This one's for you Racer

[D_Raay]

It's a bit depressing when I notice the unequal treatment afforded the media to UFO believers on the one hand , and on the other, to those who believe in the invisible man in the sky. Especially to the whole Jesus-Messiah-Son-of-God fable.

You may have noticed that Ufo believers are often referred to as buffs , a term used to minimalize and marginalize them by relegating them to the ranks of mere hobbyists and enthusiasts.

Then there are those who believe in an eternal, all-powerful being, a being who demands to be loved and adored unconditionally and who punishes and rewards according to his whims are thought to be worthy, upright, credible people. This, in spite of the large numbers of believers who are clearly close-minded fanatics.

To my way of thinking, there is every bit as much evidence for the existence of UFO's as there is for the existence of God. Probably far more. At least in the case of UFO's there have been countless taped and filmed-- and by the way, unexplained-- sightings from all over the world, along with documented radar evidence seen by by experienced military and civilian radar operators.

All of these accounts are ignored by the media.

Granted, the world of UFO believers has it's share of kooks, nuts, and fringe people, but have you ever listened to some of these religious true-believers?
Could any of them be considered kooks or nuts? A fair person would say yes.

But the marginal people in these two groups don't matter in this argument. What matters is the prejudice and superstition built into the media coverage of the two sets of beliefs. One is treated reverently and accepted as received truth, the other is treated laughingly and dismissed out of hand.

As evidence of the above premise. I offer one version of a typical television news story heard each year on the final Friday of Lent:

"Today is Good Friday, observed by christians worldwide as a day that commemorates the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, the Son of God, whose death redeems the sins of mankind."

Here is the way it should be written:

"Today is Good Friday, observed worldwide by Jesus buffs as the day on which the popular, bearded cultural figure, sometimes referred to as the Messiah, was allegedly crucified and--according to legend-- died for mankind's so-called sins. Today kicks off "holy" weekend that culminates with Easter Sunday, when, it is widely believed, this dead "savior" -who also, by the way, claimed to be the son of a sky-dwelling, invisible being known as God- mysteriously "rose from the dead."

"According to legend, by volunteering to be killed and actually goingthrough with it, Jesus saved every person who has ever lived--and ever will live--from an eternity of suffering in a fiery region popularly known as hell, providing-so the story goes- that the person to be saved firmly believes this rather fanciful tale."
That would be a good example of unbiased news reporting. Don't wait around for it to happen. The aliens will land first.

[drobertson420]

Ezekiel saw the wheel......
http://ingeb.org/spiritua/ezekiels.html

[drobertson420]

UFO....

[racer5.0stang]

I guess I should feel honored that you posted a thread just for me.

You did not list any of the sightings of angels that people have seen all over the world.

Galations 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

Proverbs 16:25
There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

[racer5.0stang]

Hey did you hear about the virgin mary's face being discovered on the piece of toast?

I guess the imagination of man knows no bounds.

[Schmeltz]

No kidding, he even invented a God to account for his own existence.

[racer5.0stang]

No kidding, he even invented a God to account for his own existence.
Technically, he invented (created) me. And everything and everyone else for that matter.

[Schmeltz]

Prove it.

[Ace42]

Technically, he invented (created) me. And everything and everyone else for that matter.

Unless you are wrong. Again.

[racer5.0stang]

Unless you are wrong. Again.

Ace, hows it goin? Did you have a good Thanksgiving?

[Ace42]

Ace, hows it goin? Did you have a good Thanksgiving?

I didn't have any thanksgiving. I'm not American.

[racer5.0stang]

I didn't have any thanksgiving. I'm not American.

I am sorry to hear that.

To be specific, the part a/b not having thanksgiving.

Well I hope that you had a good day, anyways.

[ASsman]

Thanksgiving sucks, I bet all those injuns have their casinos to thank for though.

[Rosie Cotton]

You did not list any of the sightings of angels that people have seen all over the world.

I assume you are talking about Fatima? Because there's no way those poor illiterate children could have made it up.

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

[Rosie Cotton]

You may have noticed that Ufo believers are often referred to as buffs , a term used to minimalize and marginalize them by relegating them to the ranks of mere hobbyists and enthusiasts.

"Buffs" brings to mind people who collect Star Wars action figures, or comic books. Not people who think they've seen UFOs. People, stop lumping the kooks in with me and my friends!

[D_Raay]

"Buffs" brings to mind people who collect Star Wars action figures, or comic books. Not people who think they've seen UFOs. People, stop lumping the kooks in with me and my friends!
Heheh, not my intention at all, I hold the star wars fans in high regard..

[Rosie Cotton]

Heheh, not my intention at all, I hold the star wars fans in high regard..

It's okay, I didn't mean you specifically.

[Cashew]

Please racer, if you are going to force your bull shit opinions on us, at least make them valid and stop quoting that damn 2000 year old text!

I hate debating religious people because you can't win! They can just fall back on that lame ass "Well I have faith" excuse which is fucking BULL SHIT. They can't make a solid argument because their base is full of fucking holes!

[ASsman]

Please racer, if you are going to force your bull shit opinions on us, at least make them valid and stop quoting that damn 2000 year old text!

I hate debating religious people because you can't win! They can just fall back on that lame ass "Well I have faith" excuse which is fucking BULL SHIT. They can't make a solid argument because their base is full of fucking holes!
If you pray, he will answer. Then you will know that it is all true.

[Cashew]

Technically, he invented (created) me. And everything and everyone else for that matter.

Die slowly.

Want to see your lord? Want to see your savior?!

The genocidal, xenophobic, homophobic, Minority oppresing, women's rights waving, war monger of a LORD?

Look around! He is the rapist! The Murder! The Dictator, and all of gods other lovely creatures!

[D_Raay]

Michael Jackson missed his calling. If he had become a Catholic priest, he could have spent thirty or forty years blowing all the little boys he wanted, and no one would have said a word.

[Rosie Cotton]

Michael Jackson missed his calling. If he had become a Catholic priest, he could have spent thirty or forty years blowing all the little boys he wanted, and no one would have said a word.

And all the Jesus Blood he could ask for.

[ASsman]

I'm going to go molest some altar boys.

[racer5.0stang]

Die slowly.

Want to see your lord? Want to see your savior?!

The genocidal, xenophobic, homophobic, Minority oppresing, women's rights waving, war monger of a LORD?

Look around! He is the rapist! The Murder! The Dictator, and all of gods other lovely creatures!

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[Ace42]

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

You forgot John 3:16b

"Then he made some newer and nastier diseases, having got bored with leprosey"

[ASsman]

He also forgot....

1 Tm 6:1
All those who are under the yoke of slavery must have unqualified respect for their masters, so that the name of God and our teaching is not brought into disrepute.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_for_slaves/1tm06_01.jpg

Tt 2:9
Slaves must be obedient to their masters in everything, and do what is wanted without argument.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_for_slaves/tt02_09.jpg

1 Co 11:6
Indeed, if a woman does go without a veil, she should have her hair cut off too.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_for_women/1co11_06.jpg

1 Co 14:34
As in all the churches of God's holy people, women are to remain quiet in the assemblies, since they have no permission to speak: theirs is a subordinate part.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_for_women/1co14_33.jpg

1 Co 14:35
If there is anything they want to know, they should ask their husbands at home: it is shameful for a woman to speak in the assembly.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_for_women/1co14_35.jpg

Ep 5:24
And as the Church is subject to Christ, so should wives be to their husbands, in everything.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_for_women/ep05_24.jpg

1 Co 11:3
I should like you to understand that the head of every man is Christ.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_for_women/1co03a.jpg

1 Co 11:3
The head of woman is man.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_for_women/1co03b.jpg



1 Co 7:3
The husband must give to his wife what she has a right to expect.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_on_marriage/1co07_03a.jpg

1 Co 7:3
And so too the wife to her husband.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_on_marriage/1co07_03b.jpg

1 Co 7:5
You must not deprive each other, except by mutual consent for a limited time, to leave yourselves free for prayer...
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_on_marriage/1co07_05a.jpg

1 Co 7:5
...and to come together again afterwards.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/epistles_of_paul/instructions_on_marriage/1co07_05b.jpg







http://www.thebricktestament.com/

[ASsman]

Old Testament.


Gn 4:1
The man had sex with his wife Eve.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/cain_and_abel/gn04_01a.jpg

Gn 38:15-16
Judah, seeing her, took her for a prostitute, since her face was veiled. Going up to her on the road, he said, 'Here, let me sleep with you.'
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/judah_and_the_prostitute/gn38_15-16.jpg

Gn 38:16
'What will you give me for sleeping with you?' she asked.

Gn 38:17
'I will send you a kid from the flock,' he said.

Gn 38:18
He gave them to her and slept with her, and she conceived by him.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/judah_and_the_prostitute/gn38_18c.jpg

Gn 38:19
Then she got up and left him.

Gn 38:19
Taking off her veil, she resumed wearing her widow's clothes.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/judah_and_the_prostitute/gn38_19b.jpg

Gn 38:20-21
Judah sent the kid by his friend the Adullamite, to recover the pledge from the woman. But he did not find her. He enquired from the men of the place, 'Where is the prostitute who was by the roadside at Enaim?'

Gn 38:21
'There has been no prostitute here,' they answered.

Gn 38:24
About three months later, Judah was told, 'Your daughter-in-law has played the harlot; furthermore, she is pregnant, as a result of her misconduct.'

Gn 38:24
'Bring her out,' ordered Judah, 'and let her be burnt alive!'
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/judah_and_the_prostitute/gn38_24b.jpg

Gn 38:25
But as she was being led off, she sent word to her father-in-law.
http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/judah_and_the_prostitute/gn38_25a.jpg

Gn 38:25
'It was the owner of these who made me pregnant,' she said. 'Please verify whose seal and cord and staff these are.'



Gn 38:26
Judah recognized them and said, 'She was right and I was wrong, since I did not give her to my son Shelah.' He had no further intercourse with her.

- The End -

[racer5.0stang]

You forgot John 3:16b

"Then he made some newer and nastier diseases, having got bored with leprosey"

Revelation 22:18,19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

[ASsman]

Ap. 1:16
This book is bullshit.

[Ace42]

Revelation 22:18,19
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

And yet, you are reading it in English. Translation must and will add and subtract from the text which was NOT WRITTEN IN ENGLISH.

The KJA version of the bible is based on Tynsdale's versions with a few "alterations" - both adding and subtracting from the first translation of the bible into English.

[ASsman]

Are you trying to tell me the all-power God doesn't speak English?

[Cashew]

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Die Slowly.

[Cashew]

You are correct! God loves the liberals, He is waiting for them to turn to Him.
There will come a day when He will no longer wait. He is not ready to judge America yet.

You too!

[Cashew]

God is all knowing! He speaks English and all other languages! He sint his own sinless son to die for you and me. Our sin seperates us from Him, but Jesus is the bridge to Him. All we have to do is believe.

ohhh especially you!

[paulk]

Jesus votes libertarian.

[Rosie Cotton]

God is all knowing! He speaks English and all other languages! He sint his own sinless son to die for you and me. Our sin seperates us from Him, but Jesus is the bridge to Him. All we have to do is believe.

You are a dumbass. And you can't spell.

[racer5.0stang]

You are a dumbass. And you can't spell.

Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

[racer5.0stang]

Die Slowly.

Eccesiastes 9:12
For man also knoweth not his time: as the fishes that are taken in an evil net, and as the birds that are caught in the snare; so are the sons of men snared in an evil time, when it falleth suddenly upon them.

[little j]

what i will never understand is why one person's faith and beliefs makes another person so angry.

why do you care what one person believes or says? why would you tell someone to die because they believe a certain way?
not all christians are conservatives.
not all catholic priests are child molesters.
the bible is interesting, you should read it, and whatever it means to you, thats what it is supposed to mean.
God speaks through that book, to each person that reads it individually.
God does not oppress women or minorities
man does.
if one was to read the bible he/she might find out a thing or two about this god that you speak of like you know who god is, but you've not read the bible, you've not studied, plus how can you know what he is??
you say he is homophobic and and a warmonger. you couldn't be farther from the truth.
in reality it is mankind who is all these things.
if you are going to have so much hate, maybe you should express it in a positive way. to end hate is to enter love.

p.s.
if you dont like the bible quotes put racer and/or gmsisko on ignore.

[ASsman]

what i will never understand is why one person's faith and beliefs makes another person so angry.
And I will never understand why you are incapable of using your shift key. And who the said anything about being angry about peoples faiths? OH GOT CHRISTIANITY JUST PISSES ME OFF! OMGOMGOMGOM!!OM!OMFAGGOT!

You're obviously missing the point of EVERYTHING that has been said. Re-read it all, this time slowly.



why do you care what one person believes or says? why would you tell someone to die because they believe a certain way?
We don't, no one should.. Who are you arguing with?


God does not oppress women or minorities
Sometimes in the name of God.

1 Tm 6:1
All those who are under the yoke of slavery must have unqualified respect for their masters, so that the name of God and our teaching is not brought into disrepute.

1 Co 14:34
As in all the churches of God's holy people, women are to remain quiet in the assemblies, since they have no permission to speak: theirs is a subordinate part.

The Brick Testament owns you.





if one was to read the bible he/she might find out a thing or two about this god that you speak of like you know who god is, but you've not read the bible, you've not studied, plus how can you know what he is??
Bible is mostly about Jehova anyways.... Also I don't know if Spot ran fast or not from "See Spot Run" doesn't mean I don't know he doesn't exist (in reality). You are trying to prove something that is not suppost to be proven to be actual. FAITH is the keyword, believe me if we could prove that God exists we would all be saved jackass. That's not part of the FUCKING PLAN OF FUCKING SALVATION.

you say he is homophobic and and a warmonger. you couldn't be farther from the truth.
Who Bush? Yes...

if you dont like the bible quotes put racer and/or gmsisko on ignore.
Thanks for the tip. Really I wouldn't have figured it out otherwise.

P.S Cashew , I would appreciate it if you didn't quote the troll.

[Funkaloyd]

God does not oppress women or minorities

Ephesians 5:22

you say he is homophobic and and a warmonger. you couldn't be farther from the truth.

Leviticus 20:13
Numbers 31:1-18

[little j]

And I will never understand why you are incapable of using your shift key. And who the said anything about being angry about peoples faiths? OH GOT CHRISTIANITY JUST PISSES ME OFF! OMGOMGOMGOM!!OM!OMFAGGOT!
ok, so maybe not angry but yeah, definitely bothered.

You're obviously missing the point of EVERYTHING that has been said. Re-read it all, this time slowly. im not missing the point. im just making a different point.



We don't, no one should.. Who are you arguing with? actually yeah, someone did. cashew? yeah. not cool. not arguing anyway.



Sometimes in the name of God.

1 Tm 6:1
All those who are under the yoke of slavery must have unqualified respect for their masters, so that the name of God and our teaching is not brought into disrepute.

1 Co 14:34
As in all the churches of God's holy people, women are to remain quiet in the assemblies, since they have no permission to speak: theirs is a subordinate part.

The Brick Testament owns you. 1. re-read what i said, slowly this time. and 2. no one owns me but me.




Bible is mostly about Jehova anyways.... Also I don't know if Spot ran fast or not from "See Spot Run" doesn't mean I don't know he doesn't exist (in reality). You are trying to prove something that is not suppost to be proven to be actual. FAITH is the keyword, believe me if we could prove that God exists we would all be saved jackass. That's not part of the FUCKING PLAN OF FUCKING SALVATION. i am not trying to prove anything. im just trying to understand why talking about god and faith and christianity is such a horrible thing to some people.

really i think you took me wrong, but i guess thats ok.

believe what you want to believe if you want to believe and dont come down on someone else for what they believe.

[ASsman]

ok, so maybe not angry but yeah, definitely bothered.
Again missing the point. It doesn't bother me at all. Just like it doesn't bother me that people believe in Santa Claus... I really could care less. When they try to impose to beliefs on everyone else... e.g the President. That get's me all PO'd . Also when they try to prove his existance. You can't and you are not suppose to prove that God exists... Or when people try to quote from the Bible like it's a fucking encyclopedia. You can't prove he exists because a book says he does... And one that has been corrupt by man. (assuming it wasn't to begin with)

BUT WHY DO I HAVE TO ARGUE THIS AGAIN. GOD!! That is what these 3 pages of posts have done.


1. re-read what i said, slowly this time. and 2. no one owns me but me.

Did you not say it is the word of God..... So how is it not God saying those things.....

[little j]

i did not say it is the word of god. i think it is...but i did not say that. I said that god speaks through the bible. he also speaks through people, music, other writings, nature, etc.
it doesn't make you angry but it bothers other people.
i dont know why i even try to get into conversations with you.
you are too quick to counter.
open your mind a little bit and let a conversation happen.
his isn't always a debate.....

Oh, and I know how to use my SHIFT key just fine, Thank You. :o

[ASsman]

Of course I'm quick to counter... It's the Bible we are talking about.. Jesus. Not some factual anything..

God speaks through that book, to each person that reads it individually.



Quote:
Originally Posted by ASsman
Sometimes in the name of God.

1 Tm 6:1
All those who are under the yoke of slavery must have unqualified respect for their masters, so that the name of God and our teaching is not brought into disrepute.

1 Co 14:34
As in all the churches of God's holy people, women are to remain quiet in the assemblies, since they have no permission to speak: theirs is a subordinate part.

The Brick Testament owns you.

1. re-read what i said, slowly this time. and 2. no one owns me but me.
You first.

[racer5.0stang]

[QUOTE=ASsman]
1 Tm 6:1
All those who are under the yoke of slavery must have unqualified respect for their masters, so that the name of God and our teaching is not brought into disrepute.

1 Co 14:34
As in all the churches of God's holy people, women are to remain quiet in the assemblies, since they have no permission to speak: theirs is a subordinate part.[QUOTE]

If you are going to quote scripture, make sure you are using the right book.

1 Timothy 6:1
Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed.

1 Corinthians 14:34
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

[ASsman]

If you are going to quote scripture, make sure you are using the right book.
I am, you are not. I declare my version better than your version, thereby I am right and you are wrong. Also I prayed to Jesus, totally backed me up on this one.

[Ace42]

what i will never understand is why one person's faith and beliefs makes another person so angry.

Yeah, I don't get why people were so PO'd with Adolf Hitler either. So you had a difference of opinion on the whole genocide deal, feh.

[yeahwho]

what i will never understand is why one person's faith and beliefs makes another person so angry.
.

If racer5.0stang would have an actual discussion on the reasons he enjoys his bible so much, I just may be able to tolerate him more....but he is a cut and paste artist who posts lines of scripture while the rest of are having a discussion about Dick Cheney.

Fuck him.

He deserves any ill will anybody here wants to dish out. He is the epitome of the holier than thou asshole that I cannot stand. If the heat gets too hot he can leave the kitchen.

His brand of christianity is an insult and real step backwards for the many millions of christians on this planet who try to really help and minister the needy and downtrodden. He is not pro-active, just a troll getting his jollies that doesn't even like the Beastie Boys.

Checkout his profile and posts (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/member.php?userid=21193), nuff said.

[Rosie Cotton]

Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

Fuck this shit!

[ASsman]

What about anal sex? I think the Bible prohibits it. A little bit of sucky, sucky?

[racer5.0stang]

If racer5.0stang would have an actual discussion on the reasons he enjoys his bible so much, I just may be able to tolerate him more....but he is a cut and paste artist who posts lines of scripture while the rest of are having a discussion about Dick Cheney.

Fuck him.

He deserves any ill will anybody here wants to dish out. He is the epitome of the holier than thou asshole that I cannot stand. If the heat gets too hot he can leave the kitchen.

His brand of christianity is an insult and real step backwards for the many millions of christians on this planet who try to really help and minister the needy and downtrodden. He is not pro-active, just a troll getting his jollies that doesn't even like the Beastie Boys.

Checkout his profile and posts (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/member.php?userid=21193), nuff said.

I believe that I disagree with your entire statement. Who said I didn't like the Beastie Boys?

[yeahwho]

I believe that I disagree with your entire statement. Who said I didn't like the Beastie Boys?

Waitin’ for when the last shall be first and the first shall be last.

[ASsman]

I believe that I disagree with your entire statement. Who said I didn't like the Beastie Boys?
Because it's a sin to.

[Rosie Cotton]

Racer, here's something you'll like. Those of us who actually think will be appalled.

Note to Religion Editors: Public Doubts Darwin, Evolution, Poll Finds

By E&P Staff

Published: November 30, 2004 12:01 PM ET

NEW YORK As the press considers increasing its "faith-based" reporting, one thing journalists should keep in mind is that, contrary to most assumptions, large numbers of American remain wary of evolution and continue to see God's hand fully directing the origin of the species.

"Public acceptance of Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is well below the 50% mark, a fact of considerable concern to many scientists," Frank Newport, editor-in-chief of The Gallup Poll, observed today. He noted that given three alternatives, only 35% say that evolution is well-supported by evidence. The same number say evolution is one of many theories and not well supported by evidence. Another 29% say they don't know enough about it to say.

Almost half of Americans (45%) believe that human beings "were created by God essentially as they are today (that is, without evolving) about 10,000 years ago," acccording to Gallup's poll.

Newport, in his weekly report, cited two possible reasons for these findings: Most Americans have not been regularly exposed to scientific study on these matters; or many Americans know about Darwin's theory, but feel it contradicts a literal interpretation of the Book of Genesis. "Indeed, about a third of Americans are biblical literalists," he writes.


http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1000728154

[Schmeltz]

contrary to most assumptions, large numbers of American remain wary of evolution and continue to see God's hand fully directing the origin of the species.


What do they mean "contrary to most assumptions"? Given the lack of any kind of basic knowledge on the part of many Americans about things like, oh, you know, the war in Iraq, I should think most assumptions would be perfectly in tune with these findings. Lord knows I'm not surprised.

[Rosie Cotton]

^^ True. :rolleyes: