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D_Raay
01-18-2005, 01:00 PM
Oh accountability, where have you gone? It's fucking ridiculous..

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2281&e=14&u=/thenation/20050117/cm_thenation/12130_1

Now that the Bush administration has finally stopped wasting millions of tax dollars each month on the futile search for the weapons of mass destruction it promised would be found in Iraq (news - web sites), it is time for an accounting.

First off, let's be clear about the fact that there was never any credible evidence to suggest that Iraq had a serious WMD program -- let alone the "stockpiles" of already-produced weaponry that the president and his aides suggested. Twenty-three members of the Senate and 133 members of the House rejected the intensive lobbying by the administration and the pliable press for the use-of-force resolution that Bush would use as his authorization to launch a preemptive war. Among those who voted "no" were the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, the chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee (news - web sites) and key members of the Senate and House committees responsible for intelligence, armed services and foreign relations -- all of whom had followed the issue for years and saw no evidence of a threat sufficient to justify an invasion of Iraq. Former President Jimmy Carter and others with long-term knowledge of the issues involved were critical of the rush to war, as were dozens of prominent players in the nation's political, foreign service, intelligence and military elites.

So the suggestion that there was broad acceptance of the premise that Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) possessed WMDs, or was deep into the process of developing them, is absurd. President Bush (news - web sites), Vice President Cheney and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice (news - web sites) had access to the same information as those who recognized that there was not a sufficient threat to merit military action by the United States. They chose to dismiss that information, and instead to peddle as genuine a fabricated threat.

When we look at what they said, however, it is clear that some pushed the lies more aggressively than others.

To be sure, Bush said outrageous things. For instance, in February 2002, he told the admittedly gullible folks at the American Enterprise Institute, "In Iraq, a dictator is building and hiding weapons that could enable him to dominate the Middle East and intimidate the civilized world -- and we will not allow it."

Unless he was referring to someone other than Saddam Hussein, Bush was wrong. Dramatically wrong. But not, arguably, as wrong as Vice President Dick Cheney (news - web sites) when he told the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention on August 26, 2002, that, "Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction."

Ouch, that's really wrong. Why, that's almost as wrong as when Cheney told an Air National Guard event in Denver on December 1, 2002, that, "Iraq could decide on any given day to provide biological or chemical weapons to a terrorist group or a terrorist individual." Or when Cheney appeared on NBC-TV's Meet the Press on March 16, 2003, to say of Saddam Hussein: "we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."

Long after it had become clear that the invading forces of the United States were not going to turn up any of the promised weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Cheney continued to promote the lie. Even after the arms inspector David Kay's report raised damning doubts about Iraq's ability to produce WMDs, Cheney told a crowd in Denver on November 7, 2003, that Saddam Hussein had "cultivated weapons of mass destruction and the means to deliver them."

Cheney's refusal to back off the WMD claim actually became an embarrassment to the Bush reelection campaign when the president was forced to say publicly in 2004 that he could not confirm the statements his own vice president was making.

So if even Bush backed away from Cheney, where was the vice president getting these crazy ideas?

Gee, could have been the national security advisor? Condoleezza Rice, the Dr. Strangelove of the Bush administration, spent much of 2002 promoting the fantasy that Iraq posed a nuclear threat. Famously, she declared on CNN on September 8, 2002, that, "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."

Don't expect Bush or Cheney appear before a Congressional committee to explain themselves anytime soon. But, conveniently, Rice will have to do so this week, as part of the process of reviewing her nomination to serve as Secretary of State. It seems as if this might be an appropriate point for Congress to begin holding the administration accountable.

Let's see, conspiracy to defraud the taxpayers, conspiracy to commit murder, misappropriation of government assets, lying to Congress, Barratry & Usurpation (Maritime sense)... that enough to start?

ASsman
01-18-2005, 01:09 PM
You seem tense, let's go to Hawaii. Fuck congress, jagoffs are as hard hitting as "Good Morning America" assholes.

dublirie04
01-18-2005, 01:21 PM
You seem tense, let's go to Hawaii. Fuck congress, jagoffs are as hard hitting as "Good Morning America" assholes.
Go to the Big Island---it is the chillest :D

Qdrop
01-18-2005, 02:23 PM
Fuck congress, jagoffs are as hard hitting as "Good Morning America" assholes.

HEY, did you SEE that interview this morning with the guy who shot himself in the head with nail-gun?...
that was some hard-hitting, truth probing interviewing....

katie doesn't back down, muther fucker!

ASsman
01-18-2005, 02:43 PM
No need to wake up that early. Especially not for that crap. And since I am still waiting to transfer schools.. no need for me wake up that early.

Ali
01-19-2005, 05:49 AM
Oh accountability, where have you gone? It's fucking ridiculous..

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=2281&e=14&u=/thenation/20050117/cm_thenation/12130_1



Let's see, conspiracy to defraud the taxpayers, conspiracy to commit murder, misappropriation of government assets, lying to Congress, Barratry & Usurpation (Maritime sense)... that enough to start? Who's going to prosecute them?

ASsman
01-19-2005, 08:42 AM
God, duh.

How about a lynch mob?

Ali
01-19-2005, 10:58 AM
God, duh. God's on the Payroll.

D_Raay
01-19-2005, 12:42 PM
Who's going to prosecute them?
I seem to recall there being special investigative commissions. Like the one that went after Mr. Clinton....

ASsman
01-19-2005, 12:45 PM
Like the one that handed Condi her ass?

D_Raay
01-19-2005, 12:53 PM
Like the one that handed Condi her ass?
Yes yes, that was a lovely ass-reeming....

ericg
01-20-2005, 11:32 PM
No, it really takes the american citizens here, you know, the one's with all the wherewithal to do it. Who the fuck does George think he is... All of them. They're all in check mate spiritually, this is our country, let's demote them off and show them how to run it right! What's overdue is the largest, effectual, organized call to action in history. Damn. Any one of Hollywood's famous could support/fund MoveOn and maybe all the rest (trumajority etc...) for 5 whole years, and yet the whole damn country can't seem to do ANYTHING even remotely to get things right. Make some phone calls Beasties... It's just that easy... Hooah!?! Sundance participants and all in affinity... in all their splendor and riches can pick it up and with who and what would follow after that I'm sure would provide legal grounds for re-growth, reconstuction and restoration of our Constitution and Bill of Rights... and everything else follows... Justice around the world. Turn it in and then we turn it out. Check it. In any other time when our military and security of the government wasn't so large, this would be an all out Civil War I'd think!!! Have we lost our spirit and right cause... For the life of me, I just can't understand and don't fathom why there's been a hold up for this damn long, while the world goes all wrong and wastes everything... technology, resources, time... for nothing but bullshit pain and hellish degeneration. It's painful and suffers the best. Enormous suffering that everyone seems to just calibrate themselves with. Are you kidding me. Like I love to rant and rave in this shit. I know I keep saying it. Not preaching to the choir. Just.... goin' on!