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Whois
11-15-2004, 01:20 PM
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/breaking/111204ashcroft.html

Nov. 12, 2004
Ashcroft says judges threaten national security by questioning Bush decisions

The Associated Press

WASHINGTON - Federal judges are jeopardizing national security by issuing rulings contradictory to President Bush's decisions on America's obligations under international treaties and agreements, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Friday.
In his first remarks since his resignation was announced Tuesday, Ashcroft forcefully denounced what he called "a profoundly disturbing trend" among some judges to interfere in the president's constitutional authority to make decisions during war.

"The danger I see here is that intrusive judicial oversight and second-guessing of presidential determinations in these critical areas can put at risk the very security of our nation in a time of war," Ashcroft said in a speech to the Federalist Society, a conservative lawyers' group.

The Justice Department announced this week it would seek to overturn a ruling by U.S. District Judge James Robertson in the case of Salim Ahmed Hamdan, who the government contends was Osama bin Laden's driver.

Robertson halted Hamdan's trial by military commission in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, rejecting the Bush administration's position that the Geneva Conventions governing prisoners of war do not apply to al-Qaida members because they are not soldiers of a true state and do not fight by international norms.

Without mentioning that case specifically, Ashcroft criticized rulings he said found "expansive private rights in treaties where they never existed" that run counter to the broad discretionary powers given the president by the Constitution.

"Courts are not equipped to execute the law. They are not accountable to the people," Ashcroft said.

During his successful re-election campaign, Bush repeatedly promised to appoint judges who would adhere to strict interpretations of the Constitution. In addition to numerous lower courts, Bush is likely to appoint at least one and perhaps several justices to the Supreme Court during the next four years.

The administration lost a crucial legal battle this year when a divided Supreme Court determined the president lacks the authority to hold terror suspects classified as enemy combatants indefinitely with no access to lawyers or the ability to challenge their detention.

Ashcroft intends to remain as attorney general until his nominated successor, Alberto Gonzales, is confirmed by the Senate.

D_Raay
11-15-2004, 01:21 PM
Zieg Heil!

ASsman
11-15-2004, 01:25 PM
Sons of bitches! If you aren't willing to piss on the Constitution for freedom, maybe you just aren't ready.. CRY BABY!

Ali
11-15-2004, 04:03 PM
the president's constitutional authority to make decisions during war...and there's the Rub. As long as there's war, Bush will be popular. As long as there's Bush, there will be war.

A vote for Bush was a vote for war. Hope you're happy with that. If you are, then why the fuck are you not in Eye Rack?!?

catatonic
11-15-2004, 04:42 PM
So Bush wants to appoint judges that strictly interpret the Constitution, especially over the Iraq war.

Too bad the war in Iraq is Unconstitutional, since the President went into Iraq without the approval of Congress. Why don't they interpret that?

Whois
11-15-2004, 04:50 PM
So Bush wants to appoint judges that strictly interpret the Constitution, especially over the Iraq war.

Too bad the war in Iraq is Unconstitutional, since the President went into Iraq without the approval of Congress. Why don't they interpret that?

Actually Congress approved use of force, but didn't declare war.

Fun huh...

Ace42
11-16-2004, 12:22 AM
They did, THIS time...

http://www.deoxy.org/wc/warcrim2.htm#11

However, the war in Iraq *is* unconstitutional, simply because it is against the UN charter, which is enshrined by the US constitution.

paulk
11-16-2004, 01:05 AM
However, the war in Iraq *is* unconstitutional, simply because it is against the UN charter, which is enshrined by the US constitution.

Please elaborate.

Ace42
11-16-2004, 01:20 AM
Please elaborate.

See, this is why Infidel thinks I repeat myself a lot. Because I do. But, because you asked so nicely, I'll be glad to repeat myself just for you.

The following is referring to the previous war, but still holds true:

The most interesting feature of the debate over the Iraq crisis is that it never took place. True, many words flowed, and there was dispute about how to proceed. But discussion kept within rigid bounds that excluded the obvious answer: the U.S. and UK should act in accord with their laws and treaty obligations.

The relevant legal framework is formulated in the Charter of the United Nations, a "solemn treaty" recognized as the foundation of international law and world order, and under the U.S. Constitution, "the supreme law of the land."

The Constitution does happen to provide such mechanisms, namely, by declaring valid treaties "the supreme law of the land," particularly the most fundamental of them, the UN Charter. It further authorizes Congress to "define and punish...offenses against the law of nations," undergirded by the Charter in the contemporary era. It is, furthermore, a bit of an understatement to say that other nations "have not assigned Washington the right"; they have forcefully denied it that right, following the (at least rhetorical) lead of Washington, which largely crafted the Charter.

http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9804-rogue.html

Article 6 Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

http://www.house.gov/Constitution/Constitution.html

The UN charter, which was "largely crafted by Washington" and has been fully ratified and supported by the US government would certainly be considered a valid "treaty" and is thus "The Supreme Law of the Land" as protected by the constitution.

I thank you, ladies and gentlemen.