Jihad In New Jersey

[100% ILL]

Brutal Murder of a family in Jersey

http://www.aina.org/news/20050118012946.htm


Jihad in New Jersey

Two days ago, Hossam Armanious, his wife Amal Garas and their daughters, Monica (8) and Sylvia (15) were found murdered in their New Jersey home. The reason this family was so brutally murdered appears to be that they were outspoken critics of Islam. The family was bound and tortured, before their throats were slit in accord with the instructions for executing nonbelievers, as detailed in the Koran: (47:4) "Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly [on them]."

They were Coptic Christians, an Egyptian sect of Christianity especially hated by Muslims for their refusal to convert to Islam. Hossam Armanious had received death threats from Muslims. According to a family friend, one of the threats read, "You'd better stop this bull, or we are going to track you down like a chicken and kill you." Sylvia was especially brutalized, apparently due to the tattoo of a Coptic cross on her wrist. The girl's throat was not only slit, but she was stabbed repeatedly in the chest and wrist where she bore the sign of her faith.

If, as it appears, Islamic terrorists in New Jersey killed this family, it must serve as an ear-splitting wake up call. Every American must be warned and reminded that the terrorists hide among us. The likes of Michael Moore, who claim, "There is no terrorist threat," should be forced to view this atrocity. Those who think the prisoner abuses at Abu Graib were horrible human rights violations should by forced to view the body of an 8 year old girl, her hands bound and her throat slit by their Muslim darlings.

[bb_bboy]

It is a terrible tragedy. It is also a terrible article.

"Those who think the prisoner abuses at Abu Graib were horrible human rights violations should by forced to view the body of an 8 year old girl, her hands bound and her throat slit by their Muslim darlings."

I like how it acts as though being sympathetic for abused Islamic prisoners and being sympathetic for a murdered Chrisitan family are mutually exclusive reactions. Not everyone sees strictly in black and white.

[ms.peachy]

It is a terrible tragedy. It is also a terrible article.

"Those who think the prisoner abuses at Abu Graib were horrible human rights violations should by forced to view the body of an 8 year old girl, her hands bound and her throat slit by their Muslim darlings."

I like how it acts as though being sympathetic for abused Islamic prisoners and being sympathetic for a murdered Chrisitan family are mutually exclusive reactions. Not everyone sees strictly in black and white.

couldn't have said it better myself.

[YoungRemy]

Judson Cox is a young man "from the mountains of North Carolina." who writes political commentary for several newspapers and websites. Judson receives e-mail at conservativejud@yahoo.com.

[Qdrop]

ya know, i could be wrong...
but i think that article was written by a christian, NRA supporting republican....

but maybe i'm reading too much into it.



i will have to hear about this from another less biased source than that website and writer before i can really be up in arms about it.

but if it can be verified and is truthfull......it is, indeed frightening....

i personally, do beleive there is a terrorist threat among us....
perhaps not as potent as the war/terror mongers would like to believe...but present.

[100% ILL]

http://www.aina.org/news/20050118115326.htm

U.S. Copts Condemn Slaying of Christian Family By Muslims

WASHINGTON (AINA) -- The U.S. Copts Association express its outrage, shock, and disbelief at the atrocious murder of a Coptic-American couple and their two children in their New Jersey home after father Hossam Armanious expressed "strong Coptic beliefs" to Muslim extremists on an internet discussion forum.

Armanious, a resident of heavily Coptic-populated Jersey City, was a frequent contributor to religious debates in chat rooms accessed through paltalk.com. The 47-year old Egyptian immigrant was known as an opinionated online defender of both his Christian faith and Egypt's persecuted Coptic minority. Authorities suspect the Armanious family's brutal slaying is linked to Armanious' vehement web postings defending Copts against militant Islam and rousing the ire of the internet forum's Muslim fundamentalist participants. A Muslim poster threatened Armanious with retaliation, warning, "We will hunt you down...and kill you."

Armanious, his wife Amal, and their fifteen- and eight-year old daughters Sylvia and Monica were found bound, gagged, and stabbed to death in their Jersey City home on Friday, Jan. 14. All four victim's throats had been slashed. Teenager Sylvia Armanious, an outspoken defender of Copts' religious freedom, sustained the most severe wounds, with slash marks on her throat, chest, and cross- tattooed wrist. Investigators point to the slashing of the teen's cross and the vicious nature of the slayings as indicators of a hate crime.

"Muslim extremists' gruesome slaying of an innocent Coptic family is not only appalling, but disturbing in its implications for the Coptic-American community," said Michael Meunier, president of the U.S. Copts Association. "Since EgyptW's exponential increase in anti-Coptic hate crimes, Copts have fled to the U.S. seeking religious liberty and freedom from persecution. That such deadly prejudice has followed Coptic immigrants out of Egypt is deeply alarming, and must serve as a warning to U.S. officials in their campaign against terrorism. The Armanious family members are modern-day martyrs in Islamic fundamentalists' war on Christianity and the freedom it advocates. Al-Qaeda is not only in the Middle East but in New Jersey and we call on the FBI to hunt down the killers and bring them to justice."

[ASsman]

I think this says more about ILL than the writer of the article... or maybe I am mistaken.


Every American must be warned and reminded that the terrorists hide among us.
Yes watch your neighbors closely, they might be part of the communist party.

[100% ILL]

http://www.aina.org/releases/20041007141044.htm

[YoungRemy]

100% ILL, cover yourself, your agenda is showing!

Religous Tensions erupt at Slain Family's Funeral (http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/18/family.slain.ap/index.html)

JERSEY CITY, New Jersey (AP) -- Authorities insist a theory that a Muslim angry over Internet postings was responsible for the slaying of an Egyptian Christian family is just one of several under investigation.

But the theory -- embraced as fact by some -- has touched off a new round of anti-Muslim sentiment in a city still stinging from a post-September 11 backlash.

Grief and rage erupted Monday at the funeral for the slain family members, who were found bound and fatally stabbed in their home early Friday. Mourners fought in the street, with many blaming Muslims for the deaths.

As the coffins were carried through the streets to St. George & St. Shenouda Coptic Orthodox Church, one protester's sign, above a photograph of the smiling Armanious family read: "American Family Beheaded on American Soil. Welcome Bin Laden." Others declared: "Terrorists Reached Our Home" and "Bush: Crush Sleeper Cells."

Church official Amil Sarofiem begged for order.

"Get out! We don't need any talk about September 11 or Muslims!" he yelled to a man who was shouting anti-Muslim slogans.

Investigators are looking into the possibility that Hossam Armanious, 47, his 37-year-old wife, Amal Garas, and their daughters, Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8, were slain by someone angered over postings that Armanious, a Coptic Christian, wrote in an Internet chat room. The Coptic Orthodox Church is one of the oldest communities in Christendom, believed to have been founded in the first century A.D. by the apostle Mark.

Authorities say the killings could have occurred during a robbery since no cash or valuables were found in the home. Prosecutor Guy Gregory said the father's wallet was found empty.

The Armanious family had been active in the church since immigrating to the United States in 1997 from Egypt, where Copts generally live in peace with Muslims.

The 2,000 mourners included about two dozen Muslims who took off their shoes as a sign of respect and placed them near the entrance to the church, just as they do in their mosques.

"We feel this is something that was very far away from our community," Ahmed Sheded, president of the Islamic Center of Jersey City, said after the service. "A real Muslim can't do that."

[Ace42]

Ill, Ill, Ill, I did warn you about posting opinion pieces of crackpots...

[Schmeltz]

Al-Qaeda is not only in the Middle East but in New Jersey


Wow. Somebody perpetrates a hate crime and all of a sudden there are terrorist sleeper cells festering away right next door. 100%ILL, how in the blue fuck can you possibly expect anybody with half a brain to take you even remotely seriously?

[ASsman]

Damn coon dunes.



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For clarification...


"Jihad" (ǧihād جهاد) is an Arabic word which comes from the Arabic root word "jahada"; which means "exerting utmost effort" or "to strive." The word connotes a wide range of meanings, from an inward spiritual struggle to attain perfect faith to holy war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad


Oh, and who gives a fuck about New Jersey white trash?

[YoungRemy]

Oh, and who gives a fuck about New Jersey white trash?

the slain family was from Egypt

[100% ILL]

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040209-115406-6221r.htm

Islamic extremists invade U.S., join sleeper cells

Islamic radicals are being trained at terrorist camps in Pakistan and Kashmir as part of a conspiracy to send hundreds of operatives to "sleeper cells" in the United States, according to U.S. and foreign officials.
The intelligence and law-enforcement officials say dozens of Islamic extremists have already been routed through Europe to Muslim communities in the United States, based on secret intelligence data and information from terrorists and others detained by U.S. authorities.

Al Qaeda sleeper cells are believed to be operating in 40 states, according to the FBI and other federal authorities, awaiting orders and funding for new attacks in the United States. Financed in part by millions of dollars solicited by an extensive network of bogus charities and foundations, the cells use Muslim communities as cover and places to raise cash and recruit sympathizers.

[ASsman]

the slain family was from Egypt
Really? Because I was being serious when I said that.

[D_Raay]

So, the possibility that this crime was perpertrated by anyone other than "terrorists" has been ruled out ? Someone making it look like terrorists? Seems more likely than the story.

[Schmeltz]

A) And you seriously think al-Qaeda is expending all this effort so they can perpetrate hate crimes on Coptic people?

B) What, two wars and how many thousands of dead people later, and al-Qaeda is operating in 40 states? Maybe it's time to try a new approach.

[ASsman]

We are arguing over an inbreds article....

Fight the liberal boycott
Judson Cox
January 10, 2005

A couple of years ago I lost my job at a small Virginia newspaper when liberal Democrats threatened a boycott unless my column was pulled. I learned then, that the Left — supposed advocates of free speech, democracy and diversity — are a well organized and wide spread collection of fascists determined to outlaw ideas that offend them, personally attack those who oppose them, and destroy the livelihoods of those who disagree with them......

...If conservatives can network well, we may all become rich and ready to take over arty little resort towns one day... just like gays!

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/cox/050110

Found that last bit pretty funny. And now we can see ILL for what he really is.

[YoungRemy]

Really? Because I was being serious when I said that.

i just didnt get your rhetorical question...


the writer of the article is white trash "from the mountains of North Carolina"



LEAVE THE JERSEY TRASH OUT OF THIS :D

[ASsman]

More drivel from this poor ignorant bastard.

"Over the past few decades though, our laws have become so twisted and perverted as to render the accepted interpretation of the religious aspect of the First Amendment to mean the exact opposite of the intention of those who wrote and ratified it. Now, instead of actively demanding that our federal laws not prevent the free expression and practice of religion, the ideology of secularism has been established as our official religion. That is, unless your religion is Islam, in which case the same groups that will file lawsuits to ban Christian prayer in schools, government offices and military bases, and who seek to remove every Christian symbol from public display, will champion your cause. The same ACLU that will demand a manger scene be removed from all local, state and federal property will demand that Muslim women be allowed to completely cover their faces on state issued driver's licenses."

"According to a new Fox News Poll, 96% of all Americans celebrate Christmas, and 87% of Americans believe that nativity scenes should be allowed on public property. Why then, is an incredibly small minority of malcontent secularists, atheists, militant Muslims and a few other crackpots allowed to dictate the religious practice and expression of 96% of all Americans, especially in direct contradiction to the highest laws of our nation? Because, Americans are accommodating folk. We champion the rights of minorities, even to our own inconvenience."

O_o Fox News. Militant Muslism, hahaha I'm loving this shit.

"
There comes, at some time, a break point — a point in which our tolerance has stretched too far and begins to snap. For instance, our tolerance of militant Islam (that was especially celebrated in the 1970's) came to a swift end when militant Islamists killed more than 3,000 of our citizens on the morning of September 11th, 2001. Our tolerance of homosexuals is rapidly deteriorating as less than 5% of the population seeks to force gay marriage on the 80% of Americans who oppose it. The break point for the tolerance of anti-Christian bigotry is coming; it may not happen this Christmas, but even a Christian can only turn the other cheek so many times."


Fucking fags, kites, and liberal swine! Im really getting pumped up by this, gonna get bessy and shoot me some sand niggers. Maybe even lynch some colored folk.

If you want to continue reading this laughable BS.

http://www.renewamerica.us/columns/cox/041220

[100% ILL]

When you consider the persecution the Coptic Christians have endured over the years in Egypt, it's not a far fetched story at all. The man and his wife fled from pesecution for their beliefs, only to be killed for them in the land of the free.
But who cares anyway huh? certainly not you guys.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/religion/publications/endangered/

Freedom House's findings are that:

The Copts are persecuted by radical Islamic groups and at times by local police and other security officials and they are discriminated against and have their freedom to worship hampered by the Egyptian Government. Specifically:

the government of Egypt has effectively restricted Christians from senior government, political, military, or educational positions, and there is increasing discrimination in the private sector.

The government of Egypt subsidizes media which attack Christianity and restricts Christians' access to the state-controlled media.

State-owned and state-controlled media allow Islamic preachers to engage in hate speech against Copts, while refusing Copts the chance to reply. This has contributed to increasing discrimination in everyday life and has helped to create an environment that can encourage terrorist violence.

The government of Egypt fails to take adequate measures to prevent the persecution and abuse of Copts at the local level, whether the perpetrators are terrorists, members of the community, or the government's own security forces.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26746

Why Egypt's Coptic Christians suffer
Writer insists church members 2nd-class citizens in Muslim nation

[ASsman]

Poor Christians.
Suddenly there seems little reason to respect anything you have to say.
Go pray to your false Gods.

[100% ILL]

Poor Christians.
Suddenly there seems little reason to respect anything you have to say.
Go pray to your false Gods.

Didn't know you knew the meaning of the word, much less how to implement it properly.

http://www.aina.org/news/20050118131122.htm

Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy would neither confirm nor deny that cops and prosecutors were looking into the religion motive, saying only that "nothing is being ruled out." But a relative of the mayor who answered the phone at Healy's home said there was information the murders were "religion-related."

"There are several theories we are looking into, but we are not commenting on any of them at this time," said Hudson County Assistant Prosecutor Guy Gregory.

Armanious' fervor apparently rubbed off on his daughter, Sylvia -- who would have turned 16 yesterday.

"She was very religious and very opinionated," said Jessica Cimino, 15, a fellow sophomore at Dickenson HS.

A family member who viewed photos of the bloodbath said Sylvia seemed to have taken the most savage punishment.

"When we saw the pictures, you could tell that they were hurt really, really bad in the face; especially Sylvia," said Milad Garas, the high-school sophomore's great-uncle.

[ASsman]

Didn't know you knew the meaning of the word, much less how to implement it properly.
And what word would that be? GOD? I really have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. Furthermore I think your account is on some sort of auto-respond. Because they make no sense, and you just continue to post that cock suckers articles. It really makes it easier to understand how you can interpret the Bible as factual history. And as for Christians being persecuted... Cry me a river, that's like crying over Nazi persecution. Sure they deserve rights, but have they earned them.
Nice job ignoring all the ACTUAL argument being made in this thread. Just ignore it all, just like the "right" chooses to ignore so many things.

[100% ILL]

And what word would that be?

Respect

And, all the articles are not by the same guy.

[yeahwho]

So, the possibility that this crime was perpertrated by anyone other than "terrorists" has been ruled out ? Someone making it look like terrorists? Seems more likely than the story.

Exactly (http://www.nynewsday.com/news/local/nyc-family0118,0,2235026.story?coll=nyc-homepage-breaking2)...
Investigators have dismissed many of the rumors swirling around the quadruple homicide and believe the motive to be robbery.

from the funeral, a muslim came to mourn,

Eventually, police restrained the mourner and escorted him out of the church. Amal's brother, Ayman Garas, vehemently rejected speculation that the killers were Muslims.

"We are the family, and we know better," he said. "All this is lies. Whoever told you that is lying. We don't know who did it -- Muslims, Christians, anyone."

Even so, the anti-Muslim sentiment could be seen written on placards and heard in the vitriol of mourners.

Judson Cox is an oppurtunist and tool. He doesn't want you to know the whole story....or let's just say the people in the U.S. media fuck with us daily. More will be revealed, definately by someone other than Judson Cox.

No Respect.

[ASsman]

Because you and the "right" knows so much of it. Especially say RESPECTing other cultures and/or religions. I'm not even sure what you are preaching anymore, you seem to be going backwards. So now Christian rights are being stepped on? Aren't there enough WASPs in the government to aleviate your pain?
Next time try to find a credible article, before you try and tell us we should be worrying about Christian rights.. When it is these same Christians that are trying to join church and state. Really I might help your cause if you don't have an article written by a bigot. Then maybe someone will give a shit. God the more I read the article I see so much wrong with it.

The likes of Michael Moore, who claim, "There is no terrorist threat," should be forced to view this atrocity
So now hate crimes are acts of terrorism? Holy shit, niggers y'all better start running.

The family was bound and tortured, before their throats were slit in accord with the instructions for executing nonbelievers, as detailed in the Koran: (47:4) "Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers, smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly [on them]."
See what I mean, backwards. Refer to the "Islam is violent" thread.

And, all the articles are not by the same guy.
I pointed everyone to some that were. And I don't care if they aren't, hell in my eyes I can't trust anything else that web site publishes. If they are willing to post biased ass crap like that, then I don't think I should trust anything they try to publish. And seeing as you seriously back this article up, and don't seem to see the bias. I think it is safe to assume you can't pick out any objective articles by yourself.

[100% ILL]

Because you and the "right" knows so much of it. Especially say RESPECTing other cultures and/or religions. I'm not even sure what you are preaching anymore, you seem to be going backwards. So now Christian rights are being stepped on? Aren't there enough WASPs in the government to aleviate your pain?

Respect does not necessarily mean to agree, and as you continue to demonstrate,you know nothing of it. Of course from what you usually demonstrate, snide comments and off color racial slurs I normally regard anything you have to say as sophomoric at best.

I've never run into a problem like this before from this site, but considering the nature of the article I can see why they chose to use a biased opinion as opposed to a more neutral piece, my apologies for not researching further before posting.

[ASsman]

That is all anyone wanted to hear. And as for my slurs, the least people like this man can do is be man about their inner racist. I make my point that way, people can talk around it all they want and spin however they want. But all they are inside is racist, atleast the KKK had the balls to say it, they didn't fuck around and hide their racism which is only fear. And I too am sorry for going off on you there, like I said before I wasn't sure if this article reflected what you ACTUALLY thought. Because if it did....

And as for my comments being "sophomoric".. Meh, just a little rant. To be taken as serious as this Man (editorial) News Article.

[valvano]

which exit is this Jihad being held?

:D

[ms.peachy]

Oh good god almighty. OK look maybe it is just because I am old that I can remember the first attempted World Trade Center bombing in 1993 but you know what was discovered after that? That, amongst the many, many, lovely, law abiding, family loving, upstanding cititizen-type Muslims in our community, there was a radical Islamic sect operating in Jersey City. So GUESS WHAT - this ain't news. Why is it suddenly like "Oh my god, the terrorists are in our neighborhoods!" WELL NO SHIT, it's not like they just arrived.

[ASsman]

What we should be worried about... are the Puerto Rican terrorist. Crazy motherfuckers. Hell we don't know when they are thinking about blowing shit up. There is no vauge ass color coded system of scardyness to tell us when we should be worried about them. Motherfuckers live on an ISLAND! A FUCKING ISLAND! And New York, and if that doesn't worry.. hell I don't know what will.

[Guilt]

Yo, everyone has there own view,but one ppl just start dissin' and pinting the blame on every muslim that aint cool, dudes.

For one there the jihad or which ever other freedom fighters believe in there own belifs. it really has NOTHINg to do with being a muslim jew or chris for real.

Anywho thats all i gotta say right now and RIP to the Family.
Later

[Qdrop]

Yo, everyone has there own view,but one ppl just start dissin' and pinting the blame on every muslim that aint cool, dudes.

For one there the jihad or which ever other freedom fighters believe in there own belifs. it really has NOTHINg to do with being a muslim jew or chris for real.

Anywho thats all i gotta say right now and RIP to the Family.
Later

god, that was barely comprehendible.....
"for one there the jihad or which ever ..."

umm....what?

[Guilt]

Sorry, my bad.
just forget what i said

[Qdrop]

Sorry, my bad.
just forget what i said

done.
:)

[Whois]

I think this says more about ILL than the writer of the article... or maybe I am mistaken.



Yes watch your neighbors closely, they might be part of the communist party.


Even better, shoot anyone who look like they might be even related to a terrorist. (y)

[ms.peachy]

Sorry, my bad.
just forget what i said

although it was not well written, I get what you were trying to say, and you're right. Don't feel so bad.

Just try typing a little slower next time, let your fingers catch up with your thoughts, mmkay?

[Alli]

"
There comes, at some time, a break point — a point in which our tolerance has stretched too far and begins to snap. For instance, our tolerance of militant Islam (that was especially celebrated in the 1970's) came to a swift end when militant Islamists killed more than 3,000 of our citizens on the morning of September 11th, 2001. Our tolerance of homosexuals is rapidly deteriorating as less than 5% of the population seeks to force gay marriage on the 80% of Americans who oppose it. The break point for the tolerance of anti-Christian bigotry is coming; it may not happen this Christmas, but even a Christian can only turn the other cheek so many times."


Haha apparently allowing Gay marriage means we all have to be Gay and marry . Those 5% of bastards trying to make us straight folk gay against our will!!

[Jasonik]

We Muslims quickly cry out and say this murderer could not be a Muslim. I respectfully disagree. If it is indeed a Muslim who brutally killed this family then that is a fact we have to accept, we can't simply say he or she is not a Muslim.

http://www.muslimwakeup.com/main/archives/2005/01/a_call_against.php

[Señor Stino]

Haha apparently allowing Gay marriage means we all have to be Gay and marry . Those 5% of bastards trying to make us straight folk gay against our will!!

:D idd, it makes me wonder if this "author" actually beliefs what he his writing himself, maybe he just likes to create confusion and hatred amongst the dumb, for example 100%ILL

it is also funny how, on the first page of this thread a lot of people (WITH common sense) made logical replies to the article, in fact breaking it down to less than nothing
and how 100%ILL does not respond to any of those replies and just continues to spill his utter BS on this MB,
100%ILL do you EVER, EVER question your own opinions? eeeeeeeever?

[100% ILL]

:D idd, it makes me wonder if this "author" actually beliefs what he his writing himself, maybe he just likes to create confusion and hatred amongst the dumb, for example 100%ILL

it is also funny how, on the first page of this thread a lot of people (WITH common sense) made logical replies to the article, in fact breaking it down to less than nothing
and how 100%ILL does not respond to any of those replies and just continues to spill his utter BS on this MB,
100%ILL do you EVER, EVER question your own opinions? eeeeeeeever?


I've never run into a problem like this before from this site,
my apologies for not researching further before posting.

I posted this earlier. But it's not too late to jump on the band wagon.

[Whois]

:D idd, it makes me wonder if this "author" actually beliefs what he his writing himself, maybe he just likes to create confusion and hatred amongst the dumb, for example 100%ILL

it is also funny how, on the first page of this thread a lot of people (WITH common sense) made logical replies to the article, in fact breaking it down to less than nothing
and how 100%ILL does not respond to any of those replies and just continues to spill his utter BS on this MB,
100%ILL do you EVER, EVER question your own opinions? eeeeeeeever?

The magic God ball says "No"...

[Señor Stino]

I posted this earlier. But it's not too late to jump on the band wagon.

sorry i did not see that, but still, so you did not read the article before posting or what?

because it is quite obvious that the article is for the mindless only,

[Jasonik]

It has been reported that Hossam Armanious was so involved in conversations on the Web site PalTalk.com that he became an administrator in one of the chat rooms.

One of his friends was quoted in a published report as saying that Hossam Armanious unintentionally slighted Muslims in a chat room on the site and that someone had threatened to "come after" him.

According to an online news article (http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/articles/15987342?source=Evening%20Standard) by a correspondent for the Evening Standard in England, extremist London-based Muslim Cleric Omar Bakri Mohammed makes live nightly appeals on PalTalk.com for his followers to support terrorist leader Osama bin Laden.

http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1106129521233140.xml

[SobaViolence]

Muslim Philosopher Rabi'ah Al'Adawiyah (717-801 CE)
a female Sufi (mystic) born in Basra.

'Oh God, if I worship You for fear
of Hell, burn me in Hell,
And if I worship You in hope of Paradise,
Exclude me from Paradise.
But if I worship You for Your own sake,
Grudge me not Your everlasting Beauty.'

[Qdrop]

Muslim Philosopher Rabi'ah Al'Adawiyah (717-801 CE)
a female Sufi (mystic) born in Basra.

'Oh God, if I worship You for fear
of Hell, burn me in Hell,
And if I worship You in hope of Paradise,
Exclude me from Paradise.
But if I worship You for Your own sake,
Grudge me not Your everlasting Beauty.'

should read more like this:

'Oh God, if I worship You for fear
of Hell, burn me in Hell,
And if I worship You in hope of Paradise,
Exclude me from Paradise.
But if I worship You for Your own sake,
you are a narcissistic ass. and i have no self worth.

[100% ILL]

http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/index.ssf?/base/news-3/1106129521233140.xml

Thanks for the update. It wasn't about race it was about the possibility of the act being a form of terrorism disguised as a hate crime.

[D_Raay]

Thanks for the update. It wasn't about race it was about the possibility of the act being a form of terrorism disguised as a hate crime.
Hey Ill,
Just curious if you've ever read Matthew chapter 25? I don't read the bible of course, but this chapter is particularlly ironic in respect to todays right wing christians.

[100% ILL]

Hey Ill,
Just curious if you've ever read Matthew chapter 25? I don't read the bible of course, but this chapter is particularlly ironic in respect to todays right wing christians.

Ironic in what sense?

[D_Raay]

Ironic in what sense?
It's pretty self explanatory if you've read the chapter.. I believe the meaning to be if you really love God, you should also love all of God's children. I don't think bombing them and trying to force democracy on them is loving them. Cruel unusual tough love maybe? <-sarcasm to be noted

[ASsman]

I think ILL should read that book they featured on The Daily Show. Forgot the name , tagline was "Why the Red has it wrong, and the Left never got it" or something. Points out the hypocrisy in todays "Christian" politicians.

[D_Raay]

I think ILL should read that book they featured on The Daily Show. Forgot the name , tagline was "Why the Red has it wrong, and the Left never got it" or something. Points out the hypocrisy in todays "Christian" politicians.
Yeah thats where I got the info from... Happened to have a copy of the Bible here and read that chapter... Curious book.

[100% ILL]

It's pretty self explanatory if you've read the chapter.. I believe the meaning to be if you really love God, you should also love all of God's children. I don't think bombing them and trying to force democracy on them is loving them. Cruel unusual tough love maybe? <-sarcasm to be noted

Matthew chapter 25 is about the second comming of Christ. Verses 1-25 are in reference to those who have the Holy Spirit as opposed to those who do not (the oil).

Verses 14-30 are in regard to those who claim to be servants, whether they are profitable (believers) or unprofitable (non believers)

verses 31-46 dicuss separating the sheep (believers) from the goats (non believers)

In the case of unblievers they are cast into outer darkness (vs 30) or everlasting fire (vs 41)

The believers or those with the Holy Spirit (oil) are admitted to the marriage (vs 10) made to be rulers in the kingdom (vs 23) granted eternal life (vs 46)

[D_Raay]

Can't believe I am actually doing this....
Matthew 25 v34-46
34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

And then the last cryptic line. As I said before, curious book. Doesn't give you much lee-way now does it? You see the point Ill?

[100% ILL]

34“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

40“The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’

41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.

44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45“He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

And then the last cryptic line. As I said before, curious book. Doesn't give you much lee-way now does it? You see the point Ill?

The point here is " The least of these brothers of mine." Jesus is God's Son so those who believe in him are the children of God and brothers of Christ.

For ye are the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus
Galatians 3:26


He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the Wrath of God abideth on him.
John 3:36

No, not any lee-way at all.

[Qdrop]

Draay...

don't bother....
ILL can "re-interpret" this shit all fucking day and night to fit his needs.....
-not even realizing that he is, by himself, pointing out the hypocrisy's within the very book he defends...

don't waste your finger strokes.....

[100% ILL]

Draay...

don't bother....
ILL can "re-interpret" this shit all fucking day and night to fit his needs.....
-not even realizing that he is, by himself, pointing out the hypocrisy's within the very book he defends...

don't waste your finger strokes.....

Re-interpret? It's clearly what it says. Watching an episode of "The Daily Show" does not constitute an understanding of Biblical passages, but you don't care anyway you just had to throw your two cents in and jump on the band wagon.

[D_Raay]

Draay...

don't bother....
ILL can "re-interpret" this shit all fucking day and night to fit his needs.....
-not even realizing that he is, by himself, pointing out the hypocrisy's within the very book he defends...

don't waste your finger strokes.....
I didn't realize it could be interpreted any other way, but he did it...
Guess this is why the argument will never end. Unless of course God himself explains it...

[adam_f]

My tenth grade World Cultures teacher called Jihads 'Jihizzles' in an attempt to be funny. It really wasn't.

[ASsman]

Jihads are people? And I bet hes white, or pretends to be.

[adam_f]

He also used to say 'Homey don't play dat'

[ASsman]

Pfff, that's wack!

[adam_f]

Fo shizzle.