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ASsman
01-27-2005, 07:17 AM
Because in capitalism, we need not worry. And of course M$ hasn't created a monopoly, you crazy pinko commie.
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Government wants to make sure the upcoming OS complies with antitrust ruling.

James Niccolai, IDG News Service
Wednesday, January 26, 2005

Microsoft will meet with representatives from the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) next month for the first of several briefings intended to ensure that its upcoming Longhorn operating system complies with the terms of the final judgment in the government's antitrust case against the software maker.



In court papers filed Tuesday, the government also said that its technical committee raised concerns about whether Windows XP and Service Pack 2 are in compliance with the judgment. Microsoft replied to those concerns recently and the government is reviewing its responses, it says.

The developments are outlined in a joint status report filed by Microsoft and the DOJ on the software maker's progress in complying with the judgment, approved in November 2002. Among the requirements, Microsoft has to make it easy for customers to use non-Microsoft middleware products with its operating systems, including Web browsers and media players. The goal is to prevent Microsoft from using the ubiquity of Windows to lock rivals out of the market.

The government already said it was talking to Microsoft about ensuring Longhorn's compliance with the measures. In its status report Tuesday the DOJ says the first meeting with Microsoft is scheduled for mid-February, when its scrutiny of Longhorn will "begin in earnest." The desktop version of Longhorn is expected in 2006 and the server version in 2007.

The DOJ also completed its analysis of Windows XP and Service Pack 2, which involved running hundreds of tests to check how the operating system behaves in relation to third-party middleware products.

"The work has identified several circumstances in which further information from Microsoft is needed to determine whether Windows satisfactorily honors user middleware choices," the government writes. It does not provide specifics.

Settlement Details

The 2002 judgment also required Microsoft to document and license Windows communications protocols to make it easier for vendors to develop products that work with its operating system. The government has complained that Microsoft was behind schedule with the work, and also chided it for releasing the documents in a format that can't be annotated and only work with Internet Explorer.

Microsoft has now agreed to release the documents in Adobe's PDF (Portable Document Format) by the end of June, according to the latest status report. The parties also developed a new, two-part plan for ensuring the documents are complete and accurate--although it will take up to a year to complete: The government's technical committee will develop a prototype implementation of each task covered by the protocols, and Microsoft will release a network parsing tool to help companies that have licensed the protocols develop products.

The technical committee also plans to hire an additional 20 engineers for the documentation project, the government says.

Microsoft says in its part of the progress report that complying with the judgment continues to be an important priority for the company.

"While issues inevitably will arise, Microsoft has worked diligently and cooperatively to respond to and resolve all inquiries from plaintiffs," its lawyers write.

Two additional companies--server maker Unisys and video software company vBrick Systems--have licensed the communications protocols, bringing the total to 21, Microsoft says. Six licensees are now shipping products that use protocols released under the licensing program--Cisco Systems, EMC, Network Appliance, StarBak Communications, VeriSign, and Tandberg Data, the company says.

Critics have charged that the judgment against Microsoft did not go far enough to rein in the power of its monopoly or penalize it for its past ills, and several U.S. states had been pushing for stiffer penalties. The European Union has since enforced tougher sanctions, including a requirement that Microsoft sell a version of Windows in Europe without its Windows Media Player and license additional communications protocols.

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119459,00.asp

Whois
01-27-2005, 11:23 AM
Don't forget those DRM tools!

EN[i]GMA
01-27-2005, 03:01 PM
Don't forget those DRM tools!

I agree. Longhorn has things in it I don't like. And do you know how I may voice my dislike? By not purchasing it. You are free to do likewise and use one of the dozens of competing operating systems.

And this article doesn't even say anything. It's critisizing a beta build or a product that will barely work when it's released. No need to start bitching now.

"The DOJ also completed its analysis of Windows XP and Service Pack 2, which involved running hundreds of tests to check how the operating system behaves in relation to third-party middleware products.

"The work has identified several circumstances in which further information from Microsoft is needed to determine whether Windows satisfactorily honors user middleware choices," the government writes. It does not provide specifics."

Means absolutely nothing. "Middleware" (Asinine term) works fine on Windows. If you think MS is going to force you to use IE (Which they give away for free with the OS since Explorer is it's shell) you're a moron. They gain NOTHING from you using IE as opposed to Firefox.

This is just a bunch of computer illiterate twats whining about big bad Microsoft.

ASsman
01-27-2005, 07:41 PM
Suck me off. I would like you hear you say "computer illiterate" whilst blowing me.


Critics have charged that the judgment against Microsoft did not go far enough to rein in the power of its monopoly or penalize it for its past ills, and several U.S. states had been pushing for stiffer penalties. The European Union has since enforced tougher sanctions, including a requirement that Microsoft sell a version of Windows in Europe without its Windows Media Player and license additional communications protocols.

Really, I would enjoy it. You are any who think like you will see it, atleast not soon enough. Then when the end comes, you can all put your head between your knees and suck your own dicks.

And for everyone else without a dong in their mouth. Interesting article, kind of long but good....
"The IT industry is shifting away from Microsoft "
http://theinq.com/?article=13350

FunkyHiFi
01-28-2005, 03:12 AM
I say poo-poo to Microsoft products; I'm going to dig around on eBay for one of these (http://oldcomputers.net/trs80i.html) babys!

yeahwho
01-28-2005, 05:26 AM
I say poo-poo to Microsoft products; I'm going to dig around on eBay for one of these (http://oldcomputers.net/trs80i.html) babys!

That is sweet! Dude, you've got game. Chicks dig that. (y) ;) HOO-HAH!

ASsman
01-28-2005, 08:27 AM
I have the lap-top version of that.

TRS-80 Model 100

http://drwho.virtadpt.net/pictures/h2k2/trs-80-100.jpg

I play pong on it.

Whois
01-28-2005, 11:07 AM
I say poo-poo to Microsoft products; I'm going to dig around on eBay for one of these (http://oldcomputers.net/trs80i.html) babys!

They're the SHIT, hours of fun when I was in High School...Dog I'm old.

ASsman
01-28-2005, 11:57 AM
You can't be serious, can you?

FunkyHiFi
01-28-2005, 01:17 PM
ASsman: sometimes the simple stuff is more fun. Just look at how popular those $20 hand-held retro video game systems are, the ones that have the oldies-but-goodies like Frogger, Galaga, Centipede, etc. And, no bloody sword duals or people getting shot. (y)

Whois
01-28-2005, 01:22 PM
ASsman: sometimes the simple stuff is more fun. Just look at how popular those $20 hand-held retro video game systems are, the ones that have the oldies-but-goodies like Frogger, Galaga, Centipede, etc. And, no bloody sword duals or people getting shot. (y)

I was into playing the old school video games using MAME for about a year...great stuff.

Now I'm playing some great old games for Amiga.

BGirl
01-28-2005, 01:38 PM
I say poo-poo to Microsoft products; I'm going to dig around on eBay for one of these (http://oldcomputers.net/trs80i.html) babys!

That was the first computer I ever used, waaaay back in middle school. The memories!

10 PRINT "HELLO"
20 GOTO 10

I may have a syntax error, it's been a while. I remember loading up games from the tape player. Good times. (y)

(I'm sitting in front of an iMac G5 now - how times have changed!)

ASsman
01-28-2005, 05:01 PM
Old mofos.

BGirl
01-28-2005, 05:07 PM
Hahaha... yup

yeahwho
01-28-2005, 05:11 PM
Pong graphics are awesome. I have a script in the bag for

"Pong (http://www.syssrc.com/html/museum/html/abcnews/)" Up Against the Wall, an Imax 3D adventure into the intense insane crazy world of post punchcard gaming.

synch
01-28-2005, 05:35 PM
Bunch of old geeks!


I played moon buggy on one of those


Just to say something vaguely on-topic...

When are they going to go after Electronic Arts?

Whois
01-28-2005, 05:48 PM
Old mofos.

I'm so old...I actually remember what an Altair 8800BT is.

Ace42
01-28-2005, 05:52 PM
My collection of obsolete computers includes (fully working last I checked)

Several BBC micros of various versions, a ZX+, ZX+2 and ZX+3 sinclair spectrum, an old radio-shack amstrad micro, and an Amstrad CPC.

Whois
01-28-2005, 05:57 PM
My collection of obsolete computers includes (fully working last I checked)

Several BBC micros of various versions, a ZX+, ZX+2 and ZX+3 sinclair spectrum, an old radio-shack amstrad micro, and an Amstrad CPC.

Wait until you get married, she'll make you throw it all out.

*pouts at wife*

Ace42
01-28-2005, 06:01 PM
The day I throw out my computers is the day she takes a trip to the landfill in an ill-fitting bin-liner.

synch
01-28-2005, 06:08 PM
I have 2 msx'es, two Texas Instruments TI99's, an Atari ST, 2600 and 7800, a few old Mac's from the LC series and a bunch of consoles, old and new.

Whois
01-28-2005, 07:07 PM
The day I throw out my computers is the day she takes a trip to the landfill in an ill-fitting bin-liner.
(y) ;)