logic to the wind and start arguing black is white BECAUSE YOU SAY SO, you are gonna quickly earn a place on my ignore list with all the other ignorant trolls.

[D_Raay]

<---bowing to Ace

You will learn real fast American..

[phinkasaurus]

It was obvious that gay marriage and religion are foremost on their mind. This is understandable as these issues affect us in our own neighborhoods, not just something we see on TV.

so the reason a politician in our secular state was elected was because of his expressed religious convictions and how they would apply to his policy decisions?

sounds like a theocracy...

remember the constitution?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

just because one religion believes gay marriage (convienent title, not anti gay rights) or abortion are immoral, or "sins" does not give the followers of said religion pass laws or policy that directly impacts the whole populace; a populace comprosed of a people who subscribe to several religions and worldviews.
the u.s was founded on "freedom of religion". it's time we acted like it.

seriously, what's next? it's this kind of reasoning that leads to facsism, fanatasism, genocide, wars, etc.
and aren't murder, lying and stealing 3 of 10 commandments important to mosiac law? dubs is responsible directly and indirectly for all of those.



ahh ranting...

[adam_f]

Jesus Christ. This is retarded.

I don't care if the Beasties hate Bush. That doesn't bother me. I buy Beastie Boys cd's for the music, not for political preference.

I listen to Mos Def, Public Enemy, and Talib Kweli among others. Are you saying that because I listen to them, I have to agree with what they say?

The President is Bush, the Vice-President's a Dick
So a whole lot of fuckin is what we gon' get" Talib Kweli 'The Proud' off of Quality.

Those are funny lyrics. Now should I hate Talib Kweli? Hell no. I like his music, so whatever he says about Bush doesn't offend me.

If any rapper out there had said anything about Kerry or Clinton or whoever, it wouldn't be any different if it's done right.

[infidel]

It has been made known that the people that voted for Bush were not as concerned with the war but the direction that our country is heading in as far as morals go.This was determined by exit polling, the same polls that predicted Kerry as the winner. The Republican explanation for vast discrepancies between polling and votes counted is that the polls were flawed
If you believe the polls to be true then you must also believe bush did not receive the majority vote.
Sorry but you can't have it both ways.

[ASsman]

Jesus Christ. This is retarded.

I don't care if the Beasties hate Bush. That doesn't bother me. I buy Beastie Boys cd's for the music, not for political preference.

I listen to Mos Def, Public Enemy, and Talib Kweli among others. Are you saying that because I listen to them, I have to agree with what they say?

The President is Bush, the Vice-President's a Dick
So a whole lot of fuckin is what we gon' get" Talib Kweli 'The Proud' off of Quality.

Those are funny lyrics. Now should I hate Talib Kweli? Hell no. I like his music, so whatever he says about Bush doesn't offend me.

If any rapper out there had said anything about Kerry or Clinton or whoever, it wouldn't be any different if it's done right.
(y) . Listening to "intelligent" music doesn't really make you "intelligent". It is a fallacy, just like listening to lyrics that support different uh "opinions".

[ASsman]

I do not think that sitting around complaining amongst themselves is what gained them rights.

Uh this is a Discussion Board. We Discuss, now thanks for assuming all we do is complain and whine. I will assume the same about you.

[ASsman]

Too bad. Im not that weak minded whereas I am going to let a musical group persuade me to go against my gut feelings. Im wasn't voting for Kerry because I dont want to end up like we were in 2001. If Kerry would have taken office, we would have been attacked. thats it, case closed.


I voted for the right man.

Im sorry, when it comes to my family, their safety comes first. First amendment rights means shit when your 6 feet under.


There are other reasons associated with my decision but I dont feel like elaborating about them right now. Its redundant. The election is over.

Damn hes right.

THREAD CLOSED. BUSH WINNER, KERRY WHINER.

I didn't see the light until you game Guido Kind, thanks.

No but really, it will be my pleasure to tear your argument apart. And have anal sex with it.

Im not that weak minded whereas I am going to let a musical group persuade me to go against my gut feelings.
I sure hope everyone else voted on the bases of their "gut feeling". Heaven forbid they become informed about either canidates.


Im wasn't voting for Kerry because I dont want to end up like we were in 2001.
With Bush in office? I see your point.

If Kerry would have taken office, we would have been attacked. thats it
Because terrorist hate his hair. Also you wouldn't imagine what Bush has done for terrorist global recruitment. I asked my terrorist friend and he said he hasn't seen "these many volunteers in a coons age".

There are other reasons associated with my decision but I dont feel like elaborating about them right now. Its redundant. The election is over.
Oh please, don't waste our time with your ignorant dribble. We appreciate that.



case closed.
Case Closed.

[HotAndWet]

Guido, you're another pathetic example of someone who's been fooled by bush. What you just said is exactly what he wants you to think so everyone will think that if he's not president we'll all be attacked. So since we "need" bush to keep us "safe" who cares if he does anything else, right? Who cares if we have shitty health care coverage? Who cares that the economy has gone to shit? We're still alive right? George is keeping us safe!!!! Fucking tard.

[drobertson420]

Because all hope has been lost.

Fool me twice, shame on me.

"No it's, errrr.....Won't get fooled again."

[American]

Uh this is a Discussion Board. We Discuss, now thanks for assuming all we do is complain and whine. I will assume the same about you.
I didn't assume this. I came to this conclusion after reading all of the WHHHHHHAAAAAA, not Bush again. WWWWHHHHHAAAAAA, we are still at war,,,,, WHHAAAA. Aren’t you guys scared? Fuckers. Not one of you has even taken the time to understand my political views, which are, Republicans and Democrats are just a like. They just tell different lies. Kerry would have been not much different than Bush other than, well, his name isn't Bush and his Vice-President didn't work for Halliburton. I'm sure that Halliburton would have given him a job but he was too busy driving the price of medical care out of the atmosphere with frivolous lawsuits. They all suck and it is time for change. The left is just as bad as the right. Both are nothing more than EXTREMES of where we need to be!

[Rosie Cotton]

Jesus crotch. I'm gone two days and this is the first thread I read. Oh well...Too bad. Im not that weak minded whereas I am going to let a musical group persuade me to go against my gut feelings. Im wasn't voting for Kerry because I dont want to end up like we were in 2001. If Kerry would have taken office, we would have been attacked. thats it, case closed.

I highly doubt that any Kerry supporters on here voted the way we did because of the Beasties or any other celebrity. I can think of quite a few Bush supporters who voted that way because someone else was. But that's being petty. I don't want to stoop to that level.
I voted for the right man.

I'm not even going to touch that.

Im sorry, when it comes to my family, their safety comes first. First amendment rights means shit when your 6 feet under.

Hmmm, I think you need to hear a little quote:
"The things that will destroy America are prosperity-at-any-price, peace-at-any-price, safety-first instead of duty-first, the love of soft living, and the get-rich-quick theory of life."

Interesting. You were paying attention right? Do you know who said that? Theodore Roosevelt. That's something to keep in mind: peace at any price will destroy America. Wow...People were stupid back then, right?

There are other reasons associated with my decision but I dont feel like elaborating about them right now. Its redundant. The election is over.

What other reasons? "Moral issues?" Because moral issues for one person might be different for another. Besides, if you'd only watch South Park you'd know that Mormons are the only ones to get into heaven. Oh and Saddam Hussein. Weird, huh? Tax cuts? If so, then you probably don't need it, cause you're already a rich motherfucker. Because Bush is honest? Hahaha!!! Because he seems like someone you could have a beer with? Do you really think you're drinking buddies could do a good job of running the country?

Yes, you're right. The election is over. But we have a right, nay, a duty, to dissent against these right-wing nut-jobs. Maybe we should hear another gem from old Teddy:
"Criticism is necessary and useful; it is often indispensable; but it can never take the place of action, or be even a poor substitute for it. The function of the mere critic is of very subordinate usefulness. It is the doer of deeds who actually counts in the battle for life, and not the man who looks on and says how the fight ought to be fought, without himself sharing the stress and the danger." (1894)

Up against the wall, mothafucka!!!

[drobertson420]

If half the country(alledgedly) voted for Bush, and they are all Morons, why weren't "The Morons" or "Sheep" swayed into voting Kerry by all their favorite Hollywood Stars. If half of America is that dumb, it should have been a Landslide.... :confused:


Not everyone was Too Scared to vote Kerry...
He was just a shitty canidate...

[drobertson420]

"...Besides, if you'd only watch South Park you'd know that Mormons are the only ones to get into heaven. Oh and Saddam Hussein. "


I thought Saddam was Satan's Gay lover in Hell?
(movie)

[ASsman]

I didn't assume this. I came to this conclusion after reading all of the WHHHHHHAAAAAA, not Bush again. WWWWHHHHHAAAAAA, we are still at war,,,,, WHHAAAA. Aren’t you guys scared? Fuckers. Not one of you has even taken the time to understand my political views, which are, Republicans and Democrats are just a like. They just tell different lies. Kerry would have been not much different than Bush other than, well, his name isn't Bush and his Vice-President didn't work for Halliburton. I'm sure that Halliburton would have given him a job but he was too busy driving the price of medical care out of the atmosphere with frivolous lawsuits. They all suck and it is time for change. The left is just as bad as the right. Both are nothing more than EXTREMES of where we need to be!

Uh, so you can assume that if people only discuss in a discussion board, then that is all they ever do? Wow, well maybe it's the acid you are taking but the Internet and "reality" are very different.
And as I have said before I will assume (sorry I mean "conclude) that all you do is whine about shit too.
Of course we haven't taken the time to figure out what your views are, because we have "concluded" that they are shite.
Also, what extreme left? HUHWAH!? There is no extreme Left, only a far-right and moderate right. You are arguing with yourself on many points, continue doing so. It is very amusing.

[Whois]

Uh this is a Discussion Board. We Discuss, now thanks for assuming all we do is complain and whine. I will assume the same about you.

His first post should have been a clue...

[Whois]

"...Besides, if you'd only watch South Park you'd know that Mormons are the only ones to get into heaven. Oh and Saddam Hussein. "


I thought Saddam was Satan's Gay lover in Hell?
(movie)

Yes, but in a later episode of the TV series he get's sent to Heaven...as punishment.

[Ali]

Not everyone was Too Scared to vote Kerry...
He was just a shitty canidate... Word. They shoulda voted for Nader.

[cookiepuss]

Why does the minority always have to complain and cry like a bunch of babies. Why can't they take it like a man and carry on with what they have to do? If you think that the left should have won why don't you try and figure out why they didn't (and "everyone that voted for Bush is an idiot" is not an intelligent answer) and why more people chose Bush so when the next election roles around you will be more prepared? It is like everyone got so upset when Gore lost that they were more concerned with crying about it and talking shit about Bush that they forgot to tell America what they stand for. And no one likes a sore loser. Anyone can place blame and that is all of the democrats have done for 4 years. The only solution that I have heard has been "I have a plan." Well what the fuck is your plan????? Don't get me wrong, I refuse to be right or left and this allows me to make unbiased opinions.

MINORITY? excuse me but about 50% of the people voted bush and about 49% voted Kerry. that means the vote was split. (that is if in your world 50+50 equal 100, like it does in matchmatical instances.) Minority? fuck you.

[Jasonik]

MINORITY? excuse me but about 50% of the people voted bush and about 49% voted Kerry. that means the vote was split. (that is if in your world 50+50 equal 100, like it does in matchmatical instances.) Minority? fuck you.
Minority in the House of Representatives? yup.
Minority in the Senate? yup.
Minority in the White House? yup.

Welcome to reality.

[cookiepuss]

Minority in the House of Representatives? yup.
Minority in the Senate? yup.
Minority in the White House? yup.

Welcome to reality.

Gee thanks but was I talking about the house senate and white house? NO. I'm talking about the goddamn popular vote. Good of you to scew the subject/facts so that it fits in with your argument.

[Jasonik]

Gee thanks but was I talking about the house senate and white house? NO. I'm talking about the goddamn popular vote. Good of you to scew the subject/facts so that it fits in with your argument.
3.5 MILLION VOTES (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/)

Just a bit of rounding will fix that right? :rolleyes:

[Ace42]

3.5 MILLION VOTES (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/president/)

Just a bit of rounding will fix that right? :rolleyes:

3.5 million is not a large amount when you consider that Bush has managed to win some districts in Florida with more than 600% of registered voters.

I think 3.5 million is very small potatoes with a 600% error margin.

[Jasonik]

3.5 million is not a large amount when you consider that Bush has managed to win some districts in Florida with more than 600% of registered voters.

I think 3.5 million is very small potatoes with a 600% error margin.
The margin of victory in Florida is roughly 377,000 not quite 11% of the popular margin. You could ignore the whole state of Florida and still have a 3.1 million popular vote margin.
Statistical sleight of hand may work with most of these angry, frustrated, and defeated Kerry supporters, but the TRUTH is that Bush won the election.

[Ace42]

In a voting precinct in Ohio's Franklin County, records show that 638 people cast ballots. Yet, George W Bush got 4,258 votes to John Kerry's 260. In reality, Bush only received 365 votes. That means Bush got nearly 3,900 extra votes. And that's just in one small precinct. This in a state that Bush officially won by only 136,000 votes. Elections officials blamed electronic voting for the extra Bush votes.

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=37790&highlight=florida+bush

I find it amusing you are using statistics to try to prove you point, when it is quite clear that in numerous precints in numerous counties in numerous states, Bush got MORE VOTES THAN THERE WERE TOTAL VOTERS.

Think about how many that eats out of your 3.7 million.

[sea_dragon]

Kerry would have been not much different than Bush other than, well, his name isn't Bush and his Vice-President didn't work for Halliburton. I'm sure that Halliburton would have given him a job but he was too busy driving the price of medical care out of the atmosphere with frivolous lawsuits.

WTF are you talking about?

And there's plenty Bush plans to do that Kerry wouldn't have done - privatizing Social Security, drilling in ANWR, they certainly wouldn't have nominated the same judges (including a couple to the Supreme Court, probably), tax reform (and Bush has said the idea of a national sales tax "deserves study" - yay!), easing environmental regulations to be more friendly to industry & farmers, opening more public lands to logging and drilling,...

[Ali]

Welcome to reality.WELCOME TO HISTORY!

[cookiepuss]

How many times have we been attacked after 9/11?


NONE.


i guess someone in the white house is doing a good job.



Before someone comes out and gives the same line "well, we go attacked when Bush was in office" let me remind you that we were going to be attacked, regardless of who was was in office at the time.


9/11 was being planned for a long, long time.

or maybe the reason we haven't been attacked again is that 9/11 was about the biggest thing they could pull off. Maybe just maybe they weren't as big of a threat as the bush admin has made them out to be. Bush wants you to be afraid. that's how he's maintaining control. Welcome to the kingdom of fear.

[ASsman]

How many times have we been attacked after 9/11?
That's the same as asking, how many world wars have we had after WWII. Or hell what people were saying before WWII, "There will never be another world war". Idiot. That is a fallacy, and you are an idiot.


i guess someone in the white house is doing a good job.
Or they are busy blowing the shit out of Marines in Iraq. Also, it seems many are already jumping the sinking boat. I suggest you pull a "Colin Powell" and do the same.

Before someone comes out and gives the same line "well, we go attacked when Bush was in office" let me remind you that we were going to be attacked, regardless of who was was in office at the time.
But you just said..
"How many times have we been attacked after 9/11?"
So are you saying your previous argument was null and void? So it doesn't matter whose in office? Or does it? Make up your fucking mind.

9/11 was being planned for a long, long time.
Again you just destroyed your own argument. Thank you for saving me the time.

[what_the_doofus]

Seriously? That Nassau post that got closed made my fucking jaw drop.
Not only is the guy an arrogant, stereotypical piece of shit who voted Bush, but he says that "Any man in the right state of mind would. I am not one to be convinced by movie stars, musicians and shock jocks that I should vote for whom they feel they choose."
Outrageous. I guess half the country.... (only men by the way) were not in the right state of mind on November 2nd. And I guess the three men who are in the band you came to see then complained about were also not.
Fucking genius. What reason would any non-female have for voting Republican in this election anyhow? I would love to hear a few good ones.
Bush voters please secede from the union.

i love me some beasties, but that doesn't mean that i'm just going to absorb their beliefs.

now obviously, the nassau guy is a douchenozzle.

but just because someone is not democrat or has conservative views doesn't make them an idiot or not welcome with the beasties.

First off, have you realized that all that Kerry had to do was be a better candidate than Bush? Given all the people Bush has offended, that should nto be hard to do. Yet, he failed. Dont give me shit about how Ohio was rigged, i mean overall. Fucking John Tesh could run against bush and have more approval. I dont know who else they should have run, but Kerry was just too obviously a puppet for the Democrats. Bush seems like a moron, and always does recently. but at least with some of his dumbass shit he says you know hes doing it for himself.

But it was obvious Kerry was making the same empty promises to appeal to the stereotypical liberal voters (by that I mean the ones that media always portrays going away from conservatives,.) 40% increase in minimum wage? That'll work out nicely. I'll have fun when I can wipe my ass with dollar bills. Ask people in Cleveland. Candidates from all parties come in there telling them "we'll get your jobs back" and it never really happens.

all candidates are shitty. But apparently, if i were to go by the consensus on here, I support bush over kerry because I hate gays, women's rights, and black people. and im probably an anti-semite because i think that palestine should have its land back.

[ASsman]

Skull & Bones.

[Ace42]

How many times have we been attacked after 9/11?
NONE.
i guess someone in the white house is doing a good job.

So I dreamt that Anthrax in the mail thing then?

Before someone comes out and gives the same line "well, we go attacked when Bush was in office" let me remind you that we were going to be attacked, regardless of who was was in office at the time.
9/11 was being planned for a long, long time.

Unless you are claiming to be in with the terrorists and be in regular correspondance with Osama, I suggest you shut the fuck up, because you are making yourself look ignorant by passing off unfounded opinion as fact.

[infidel]

It's estimated there are close to one million voting or paper ballot counting machines in the US.
Looking at it this way a just a little fudging of 3.5 votes per machine would have changed the popular vote.
And no one would notice...

[Jasonik]

Ahh, but you have.... haven't you?

[ASsman]

Damn triple ignore.

[Mac D]

damn there are a lot of morons here. the election is over bush won. give it up liberals. no matter how much whack statistics you bring up it's not going to change. all u do is whine and whine. give it a break. the United States are gonna be just fine the next four years. so quit your bitchin. Bush was a much better candiate than Kerry b/c we knew what he stood for. Just look forward to Barack Obama running for prez in the years to come, even though i may be republican. he'll most likely have my vote. So, changing the subject from whining, what do u all think of obama?

[Jasonik]

damn there are a lot of morons here. the election is over bush won. give it up liberals. no matter how much whack statistics you bring up it's not going to change. all u do is whine and whine. give it a break. the United States are gonna be just fine the next four years. so quit your bitchin. Bush was a much better candiate than Kerry b/c we knew what he stood for. Just look forward to Barack Obama running for prez in the years to come, even though i may be republican. he'll most likely have my vote. So, changing the subject from whining, what do u all think of obama?Fuck you republican.

[Jasonik]

[adam_f]

Getting back on the original topic, the Beastie Boys never really voiced their opinion musically this much until 'To the 5 Boroughs' was released in June. It was the sixth studio album.

That means that from 'License to Ill' in 86 to 'Hello Nasty' in 98, the Beasties released five albums, which created the bulk of the fan base they have today. Not everyone became a fan because they saw the 'Ch-Check It Out' video on MTV whenever they decide to not show the Real World.

And not everyone lives by what celebrities say. Do you think because Robert Redford said he would leave the country if Bush won, I would immediately hate him? Hells no.

And what about Chuck D of Public Enemy? Probably the most political rapper off all-time. I may not agree with what he says, but goddamn that guy is good. That's all that matters.

[ASsman]

damn there are a lot of morons here. the election is over bush won. give it up liberals. no matter how much whack statistics you bring up it's not going to change. all u do is whine and whine. give it a break. the United States are gonna be just fine the next four years. so quit your bitchin. Bush was a much better candiate than Kerry b/c we knew what he stood for. Just look forward to Barack Obama running for prez in the years to come, even though i may be republican. he'll most likely have my vote. So, changing the subject from whining, what do u all think of obama?

Damn, *puts away his "No Bush, shave" posters". Son of a bitch, who forgot to tell me the elections were over? Oh the US is going to be fine for only 4 more years, are you sure we can't change that. Maybe a 3rd term, that way the US will be fine for the next 8. Also you words are very reasuring to me, else I would be building a bomb shelter right now. And yes we knew what Bush stood for, we could only hope about Kerry. And as for voting for Obama, isn't he being called "extremely liberal" by Republicans, maybe even too "liberal". And as for "quitin' ma bitchin' " , yah sure Mussolini. Are you going to tell me to "leave if you don't like it" next?

Also the only reason I don't totally tell you to fuck off adam is because you actually make sense sometimes.

[Jasonik]

ASsman sure is carrying the torch around here.
Flame on ASsman, flame on.

[Ace42]

He can't hear you, you know.

[Jasonik]

I guess I missed all that bragging he does about having me on ignore. :rolleyes:

[Space]

Also the only reason I don't totally tell you to fuck off adam is because you actually make sense sometimes.


Fuck off, go somewhere else, perhaps quote a terrorist.

[Ace42]

What, like Dubbyah?

[ASsman]

Fuck off, go somewhere else, perhaps quote a terrorist.
My feelings are hurt. Also define terrorist... Some US Marines would fall under such a category. Prick.

[American]

Gee thanks but was I talking about the house senate and white house? NO. I'm talking about the goddamn popular vote. Good of you to scew the subject/facts so that it fits in with your argument.
Well if you hate Bush, you should have learned that in the last election, THE POPULAR VOTE DOESN'T MEAN SHIT! Oh, yea, and Bush won this popular vote with more votes than any President in history.

[American]

http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=37790&highlight=florida+bush

I find it amusing you are using statistics to try to prove you point, when it is quite clear that in numerous precints in numerous counties in numerous states, Bush got MORE VOTES THAN THERE WERE TOTAL VOTERS.

Think about how many that eats out of your 3.7 million.
Another award winning and reliable source!

[drobertson420]

Yes, but in a later episode of the TV series he get's sent to Heaven...as punishment.


Missed that one....damn

[wookie]

Can anyone give me the link with the track about the "starting-iraq-fight" which the BBs did 2003 ?

[ASsman]

Another award winning and reliable source!
As reliable as non-corporate media gets. Would you have preferred Fox News.....idiot.

[Mac D]

Assman-

just b/c some republicans say something, every republican goes by that? Don't think so. i used to be independent, but decided im more republican so i call myself republican. Just b/c some other republican says something doesnt mean i totally agree. Alan Keyes is a moron and im glad that Obama raped him in Illinois, and i think he would make a decent president. But since everyone in here is a republican hater, everyone will just read my post and reply with something stupid like "fuck you republican."

[Jasonik]

You're as evil as George W. Bush. I hope terrorists kill you both, then they build an abortion clinic / stem cell research center / gay marriage function hall over your grave. [/sarcasm]

[drobertson420]

And what about Chuck D of Public Enemy? Probably the most political rapper off all-time. I may not agree with what he says, but goddamn that guy is good. That's all that matters.


He's on Air America....But my opinion of P.E. hasn't changed; (y)

[adam_f]

I thought you copied what I said, but now I realzied you quoted me.

Flavor Flav needs to stop doing the cocaine or whatever now. Maybe then we can get a decent P.E. comeback.

[ASsman]

Assman-

just b/c some republicans say something, every republican goes by that? Don't think so. i used to be independent, but decided im more republican so i call myself republican. Just b/c some other republican says something doesnt mean i totally agree. Alan Keyes is a moron and im glad that Obama raped him in Illinois, and i think he would make a decent president. But since everyone in here is a republican hater, everyone will just read my post and reply with something stupid like "fuck you republican."

The thing is, think about it. If you were able to get a straight answer from anyone. Then you would go around asking "republican" voters who they voted for...... What are they going to answer? The majority will say Bush. Just look at it this way, the majority of people in the states are for Bush. Can we agree on that? So can't it not be said the majority of republicans are for Bush. Also the GOP has done and said some shady ass shit. Atleast attempted to, so if you support the republican party you support what they do. Im sure some Nazis were nice, but supporting the party in any which way would still be considered wrong.
I'll find links to the GOP in action if you'd like.

[drobertson420]

I thought you copied what I said, but now I realzied you quoted me.

Flavor Flav needs to stop doing the cocaine or whatever now. Maybe then we can get a decent P.E. comeback.


That would be Noice.

[Mac D]

The thing is, think about it. If you were able to get a straight answer from anyone. Then you would go around asking "republican" voters who they voted for...... What are they going to answer? The majority will say Bush. Just look at it this way, the majority of people in the states are for Bush. Can we agree on that? So can't it not be said the majority of republicans are for Bush. Also the GOP has done and said some shady ass shit. Atleast attempted to, so if you support the republican party you support what they do. Im sure some Nazis were nice, but supporting the party in any which way would still be considered wrong.
I'll find links to the GOP in action if you'd like.

ok. but still dont judge every republican just b/c what some other republicans say. of course when u ask a republican who they voted for thier response will be Bush. I was talking more about the thing u said how some republicans say obama is too liberal to lead. i know a lot of republicans that dont mind him at all. and the GOP link thing, sure if ya post it i will read it. But, the chance of that making me a democrat is unlikely. but hey, at least i would take a look.

[ASsman]

Both parties are bullshit. Allying yourself to one is asking for it.

[Rosie Cotton]

Well if you hate Bush, you should have learned that in the last election, THE POPULAR VOTE DOESN'T MEAN SHIT! Oh, yea, and Bush won this popular vote with more votes than any President in history.

Bush had so many votes because more people voted in this election. If bush had the most, then Kerry was second.

[paulk]

If bush had the most, then Kerry was second.

C3PO: "Sir, it's quite possible this asteroid is not entirely stable."
Han Solo: "Not entirely stable? I'm glad you're here to tell us these things."

[Rosie Cotton]

C3PO: "Sir, it's quite possible this asteroid is not entirely stable."
Han Solo: "Not entirely stable? I'm glad you're here to tell us these things."

"Let the Wookie win."