Voting In Iraq--Liberals take another shot to the ball bag!

[EF shhhh Hutton]

Chalk another victory up for GW and his cast of Merry men. oh wait, it's about oil. OIL! OIL! OIL! (uh huh)LOL


I guess having the chance to vote is a bad thing, right liberals?

Go ahead and spin!

[phinkasaurus]

Source (http://dc.indymedia.org/feature/display/116540/index.php)

What were Iraqis voting for?
Current rating: 3
by ccb
31 Jan 2005
Modified: 11:20:07 AM
Watching the news directly before the election, one learns that many Iraqis have no water, no electricity, plenty of sewage seeping up and filling streets and playgrounds, and in the second largest oil-producing country in the world, no gasoline.
What was the Iraqi election about?

Juan Cole (http://www.juancole.com/) provides a sobering reminder of how this election actually came about, after mass demonstrations by the Shia early in 2004 and against the wishes of the Bush administration. Mahmood Mamdani, in his book Good Muslim, Bad Muslim, reminds us of the cold war, Reagan's war against the "evil empire" where the US sponsored terrorism in Nicaragua and El Salvador to convince people to vote "our way." If you don't want your harbors mined, vote against the Sandinistas. If you don't want death squads, vote right.

And as Mamdani recently pointed out(http://www.alternatives.ca/article1557.html), the destruction of Fallujah as collective punishment for the city's harboring insurgents is a classic case of using terror for political ends.

As the world's richest and most technologically advanced superpower occupies one of the world's most oil-rich countries, and citizens have to line up for **days** in order to get a tank of gas, it is understandable that some may come to the conclusion that there is some intentionality in the current state of affairs for the ordinary Iraqi, and if showing up to the polls can persuade Bush to turn on the power again, it is worth it.

But Iraq is not El Salvador, it is not Nicaragua. The US supply line for its occupation stretches halfway around the world, and the road from the airport to Baghdad isn't even secure.

US TV repeatedly showed (without any explanation) Iraqi voters singing and dancing around the flag of -- Kurdistan.

Plus, as Cole reminds us, this was Sistani's election, the one he called for and had to wait a year for, not Bush's.
See also:
http://people-link5.inch.com/pipermail/portside/Week-of-Mon-20040412/005749.html
http://www.wbez.org/DWP_XML/wv/2004_05/wv_20040510_1200_2253/episode_2253.ram




now it's your turn, EF shhhh Hutton. Spin it for the neo-conservatives. Oh, wait, y'all own the media. It's aready been spun.

[yeahwho]

Chalk another victory up for GW and his cast of Merry men. oh wait, it's about oil. OIL! OIL! OIL! (uh huh)LOL


I guess having the chance to vote is a bad thing, right liberals?

Go ahead and spin!

Thanks for the comic relief Hutton.

[Echewta]

Billions of dollars, thousands of lives, dozens of lies, and a force democracy for a day of elections? If the price is worth it, then I guess its worth it.

8 billion dollars in Iraqi oil money missing which was in our care. Hmmmmm. Oil, oil, oil...

[Whois]

Classic stupidity: "Only libruls oppose our glorious leader..."

[ASsman]

Chalk another victory up for GW and his cast of Merry men. oh wait, it's about oil. OIL! OIL! OIL! (uh huh)LOL


I guess having the chance to vote is a bad thing, right liberals?

Go ahead and spin!
Hahah, whose doing the chalking..? You..?

What a dipshit.

And who said it was about oil? Dude he had WMDS!!!! Wether or not we find them, or any grain of evidence that they ever existed. Or was it the terrorist connections? Ooops, I was just told I never said that.

So as long as SOME "good" can come from mass-murder and illegal occupation... it totally justifies the action?


Excellent, I heard Stalin totally pushed Russia into an industrial revolution. He should he herald as a hero.
Oh, and Hitler had the strongest economy during WWII, only needed to use Jews for slave labor.

And Im not even getting into aruing wether or not this election is legitimate. Now hold still while I finish off on your face. MONEYSHOT!

[Whois]

^Cream rinse^

:D

[yeahwho]

Here is a more sobering look at the voting euphoria in Iraq. Call it spin, but really this is just scratching the surface of GWB's ill thought out vision for America. We're the ones footing the bill for all this. Made in America means something completly different to this administration. We export military action.

Do you really think all GWB wants in return from all this is for the Iraqi's to have the ability to vote?

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January 31, 2005
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Acts of Bravery
By BOB HERBERT NYTimes

You'd have to be pretty hardhearted not to be moved by the courage of the millions of Iraqis who insisted on turning out to vote yesterday despite the very real threat that they would be walking into mayhem and violent death at the polls.

At polling stations across the country there were women in veils holding the hands of children, and men on crutches, and people who had been maimed during the terrible years of Saddam, and old people. Among those lined up to vote in Baghdad was Samir Hassan, a 32-year-old man who lost a leg in the blast of a car bomb last year. He told a reporter, "I would have crawled here if I had to."

In a war with very few feel-good moments, yesterday's election would qualify as one. But as with any positive development in Iraq, this one was riddled with caveats. For one thing, dozens of people were, in fact, killed in election day attacks. And shortly after the polls closed, a British military transport plane crashed northwest of Baghdad.

So there was no respite from the carnage.

And we should keep in mind that despite the feelings of pride and accomplishment experienced by so many of the voters, yesterday's election was hardly a textbook example of democracy in action. A real democracy requires an informed electorate. What we saw yesterday was an uncommonly brave electorate. But it was woefully uninformed.

Much of the electorate was voting blind. Half or more of those who went to the polls believed they were voting for a president. They weren't. They were electing a transitional national assembly that will have as its primary task the drafting of a constitution. The Washington Post noted that because of the extreme violence that preceded the election "almost none of the 7,700 candidates for the National Assembly campaigned publicly or even announced their names."

As John F. Burns put it in The Times yesterday:

"Half a dozen candidates have been assassinated. As a result, the names of all others have not been made public; they were available in the last days of the campaign on Web sites inaccessible to most Iraqis, few of whom own computers."

"Democracy," according to "The Oxford Companion to Politics of the World," "refers to a form of government in which, in contradistinction to monarchies and aristocracies, the people rule."

That is not the case in Iraq and is not likely to be the case soon. In much of Iraq the people exist in a kind of hell on earth, at the mercy of American forces on the one hand and a variety of enraged insurgents on the other. Despite the pretty words coming out of the Bush administration, the goals of the U.S. and the goals of most ordinary Iraqis are not, by a long stretch, the same.

The desire of the U.S., as embodied by the Bush administration, is to exercise as much control as possible over the Middle East and its crucial oil reserves. There is very little concern here about the plight of ordinary Iraqis, which is why the horrendous casualties being suffered by Iraqi civilians, including women and children, get so little attention.

What most ordinary Iraqis have been expressing, not surprisingly, is a desire for a reasonably decent quality of life. They are a long way from that.

In large swaths of the country, death at the hands of insurgents seems always just moments away. It's also extremely easy for innocent Iraqis to get blown away by Americans. That can occur if drivers get too close - or try to pass - an American military convoy. Or if confusion arising from language barriers, or ignorance of the rules, or just plain nervousness results in an unfortunate move by a vehicle at a checkpoint. Or if someone objects too vociferously to degrading treatment by U.S. forces. Or if someone is simply suspected, wrongly, of being an insurgent.

Crime in many areas is completely out of control. Kidnapping for ransom, including the kidnapping of children, is ubiquitous. Carjackings are commonplace. Rape and murder are widespread.

In a country with the second-largest oil reserves in the world, drivers have to wait in line for hours at a time for gasoline. Electric power is available just a handful of hours a day. Unemployment rates are sky high. With many women destitute, prostitution is a growth industry.

Iraqis may have voted yesterday. But they live in occupied territory, and the occupiers have other things on their minds than the basic wishes of the Iraqi people. That's not democracy. That's a recipe for more war.

[ASsman]

To get an Iraqi perspective on the election, we go to Baghdad to speak with retired Iraqi engineer Ghazwan Al-Mukhtar. Mukhtar says, "What do I do with democracy? Does it allow me to walk across the street without being feared of being kidnapped or being shot at or being mugged or being stolen? Would democracy feed my children? Would democracy allow me to quench my thirst? The U.S. has not done anything at all to improve the life of Iraqi people." [includes rush transcript]
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/01/31/1517201


OOHHHH SHIT!!! Better start writing your answer, in essay format. You'll have 45 minutes, please take your time and proofread your work.

[ASsman]

GHAZWAN AL-MUKHTAR: I do not believe that the election is legitimate, the election is held under the occupation. The occupying power has modified the basic rules in Iraq as to who is an Iraqi and who is not. The election was shoved down our throat because all the major parties, including Allawi's party, requested that the election be postponed. That was in November. And before even the independent electoral commission could decide on the request, that President Bush said he does not want the election to be postponed and Ambassador Negroponte said, oddly enough, it came from Fallujah. He was in Fallujah, and declared that the elections will be held on the January 30. It is an Iraqi election, it is not a U.S. election, it is not Negroponte's election, it is the Iraqi people's election. So, if the Iraqi parties wanted to postpone the election, they should have been able to do so without the interference of the United States government.
OH! DAMN! When will you stop Ghazwan! WHEN!

[Echewta]

hhaa, that made me laugh out loud at my desk and then cover my mouth with my hand and stuff.

[infidel]

Some Just Voted for Food

Read here why the turnout was so high http://www.ipsnews.net/africa/interna.asp?idnews=27256

To make people choose between risking their lives by voting and facing starvation by not voting is not democratic.

It's about creating the appearance of a democracy.

If you were told you couldn't get your paycheck unless you voted would you think that was right? Don't you think "None of the above" should be an option?

[EF shhhh Hutton]

keep them coming. LOL..this is great!

[Echewta]

I wonder how much the Iraq people knew about who they were voting for? Did they hear speeches from the people? Did they even know what they were voting for?

[K-nowledge]

Go ahead and spin![/QUOTE]

It's "spinning" out of control.
But what else could we expect from the liberal quacks that control..err, visit this message board.

[Ace42]

Oh, what a surprise, the morons have come to brag about something they do not understand without acknowledging any of the facts.

Perhaps this is indicative of low self-esteem due to an inability to correctly resolve Cognitive Dissonance (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=cognitive%20dissonance).

Or perhaps it is just indicative of the widespread tolerance for incest in the US.

[DroppinScience]

But what else could we expect from the liberal quacks that control..err, visit this message board.

Us liberal quacks -- in partnership with the Jews -- control this forum. You do know that, right? :D

[Whois]

Originally Posted by K-nowledge
But what else could we expect from the liberal quacks that control..err, visit this message board.
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Like you?

Do you ever see those black UN helicopters...

[ASsman]

I think someone needs to take the "Gay Test". LOL OL OL OLOLL L L

[K-nowledge]

What do "the Jews" have anything to do with it?

[ASsman]

Like you'd know, or bother to learn.

[DroppinScience]

What do "the Jews" have anything to do with it?

Since they control the media -- and the media is LIBERAL -- we felt it best to align our interests with them in controlling the world.

Take THAT, Illuminati! ;)

[K-nowledge]

Like you'd know, or bother to learn.

The only thing I need to learn is how to change your repulsive avatar.

[yeahwho]

keep them coming. LOL..this is great!


"Without the arrogant, unilateral, arbitrary, imperialistic, warmongering, violent, bloody, possibly illegal manner in which the US government did it, how was democracy ever going to be born in Iraq? "

EF-

You seem to be a big "we did it to bring democracy to Iraq therefore it was all good" type.

So, I have a question for you. If we as a nation are so altruistic and ready to help all those oppressed, are you prepared to put boots on the ground in the Congo to help stop the greatest humanitarian tragedy since the Cultural REvolution?

No, of course you aren't because that doesn't make strategic sense.

So, quit pretending that altruism has anything to do with it. It doesn't, nor should it.

[ASsman]

The only thing I need to learn is how to change your repulsive atatar.
Eat it.

Called War casualties, deal with it.

[D_Raay]

The only thing I need to learn is how to change your repulsive avatar.
What, you think ridiculing McDonalds is offensive you right wing dimwitted moron? Don't even bring me into this....
Food or not vote....hmmmmmmmmm...that's a toughie... I have no power, no food, no gas(in a major oil-producing country), my living room is bubbling over with human waste from the septic sytems that the "liberators" so kindly blew up for me, hmmmmm tough fucking choice isn't it?
Why don't you fucking right wing idiots jump in an Iraqui person's shoes for a few months and just see what you will do to have not have to sleep in dung with no lights and no food and constant bombardment from your "liberators".
Wake up and smell what your shoveling you fucking nonsensical hooplehead.
The world is not wrong, you are wrong, and easily influenced by anything you read or see on TV. Common sense is there, just look for it. Or do you need "American Idol" to point it out for you to see it?

Oh and EF Hutton, take a crack at sucking youself off, because that's about your level of altruism.

[Ali]

What, you think ridiculing McDonalds is offensive you right wing dimwitted moron? Don't even bring me into this....
Food or not vote....hmmmmmmmmm...that's a toughie... I have no power, no food, no gas(in a major oil-producing country), my living room is bubbling over with human waste from the septic sytems that the "liberators" so kindly blew up for me, hmmmmm tough fucking choice isn't it?
Why don't you fucking right wing idiots jump in an Iraqui person's shoes for a few months and just see what you will do to have not have to sleep in dung with no lights and no food and constant bombardment from your "liberators".
Wake up and smell what your shoveling you fucking nonsensical hooplehead.
The world is not wrong, you are wrong, and easily influenced by anything you read or see on TV. Common sense is there, just look for it. Or do you need "American Idol" to point it out for you to see it?

Oh and EF Hutton, take a crack at sucking youself off, because that's about your level of altruism. Flamed

[RaceDoctor]

I think this is (n) Because there is lots of Turkish people and there have no future protection nomore and they will kick up from their hometowns in Iraq!

[ASsman]

What the fuck? Are you high, or am I?

[EF shhhh Hutton]

One of these days, like the Germans long after Hitler was gone, you Libs will come to your senses.

(or wait, maybe you would have felt better if all the voters were blown up by suicide bombers. Anything to "damn" Bush, right guyd? Right!)

[K-nowledge]

What, you think ridiculing McDonalds is offensive you right wing dimwitted moron? Don't even bring me into this....
Food or not vote....hmmmmmmmmm...that's a toughie... I have no power, no food, no gas(in a major oil-producing country), my living room is bubbling over with human waste from the septic sytems that the "liberators" so kindly blew up for me, hmmmmm tough fucking choice isn't it?
Why don't you fucking right wing idiots jump in an Iraqui person's shoes for a few months and just see what you will do to have not have to sleep in dung with no lights and no food and constant bombardment from your "liberators".
Wake up and smell what your shoveling you fucking nonsensical hooplehead.
The world is not wrong, you are wrong, and easily influenced by anything you read or see on TV. Common sense is there, just look for it. Or do you need "American Idol" to point it out for you to see it?

Oh and EF Hutton, take a crack at sucking youself off, because that's about your level of altruism.

You should check who you call dimwitted, Jackoff! I am not ridiculing McDonalds(even though I cannot stand that shit) It's the 9-11 thing that is repulsive.
Your loacation says your in Virginia. Now your eather some dumb kid that got on your parents computer after they went went to bed or just a moron. I do not see any bombed out toilets in Virginia. If you did live in Iraq before, than why do you come to America and ridicule it. Lastly, if you live in Iraq now why would you list your location as Virginia? are you ashamed and want poeple to think you live in the U.S. What's the deal? The only conclusion that I come up with is that your the dimwitted moron.

P.S. American Idol Sucks!

[Ace42]

And I thought having six fingers would improve typing skills...

[D_Raay]

You should check who you call dimwitted, Jackoff! I am not ridiculing McDonalds(even though I cannot stand that shit) It's the 9-11 thing that is repulsive.
Your loacation says your in Virginia. Now your eather some dumb kid that got on your parents computer after they went went to bed or just a moron. I do not see any bombed out toilets in Virginia. If you did live in Iraq before, than why do you come to America and ridicule it. Lastly, if you live in Iraq now why would you list your location as Virginia? are you ashamed and want poeple to think you live in the U.S. What's the deal? The only conclusion that I come up with is that your the dimwitted moron.

P.S. American Idol Sucks!
Heheh, anyone here who knows me care to point out how ridiculously far off this moron is. His level of understanding is astonishing, is it not?

[ASsman]

Hahaha, wow I mean, wow.

Uncle Sam want's you to fight his illegal war.

If you have the balls. Or buy a little magnetic sticker that says "Support our troops" because somehow that helps.

[Qdrop]

Heheh, anyone here who knows me care to point out how ridiculously far off this moron is. His level of understanding is astonishing, is it not?

D_Raay is older than all of us....married, w/ children i beleive.
his is not a democrat....but a libertarian.
he is american born and raised.
caucasion i beleive....
he workes closely within the political structure in DC (hence he lives in virginia)

how'd i do?

[D_Raay]

D_Raay is older than all of us....married, w/ children i beleive.
his is not a democrat....but a libertarian.
he is american born and raised.
caucasion i beleive....
he workes closely within the political structure in DC (hence he lives in virginia)

how'd i do?
Give the man a prize!!! Thanks Q
Some people don't get satire..

[SobaViolence]

plus D_Raay is a cool cat. with bongos and poetry and shit. (y) :)

[K-nowledge]

But did he ever live in Iraq. How would he know what its like to be in thier shoes.

[D_Raay]

But did he ever live in Iraq. How would he know what its like to be in thier shoes.
It's called satire K.

sat·ire Audio pronunciation of "satire" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (str)
n.

1.
1. A literary work in which human vice or folly is attacked through irony, derision, or wit.
2. The branch of literature constituting such works. See Synonyms at caricature.
2. Irony, sarcasm, or caustic wit used to attack or expose folly, vice, or stupidity.

[Whois]

"You Americans know there are other countries, don't you?" - Eddie Izzard

[jegtar]

This forum has turned into the 3rd grade. Does anybody in here wish that more people would have been killed in the elections?

[Echewta]

Far more people have died by American bombs and soldiers than the insurgents could ever do during the "election."

Bush stopped by Iraq with a fake turkey once, how does he know whats best for the Iraqi people? Because Chalibi told him? Where is that guy anyway...

[Qdrop]

This forum has turned into the 3rd grade. Does anybody in here wish that more people would have been killed in the elections?


is that a rhetorical question?

[Whois]

This forum has turned into the 3rd grade. Does anybody in here wish that more people would have been killed in the elections?

I just wish more people would be killed period...but then I'm a cheerleader for the extinction of the human race.

/sarcasm

[ASsman]

This forum has turned into the 3rd grade. Does anybody in here wish that more people would have been killed in the elections?
Funny, that only happens when Bush goes on about how better off Iraqis are dead.

[Rosie Cotton]

You should check who you call dimwitted, Jackoff! I am not ridiculing McDonalds(even though I cannot stand that shit) It's the 9-11 thing that is repulsive.
Your loacation says your in Virginia. Now your eather some dumb kid that got on your parents computer after they went went to bed or just a moron. I do not see any bombed out toilets in Virginia. If you did live in Iraq before, than why do you come to America and ridicule it. Lastly, if you live in Iraq now why would you list your location as Virginia? are you ashamed and want poeple to think you live in the U.S. What's the deal? The only conclusion that I come up with is that your the dimwitted moron.

P.S. American Idol Sucks!
Before calling someone "dumb" or "a moron" you might want to check your spelling.

[ASsman]

They don't call him K-nowledge simply to be ironic, you know..

[Rosie Cotton]

True.

I have no balls, so where am I supposed to take it? Don't answer. I already know.

[ASsman]

Hahahaha, wherever you are a willing I suppose.

[Rosie Cotton]

Ugh, fine.






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