America is a fascist nation.

[DipDipDive]

fas·cism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fshzm)
n.
often Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.

The Superbowl pregame extravaganza made me realize how truly fascist America has become. It was forty solid minutes of excessive patriotism, so much that it made me a little sick. The reading of the Declaration of Independence, the World War II dedications, America the Beautiful, The National Anthem. I mean christ. Is all of that really necessary? I understand that there's a war on and respect to our troops should be paid, but I have a little bit of a problem with all of this patriotic propaganda being force fed to me. I think it's really depressing that we Americans anticipate that our swollen sense of pride will be on display during a major broadcast such as the Superbowl. It's become as commonplace as the slapstick commercials, and I, for one, am disgusted by all of it.

[DroppinScience]

America Uber Alles?

[Rancid_Beasties]

I am not so worried by the excessive patriotism that America has always shown, thats just the nature of your country. What worries me more is the use of this sense of patriotism to override the democratic system. I mean all that crap about the nation uniting just after George Bush got relected. Fuck uniting, seriously if I was American I would prefer that there were two distinct sides and that they kept each other honest, rather than one government acting as a facist state. In that way I agree with you DDD.

[DipDipDive]

Fuck uniting, seriously if I was American I would prefer that there were two distinct sides and that they kept each other honest, rather than one government acting as a facist state.

(y)

[ASsman]

Yah we know, what else is new?

Boobies?

[Ace42]

Hubris is a virtue, ask Achilles.

[ASsman]

am not so worried by the excessive patriotism that America has always shown
Meh, it's not the patriotism, it's what they consider patriotism. Nothing wrong with loving your country, but loving the mass murder of people perpetrated by your country. That's downright sick.
Or saying that, you have to jump everytime Bush says so. No matter what.

[Rosie Cotton]

Hubris is a virtue, ask Achilles.
What does Brad Pitt have to do with this? That movie sucked almost as abd as Catwoman probably did.

[ASsman]

It was enjoyable. Especially the part were I got see his cute butt. I mean, damn, didn't mean to objectify him like that.

[Rosie Cotton]

Sexist bastard, objectifying Brad Pitt. That almost as bad as all that porn.

[Ace42]

What does Brad Pitt have to do with this?

Sponsored by Nike?

[ASsman]

If it's one thing that pisses me off, it's Nike buying Converse out.

Gay.

[Rancid_Beasties]

Meh, it's not the patriotism, it's what they consider patriotism. Nothing wrong with loving your country, but loving the mass murder of people perpetrated by your country. That's downright sick.
Or saying that, you have to jump everytime Bush says so. No matter what.
Yeah but its always been like that, I mean the fact that even I know Independance Day is 4th of July, but I have no idea when the fuck Australia day is other than its whatever day triple j's hottest 100 is broadcast...says alot. Plus I know all the words to the american national anthem just from the olympics and shit. 'Tis sad.

In America, when GWB won the election, Kerry said that the US should unite as one country and support their new president. In Australia, when John Howard won the election, former opposition leader Mark Latham said he would continue to oppose Howard on nearly all matters and provide a strong opposing force to undermine government efforts to sell off the major telecommunications company etc. This is what America lacks, the concept that you dont have to agree with whoever is in power just because hes America's "voice". You have to fight the whole way through, not just when the election comes around, just to keep this world in some sort of balance.

[ASsman]

Cock suckers, the lot of them.

[DipDipDive]

In America, when GWB won the election, Kerry said that the US should unite as one country and support their new president. In Australia, when John Howard won the election, former opposition leader Mark Latham said he would continue to oppose Howard on nearly all matters and provide a strong opposing force to undermine government efforts to sell off the major telecommunications company etc. This is what America lacks, the concept that you dont have to agree with whoever is in power just because hes America's "voice". You have to fight the whole way through, not just when the election comes around, just to keep this world in some sort of balance.

I agree completely. Part of the problem is the complacence of the Democratic party. Being that I'm a liberal (not necessarily a Democrat), I wish that the Democrats would take some shots at Bush from time to time. When Clinton was in office, the Republicans constantly criticized him and his every decision. Though I didn't always agree with their positions, at least things were slightly shaken up in the way you're describing. Ever since Bush took office, it's as if all politicians and citizens of America are expected not to question his choices and just go along with his agenda, however fucked up it happens to be. Of course, there's always the possibility that the reason we don't hear about the shots taken at the Republican party is because the American media is overwhelmingly pro-Republican...

Ugh. Goddamn fascists.

[DipDipDive]

^

Note my edit. (y)

[checkyourprez]

They do...but the corporate media ignores it....or they show footage of a Democrat speaking but they'll have a reporter do a voice-over and sum up what the Democrat said without giving any facts or reasons....but the media usually ignores it all together.



this is why i like the daily show. fucking excellent sarcasim and humor attributied to things bush does daily. but they do also point out stupid things liberals and independents do as well. thats the only good thing about bush winning re election in my eyes, 4 more years of jon stewart being able to point out what a big a hole bush really is.

[checkyourprez]

i think the worst thing to happen to this nation was the fall of the soviet union. it was good in the sense that people in bad appresive enviornments were given a chance at a better life but, when they bit the dust there was and is no one to keep us in check.

its a lot harder to be a bully at your school when theres another mother fucker just as big as you who doenst like how you do shit. but when that dude moves to a different school district you run the show.

[cosmo105]

If it's one thing that pisses me off, it's Nike buying Converse out.

Gay.
hoo-hah (http://adbusters.org/metas/corpo/blackspotsneaker/)

[DroppinScience]

Yeah but its always been like that, I mean the fact that even I know Independance Day is 4th of July, but I have no idea when the fuck Australia day is other than its whatever day triple j's hottest 100 is broadcast...says alot. Plus I know all the words to the american national anthem just from the olympics and shit. 'Tis sad.

How odd... I know all the words to "O Canada", yet I don't know the words to "The Star-Spangled Banner"

The level of knowledge of the lyrics to the American anthem is probably on par with Leslie Nielsen when he sang the anthem at the baseball game in "Naked Gun." :D

"Oh say, can you see, by the danzer lee light, what so proudly we hail... da duh dah dah duh duh da! Who brought stripes and white stars... doo doo dooo doo doo."

Seriously man, I can't fucking tell what they're singing in "The Star-Spangled Banner." :p

[Ace42]

Seriously man, I can't fucking tell what they're singing in "The Star-Spangled Banner." :p

Something about the cannon's red flare, and the arabs beind pissed on by SEALS in Abu Ghriab, those stinking rag-head bastards,

[Alli]

Yah we know, what else is new?

Boobies?

Boobies aren't new to me

are they to you?

I'm sorry :(

[chromium05]

The reason for the excessive patriotism bollocks is that there were 2 Billion people, all around the world, watching the Superbowl last night. What better way to give the impression that ALL Americans are behind thier countries actions than to let the world see the fanaticism that a few dodgy songs causes in it's citizens.

Remember the footage of the Nazi rallies, when everything Hitler said was greeted with deafening cheers of support and fervent flag waving??? That was also patriotism. Look where Germany went with one mans power. Anyone who spoke against him was jailed or shot for treason.

In the US, anyone who speaks against Bush is labelled "Unpatriotic", a traitor or treasonous. Speak too loudly and the cops arrive.

I know I am going to get a shit-load of abuse here, but it looks (to most of us outside the US and it's media propaganda) that the US may just be headed, slowly - but surely, the same way. All the voices need to join together and shift from a pissy little whimper of disproval to a fucking huge roar and scream in Bush's face with all the ferocity it can muster.

Shit....you all need to get some stickers made up that say some shit like "Not in my name" (did I read this somewhere else?) and stick those fuckers on EVERY plyable surface until someone starts to get the message that all this shit the Bush administration is doing, while telling the world that his people have given him a fucking "mandate" (?), is bang out of fucking order.

Bush should be tried for fucking treason. Send the whole fucking government to Guantanamo. And get someone in the White House who can think further than his wallet and his own countries borders.

America stands at the moment as the only superpower. This is why Bush gets away with it. BUT....China is fast approaching. And they have a far bigger population and far bigger army. And thier economy is growing. Thier technology rivals the US'. And when they come to the fore...America will be hit hard.

That's my rant done.

[yeahwho]

The reason for the excessive patriotism bollocks is that there were 2 Billion people, all around the world, watching the Superbowl last night. What better way to give the impression that ALL Americans are behind thier countries actions than to let the world see the fanaticism that a few dodgy songs causes in it's citizens.

That's my rant done.

Your perception is keen. Humility is really in short supply at an event named Superbowl, but on an international level all that in your face patriotism must seem overtly vulgar. It's almost as though the people who put on this event think being humble is a character defect.

[Qdrop]

In the US, anyone who speaks against Bush is labelled "Unpatriotic", a traitor or treasonous. Speak too loudly and the cops arrive.

the traitor/treasonous part is pure exageration....
a few right wing blowhard pundits may call nie-sayers traitors....but that's about it...
free speech is alive an well.

the bit about the cops IS COMPLETE HORSESHIT....THAT YOU ARE COMPLETELY FABRICATING.


you people (euro-liberals) speak of propaganda and the like...
yet that is exactly what you are engaging in...bullshit hyperbole surrounding sentiments you have no foot hold in.
you are getting your trickling info from screened/biased sources that are slanted to the left.

no one is tried for treason for speaking badly about the president.
no one has cops banging at thier door.

yes, some liberal demonstrators at republican conventions were hastled and pushed around and a few got arrested or escorted away for being "unruly", but this a far cry from Third Riech pounding on your door to take you a dark cell for speaking ill of the president.


I know I am going to get a shit-load of abuse here, but it looks (to most of us outside the US and it's media propaganda) that the US may just be headed, slowly - but surely, the same way.

perhaps....
but again....far too much hyperbole on your part.



All the voices need to join together and shift from a pissy little whimper of disproval to a fucking huge roar and scream in Bush's face with all the ferocity it can muster.

agreed.


Bush should be tried for fucking treason. Send the whole fucking government to Guantanamo.

i agree somewhat...
depends on if he TRULY knew his "intelligence" was bullshit (just a smokescreen), or if he truly was suckered in ....just like Tony Blair.


And get someone in the White House who can think further than his wallet and his own countries borders.

agreed.
but that's a pipedream....
NO national leader in ANY country put's his country's elite power class/wallet second.


America stands at the moment as the only superpower. This is why Bush gets away with it. BUT....China is fast approaching. And they have a far bigger population and far bigger army. And thier economy is growing. Thier technology rivals the US'. And when they come to the fore...America will be hit hard.


except for the fact that China's ecomony has been teetering on the brink of collapse for decades now.
it has a LONG LONG way to got.

i honestly think India has a better chance of joining the superpowers first.
they have crushing poverty (thier greatest weakness) in too many areas.but thier economy is much more stable and can crank out cash faster.

[yeahwho]

the fact that China's ecomony has been teetering on the brink of collapse for decades now.
it has a LONG LONG way to got.

Note to myself, no stock clubbing with Qdrop.

Easy Google (http://news.google.com/news?q=china's%20economy&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn)

[Qdrop]

Note to myself, no stock clubbing with Qdrop.

Easy Google (http://news.google.com/news?q=china's%20economy&hl=en&lr=&sa=N&tab=wn)

not so fast...
do some more research.

yes, they have ability and the workforce...but they don't have the stable system.

the article you should have an interst in is the one concerning china's economy becoming more open (capitalistic)....
this is a big key to future success.

if they grow too fast though.....more collapse.
read (http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=2668015)

it happened to japan.

more:

"How to assess the difficulties facing us:

-- deep-rooted contradictions in economic growth remain an arduous task
The test before China in 2005 is still how to cope with deep-rooted problems in economic growth, since our growth pattern remains an extensive one with a heavy task of structural adjustment.


The favorable trend in agriculture and rural economy last year didn't change the nation's long-term weak agricultural foundation. Room is limited for the four factors leading to even higher grain production this year--bigger seeded area, higher unit yield, stronger financial support and higher grain price, and climate conditions are uncertain. Farmers still face a shortage of channels to increase their incomes.

The year 2004 impressed people deeply by its tight supply of coal, electricity, oil and transportation capacity, and situation this year will be still tougher. In 2004, China's power growth rate reached 15 percent, with 49.3 million kw newly added generation capacity and the total installation capacity reaching over 440 million kw. Although our installation capacity amounts to the total of Britain, FranceÂ*and Germany and higher than Japan's (280 million kw), the GDP we created with it lagged far behind due to our unreasonable economic structure, with too many sectors of high energy consumption.

[Schmeltz]

NO national leader in ANY country put's his country's elite power class/wallet second.


That's because they all come from that class to begin with, and hence have no vested interest in actually representing any other group within their country.

[yeahwho]

Are you talking about decades?
the fact that China's ecomony has been teetering on the brink of collapse for decades now.
it has a LONG LONG way to got.

Or are you talking about 2004 and 2005? The China economy has been anything but teetering the last 3 decades. That story in the economist is just one viewpoint of a multitude about what could become of the Chinese economy. The financial breakdown of this recently very adaptable workforce in China has been nothing short of a cultural revolution of it's own.

If they become the next superpower I do not know, nor is that the point. The brink of collapse has not been the China story the past few decades. The fact of our dependence upon China's cheap labor is told in the story of China's capture of the "U.S. Navy EP-3E surveillance aircraft" in April of 2001. Any other Country we would of told them to Fuck right off, not China, go ahead and disassemble the plane and break the NATO Link-11 system, code named "Story Book." No biggie, free intelligence for our broke buddies.

China has our number and they're playig it for all they can.

[ASsman]

Wal-Mart!! TO THE RESCUE!!

And as for this nation being fascist. Shut the fuck up!

[SobaViolence]

america ain't exactly a stable region...at least not for long. deficit anyone?

[DroppinScience]

I'm the first to admit that there are many troubling elements to American society in 2005, but I believe THIS should be proof enough that America isn't a fascist nation.... yet. ;)

Right after the Super Bowl, they played "The Simpsons" (which lampooned the current religious climate) and the premiere of "American Dad" followed (which is lampooning American paranoia that there are terrorists hiding under your bed).

Hitler wouldn't have allowed such ridiculing to go on...

P.S. - "American Dad" was freaking hilarious. I'm already a huge fan. :D

[ASsman]

Hitler wouldn't have allowed such ridiculing to go on...
Heh, the worst kind of fascism, is the kind that's hard to see.

[checkyourprez]

The reason for the excessive patriotism bollocks is that there were 2 Billion people, all around the world, watching the Superbowl last night.


off topic, was it really 2 billion?

[DroppinScience]

Heh, the worst kind of fascism, is the kind that's hard to see.

If we're gonna call the Bush administration fascist, I'd prefer the term "quasi-fascist."

There's no literal fascism present... only fascist-like elements.... and for the BILLIONTH time... SO FAR! :mad:

[Ace42]

fas·cism Audio pronunciation of "fascism" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fshzm)
n.

1. often Fascism
1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
2. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

How can you get more centralized authority than the President of the US, one of the biggest and most powerful empires on the planet?

I'd say the above all applies very accurately to the US.

[ASsman]

Porn needs to get more "political".

[Rancid_Beasties]

I agree completely. Part of the problem is the complacence of the Democratic party. Being that I'm a liberal (not necessarily a Democrat), I wish that the Democrats would take some shots at Bush from time to time. When Clinton was in office, the Republicans constantly criticized him and his every decision. Though I didn't always agree with their positions, at least things were slightly shaken up in the way you're describing. Ever since Bush took office, it's as if all politicians and citizens of America are expected not to question his choices and just go along with his agenda, however fucked up it happens to be. Of course, there's always the possibility that the reason we don't hear about the shots taken at the Republican party is because the American media is overwhelmingly pro-Republican...

Ugh. Goddamn fascists.

This is where most level headed people can put aside their political allegiances and agree. A democratic system can be as quickly turn into a pseudo-facist system if the opposing party gives up on itself.

I'm not entirely sure how much the democrats are doing to keep the republicans in check, but that speech I heard by Kerry just after he conceeded truly disturbed me. I stand by my guns that a nation united simply means a world divided. The only way some sort of peaceful equlibrium can be maintained is if it is made known that not all of America supports the governments actions in the middle east, nor agrees with its governments agressive and fear mongering internal tactics. When the citizens seem to wholeheartedly support the actions of their government, it converts them from compassionate human beings of some value into yet another target in the eyes of the enemies of that particular country.

[Whois]

“…man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts.� - St. Reagan

[SobaViolence]

liberty can only expand with brains, guts and a little bit of shitdisturbing. let's roll.

[chromium05]

off topic, was it really 2 billion?

I read ( I think it was BBC website) that just under 2 billion people around the world watched the superbowl.

It usually gets around 1.5 billion but Paul MacCartney was on at half time....

[yeahwho]

I read ( I think it was BBC website) that just under 2 billion people around the world watched the superbowl.

It usually gets around 1.5 billion but Paul MacCartney was on at half time....

This is not your Dad's Beatles!

[freetibet]

Patriotism ain't that bad, although lefties call it nazizm. However- before Superbowl? That's stupid. ;)

Catholic Poland, yaaaay! :p

[ASsman]

Wait, never mind, that wasn't worth a shit to quote.

[Whois]

America is a totalitarian country...who cares which way it swings. The funniest part about it is the vast majority of Americons want it that way.

Hahahahahahahaha...

[bb_bboy]

The funny part is that 2 billion people around the world watched the superbowl.

According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, the resident population of the United States, projected to 02/10/05 at 17:19 GMT (EST+5) is 295,438,247

According to the International Programs Center, U.S. Bureau of the Census, the total population of the World, projected to 02/10/05 at 17:14 GMT (EST+5) is 6,417,946,777

[yeahwho]

The funny part is that 2 billion people around the world watched the superbowl.

According to the U.S. Bureau of the Census, the resident population of the United States, projected to 02/10/05 at 17:19 GMT (EST+5) is 295,438,247

According to the International Programs Center, U.S. Bureau of the Census, the total population of the World, projected to 02/10/05 at 17:14 GMT (EST+5) is 6,417,946,777

Must of been a slow day down on 'ol Earth.

[ASsman]

They were expecting big black titties.

[SobaViolence]

They were expecting big black titties.

i know every canadian was...so that's 49% of 31 million...

[DroppinScience]

Patriotism ain't that bad, although lefties call it nazizm. However- before Superbowl? That's stupid. ;)

Catholic Poland, yaaaay! :p

Hey look, it's the Polish gmsisko. :rolleyes:

Thanks for playing! :p

[DroppinScience]

I didn't think anyone other than the US gave a damn about our football. 2 billion is a helluva lot of people.

That number must be made up. I watched ten minutes then did homework the rest of the night with the intention of watching Paul McCartney, but I missed him unfortunately.

The rest of the world doesn't care about American football except for the Superbowl. That event is like the Oscars... EVERYONE around the world watches it.

[chromium05]

^^^ Yep. I watch it to se which of the teams that used to be shit will be battling it out this year. I mean, Green Bay, New England etc??? They were bollocks. When I was really into NFL, it was all Redskins, Raiders (Los Angeles), Dolphins and 49ers.

Anyway, the superbowl is like the Olympics. How many of you sit and watch people running on tv? How many of you go down the track to watch a fat bloke throw a lead ball or some spaz use a stick to hurl himself 6 meters into the air, only to smack his chin and shoulders into an iron bar?

Same with the World Cup in soccer. Most of the world (and 99% of women) couldn't give a shit about watching 22 blokes kick an inflated pigskin round a field in the rain. But, come world cup time, the pubs are full of people who say stupid shit like "Who's playing?". And women tend to spend the match telling each other that Portugal are playing Italy so there's bound to be some sex-gods running around with thier bollocks swinging about, and if they go for a sliding tackle, there's a chance thier shorts may ride up, exposing half an arse cheek or, maybe, just maybe, a testicle might make an appearance.

For fucks sake...even the World Series gets shown live in Euope. No-one outside the US and Japan even play baseball. We get cricket. The dullest, slowest "Sport" ever. Fuck, cricket makes Tiger Woods look like a raving crackhead.

Yeah...

[ASsman]

I think there are 1 billion Mexicans in the US, that weren't counted. That would explain it.

[Calimero jr.]

EVERYONE around the world watches it.

SuperWHAT ???? :confused:
What are you people talking about ??

[DroppinScience]

For fucks sake...even the World Series gets shown live in Euope. No-one outside the US and Japan even play baseball.

Not true, Latin American places like Cuba and Puerto Rico play baseball.

[ericg]

Yeah words... facism... corruption... not economically viable... they don't mean anything unless we make them. Where's the headway and grounds necessary to show the relative urgency and seriousness of it all... and of course solutions... you feel me!?

Make sure people know why it matters to everyone/thing thing in such profound ways... make the right words mean more... by (...appropriate...) actions... tap into the government and masses like Nortons Anti-virus. I can only think the only wise way to do this is with the appropriate legalese grounding the fundamental rights of this country... to optimize and celebrate their basic and authentic existance! Who the fuck really knows. I KNOW that I MUST. Organizations and factions can front all they want in the end. We need straight up legal grounds to implement the law on the ever growing impediment of value and truth these corrupt entities will never cease to be about, and get the power back on the paper it was written before any more convolution and clouding by the negative and compromising beaurocracy can white out and provide more ground for degeneration in our country and around the world.

This takes money to organize and corroborate all the great minds in affinity. For the life of me, I don't know why this hasn't been done yet. Apparently there is just not a big enough will.......... Everyone's adapted one way or another to the virus and selfish ways!!!!! It's the kind of madness that makes hell real. In this world, a man is affected by the choices of other men. Here's a casting call for the real choice men and women to get it right here. So many go along absent mindedly reverting to primal war like tendancies and the one's who know better when in the media.. feel they have to censor themselves in getting the reasons out and compromise their true and right initiatives in attempts to make it palatable for the incongruent masses.

If I were to devise a statement of... what's right... a program that would effectually set the country straight in no uncertain terms... and it got passed around and signed by 51%... even internationally... an international pact... including sound economic mandates... benign energy and it's infinite applications and life saving uses...(go learn) with meantime transition phases of companies, jobs...etc... opening schools in affinity... government spending... everything that I'd put into it utilizing the proper appropriations and resources... to cure the social ills that are lived with in compromised justice every day... more importantly to get many politicians out of office... wouldn't that be a way......!?!?!!!!!!! Even 40% would have a tremendous impact. I don't know how I sound here to you, but think about it for goodness sakes. Why live like this?! Humans as a whole have so much resource just discovered in this last century and ways to get the world as efficient and right for everybody. REALLY. That's the undeniable fact. Who in their right mind could argue it at that point or not listen and get it. Those are the people we need to school once and for all. People are so carnal or provincial, I mean you have to go back a little ways to know about the war in Iraq. It could and should have been reconciled long ago if only given the right opportunity. When will we learn. The US plays the wall, and never gets it right and done. Must my kids suffer to watch this Jenny Jones world in action. Has anybody kept value of anything. Disney's gone to hell, a sight Walt and many others are turning over in their grave for... Men and women just aren't of the caliber of potential and value we should know now.

I'm not Jerry McGuire here, and this is no game. I'll stop here. Fuckin' people. SSTTTTTTTTTOOOOOOOOPPPPPPPPPPP! Give me a break.

From what I've already seen, this will likely be over the heads of so many alleged Beastie Internet fans who couldn't take life this seriously if their life depended on it... who will idley parse in a devastatingly subjective and irreverent manner... only to dwindle this medium of communication down to an impertinent chat clutter of clap trap. I just hope there is one person out there at and with this time... maybe even with a little wherewithal, collaboration, and momentum for this motive and impetus...

[ASsman]

Crackhead.

[Funkaloyd]

Apparently taking life seriously will drive you insane.

[ASsman]

Or to drug abuse.