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paulk
12-12-2004, 01:23 AM
From week 4 discussion of the gay Nevada Constitution distance education class that I'm now done with:

Some dumbass, replying to some other dumbasses: I also think cigarettes should be banned all together, but that is unrealistic. The Nevada Indoor Clean Air Act sounds like a great idea. Even if you sit in non-smoking sections in public places it doesn't matter because smoke floats and lingers. It gets in your hair and your clothes and reaks. However, I did recently see a commercial for a smoke free casino.

Me: To deny private property owners the right to choose for themselves whether smoking will be allowed or disallowed in their facilities is unconstitutional and actually rather fascist.

A new, even bigger dumbass steps in: Well, we don't allow private owners to spit in our food, have bowl movements in public or let bugs run around. Why? Because of health reasons. Smoking, on the hand is allowed in public and have been proven a numerous amount of time to do damage to our health expecially second hand smoking. If not allowing people to smoke in public is fascist then not allowing people to poop in a middle of a resteraunt is facist also.

I, the genius that I am, reply:
Using your "poop" as an example,

If I went to a restaurant, and found "poop" in my food or saw
someone "pooping" in the middle of the restaurant, I would never go back
and I would tell everyone I know to never go there.

The same goes for if I got violently ill after eating there for whatever reason.

If there was an outbreak of hepatitis among people who ate at the
restaurant, class action lawsuits would put the owner out of business for
the rest of his life and would deter any other owners from allowing "poop" to
be used as an ingredient in their food.

The same goes for smoking. If you don't like inhaling secondhand smoke,
you don't go to a restaurant that allows it. There is a large enough
population of anti-smokers that many restaurants already have voluntarily
banned smoking from their restaurants.

It is self-regulating; the government has no place in the restaurant business.

"Publicly owned" property would be a different matter however.

A third dumbass:
I would like to see a Nevada where I can go to the store and not get hit in the face with a cloud of smoke. But I know that is not very likely, especialy stores that have gaming. For that reason I try not to patron those establishments. I work for a drug store that has gaming and the first thing I hear people say, from out of state, is 'they have smoking in a drug store, that is not very healthy'. I could not agree more with them, but our store has a contract with the gaming company and it states that if the store wants to continue to receive revenue from them then we just have to live with the smoking.
I understand that people have a right to smoke and that right should not be taken away from them. So it is up to the rest of us who do not smoke and those who do, but respect the rights of those who do not, to fight the good fight and not use those places that allow smoking.
One last thing, we live in a democracy and the voice of the people is soposed to be heard. If the majority of the people want to ban smoking altogether is that realy facism or is it the vioce of the people? And if the majority of the people want to ban smoking in public places but the minority is allowed to continue, is that not an unfair ruling?

Somebody else, who is somehow almost on the same level as me:
Yes, we live in a Democracy . . . well actually a representative republic. But "majority rules" is not the code we live by. Facsism was brought up. Lets not forget that Hitler was elected into power by "majority rule." Our founders drafted a pretty amazing document called the constitution. They set up a series of checks and balances in the form of the judiciary. If the majority rule infringes on private rights, the judiciary can step in and use the power of the constiturion to right the wrong. I believe tobacco is a deadly substance. I know we will not ban it because it brings way too much revenue to local and federal tax coffers. To tell a private business that their customers cannot use a legal substance in their establishment is enfringement upon the owner's rights. We all can chose where to eat, shop, and recreate. Let's not get to the point where we demand government to make all of our decisions for us.



Most delicious.

Funkaloyd
12-12-2004, 01:50 AM
If there was an outbreak of hepatitis among people who ate at the
restaurant, class action lawsuits would put the owner out of business for
the rest of his life

I'm sure that the customers who now have hepatitis are very happy with their newfound wealth.

And please stop abusing the "Fascist" label. If you must, use "authoritarian."

paulk
12-12-2004, 02:32 AM
Hepatitis is but a small price to pay for freedom.

Funkaloyd
12-12-2004, 02:57 AM
What freedom is there in sickness or death?


In your libertarian utopia, if a government official observes a man raping a woman on private property, does that official do no more than inform the woman that she can file a lawsuit againt the perpetrator at a later date?

paulk
12-12-2004, 12:19 PM
In my libertarian utopia there are no government officials. Duh!

Schmeltz
12-12-2004, 02:42 PM
That's because in a real libertarian utopia might makes right and the only morality is that defined by strength. Just as utopian as Communism, if you ask me.

Starting January 1st, smoking is banned in all public places in my home province. Thank freakin Christ.

Funkaloyd
12-12-2004, 03:09 PM
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=17674

GreenEarthAl
12-12-2004, 05:49 PM
Finally, an interesting thread.

(y) paulk

(even though I disagree with you)

Ace42
12-12-2004, 06:02 PM
Starting January 1st, smoking is banned in all public places in my home province. Thank freakin Christ.

That will make tobacco-appreciation societies' meetings very dull.

Well, duller than usual.

yeahwho
12-12-2004, 06:18 PM
I know we will not ban it because it brings way too much revenue to local and federal tax coffers.

Boy and how, statistics (http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact01.html) show the lowest wage earners on the socio-economic ladder pay those taxes, they not only cannot afford to smoke, they too must subsidize their own healthcare. They also are the targeted audience by Madison Ave. in the USA. I have no answers, neither do the Feds, but it is a tragedy the way this works out.

To tell a private business that their customers cannot use a legal substance in their establishment is enfringement upon the owner's rights. We all can chose where to eat, shop, and recreate. Let's not get to the point where we demand government to make all of our decisions for us.

I agree 100% with the above statement, this is the do good police getting in over their heads. They banned smoking on all public beaches from Laguna up to Santa Monica this past year....that is an amazing scope of law, let a private business owner decide if he wants his establishment to have a smoking section....that is all. If he decides to do this, have the proper riders avilable to employees who are working said area. The grill in the last diner I work had more Carbon Monoxide than 2nd hand smoke. Plus the gutbombs put a hell of an artery clog in the system.

SobaViolence
12-12-2004, 07:26 PM
productivity and a worker`s health go hand in hand.

keep them healthy and they`ll work more/harder/more efficiently.

paulk
12-12-2004, 08:00 PM
Ok ok, I got a flood of PMs from a bunch of people on here begging me to post more so they can learn how to be just like me, so here you go:

S.H.: The Nevada unemployment rate has fallen to 3.6%...the lowest rate in 25 years! The national unemployment rate is at 5.5% and the Las Vegas Valley is doing well with a 3.5% rate. THere is an estimated 40, 300 unemployed people in Nevada.
Some of the larger job increases are credited to Construction (11.9%increase)and professional and business ervices (up 9.3%). Manufacturing (4.3% up), retail business (4.7 percent up) and government employment (4.3% up) were other big winners. Las Vegas employment seemed to follow this same trend.

. . .

Heavy D. Sorvangsorahn: This is good news for job-seekers and households affected but NV must be careful that the rates don't get too low. As we get closer to "full" employment, this could mean very little job shifts in the market. If no one is leaving their job then there are no job
openings and if no jobs are opening up, then the employed is stuck in their position (stagnant) if they can't afford to be unemployed. When labor markets are too tight, wages could shoot up as employers try to compete for human resources and inflation and interest rates could also rise. I think it's good to have a natural rate of unemployment to keep things balanced.

Last I checked, VT has the lowest rate in the nation at 3.1% with HI, SD and VA trailing behind with 3.3% unemployment rate as of October 2004. Nevada is number 10 which is still good news...yippee!!

. . . a bunch of other fags express varying levels of elation at the news . . .

Mr. Paulk Himself: Interesting how Vermont--the state with what are probably the least-intrusive laws in the nation--also has the lowest unemployment rate. Mere coincidence? I think not.



Beautiful!

yeahwho
12-12-2004, 09:49 PM
Mr. Paulk Himself: Interesting how Vermont--the state with what are probably the least-intrusive laws in the nation--also has the lowest unemployment rate. Mere coincidence? I think not!

Dyn-O-Mite, I'm taking that gem and pawning it off as my own so people will think I think just like you! ;)

Funkaloyd
12-12-2004, 09:53 PM
Alaska is rather "liberal," no? They've got a huge unemployment rate.

paulk
12-12-2004, 09:59 PM
They've also got a huge population of them damn alcoholic eskimos!

yeahwho
12-12-2004, 10:11 PM
Alaska is rather "liberal," no? They've got a huge unemployment rate.
No. Alaska voted for Dole too. They be very red (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/elections/2004/ak/) for very many years.

Funkaloyd
12-12-2004, 11:40 PM
But in a two party system that's not necessarily indicative of anything. I don't mean "liberal" as in "liberal media."

paulk
12-12-2004, 11:54 PM
Liberal in the way that I'm a liberal.

Schmeltz
12-13-2004, 12:44 AM
So not at all, then.

paulk
12-13-2004, 01:06 AM
No no, 18th cent. definition.

Schmeltz
12-13-2004, 01:28 AM
Something in me feels compelled to point out that we are now two centuries removed from the end of the 18th century.

Whois
12-13-2004, 10:16 AM
From week 4 discussion of the gay Nevada Constitution distance education class that I'm now done with:

Somebody else, who is somehow almost on the same level as me:
Yes, we live in a Democracy . . . well actually a representative republic. But "majority rules" is not the code we live by. Facsism was brought up. Lets not forget that Hitler was elected into power by "majority rule." Our founders drafted a pretty amazing document called the constitution. They set up a series of checks and balances in the form of the judiciary. If the majority rule infringes on private rights, the judiciary can step in and use the power of the constiturion to right the wrong. I believe tobacco is a deadly substance. I know we will not ban it because it brings way too much revenue to local and federal tax coffers. To tell a private business that their customers cannot use a legal substance in their establishment is enfringement upon the owner's rights. We all can chose where to eat, shop, and recreate. Let's not get to the point where we demand government to make all of our decisions for us.

Most delicious.

Sweet...

(y)

paulk
12-14-2004, 01:53 AM
Benji Cannon: Since 2001 12 of Nevada's military personnel have been killed in the war in Iraq. This Saturday at 10 am there will be a rally in support of our troops. It will be held at the YMCA on Meadows lane.
This is a great opportunity to show support for our troops even if you do not support the war. At the rally members from eight of the 12 families will speak about how the war has effected them and how we can continue to support our troops.
This will be a four hour event. Money raised at the rally will go to aid our troops and their families.
This is a signifficant event because it involves members of our armed forces who lived here in Nevada. It can bring the community together in support of our troops and combine the voice of the people. Personally I support the troops and not the war and I think they deserve our respect. I have not realy given much thought about the war except as someing that is happening on the other side of the world. I think this event will
make it more real.

Me: If you believe the war is immoral, how can you support people who are taking part in it? Don't they also have a moral obligation to oppose immoral acts?

Mary "On Bush's Dick" Sloan: Just because you believe the war in Iraq is wrong and immoral, does not mean you cannot support the men and women who are fighting for us. It is their job, and TRUST ME, they are not in Iraq because they want to be. Also, just because you think it is wrong, or I think it is wrong, does not mean that it is.... many people believe it is right. President Bush and his administration obviously and whole-heartedly believed that going into Iraq was the right thing to do... and since we elected him, it is our duty to support him and the troops he has sent in. Even if you do not like Bush and didn't vote for him, we should still all support our troops because they are unselfishly risking their lives simply because we, as a nation, asked them to.

Me:
"Just because you believe the war in Iraq is wrong and immoral, does not mean you cannot support the men and women who are fighting for us."

But you see, that's the thing; they aren't fighting for us, they aren't
protecting our freedom. They are needlessly dying along with thousands of
Iraqis.

"since we elected him, it is our duty to support him.."

Government by the people, for the people, doesn't work when the people
sheepishly follow the herd, so to speak. Giving our elected officials the benefit of the doubt goes against the spirit of democracy. If we think the war is wrong, we can do no less than to oppose it. To simply bend over and take it is shameful and un-American.

I say there could be no better way to support our troops than doing everything we can to make them come home.
.....

Ali
12-14-2004, 09:23 AM
productivity and a worker`s health go hand in hand.

keep them healthy and they`ll work more/harder/more efficiently. what about all the people who will lose their jobs making, selling and delivering cigarettes?