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bigkidpants
11-17-2004, 01:40 PM
i never questioned john kerry's actions in vietnam until i saw recently how he responded after "reporting for duty" at the democratic convention. there is no longer any question whether the election was stolen by the republicans. it is verified fact. and yet, kerry's lawyers seem to be working not to overturn the election, but verify that bush won fair and square. he said he'd fight, but when the going got tough, he rolled right over.

what are you going to tell me, that he conceded for the good of the nation and the possibility that he could run again? what about fighting massive voter fraud and overt intimidation at the polls for the good of the nation?! why not use the unspent $50 million in his campaign to fund the recounts. is it maybe because he gets to keep that unspent campaign money?

the irony is that i had to sit and listen to people over and over tell me how voting for a third party was a waste of my vote, but if all the young people, the real liberals and free-thinkers of this country had come out and supported nader or budnarik or the green party guy that would have sent a statement (like when you showed up and supported howard dean before he was politically assassinated by the dnc). now it's clear where the wasted votes went: john f. kerry. liche ta mere.


November 17, 2004

Columbus, Ohio---Hour after hour the testimonies are the same: angry Ohioans telling of vicious Republican manipulation and de facto intimidation that disenfranchised tens of thousands and probably cost the Democrats the election.

At an African-American church on Saturday and then at the Franklin County Courthouse Monday night, more than 700 people came to testify and witness to tales of the atrocity that was the November 2 election.

The principle overt method of vote suppression was to short-change inner city precincts of sufficient voting machines to allow a timely balloting. In precinct after precinct, virtually all of them predominantly black, poor, young and Democratic, the lines stretched for two, five, eight, even eleven hours. The elderly and infirm were forced to stand in the rain while city officials threatened to tow their cars. No chairs or shelter were provided. Crucial signage was mysteriously missing. Thousands came to vote, saw the long lines and left.

How many thousands? Enough to turn the election? Almost definitely.

None of this was accidental. This was a well-planned GOP attack on the right to vote, and on Democratic candidacies. Republican Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell was also co-chair of the Ohio campaign for Bush. A right-wing Republican was in charge of the Franklin County Board of Elections.

They all said the election went "smoothly." By their standards they were right. At least 68 voting machines sat in a warehouse while precinct managers called desperately for help. Republican precinct judges and challengers harassed would-be voters. The names of long-time activists mysteriously disappeared from registration lists. The arsenal of dirty tricks was virtually endless.

Whois
11-17-2004, 01:45 PM
the irony is that i had to sit and listen to people over and over tell me how voting for a third party was a waste of my vote, but if all the young people, the real liberals and free-thinkers of this country had come out and supported nader or budnarik or the green party guy that would have sent a statement (like when you showed up and supported howard dean before he was politically assassinated by the dnc). now it's clear where the wasted votes went: john f. kerry. liche ta mere.

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infidel
11-17-2004, 01:53 PM
Conceding the election doesn't set it in stone. I think the Democratic plan is to let third parties and non-partisan groups do the investigation till things are proven. In this way the reps can't argue sore loser and whatever else they may come up with. Don't worry the investigation continues, it may not change the result of the election but will hopefully prevent any more attempts at election manipulation.

Interesting developments in Florida yesterday scroll down to TUESDAY NOV 16 2004: at http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

bigkidpants
11-17-2004, 02:00 PM
i'm so glad you make that point, infidel. because my point of making this thread is to have a place to say 'i told you so' when john kerry doesn't do a damned thing toward preventing the electors voting for bush or to get himself inaugurated.

or this could be a place for people to collectively throw pies at my face if i'm wrong, we'll see.

Jasonik
11-17-2004, 02:42 PM
If Kerry can't stand up to election fraud, how can he stand up to Al Qaeda (or a Republican Congress)?

Blighty
11-17-2004, 04:26 PM
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