Tax breaks and SUVs--this is getting ridiculous

[FunkyHiFi]

Check this site (http://www.taxpayer.net/TCS/whitepapers/SUVtaxbreak.htm) out:

This makes the purchase of at least 55 large SUVs, passenger vans, and trucks-all priced under $100,000-completely deductible in the first year [by small businesses]...........As a result, Hummer sales, and SUV sales in general, have skyrocketed and this trend has continued with the passage of the Jobs and Growth Act. This has raised a number of important questions about the effect of this provision. For one, this is another tax break that primarily benefits the rich.
No WONDER there are so many of those fat-ass things clogging up the roads now!!!

[ASsman]

"We need big cars, to carry our fatass kids to soccer practice" - Uknown comedian.

WOhooOO!

[FunkyHiFi]

....and I thought the almost total disappearance of classy luxury coupes was just because trendy people didn't think they were "in" anymore.

ASsman: I've been watching who is driving SUVs for years now & that "soccer mom" excuse for buying them is bullshit--I almost never see big groups of kids in those things. :mad: And this article helps to explain why.

[ASsman]

Yah, soccer moms.. ROCKING 24's .. 24's and SOMe HOES,.. 24's.

[D_Raay]

You see we need SUV's to drive down the road and look cool. Never mind that they are built for off-road use. We may eventually go off-road, hell we may move to Colorado at some point. Besides they are so cool to ride in while I talk on my cellphone. If I get in an accident I will certainly be safe. Fuck that other guy in the Prius. He should have bought a Hummer.
Say, my gas money, which by the way is substantial, doesn't go to those Arabs now does it? Damnit I have my "support the troops" bumper sticker so that makes up for my gas guzzling, environmentally un-friendly, 4 wheel drive, no way it's a hooptie, cool SUV.

[Qdrop]

You see we need SUV's to drive down the road and look cool. Never mind that they are built for off-road use. We may eventually go off-road, hell we may move to Colorado at some point. Besides they are so cool to ride in while I talk on my cellphone. If I get in an accident I will certainly be safe. Fuck that other guy in the Prius. He should have bought a Hummer.

the sad thing is that many of them are NOT safer and are, in fact, more prone to roll over....which is almost certain death at higher speeds.


Say, my gas money, which by the way is substantial, doesn't go to those Arabs now does it? Damnit I have my "support the troops" bumper sticker so that makes up for my gas guzzling, environmentally un-friendly, 4 wheel drive, no way it's a hooptie, cool SUV.
it is actually kind of a myth that SUV's cause any more substantial environmental damage or gussel a significantly larger amount of arabian oil (in barrels) then a ford contour or whatever.
but they still suck ass just the same.

[ASsman]

Most SUVs' suspension is tuned/made for city, not off-road.. AT ALL. Although I wish I could buy a H3T (Ht3, whatever) and mount a .50 cal on the back. Viva "tak tak tak tak tak" LA "tak tak tak tak" Revolution... etc.

[Whois]

Most SUVs' suspension is tuned/made for city, not off-road.. AT ALL. Although I wish I could buy a H3T (Ht3, whatever) and mount a .50 cal on the back. Viva "tak tak tak tak tak" LA "tak tak tak tak" Revolution... etc.

Get a Hummer 1.0 and mount a Mk19 on the top.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/mk19.htm

[D_Raay]

Okay in response to both of those posts, first Q, they use more gas. THEY USE MORE GAS. We are currently involved in a quagmire with a oil-producing country. Oil being a limited natural resource. Hence , the more SUV's we drive, the more gas we use, the worse for the environment it is.
Despite the roll-over factor, I believe in a head on collision, the fellow in the VW bug versus the fellow in the Expedition, well, you see where that is headed don't you?
As far as the off road capabilities of SUV"s, they only changed that when we started buying the shit out of them, much to the auto makers glee I might add. "Hey, we can still charge them out the ass even though we take away one of the features that used to make them off road vehicles and allow us to charge more for them. Oh, how we love sheeple."

"Oh, and a shout out to all the urban P-Diddy types out there for making it possible"

[Qdrop]

Okay in response to both of those posts, first Q, they use more gas. THEY USE MORE GAS. We are currently involved in a quagmire with a oil-producing country. Oil being a limited natural resource. Hence , the more SUV's we drive, the more gas we use, the worse for the environment it is.

an interesting article:
read this (http://www.reason.com/0207/fe.he.four.shtml)

some excerts:
"Back here in the 21st century, there’s growing concern that the automobile is killing the planet. Presumably, bigger, dirtier cars capable of making their own roads aren’t a part of the solution. There’s plenty of evidence that SUVs contribute to our environmental dilemma. It takes more resources to make them; they burn more gas, oil, and rubber during their useful lifetimes; and they continue to pollute disproportionately once they’ve been scrapped.

On the other hand, the difference between SUVs and other cars is one not so much of degree as of perception. Picking on SUV owners is probably as misguided as it is disingenuous. New SUVs, for example, are a far sight more responsible than the 15 million used cars that become obsolete each year. Even the greenest autos built in the 1980s, for example, are 90 percent dirtier and less efficient than new SUVs. Anyway, if I really wanted to get serious about reducing my daily contribution to the planet’s carbon dioxide, I’d be pumping two wheels instead of driving four. The anti-automobile crusade is hopeless, and singling out any particular model is an exercise in pointlessness."

if every SUV owner traded in their Gas Gussler for a typical Honda Accord, the reduction in oil barrels bought from Saudi fields would be negligable, when all is said and done.
changing what vehicle you drive makes nary a differance when compared to using public transportation or a bike.
that is, if you REALLY wanted to "put your money where your mouth is".

but, i suppose every little bit helps.

[Echewta]

12/2003

Been in the code for awhile. Biggest ticket item in Detriot.

Funny, it means we pay for someones SUV.

[D_Raay]

but, i suppose every little bit helps.

[QueenAdrock]

Sure, SUV's will win on a head-on...but my friend had a '94 Ford Escort and T-boned a Ford Excursion, flipping it on its side. They had to use the jaws of life to get the people out. Guess their thousands of dollars DIDN'T protect them.

I heard about this damn tax break a few years ago, it still pisses me off. I live in a white yuppie "I love SUVs, but hate the outdoors" kinda-town. However, it's also highly Democratic. Go figure.

[ASsman]

I want a APC. Just run through red lights (literally).

[SobaViolence]

i walk. does that make me a communist?

[QueenAdrock]

YES :mad:

[Qdrop]

i walk. does that make me a communist?

"GO BACK TO RUSSIA!!"

[D_Raay]

http://www.sierraclub.org/globalwarming/SUVreport/

When it comes to wasting energy, SUVs are unrivaled. Built with outdated, gas-guzzling technology, many SUVs get just 13 miles per gallon. And the higher gas prices are, the more money they waste.

Auto-industry advertising portrays SUVs as the ticket to freedom and the great outdoors. Commercials depict them climbing massive snow-capped mountains or tearing through desert sand dunes, taking their owners into the wild. In reality, the only off-road action many of these vehicles see is accidentally driving through a flower bed next to the driveway.

Missing from these ads are other contributions from SUVs�the brown haze of air pollution hanging over many of our national parks, images of weather disasters linked to global warming or the oil derricks and tankers needed to feed gas-guzzling SUVs. In contrast to Detroit's carefully crafted image, SUVs have a dark side. They spew out 43 percent more global-warming pollution and 47 percent more air pollution than an average car. SUVs are four times more likely than cars to roll over in an accident and three times more likely to kill the occupants in a rollover. They also cost the owner thousands more on gasoline.

[STANKY808]

an interesting article:
read this (http://www.reason.com/0207/fe.he.four.shtml)

...New SUVs, for example, are a far sight more responsible than the 15 million used cars that become obsolete each year. Even the greenest autos built in the 1980s, for example, are 90 percent dirtier and less efficient than new SUVs...

Apples and oranges? Or perhaps a "straw man"?

What is the point of comparing a new SUV with a vehicle made up to twenty years ago?

Anyway, I'll agree with you that the real difference will occur with more lifestyle chages - i.e. more public transit, biking and or walking.

[valvano]

As the driver of a Chevrolet Suburban and the father of 3 kids, I must honestly say you can all go fuck yourselves....

:D

[D_Raay]

As the driver of a Chevrolet Suburban and the father of 3 kids, I must honestly say you can all go fuck yourselves....

:D
I have 2 kids and we manage just fine with a hybrid.

[valvano]

I have 2 kids and we manage just fine with a hybrid.

with 2, my old Jeep Grand Wagoneer did fine, but 3 put us over the edge.

plus, I drive my old 83 Mercedes at least one day a week.

[Qdrop]

Apples and oranges? Or perhaps a "straw man"?

What is the point of comparing a new SUV with a vehicle made up to twenty years ago?



because those "up to 20 year old cars" are still on the road.....and causing MORE environmental damage than recent SUV produced.

if it is the enviroment you are concerned about.......prioritize and focus on the biggest threat....right?

"JUST SAY NO, TO THAT 93' OLD'S....!! DOWN WITH THE 92 BUICK!!"

[valvano]

i thought you tree huggers hated our "throw away" society.....so what do you want, americans to drive their cars as long as possible OR buy a new car every 2-3 years to keep up with the technology and fill up the landfills??

and how are we to keep financing all those new car purchases when we can barely afford environmental fees, tax, etc put on us by the tree-hugger loving democrats?

so which is it?
:D

[Echewta]

tree-hugger loving democrats?



where?

[Spacializer]

if you were to realize that people have a purpose on this earth, and one of the things was to burn oil, you might feel better about reality.

[Echewta]

Its hard to believe we still rely on the dinosaurs.