Cybersex man jailed for two years

[ASsman]

*ASsman feverishly deletes AIM logs*
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By John Leyden
Published Tuesday 25th January 2005 17:47 GMT

A Scottish man has been jailed for two years after pleading guilty to a "cybersex" session with a 13 year-old girl. Neil Ross, 31, of Dennistoun in Glasgow, will also be placed on the sex offenders' register following his conviction of lewd and libidinous behaviour.

The father of two was sentenced under "extended sentencing" regulations. Ross was warned he risked another five years in prison if he offends again. Early reports suggest the case is the first to involving a sexual offence against someone in a different room to go before Scottish courts.

Sheriff David Mackie of Alloa Sheriff Court told Ross: "Because of the gravity of the offence I have come to the conclusion that the only appropriate way to deal with you is by a custodial sentence. It is a matter of concern to me that you may not appreciate the gravity of the offence."

The BBC reports that Ross meet the unnamed girl in an internet chat room. He lied about his age, claiming he was 19, to gain her confidence prior to engaging in sex sessions over a live weblink. ®

http://www.theregister.com/2005/01/25/chatroom_abuse/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4205497.stm

[Running_Beastie]

Assman, I love how you open that post. It really gave me a good laugh.

[racer5.0stang]

So, what did the girl get? :rolleyes:

[ASsman]

It.

[racer5.0stang]

The same as the guy is getting right a/b now.

[Ali]

So, what did the girl get? :rolleyes:You sound worried...

[racer5.0stang]

You sound worried...

About what?

[Ali]

About what?About what the girl got.

[Qdrop]

So, what did the girl get? :rolleyes:

if she uses dial up? a crappy webcast and a $54.62 phone bill charge.

[Whois]

Yay, virtual sex crimes...

[racer5.0stang]

About what the girl got.

I guess the "old man" forced her to have cyber sex w/ him. She said that he was 19, so does that make it any better. She is only 13

[ms.peachy]

I guess the "old man" forced her to have cyber sex w/ him. She said that he was 19, so does that make it any better. She is only 13

I think we are all wanting you to clarify where your indignation lies. You seem to be implying that the 13 year old GIRL is as culpable as the 31 year old MAN.

[valvano]

if a child is produced as a result of cyber sex, is the isp subject to pay a portion of the child support?

[racer5.0stang]

I think we are all wanting you to clarify where your indignation lies. You seem to be implying that the 13 year old GIRL is as culpable as the 31 year old MAN.

Oh, make no mistake, I was joking a/b what the girl should get. I believe that the man got what he deserved, but it does take two to tango.

[racer5.0stang]

if a child is produced as a result of cyber sex, is the isp subject to pay a portion of the child support?


Would the child in question be considered A.I.?

[ms.peachy]

Oh, make no mistake, I was joking a/b what the girl should get. I believe that the man got what he deserved, but it does take two to tango.

So you reckon at 13 she had an absolutely clear idea of what she was getting into and was not likely coerced in any way then, eh?

[racer5.0stang]

So you reckon at 13 she had an absolutely clear idea of what she was getting into and was not likely coerced in any way then, eh?


I am sure that there was some sort of peer pressure. But look at what a 13 year old male or female does. MTV is the program of choice, then you have Teen magazine. I am sure sex is prevelent in his/her life. And to think that she is innocent, would be obsurd.

Just look at how kids dress now.

[ms.peachy]

I am sure that there was some sort of peer pressure .

At 31, he is hardly her "peer".


But look at what a 13 year old male or female does. MTV is the program of choice, then you have Teen magazine. I am sure sex is prevelent in his/her life. And to think that she is innocent, would be obsurd.

Just look at how kids dress now.

soooo, because she has seen these things on TV or in magazines, she by default has the emotional maturity to understand the implications of her actions. How do you figure?

Oh right, I forgot. Girls are just asking for it.

I know how we could fix this problem though - maybe if they all just wore veils and big shapeless garments and never were let out of the house without being accompanied by a male family member, none of this kind of stuff would happen.

[racer5.0stang]

At 31, he is hardly her "peer".

No but he was posing as a 19 yr. old. I was refering to her friends.

I know how we could fix this problem though - maybe if they all just wore veils and big shapeless garments and never were let out of the house without being accompanied by a male family member, none of this kind of stuff would happen.

That would be a bit extreme. But maybe if they would wear clothes that would be for a 13 yr old as opposed to a 19 yr. old

soooo, because she has seen these things on TV or in magazines, she by default has the emotional maturity to understand the implications of her actions. How do you figure?

I never said nor implied that she understood the consequences of her actions. Most girls and women are never "emotionally mature".

Oh right, I forgot. Girls are just asking for it.

It is kinda like wearing clothes that brings attention to your chest and then getting mad because someone stares at your breasts.

[yeahwho]

At 31, he is hardly her "peer".

soooo, because she has seen these things on TV or in magazines, she by default has the emotional maturity to understand the implications of her actions. How do you figure?

Oh right, I forgot. Girls are just asking for it.

I know how we could fix this problem though - maybe if they all just wore veils and big shapeless garments and never were let out of the house without being accompanied by a male family member, none of this kind of stuff would happen.

I love how some folks figure the adult is the victim. That 13 year old was forcing me to break the law.

(y) ms.peachy

[ASsman]

Hah, especially not an American 13yro girl. Jeez, hardly matured by 21. Now European chicks, that's a horse of a different color.

[racer5.0stang]

I love how some folks figure the adult is the victim. That 13 year old was forcing me to break the law.

(y) ms.peachy


I didn't say the adult was the victim, but what I did say is that both parties are guilty.

[ASsman]

That is why 13 year olds can drink and smoke. Oh, and get charged as adults.
Also, that is why nobody cares about 31 year olds having "cybersex" with them.

[ms.peachy]

I didn't say the adult was the victim, but what I did say is that both parties are guilty.

Yes you are right. She is guilty of being naive and unworldly, and of wanting desperately to be liked and fancied - as all 13 year olds are.

He is guilty of being a lying creepy paedo perv who willfully and knowingly took sexual advantage of a child by means of deception and manipulation.

You're so right, they pretty much share the blame equally :rolleyes:

[ASsman]

That is why molesting Priests aren't the only ones to blame.

[ms.peachy]

That is why molesting Priests aren't the only ones to blame.

well, you've seen the way some of them altar boys strut their stuff, ya know? I mean, what do they expect?

[racer5.0stang]

Yes you are right. She is guilty of being naive and unworldly, and of wanting desperately to be liked and fancied - as all 13 year olds are.

He is guilty of being a lying creepy paedo perv who willfully and knowingly took sexual advantage of a child by means of deception and manipulation.

You're so right, they pretty much share the blame equally :rolleyes:

She might be guilty of being naive, but definetly not unworldly. Haven't you seen the talk shows on T.V.? All the cool teenage (16 or younger) girls are on with their new born child and current boyfriend, who now is a father.

My point is that kids spend their time wanting to be older, so they do what they see the older kids doing. We as parents don't take the time to teach our children the value of being young, but instead sit them in front of the T.V. and let them watch their favorite celeb. How many families do you know that actually sit together to eat dinner?

But I agree, the man has ruined his life and his family's life (if he has a family).

But of course you are right and I am wrong. male vs. woman :D

[Rosie Cotton]

No but he was posing as a 19 yr. old. I was refering to her friends.
A nineteen year old and a thirteen year old are not peers. There is a HUGE gap in the mental and emotional capabilities of those age groups.

That would be a bit extreme. But maybe if they would wear clothes that would be for a 13 yr old as opposed to a 19 yr. old
Which is what? A burlap sack? I really want to know where you are going with this.

I never said nor implied that she understood the consequences of her actions. Most girls and women are never "emotionally mature".
That's right. Because our brains are in our vaginas.

It is kinda like wearing clothes that brings attention to your chest and then getting mad because someone stares at your breasts.
There is a difference between "looking" and "staring". Besides, some of us can't help it if they are noticable.

[ms.peachy]

She might be guilty of being naive, but definetly not unworldly. Haven't you seen the talk shows on T.V.? All the cool teenage (16 or younger) girls are on with their new born child and current boyfriend, who now is a father.


You have a very peculiar definition of the word 'worldly'. In fact, it seems to be quite the opposite of its denotation.

My point is that kids spend their time wanting to be older, so they do what they see the older kids doing. We as parents don't take the time to teach our children the value of being young, but instead sit them in front of the T.V. and let them watch their favorite celeb. How many families do you know that actually sit together to eat dinner?


I do know a few. If your point is that ADULTS (like 31-year old men, say) need to be more mindful of the fact that children (like 13 year old girls) need appropriate guidance because as young people they lack a higher level maturity and sophistication, then I agree. So I ask you again, how does that shift any "guilt" on to the part of the girl in question?

But I agree, the man has ruined his life and his family's life (if he has a family).

But of course you are right and I am wrong. male vs. woman :D

No, that's not why you're wrong.

[ASsman]

I tell you, he is making a case for all those Priests. Those kids are just as responsible for their molestation. And all those 13 year olds with being "preyed" on by pedophiles. If 13 year old are mature enough to use AIM, hell they should know better than to engange in "cyber sex" with "older" "guys", "really".

[racer5.0stang]

I tell you, he is making a case for all those Priests. Those kids are just as responsible for their molestation. And all those 13 year olds with being "preyed" on by pedophiles. If 13 year old are mature enough to use AIM, hell they should know better than to engange in "cyber sex" with "older" "guys", "really".

You seem to have a fervent interest in child molestation, particularly with the male children. Obviously you are a Catholic Priest. ;)

[ASsman]

Obviously.

And nice dodging, you'll be a spinster in no time.

[racer5.0stang]

I do know a few. If your point is that ADULTS (like 31-year old men, say) need to be more mindful of the fact that children (like 13 year old girls) need appropriate guidance because as young people they lack a higher level maturity and sophistication, then I agree. So I ask you again, how does that shift any "guilt" on to the part of the girl in question?

If the same 31 yr. old were to ask the same 13 yr. old to smoke a joint with him, and the girl accepted, would the total blame be on the man? Or would they share the blame?

The fact of the matter is we are assuming what actually happened between these two people. The girl could have easily lied a/b her age as well. She could have had cyber sex with multiple people before this incident and for whatever reason just got caught this time.

Or, like you said, she could have been totally innocent and pressured into this. It is possible that the truth may never be known.

[racer5.0stang]

A nineteen year old and a thirteen year old are not peers. There is a HUGE gap in the mental and emotional capabilities of those age groups.

So are you saying that a 13 yr. old cannot have friends that are 19? When I was growing up, the majority of my friends were older than me.

Which is what? A burlap sack? I really want to know where you are going with this.

Well, go to the mall or anywhere that young people hang out. I have seen kids wearing clothes that I would expect adults wearing at a club. Obviously all kids do not dress in that manner. But you have to wonder, since most of the kids in question are not old enough to drive, let alone work, who buys these clothes for them?

That's right. Because our brains are in our vaginas.

It has been argued that men think primarly with their penis.

There is a difference between "looking" and "staring". Besides, some of us can't help it if they are noticable.

Well you can justify it any way that you wish, but the fact is if you happen to blessed in that area, you don't have to let them hang out. I'm not saying cover up from head to toe, but I am saying that a girl doesn't have to wear a shirt that barely fits, just to get noticed.

I guess it is all a matter of discernment.

[Ali]

if a child is produced as a result of cyber sex, is the isp subject to pay a portion of the child support?<ali spits juice all over keyboard and has to go lie down>

Epic comment.

Re: dis tread, I didn't have time to read all of it, but I hear... I HEAR (b4 anybody starts) that these cybersex ninnies are all MAMM's (Middle Aged Married Masturbators) prahtending to be 13 year olds dressed in skimpy clothing and whatnot.

WTF was she doing there in the first place (or has this been discussed) in which case, my bad as you lovable American kids are wont to utter?

Here's a classic bit of cybersex (http://nerve.fugacious.net/drf/archives/cybersexchatroll.htm) (classic as in old but worth seeing again)

[ms.peachy]

If the same 31 yr. old were to ask the same 13 yr. old to smoke a joint with him, and the girl accepted, would the total blame be on the man? Or would they share the blame?

Uh, you are joking, right?

The fact of the matter is we are assuming what actually happened between these two people. The girl could have easily lied a/b her age as well. She could have had cyber sex with multiple people before this incident and for whatever reason just got caught this time.

Or, like you said, she could have been totally innocent and pressured into this. It is possible that the truth may never be known.

Hey everyone - guess who didn't actually read either of the articles provided in the links!

[Auton]

admittedly, he was right about the 13-year-olds-shouldnt-dress-like-19-year-olds thing, even though it really has nothing to do with the story. wasnt her fault she got sexually propositioned. poor kid.

[racer5.0stang]

Hey everyone - guess who didn't actually read either of the articles provided in the links!

You?

What information are you referring to?

[Ace42]

Yes you are right. She is guilty of being naive and unworldly, and of wanting desperately to be liked and fancied - as all 13 year olds are.

He is guilty of being a lying creepy paedo perv who willfully and knowingly took sexual advantage of a child by means of deception and manipulation.

You're so right, they pretty much share the blame equally :rolleyes:

Feh, so if he HAD been a 19 year old it would've been ok? I mean, technically it is the same crime. She is still a minor, a 19 year old is still an adult, and his age would not have had any bearing on how lewd or lacivious his comments were...

She is guilty of being a horny slut, who knowingly got herself off with a much older (and adult) guy (how much older is beside the point) who got a horny net user into trouble.

Check the AOL 18-20 chatrooms. FULL of young teenagers. Now, unless they are under the impression that 18-20 means your house number or some shit, I do not see how you can say those sort of people are not looking for trouble, and should not be surprised when they find it.

I myself have been propositioned online by underage girls lying about THEIR ages (exaggerating) in order to get cybersex. Now, as a literate and astute net user, it is not difficult for me to see through their less than cunning facade. But this is generally because girls (especially young teenage ones) can't use computers, not because I am a pillar of moral virtue. It is also because AOL users tend to be morons.

It is not inconceivable that an intelligent and precocious young slut could seduce an older man quite intentionally, and then end up landing him in it.

However, because of gender bias, of course it is going to be HIM that is called the pervert.

This is ignoring the fact that the internet is a TOOL, not a toy. Children should not be using it unsupervised any more than they should be using a spot-welder or any other power-tool.

I mean really, if she had been picking up 19 year olds in nightclubs, would you be pointing your finger and calling people perverts then?

I've known plenty of 13 year olds that have got themselves, and non-manipulative and trusting guys, into trouble because they are the worst kind of indiscrete sluts.

It is setting a dangerous precedent to expect horny lonely internet strangers to be nannying girls who should know better.

Hell, if she is that stupid I don't see what the big fuss is about anyway. She'd only end up drinking bleach or playing on train-lines anyway. Darwin award waiting to happen.

[ASsman]

Don't you mean the "God made you stupid because he loves you" award.

Wait until you have a 13 year old daughter (God forbid) , then you will see how it is wrong.

[Ace42]

Wait until you have a 13 year old daughter (God forbid) , then you will see how it is wrong.

I'd teach my offspring about why you don't go around trying to turn on older people while you are under age. And if the dirty slut went on a quest for cock, I'd not blame the object of her infernal lusts for her success.

[TABird of Pray]

I agre, the parents must take responsability for a 13yr old using the net. This girl was obveously unsupervised and had no business be on there any way.

[ms.peachy]

I'd teach my offspring about why you don't go around trying to turn on older people while you are under age. And if the dirty slut went on a quest for cock, I'd not blame the object of her infernal lusts for her success.


Your grasp of adolescent psychology is no less than stunning.

[Ace42]

Psychology doesn't come into it. There are plenty of slutty 13 year olds on a quest for orgasms, and they are more than willing to get experienced cock to provide them.

By all means put them in mental hospitals until they learn to control their desires. Don't let unbalanced irresponsible mental cases use power-tools.

You don't give suicidal angsty teens razor blades, you don't give cock-hungry sluts access to the biggest source of pornography on the face of the planet. You don't give Jason his machete. It is not exactly brain surgery.

[ms.peachy]

Psychology doesn't come into it. There are plenty of slutty 13 year olds on a quest for orgasms, and they are more than willing to get experienced cock to provide them.

By all means put them in mental hospitals until they learn to control their desires. Don't let unbalanced irresponsible mental cases use power-tools.

You don't give suicidal angsty teens razor blades, you don't give cock-hungry sluts access to the biggest source of pornography on the face of the planet. You don't give Jason his machete. It is not exactly brain surgery.

Heh. You had me going there for a second.

[Ace42]

You're just bitter because the horny 13 year olds are stealing all the 30 year old cyber-sex0rs.

[ms.peachy]

You're just bitter because the horny 13 year olds are stealing all the 30 year old cyber-sex0rs.

Too right!

[Ace42]

Put some pictures in the boobies thread, I'm sure you'd get "ample" attention. Muhuhuh.

[ms.peachy]

Put some pictures in the boobies thread, I'm sure you'd get "ample" attention. Muhuhuh.

Nah, I think I'm gonna go look for some altar boys with ASsman; I hear they're always up for it. Maybe tomorrow though.

[Rosie Cotton]

So are you saying that a 13 yr. old cannot have friends that are 19? When I was growing up, the majority of my friends were older than me.
What the hell were they doing hanging out with you? I could barely tolerate thirteen year olds when I was thirteen, there's no fucking way I would hang out with them now that I'm in my twenties.

Well, go to the mall or anywhere that young people hang out. I have seen kids wearing clothes that I would expect adults wearing at a club. Obviously all kids do not dress in that manner. But you have to wonder, since most of the kids in question are not old enough to drive, let alone work, who buys these clothes for them?
I don't know about you, but I got an allowance. And I didn't always go shopping with my parents. It's quite possible they buy their own clothes.

It has been argued that men think primarly with their penis.

Sigh..........
I don't think you understood me.

Well you can justify it any way that you wish, but the fact is if you happen to blessed in that area, you don't have to let them hang out. I'm not saying cover up from head to toe, but I am saying that a girl doesn't have to wear a shirt that barely fits, just to get noticed.
You do realize that sometimes, even if we are covered up, those lumps of fat are noticeable, right? And do you also realize that there is a difference between a woman showing off a little cleavage to get a man's attention, and some perv staring while a woman crosses the street wearing jeans and a baggy t-shirt? No, of course you don't.

[racer5.0stang]

What the hell were they doing hanging out with you? I could barely tolerate thirteen year olds when I was thirteen, there's no fucking way I would hang out with them now that I'm in my twenties.

The point that I was making is people typically have some friends that are older than they are.

I don't know about you, but I got an allowance. And I didn't always go shopping with my parents. It's quite possible they buy their own clothes.

Well thats fantastic. I'm sure it was enough to buy whatever your little heart desired. Actually it would explain why these kids dress the way that they do.

You do realize that sometimes, even if we are covered up, those lumps of fat are noticeable, right? And do you also realize that there is a difference between a woman showing off a little cleavage to get a man's attention, and some perv staring while a woman crosses the street wearing jeans and a baggy t-shirt? No, of course you don't.

I guess you have failed to realize that the way you dress and act determine how people view you as a person.

[ASsman]

Or how many Bible books you know by heart.

[racer5.0stang]

Or how many Bible books you know by heart.


Or how many racial slurs you know.

[ASsman]

Shutup redneck.

[racer5.0stang]

Shutup redneck.

Wow, I figured you would have come up with something better than that. But, alas, the feeble minded can only do so much.

[Ace42]

It *was* irony. However, as racial slurs go, he could've called you a hick. Or implied you live in a trailer-park and watch a lot of Jerry Springer.

[ASsman]

Wow, I figured you would have come up with something better than that. But, alas, the feeble minded can only do so much.
Honkey.

[Rosie Cotton]

The point that I was making is people typically have some friends that are older than they are.
A six year difference?! Six years is a HUGE difference when both parties are still in their teens. I'm sorry,but MOST nineteen year olds do not want to hang out with thirteen year olds. And the ones that do deserve a little extra attention.

Well thats fantastic. I'm sure it was enough to buy whatever your little heart desired. Actually it would explain why these kids dress the way that they do.
Pfft. Ten bucks a week doesn't go very far. When I bought clothes (which wasn't that often) I'd just go to a thrift store.

I guess you have failed to realize that the way you dress and act determine how people view you as a person.
That's right. If some meth addicted pervert gropes me, it's my fault. I'm a skank. You are so right. Dumb little me.

[ASsman]

Yah, we've all made that point.

Obviously too much Bible, not enough sense. Don't bother continuing.


Here, not completly related, still interesting.

Kids' blogs a 'paedophile's dream'

A forensic psychologist has warned that children's blogs pose new threat to children online. She said blogs are "a paedophile's dream", because of the insight they give into a child's life, habits and movements.
...
http://www.theregister.com/2005/01/28/net_dangers_blog/