Censorship & Youth

[yeahwho]

One in three U.S. high school students say the press ought to be more restricted, and even more say the government should approve newspaper stories before readers see them, according to a survey being released today.

Further tidbits from article and survey. Link (http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2005-01-30-students-press_x.htm)

Concerned parents want Eminem to be censored because they want to shield their children from obscenity. That is one thing.

The Government censors the media because it wants to shield us from the truth. That is something altogether different.

Why would a sizable chunk of kids in the U.S. want to forsake the First Amendment?

[Qdrop]

i really can't vote for any ONE of those...all three are at fault.

i really don't put that much stock in that study, though...

i really think many of teens polled are just either/and/or undereducated, didn't think the questions through fully, didn't understand what thier answers really meant (ie-the ramifications of such restrictive practices).

short of complete social programming by thier parents (possible in some strict conservative homes) few intelligent, even slightly enlightened individuals would think gov't censorship is a "good thing".

[yeahwho]

i really can't vote for any ONE of those...all three are at fault.

i really don't put that much stock in that study, though...

i really think many of teens polled are just either/and/or undereducated, didn't think the questions through fully, didn't understand what thier answers really meant.

short of complete social programming by thier parents (possible in some strict conservative homes) few intelligent, enlightened individuals would think gov't censorship is a "good thing".

You crack me up, especially since there are 4 options.

[Qdrop]

You crack me up, especially since there are 4 options.

the 4th option is lazy and meaningless. why would i include it?


and why do i crack you up?

[yeahwho]

Somebody tie knots in your dental floss? It is a poll I started about media and how High School kids percieve the 1st Amendment.

Though you may not agree with the validity (http://www.knightfdn.org/default.asp) of the survey, it is real.

It's pretty easy to say, i really don't put that much stock in that study, though...i really think many of teens polled are just either/and/or undereducated, didn't think the questions through fully, didn't understand what thier answers really meant (ie-the ramifications of such restrictive practices).

I truly do believe this study did have a criteria and wasn't some whim with a million dollars to get a set of pre-determined answers at the end of it.

[phinkasaurus]

i can't vote for any of your four (4) options because I don't understand the question posed. Is it "who is at fault for censorship?" or "who is at fault for lack of censorship?" or "who is at fault for kids wanting more censorship?"

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Qdrop is not at all funny. he's a pragmatist. ;)

[ASsman]

The better question is, who the hell cares what High School students say?

One in three U.S. high school students say the press ought to be more restricted, and even more say the government should approve newspaper stories before readers see them, according to a survey being released today.
I did my own research.

One in three U.S. High School students think Ashlee Simpson is totally not like her pop sister. Shes totally rock-and-roll.
One in three U.S. High School students think anyone gives a damn what their opinion is, on any matter.


Concerned parents want Eminem to be censored because they want to shield their children from obscenity. That is one thing.
Right, because being straighforward is obscene. While subtle metaphors for marijuana and orgies in songs, are perfectly fine.
Maybe they should move to Europe, the US produces more Porn than the entire world put together. Or maybe their children are not let to mature enough, so when the it does hit the fan.. it really hits the fan.


Why would a sizable chunk of kids in the U.S. want to forsake the First Amendment?
Because they are more ignorant and malleable than their older FOX watching counterparts.

Oh and FOX is at the top of "safe for families" watching list.

As for whose fault it is, the parents. I think we need to start licensing this shit, you must pass a profiency exam to make a baby. One part will be a GED exam, the others on common sense and ethics. Parents like to pass the blame, no it's the media, no it's the game industry, music industry, etc. When the problem is, they aren't properly teaching their children, if they have no control over what their kids watch/play/smoke then they shouldn't be parents. Wear a fucking RUBBER.

If I need a license to drive a car, why don't I need one to crank out fucked up kids like a Model-T assembly line.

[Qdrop]

Somebody tie knots in your dental floss?

that is fucking wack.


It is a poll I started about media and how High School kids percieve the 1st Amendment.

yeah...i gathered that.




I truly do believe this study did have a criteria and wasn't some whim with a million dollars to get a set of pre-determined answers at the end of it.
that's not what i'm saying.

[Qdrop]

The better question is, who the hell cares what High School students say?


One in three U.S. High School students think Ashlee Simpson is totally not like her pop sister. Shes totally rock-and-roll.
One in three U.S. High School students think anyone gives a damn what their opinion is, on any matter.


Because they are more ignorant and malleable than their older FOX watching counterparts.



my point, exactly.

i was trying to be more subtle......but this gets the point across better.
okay, yeahwho?

[Qdrop]

Qdrop is not at all funny. he's a pragmatist. ;)

hehe.....word.
:D

[ASsman]

OH! Yah now I understand the polls. I would have to say parents and the school system then.

They are the ones who have to educate you.... yet don't. Hell if there are people like Racer controlling Public School systems, we are fucked.

[ms.peachy]

I've read the survey methodology and although the sampling seems reasonably standard (by which I mean, has an acceptable threshhold of validity), I haven't been able to pinpoint the exact method of inquiry or review the actual questionairre(s), so I am still skeptical. I am not saying it's not an alarming finding, and that the issue shouldn't be examined more closely, but let's not all panic.

Also I don't think trying to point fingers is helpful. Nothing happens in a vaccuum - there is no single 'fault'.

[ASsman]

No, but we can say who SHOULD be responsible for educating "future leaders".

[yeahwho]

If you don't care what High School students think WTF would you respond to this thread for, just to tell me you don't care?

But we do let them join the military before age 18. We also strongly encourage it.

This is off topic, but isn't it wrong to let these folks join the military then? I mean, we're all saying here that 18 yr olds don't know a damn thing, and that's why they don't care about free speech or, really anything regarding our Constitution. Or the world. And we don't think they can make informed decisions at that age. THEN we have no problem throwing them into a warzone, to kill or be killed?

JROTC recruiters start picking up kids as early as freshman year I believe, perhaps earlier.

It all leads down an interesting road if you ask me, I'm not living that life, but to be that uninformed in this day and age is really a life and death situation.

[Qdrop]

then i would like to advocate the rounding up of those 1/3 teens....and executing them.

we will do this systematically once a month, from here out.....
social farming......



seriously,
if you are asking who is responsible, or who should be responsible...
either way, it's really all three......

i personally think this speaks volumes about the state of your educational system in this country, and less about if teens are pro-censorship.

[Qdrop]

check out this report (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6902567/)

it's actually about teens and driving...

but i think it could be relevant to the discussion.

relevant excerts:

{...Now, new brain research suggests an explanation.

"The part of the brain that handles risks, isn't done developing until very late," says Paul Thompson at the UCLA Lab of Neurological Imaging.

Thompson and other researchers at The National Institutes of Health and UCLA have drawn a clearer picture of the adolescent brain.

"We thought the brain was done developing by the age of 18 or so," says Thompson. "[But] when you look at these scans you see a fantastic amount of restructuring into the early 20's."}


teens have biological deficiancies when it comes to foresight, assessing risk, ect....

that is interesting when it comes to them answering questions in a poll about censorship and how it could affect them in the real world down the road....

but more so, yeahwho, with your point about army recruitment at young ages...

[yeahwho]

I've read the survey methodology and although the sampling seems reasonably standard (by which I mean, has an acceptable threshhold of validity), I haven't been able to pinpoint the exact method of inquiry or review the actual questionairre(s), so I am still skeptical. I am not saying it's not an alarming finding, and that the issue shouldn't be examined more closely, but let's not all panic.

Also I don't think trying to point fingers is helpful. Nothing happens in a vaccuum - there is no single 'fault'.

I wish that this was just some frivolous survey. I 'm sure there is an ratio of error, I kind of hope it's -/+ 10% seeing hows it teens. But I'm willing to hedge my bets with -/+ 5%. The Knight Foundation isn't some fly by night (pun intended) organization.

I do admit my poll bites, but hey, I forgot other factors.

[Whois]

I think stupid people are at fault...

[yeahwho]

but more so, yeahwho, with your point about army recruitment at young ages...
JROTC (https://gateway.usarmyjrotc.com/http://portal.usarmyjrotc.com/jrotc/dt) was around when I was in school. They would show up once a quarter and if you wanted to see some people in fancy dress uniforms after smoking a doobie, you could wander on down to the activities room after lunch. Good for giggles ala Beavis and Butthead style.

[SobaViolence]

One in three U.S. High School students think anyone gives a damn what their opinion is, on any matter.

that is some funny shit.

[ASsman]

f you don't care what High School students think WTF would you respond to this thread for, just to tell me you don't care?
Aren't we trying to figure out why they shouldn't be listened to, and figure out what can be done to fix this. I mean it's pretty obvious they are an ingnorant bunch. What did you expect me to say?

From my experience it's something in the US water supply. European chicks are more "mature" in a lot of aspects. While their American equivalents are giggly talking about what was on last night on MTVH1. But that is just a slice of a very large pie. But I see many other examples that help support my theory.

What I think is that there is too much babying of kids here (I've seen this in comparing US schools, and European schools) , in other places kids are given a lot more liberties. The same abuse that might happen here doesn't in those other schools. Kind of like keeping at kid away from porn until he is 30, and letting go of floodgates.

[infidel]

One more choice should have religion, the most truth stifling institution on the planet

[Qdrop]

While their American equivalents are giggly talking about what was on last night on MTVH1.

What I think is that there is too much babying of kids here

yep.