One less Uncle Tom in the WHITEhouse

[Ace42]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4013621.stm

Everybody's favourite non-white war-criminal is jumping the sinking ship along with a boatload of other rats.

[infidel]

Too bad, Powell was the only sane one over there.
Even then it wasn't by much.

[ASsman]

Cracka ass Cracka.

[Qdrop]

Cracka ass Cracka.

LOL!

[Ace42]

Too bad, Powell was the only sane one over there.
Even then it wasn't by much.

Colon was a lying cheating stinking war-criminal McFuck of the highest calibre. I'd rather have some sort of shark-lion-shitmonster hybrid in a high military position than that fuckfaced basty-cunt-scrote-faced SOB.

[yeahwho]

This exodus of the the inner circle will make for an interesting few months. Powell and Rumsfield never did get along, now I'm sure some sort of sycophant of a whole different dimension will arise and assume the position.

Bush did say he was going to spend his political capital, the CIA (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/11/15/MNGU39RK971.DTL) under Porter Goss is really become quite the nightmare.

Will this is what we get, the people have spoken, they really like a weak economy and a badly run war. I think Ashcroft, Powell et;al see the handwriting on the wall, I'd skidaddle too.

[ASsman]

Tonight on KLOL : Classic Rock Station , Bush is in our Dog House (insert cheap radio sound bit).

[infidel]

Reminds me of rats jumping off a sinking ship

[Ace42]

Would that be because I implied it in the first post on this thread?

[infidel]

Would that be because I implied it in the first post on this thread?
No, sorry, I don't usually read your posts even though we agree on much.
Same shit over and over.

[Ace42]

Same shit, different day.

[Ace42]

Goodbye Uncle Tom, hello Aunt Jemima.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4014961.stm

My prediction came true.

Unless me and the BBC are mistaken, and it is infact the Exxon oil tanker "the Condom-leaser Rice" that got the position...

[D_Raay]

What do you guys make of this? I mean all the figures leaving the white house...
Is there something to it or is it just like they say? "It was so taxing being in hte white house for 4 years it's family time".. Ace I am looking at you.. What do you make of it? I always tend to drift toward the worst possible conclusion and get clouded.

[Ace42]

I dunno. My gut says "rats leaving a sinking ship." "Quit while your ahead" stylee.

Alternatively, they got what they wanted, Iraqi oil, money, fame. They have wielded their power and achieved what they wanted. What is keeping them there? They took the money, and now they are running.

I am just amused that the US feel "so safe" with Condi "won't tell the truth about 9/11 under oath" Rice in charge.

Either way, it's no biggy. The names change, the story remains the same.

[Rosie Cotton]

Yeah, this is really scary. Some bad shit is about to go down.

[Whois]

The kneejerk assholes will see her as a green flag to do whatever the hell they want for the next four year...read'em and weep suckers.

[yeahwho]

Goodbye Uncle Tom, hello Aunt Jemima.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4014961.stm

My prediction came true.

Unless me and the BBC are mistaken, and it is infact the Exxon oil tanker "the Condom-leaser Rice" that got the position...

Of course. However, we still shouldn't ignore the fact that this is a good step forward for black women in American History.

It won't be until a hispanic, bisexual midget who can't help but urinate in mailboxes gets elected will we be able to say that America is the land of the free.

The appointment of a black woman to the country's highest cabinet post...

I would like to think that we as sophisticated people might be able to look beyond Dr. Rice's sex or race, and judge her on her unfettered ability to toe the Bush company line and push their political agenda above what might be best for the country or the world.

[infidel]

Great idea having a woman, whom the Arab world considers non-persons, to be representing our country.

[Jasonik]

Of course. However, we still shouldn't ignore the fact that this is a good step forward for black women in American History.

It won't be until a hispanic, bisexual midget who can't help but urinate in mailboxes gets elected will we be able to say that America is the land of the free.

The appointment of a black woman to the country's highest cabinet post...

I would like to think that we as sophisticated people might be able to look beyond Dr. Rice's sex or race, and judge her on her unfettered ability to toe the Bush company line and push their political agenda above what might be best for the country or the world.
Don't forget to criticize the other thing the Bush administration will do for American blacks; appoint Justice Clarence Thomas to the position of Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

[yeahwho]

Don't forget to criticize the other thing the Bush administration will do for American blacks; appoint Justice Clarence Thomas to the position of Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court.

I would like to think we could get beyond that. Mary Cheney. :D

[yeahwho]

If you like irony, there is plenty around us, look at this tanker article (http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/44863.shtml) and be sure to scroll down for the pic.

[Whois]

"Oh cieca cupidigia e ira folle, che sì ci sproni ne la vita corta, e ne l'etterna poi sì mal c'immolle!" - Dante, Inferno, Canto XII

O blind cupidity and wrath insane, that spurs us onward so in our short life, and in the eternal then so badly steeps us!

[Paul Nice]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4013621.stm

Everybody's favourite non-white war-criminal is jumping the sinking ship along with a boatload of other rats.

The guy is well educated, accomplished, articulate and successful - can't be a "real" black guy, right? They're all slanging rocks and speaking broken english in the pj's. Must be an Uncle Tom.

Good reasoning.

[Jasonik]

If you like irony, there is plenty around us, look at this tanker article (http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2003/02/44863.shtml) and be sure to scroll down for the pic.
And the IRONY is?!

She left oil to join Gov't only to be involved (tangentially) in oil again?
Her ambition and success erased her past success (the tanker named in her honor)?
:confused:

[Ace42]

The guy is well educated, accomplished, articulate and successful

And a perjuror, war-monger and criminal.

Equating civilians and combatants is integral to "The Powell Doctrine" which recommends using overwhelming force on the enemy, regardless of civilian casualties. In his autobiography, Colin Powell discusses the Vietnam War and explains the benefits of destroying the food and homes of villagers who might sympathize with the Viet Cong: "We burned the thatched huts, starting the blaze with Ronson and Zippo lighters . . . Why were we torching houses and destroying crops? Ho Chi Minh had said people were like the sea in which his guerillas swam. We tried to solve the problem by making the whole sea uninhabitable. In the hard logic of war, what difference does it make if you shot your enemy or starved him to death?"

Unmentioned is the moral implication of targeting civilians, or why doing so would make them want to sympathize with the US.

http://www.disinfo.com/archive/pages/article/id2584/pg1/
http://www.counterpunch.org/rooij02062003.html

Google for Powell, and see some of the nefarious shit he has got up to.

- can't be a "real" black guy, right? They're all slanging rocks and speaking broken english in the pj's. Must be an Uncle Tom.

Good reasoning.

"Uncle Toms" are perceived to take the side of whites when there is an injustice against blacks.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_tom

The worst-kept secret among Florida's Republican elites is their dread of the African American vote.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-op-bardach26sep26,0,1405387.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

So, let's see, Colin Powell & Condi legitimises and supports a government which tramples on black people's rights. According to wikipedia's definition, I think that makes him an Uncle Tom.

Clear enough reasoning, asshole?

[ASsman]

Funny how the ignored die down, once facts are presented.

[paulk]

When has our government not been patronizing or oppressive in some way to blacks? So any black person who earns a government paycheck, or ever has, or ever will, is an Uncle Tom.

[Ace42]

Did I say "any black person" ? No. I singled out two people who are complicit in denying black Americans their rights.

[infidel]

One thing really weird about Rice, I've heard it with my own two ears and it's been reported several times, she makes Freudian slips and refers to bush as "my husband".
I could understand it if she was married but Rice has never been married.
Condi worships the ground bush pisses on.

[Ace42]

Fucked Up Shit.

<addendum>

While I was perusing for a clip of this, I found the following:

San Francisco Times' writer Bill Maxwell writes:

Black history is filled with characters, real and fictional, who served the "house of the master" for personal gain and power. In modern times, such service is condemned when the master is seen as the enemy of black people's principles and aspirations.

The Bush administration, as represented by the tactics of Attorney General John Ashcroft, for example, scares many non-Republican blacks. And blacks working for the administration are seen as "house niggers" who are aiding and abetting bad policies. They help give the impression that the administration is racially diverse and that blacks support these bad policies.

"What Colin Powell serves is to give the illusion that the Bush Cabinet is a diverse Cabinet, made up of people of color," Belafonte said. "In fact, none of that is true."

To Belafonte, Powell is not a person of color. He is a house slave who has been ordered to get with the program or go back to the field. In other words, Powell has burnt cork on his face. He has been bamboozled.

http://www.culturekitchen.com/archives/000647.html

Coming back to the topic.

http://www.culturekitchen.com/home/images/boondocks_condi.jpg

[ASsman]

While we are on the subject of unreadable posts.

[Ace42]

Herbert Kornfeld just entered the forum.

[Jasonik]

Let me get his straight....
A black republican in the government is a sellout whitey wannabe uncle tom.
A black democrat in the government is an inspiring hero and a role model.

This is the most racist double standard ever!

[Ace42]

Let me get his straight....
A black republican in the government is a sellout whitey wannabe uncle tom.
A black democrat in the government is an inspiring hero and a role model.

This is the most racist double standard ever!

Where did I say a black democrat in the government is an inspiring hero and role model? And where are the allegations that the democrats have been disenfranchising black voters?

If anything that was one of the worst straw-man posts ever.

You're gonna have to try better, as your insipid posts far outweigh your inspired ones.

[Jasonik]

I'm starting to get it...
Anyone who believes in republican values wrongs blacks by default association?
Anyone who believes in democrat values helps blacks by default association?

So no black can ever be a republican without being an uncle tom?

[ASsman]

If anything that was one of the worst straw-man posts ever.

You're gonna have to try better, as your insipid posts far outweigh your inspired ones.
Join the party.

Jasonik
This message is hidden because Jasonik is on your ignore list.

[Ace42]

I'm starting to get it...
Anyone who believes in republican values wrongs blacks by default association?
Anyone who believes in democrat values helps blacks by default association?

So no black can ever be a republican without being an uncle tom?

Are you trying to be stupid? Or do you just have some deep seated internal bias where the only way you can perceive arguments you dislike is by misrepresenting them unti you are able to ridicule them?

How can Colin and Condi POSSIBLY be construed as "anyone who believes in Republican values" - last I checked they were two very specific individuals who have a major part in setting the Republican agenda. An agenda which clearly denies a large number of predominantly black people their constitutional rights.

These aren't a couple of middle-class black people who want to protect their meagre income from being spread out to help those less fortunate. (Although, this in itself is a fallacy. We all know how unfair Bush's tax cuts are I hope) Or objecting to Kerry's stance on stem-cell research.

[Jasonik]

two very specific individuals who have a major part in setting the Republican agenda. An agenda which clearly denies a large number of predominantly black people their constitutional rights.
So you have a beef with just them personally and use racist disparaging language against them because they are black.

The 'clearly denies...constitutional rights' part is a bit vague, are you referring to alleged or proven complicity in such constitutional rights being denied?


*edit*
In case you post some serious shit that shows how evil those 'uncle toms' are, I'm now leaving the office, so you won't've 'shut me up with facts', at least not until the morning.

[Ace42]

So you have a beef with just them personally and use racist disparaging language against them because they are black.

The 'clearly denies...constitutional rights' part is a bit vague, are you referring to alleged or proven complicity in such constitutional rights being denied?

Proven complicity. Black voters were illegally disbarred in Florida. Remember the "felon purge" ? The right to vote is enshrined in the US constitution, IIRC.

And I have a beef with them personally, and I used disparaging language, because such reprehensible people deserve to be disparaged.

"com·plic·it Audio pronunciation of "complicit" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (km-plst)
adj.

Associated with or participating in a questionable act or a crime; having complicity"

Not only do I think they some level participated in this crime, but they are certainly "associated with" - simply by virtue of being two of the most notable beneficiaries of said crime.

The phrase "Uncle Tom" is not racist because it is not:
rac·ism Audio pronunciation of "racist" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

No-one thinks all black people are "Uncle Toms" - and thus it cannot be a descrimination based on race. By the very sense of the phrase, there must be some "non-Uncle Toms" otherwise the phrase would be superflous.

Also, the fact is that "Uncle Tom" is traditionally a "black on black" slur. This would suggest self-evidently that it cannot be a racial-slur, even if it is concerned directly with race-relations.

Even your total misrepresentation of my statement ...

I'm starting to get it...
Anyone who believes in republican values wrongs blacks by default association?
Anyone who believes in democrat values helps blacks by default association?

... Shows that you believed (wrongly, I hope I have illustrated) I was descriminating based on political affiliation, not race. So now throwing the term "racism" back in the mix is totally irrational. You can't have it both ways.

Both Condi and Powell are black people, who have directly benefitted from and work for, a system which has systematically disenfranchised voters.

Trying to get caught up in the PC rhetoric is beside the point. The term might be offensive, but so are their actions.

There should be no more debate on the matter than that.

[Ace42]

Do you also post in English?

[Jasonik]

*Disregard the above edit*

Uncle tom is a racist term because it can only be applied to a black person.

a designation or different treatment of a person based on race = racism
it does not have to be discriminatory. Purely speaking affirmative action, or 'race based' policies are RACIST, they treat people of different races differently.

I don't think you are a bigot, but you are well spoken enough not to get mixed up in stuff like this.

Some states don't allow convicted felons to vote. The right to vote is given (and taken away) by the states themselves. While one can observe both Rice and Powell benefitted from the Florida win, I still don't see how they, by "setting the republican agenda" caused this chicanery in Florida.

good night.

[Ace42]

*Disregard the above edit*
Uncle tom is a racist term because it can only be applied to a black person.


The term "black" can only be applied to a black person. Merely having a seperate naming distinction for someone does not mean you treat them differently. A white person who acts in the same manner will not be an "Uncle Tom" but that doesn't mean they would be *treated any better* for having an agenda that is detrimental or disengranchising to black people.

You might as well say me calling Condi "Aunt Jemima" was sexist, and I should've called her Uncle Tom in the interests of gender parity.

[ASsman]

Where did ya learn ta speak english? New Jersey? what the fuck sup now?

http://www.joel.net/EBONICS/translator.asp

[D_Raay]

Do you fancy working for a company that has a little more than 500 employees and has the following statistics?:

* 29 have been accused of spousal abuse
* 7 have been arrested for fraud
* 19 have been accused of writing bad checks
* 117 have directly or indirectly bankrupted at least 2 businesses
* 3 have done time for assault
* 71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
* 14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
* 8 have been arrested for shoplifting
* 21 are currently defendants in lawsuits
* 84 have been arrested for drunk driving in the last year ...


Can you guess which organization this is?

Given up yet?





It's the 535 members of the United States Congress. The same group that cranks out hundreds of new laws each year designed to keep the rest of us in line.

[yeahwho]

And the IRONY is?!

She left oil to join Gov't only to be involved (tangentially) in oil again?
Her ambition and success erased her past success (the tanker named in her honor)?
:confused:

I forgot, Irony doesn't exsist in the Bush administration. That word has been struck form the NeoCon dictionary and replaced with, "compassionate conservatism".

[drobertson420]

Goodbye Uncle Tom, hello Aunt Jemima.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4014961.stm

My prediction came true.

Unless me and the BBC are mistaken, and it is infact the Exxon oil tanker "the Condom-leaser Rice" that got the position...

She's Just buying time until she gets her Dream Job.....NFL Commisioner.



Before she was National Security Advisor, Condoleeza Rice was a provost and a professor at Stanford University. She has said before that she'd like to be commissioner of the NFL.
:D

[Jasonik]

I forgot, Irony doesn't exsist in the Bush administration. That word has been struck form the NeoCon dictionary and replaced with, "compassionate conservatism".
Irony is when you use the word irony and the word dictionary in the same remark. You might be clever if you understood the language.

[infidel]

The real proof is;
The Democratic party controlled the south for a hundred years until the Civil Rights Act was passed in the '60s, since then it's been Republican.

[yeahwho]

Irony is when you use the word irony and the word dictionary in the same remark. You might be clever if you understood the language.

"I believe the PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing) said 'Bin Laden Determinded to Strike in US'"
- Condi Rice, to the 9/11 Commission

She never did her job right as National Security Advisor... why the hell would any logical person appoint her with more duties?

How I wish that question were relevant to the situation at hand.

[ASsman]

I wan't to see Condi Porn. SECRETARY OFLOVE!

[infidel]

So that's were Kindasleezy got the gaping jaw, from Cheney's humongous penis.

[drobertson420]

I wan't to see Condi Porn. SECRETARY OFLOVE!


Get Cheney to do it......He's got the horse-cack :D

oops didn't see the post above...^^^