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infidel
11-22-2004, 11:57 PM
Duh, it's about time

Hawks Push Deep Cuts in Forces in Iraq
By Bryan Bender
The Boston Globe

Monday 22 November 2004

Washington - A growing number of national security specialists who supported the toppling of Saddam Hussein are moving to a position unthinkable even a few months ago: that the large US military presence is impeding stability as much as contributing to it and that the United States should begin major reductions in troops beginning early next year.

Their assessments, expressed in reports, think tank meetings, and interviews, run counter to the Bush administration's insistence that the troops will remain indefinitely to establish security. But some contend that the growing support for an earlier pullout could alter the administration's thinking.

Those arguing for immediate troop reductions include key Pentagon advisers, prominent neoconservatives, and some of the fiercest supporters of the Iraq invasion among Washington's policy elite.

The core of their arguments is that even as the US-led coalition goes on the offensive against the insurgency, the United States, by its very presence, is stimulating the resistance.

"Our large, direct presence has fueled the Iraqi insurgency as much as it has suppressed it," said Michael Vickers, a conservative-leaning Pentagon consultant and longtime senior CIA official who supported the war.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/11/22/hawks_push_deep_cuts_in_forces_in_iraq/

Ali
11-23-2004, 06:43 AM
Duh, it's about time

Hawks Push Deep Cuts in Forces in Iraq
By Bryan Bender
The Boston Globe

Monday 22 November 2004

Washington - A growing number of national security specialists who supported the toppling of Saddam Hussein are moving to a position unthinkable even a few months ago: that the large US military presence is impeding stability as much as contributing to it and that the United States should begin major reductions in troops beginning early next year.

Their assessments, expressed in reports, think tank meetings, and interviews, run counter to the Bush administration's insistence that the troops will remain indefinitely to establish security. But some contend that the growing support for an earlier pullout could alter the administration's thinking.

Those arguing for immediate troop reductions include key Pentagon advisers, prominent neoconservatives, and some of the fiercest supporters of the Iraq invasion among Washington's policy elite.

The core of their arguments is that even as the US-led coalition goes on the offensive against the insurgency, the United States, by its very presence, is stimulating the resistance.

"Our large, direct presence has fueled the Iraqi insurgency as much as it has suppressed it," said Michael Vickers, a conservative-leaning Pentagon consultant and longtime senior CIA official who supported the war.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2004/11/22/hawks_push_deep_cuts_in_forces_in_iraq/

Yankee GO HOME!

Whois
11-23-2004, 12:00 PM
Yankee GO HOME!

The problem is we've expanded our home to include the entire world.

Echewta
11-23-2004, 12:09 PM
I blame France.

bigkidpants
11-23-2004, 02:27 PM
"Our large, direct presence has fueled the Iraqi insurgency as much as it has suppressed it," said Michael Vickers, a conservative-leaning Pentagon consultant and longtime senior CIA official who supported the war.

don't fall fall for this bullshit! they've known this for months -- it's not some new revelation. the withdrawl will coincide with the elections scheduled in january just as planned. they won't remove all the troops, they'll just be mostly done with their nepalming of civilians by then.

Whois
11-23-2004, 02:38 PM
don't fall fall for this bullshit! they've known this for months -- it's not some new revelation. the withdrawl will coincide with the elections scheduled in january just as planned. they won't remove all the troops, they'll just be mostly done with their nepalming of civilians by then.

Sorry, the new term is "freedom gelling of civilians".

ASsman
11-23-2004, 04:42 PM
Actually what I think is.

McCain: 50,000 More Troops Needed In Iraq
The Washington Post is reporting senior military commanders in Iraq are now saying it is increasingly likely they will need more troops to fight the spreading Iraqi resistance. The Post cites commanders who say an additional 5,000 troops is needed especially in the lead-up to the elections now scheduled for Jan. 30. But Senator John McCain has estimated that the total number of troops needed may be as high 50,000.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/22/1425217