PDA

View Full Version : Abuse of Women in Pakistan


DroppinScience
11-19-2004, 12:26 PM
This morning my alarm rang off and it's the radio (tuned to my college station). Anyways, the BBC World Service was playing and there was this piece about the widespread abuse of women and how nothing is done about it. Any sexual abuse that happens, anyone who dares speak out, they get blamed for it because they were wearing something "too tempting" or other such "blame the victim" bullshit. Women who get abused are very reluctant to speak out and when they do talk about it, they're pretty submissive like "oh, that's just how men are, it'll never change" type of talk.

One case in particular they talked about horrified me. This woman was taking a walk with another one of her girlfriends and she met up with some guy she never met before. She was a tad suspicious of him, but her friend assured her everything was fine. So they continued walking and they led her to some deserted street. Before she could run away, she was knocked unconscious. When she came to, she awoke up to some darkened room. She yelled and screamed for help, but it was all for naught. Three men came in and every night one of them would rape her repeatedly. She was kept there for about a month before they deserted her and she finally got to escape.

When she came back home, she tried to tell people what happened and they wouldn't believe her. They said, she had run away from home and she had gotten herself in trouble and above all, it was HER that brought shame to her family.

What a sack of horseshit. This shit just makes my blood boil. Apparently it's mostly in the rural communities. The big cities it's a lesser problem but it's BIG in small-town Pakistan since they're less educated, the report said.

Here's some links I found. Enough to make you sick. :mad:

-------------------------------

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4017441.stm

Pakistan's taboo on sex abuse
By Nadia Asjad
BBC reporter, Islamabad

A group of Lahore women factory workers complain they are greeted each morning by their bus driver unzipping his trousers.

A university student in Islamabad, Saira, recalls one of her professors: "He would pat our backs, touch our hands whenever possible and stare at us suggestively."

And a woman from Pakistan's most conservative region, North-West Frontier Province (NWFP), discovers that her husband molested her son's wife: "When we all protested, he divorced me and threw me out of his house," she said.

It is clear that sexual harassment is a widespread problem across the country.


Ignored

Ranging from "Eve teasing" - as sexual taunting is often referred to in South Asia - to disturbing numbers of gang rapes, sexual harassment is affecting women in villages and cities alike.

Even women in politics face sexual harassment

Yet the problem has been ignored by society in general and by the government.

Even women themselves have said little in the face of a social value system that makes it difficult to speak out.

The Karachi-based organisation Lawyers for Human Rights and Legal Aid (LHRLA) raises awareness and provides legal aid to women victims of sexual harassment.

LHRLA president Zia Ahmed Awan says that even educated women in Pakistan do not understand what harassment is.

"Sexual harassment does not just mean an act of physical offence. It starts from any gesture, stares or remarks that make women feel insecure and uncomfortable - while rape, molestation, incest etcetera remain the most severe forms of sexual harassment," he says.

Sexual stares

Among the most common forms of harassment in Pakistan are the discomforting gazes that follow a woman wherever she goes, as soon as she sets foot outside her home.


Malka Khan is involved in combating harassment in Karachi
They are so common that many women do not even consider them an abuse.

"I often advise girls and women to start wearing sunglasses in public in order to avoid eye-contact with males who stare at them and make them feel uncomfortable," says Zia Awan.

And the unwelcome male attention also extends to the workplace.

Women employees in a range of organisations in the cities tell tales of bosses and colleagues making unjustified demands.

One woman working in a multinational company in Islamabad told me that her boss was pressing her to go on a date with him.

In return, she says, he is offering her not only a salary rise, but a promotion as well.

Suffering in silence

Incidents of harassment and molestation are being reported at workplaces, public venues and universities from all over the country, according to the Human Rights Commission of Pakistan.

Sexual harassment is a problem in both villages and cities

Its figures show that this year between January and August, 175 women including 24 minors were gang raped and 225 were raped, of which 38 were minors.

Ten women were stripped naked publicly - a practice sometimes used to punish women considered to have brought shame on their communities.

These are the forms of extreme sexual abuse. Most cases of sexual harassment go unreported - but some figures suggest cases are increasing.

For example, in 2002, 12 women were stripped in public places - in 2003, the number rose to 40.

Combating the problem is difficult. Women don't want to discuss these issues. They prefer to suffer in silence.

Like the woman from NWFP, thrown out by her husband for protesting when he molested a relative, they fear that if they speak up, they will take the blame and lose face in society.

ASsman
11-19-2004, 04:47 PM
Damn towel heads.

DroppinScience
11-20-2004, 01:00 AM
Damn towel heads.

But seriously, this shit sucks.

I'm not using this as a "Muslims suck" or "The West needs to bomb the fuck out of Pakistani children because the women get gang raped" argument.

I'm just pointing out some blatantly sick atrocities. Injustice is injustice. Just because it's not Americans committing the crimes this time around, doesn't give these actions a pass or a blind eye for that matter.

Serious discussion here: why is this stuff allowed to go on and why are the women just taking it? :(

American
11-20-2004, 01:22 AM
But seriously, this shit sucks.
Couldn't agree more.

I'm just pointing out some blatantly sick atrocities. Injustice is injustice.
Couldn't agree more.

Just because it's not Americans committing the crimes this time around, doesn't give these actions a pass or a blind eye for that matter.
Now where yould the fun be in that for all of the Ace42s in the world. If America is not to blame then it is not a problem. Actually it is just fine and there is nothing wrong with it, right Ace? Let me use a word that Ace loves. There is nothing "illegal" about it, the war in Iraq is what is "illegal". Therefore it has no "merit". In turn, we should not discuss it because it has nothing to do with America's Middle East policy and all of those poor Iraqis. You know, Iraqi extremist with machine guns really ARE more important than innocent Pakastani women!

Serious discussion here: why is this stuff allowed to go on and why are the women just taking it? :(
These horrible acts have been going on since the beginning of time almost. I would imagine if someone could figure out why this stuff has been and continues to be allowed we could figure out how to stop it. I find it sad that all of the attention goes to other issues such as the war in Iraq rather than issues such as these. Maybe if we could get people to pay more attention to this, we could find a solution. I feel that finding a solution to this abuse of women could lead to solutions to abuse of all humans. Unfortunately you can not include George Bush and U.S. Policy in possible causes so it will not get any attention for at least 4 more years.
As far as why the women take it, what choice do they have. If they get fed up and kill someone trying to attack them, the will not be believed and will be considered murderers. If people do not belive them when they return, brused, battered, and on the verge of death, they certainly won't belive them when they kill someone. The only thing I could see happening is by a few brave women sacrficing their lives, they would start to instill fear in those who committ these horrible crimes. It would be nice if there was a better solution.
You know, it doesn't happen nearly as much here in America. Hell, you can't even tell a woman she looks nice at work anymore. Maybe if our government continues it's mission to turn the rest of the world in to America, it will help stop some of it.

Rosie Cotton
11-20-2004, 01:35 AM
I'm just pointing out some blatantly sick atrocities. Injustice is injustice. Just because it's not Americans committing the crimes this time around, doesn't give these actions a pass or a blind eye for that matter.

Whoa, hold on. Trust me, it does happen here. Most of the examples given have happened to me, on a fairly regular basis.

DroppinScience
11-20-2004, 01:40 AM
Whoa, hold on. Trust me, it does happen here. Most of the examples given have happened to me, on a fairly regular basis.

Never said sexual abuse doesn't occur in America.

However, I'm pointing out specific cases in PAKISTAN. And this stuff happens at a much larger volume and many worse cases (who knows what else goes on, this is only discussing the reported cases).

I don't doubt you've received some of the more minor offenses (such as "the stare"), something tells me you weren't kept in a room and raped for a month by three men.

Not to mention, at the very least you have people to turn to and authorities who will listen to you if you fall victim to a rape. In Pakistan, there's nobody to turn to.

DroppinScience
11-20-2004, 01:43 AM
Whoops. Ignore this one.

American
11-20-2004, 01:44 AM
Whoa, hold on. Trust me, it does happen here. Most of the examples given have happened to me, on a fairly regular basis.
I'm pretty sure that he is speaking of Pakastan. And I don't think that it was Americans doing this to Pakastani women. America is no where near as bad. Sure it is far from perfect here but you have to admit, sexual discrimination is a big deal here. I could get fired for telling a co-worker that her dress looks nice. These people over there are getting away with rape and torture. Sure some people get away with rape here but most do not.

Rosie Cotton
11-20-2004, 01:53 AM
I don't doubt you've received some of the more minor offenses (such as "the stare"), something tells me you weren't kept in a room and raped for a month by three men.
Yeah, never been held captive and raped, but it has gone farther than the stare. I've been to a few concerts where groups of guys just decided that I could do without my shirt. And it's not like this was just a one time thing. I don't care what culture we're talking about, being surrounded by four or five guys that are violently trying to remove your clothes is a terrifying experience. Or going to a movie with a friend, when some old man walks up and just decides to grab a handful of boob. I'm sure it is more of a problem in the Middle East, but it happens here more often than you would think.

DroppinScience
11-20-2004, 01:59 AM
Yeah, never been held captive and raped, but it has gone farther than the stare. I've been to a few concerts where groups of guys just decided that I could do without my shirt. And it's not like this was just a one time thing. I don't care what culture we're talking about, being surrounded by four or five guys that are violently trying to remove your clothes is a terrifying experience. Or going to a movie with a friend, when some old man walks up and just decides to grab a handful of boob. I'm sure it is more of a problem in the Middle East, but it happens here more often than you would think.

Genuinely sorry to hear that (I coulda tried to stop those guys at the concert, but I probably woulda been pummeled in their own mosh pit ;)), but let me clear things up: my "just cause Americans aren't committing the crimes" remarks refers to the fact that Pakistani women suffered at the hands of their fellow Pakistanis, not because of American troops or any other U.S. nationals over there.

Just pointing exposure to an injustice happening in another area of the world is all. In this context, your own cases (as well as others in America) are beside the point in this thread.

Rosie Cotton
11-20-2004, 02:06 AM
Genuinely sorry to hear that (I coulda tried to stop those guys at the concert, but I probably woulda been pummeled in their own mosh pit ;)),
Aww, that's kinda sweet, though since then I have perfected my right hook. (y)

but let me clear things up: my "just cause Americans aren't committing the crimes" remarks refers to the fact that Pakistani women suffered at the hands of their fellow Pakistanis, not because of American troops or any other U.S. nationals over there.
Alright, glad to have that cleared up.

American
11-20-2004, 02:07 AM
Genuinely sorry to hear that (I coulda tried to stop those guys at the concert, but I probably woulda been pummeled in their own mosh pit ;)), but let me clear things up: my "just cause Americans aren't committing the crimes" remarks refers to the fact that Pakistani women suffered at the hands of their fellow Pakistanis, not because of American troops or any other U.S. nationals over there.

Just pointing exposure to an injustice happening in another area of the world is all. In this context, your own cases (as well as others in America) are beside the point in this thread.
Great job explaining what your original point was. This is a touchy subject to bring up, but I see your point loud and clear. I have a 20 year old sister and that is enough to make me jump in the middle of 5 guys trying to take any unwilling girl's shirt off. They could kick my ass if they could (i'm of good size) but I would rather them be kicking my ass rather than violating an innocent female.

Funkaloyd
11-20-2004, 02:11 AM
Just because it's not Americans committing the crimes this time around

http://pssht.com/sitebuilder/images/musharraf_bush-211x166.jpg

American
11-20-2004, 02:17 AM
http://pssht.com/sitebuilder/images/musharraf_bush-211x166.jpg
For a minute I thought that was Bush shaking someone's hand but after further review, I realized it was indeed a woman and Bush was kicking the shit out of her and ass raping her.

DroppinScience
11-20-2004, 02:24 AM
http://pssht.com/sitebuilder/images/musharraf_bush-211x166.jpg

Touche, BUT I don't think Musharraf (sp?) and Bush figure into the equation this time around (not that I'm defending either in anyway). We're dealing with harrasments (from small to huge) being ignored rampantly within the Pakistani populace (as well as, even more shockingly, the families of these women in question). I think this is the product of how the society in Pakistan has formed and I don't think it can be tied to any one leader(s). Besides, this seems to have more to do with the local authorities.

If Pakistan's first woman prime minister was in power today (forget her name at the moment), these cases still would have happened.

If you can show me something of Mr. M deliberately doing nothing about this problem or anything that shows the connection of Musharraf and these Pakistani women, bring 'em on. Otherwise, the connections are tenuous.

Rosie Cotton
11-20-2004, 02:29 AM
I'm sure that the Pakistani culture has alot to do with it, but most sexual abuse is about power. The abuser feels threatened in some way by the abusee. Of course, sometimes the abuser is just a sick fuck who gets some perverse pleasure from it.

Funkaloyd
11-20-2004, 02:47 AM
DS, you're right, though Musharraf and Bush both have very weak general human rights records.

Anyway, here are some good links from Human Rights Watch:

http://hrw.org/press/2002/07/pakistan0725.htm
http://www.hrw.org/reports/1999/pakistan/
http://hrw.org/press/2002/07/pak0712.htm