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D_Raay
02-08-2005, 01:42 PM
TIME magazine has a quick article about Iran entitled Can the US defuse Iran? (http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101050214/wiran.html) After reading the article, I thought it would be a fun exercise in the analysis of misinformation in the US media. In total, I counted seven major lies out of the nine paragraphs. Besides the author's name and the date of the article, almost everything else was in the article was misleading, false, a half-truth, or spin. If you want to know why most Americans still think that WMDs have been found in Iraq, it's because of this sort of reporting.

So, here we go:

LIE 1: Headline "Can the U.S. Defuse Iran?"

FACT: Note the headline's use of the word "Defuse" in the headline. Bombs are "defused". By using the "defuse" word, the headline is suggesting that Iran is a danger. The headline is trying to shape the reader's attitudes towards Iran before they even read the article, by implying that Iran is a bomb which needs to be "defused."

LIE 2: "As it drags out the third round of negotiations with Britain, France and Germany with no hint of a resolution, Iran is doing little to build confidence in its good intentions."

FACT: This is an over lie. Rather than "dragging out" the negotiations, Iran has requested that the EU speed up the negotiations, and the EU has refused. See: here.

Secondly, the fact that Iran has allowed unfettered inspections and has signed the Additional Protocol and has agreed to temporarily suspend enrichment are all quite MAJOR evidence of good will -- Iran was under no obligation to do any of that. And what has Iran received in return, except more demands and threats?

LIE 3: "The IAEA has discovered that despite its agreement to temporarily suspend all activities related to uranium enrichment, Iran was continuing to do maintenance work on a uranium-enrichment plant in southern Iran."

FACT: Routine maintenance which did not violate the pledge to temporarily suspend enrichment. Note also how TIME uses the word "discovered" -- as if it was a secret!

So what else has the IAEA "discovered"? Well, the Director General of the IAEA has said that the IAEA has received "good cooperation" from Iran and has found no evidence of a nuclear weapons program, something TIME seems eager to ignore. (See here)

LIE 4:"The Iranians have allegedly finished designing a prototype of a detonator for a nuclear bomb, according to an opposition group based in Paris."

FACT: Gee, I wonder why TIME didn't see fit to name this "opposition group" -- the MEK, classified as a Marxist-Islamist terrorist organization by even the US itself. But I guess telling all of that information to the readers would have undercut TIME's attempt to demonize Iran.

LIE 5:"[Iranians] insist that they have a sovereign right to enrich uranium for peaceful, civilian purposes."

FACT: The right to enrich uranium is not something that only the Iranians "insist" upon -- it is an established principle of international law and a fundamental part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty. If Iran doesn't have that right, then no other nation does either.

LIE 6: "Taking their cue from North Korea, the Iranians have seen 'that you can extend a negotiating process and still build nukes,' says Bruno Tertrais, senior research fellow at the Foundation for Strategic Research in Paris."

FACT: Note how TIME uses the status of some researcher to bolster the claim that Iran is secretly building nukes, even though the IAEA has repeatedly said it has no such evidence (something which TIME refuses to mention.) This is a fallacy known as "Appeal to Authority" -- you're supposed to believe it just because someone who is supposedly an expert says so.

But have you ever heard of this Bruno guy before? Do you know if he is trustworthy? Or if TIME is really quoting him accurately? Is Bruno stating a fact, or merely his own opinion?

LIE 7: "Many experts question whether military strikes could be assured of taking out all the country's dispersed, well-hidden nuclear facilities. Intelligence on Iran's programs is inadequate..."

FACT: Note how on one hand TIME assumes that "well-hidden" nuclear sites exist in Iran, and on the other hand admits that the intelligence on Iran is inadequate. So, TIME, if the sites are so well-hidden, how do you know they exist?

ASsman
02-08-2005, 02:21 PM
Yah, because we support the UN and it's diplomatic efforts.


Also, quick way to defuse a bomb, blow it up. And have I told anyone how much I hate TIME magazine, for really no apparent reason.

Whois
02-08-2005, 02:51 PM
"If the teacher be corrupt, the world will be corrupt." - Persian proverb

Funkaloyd
02-08-2005, 04:53 PM
Persians had poor English.

Whois
02-08-2005, 06:40 PM
Persians had poor English.

:rolleyes: oy!

Echewta
02-08-2005, 06:49 PM
Rags.

Ali
02-09-2005, 09:24 AM
Also, quick way to defuse a bomb, blow it up. And have I told anyone how much I hate TIME magazine, for really no apparent reason.Aren't they from the same stable as Disney, who wouldn't touch Michael Moore?

Just a guess... correct me if you want. No time to google.

infidel
02-09-2005, 10:54 AM
The way to "defuse" Iran is just accept the fact that they are going to be a nuclear power and contain them with our own nuclear deterrence. Any country would be committing suicide to use a nuke but they sure work well for deterrence. Worked for years against the USSR, Pakistan and India. I can't blame them one iota for desiring their own nukes to detour the war-mongering US.
They will just bullshit if we go at it diplomatically and if we go at it militarily it will turn into a quagmire that will make Iraq look like the invasion of Granada with massive causalities on both sides and the Muslim world hating the US even more.

ASsman
02-09-2005, 07:48 PM
Aren't they from the same stable as Disney, who wouldn't touch Michael Moore?

Just a guess... correct me if you want. No time to google.
I should care to find out, but I don't have the TIME.


[APPLAUSE]


Im not sure, but I think you cut the blue wire.

Qdrop
02-10-2005, 08:14 AM
The way to "defuse" Iran is just accept the fact that they are going to be a nuclear power and contain them with our own nuclear deterrence. Any country would be committing suicide to use a nuke but they sure work well for deterrence. Worked for years against the USSR, Pakistan and India. I can't blame them one iota for desiring their own nukes to detour the war-mongering US.


i think the real fear (as with N.Korea) is the prospect of those countries selling/supplying terrorists with nuclear capabilities.
which is a very REAL possibility for countries that need money badly.

Ali
02-10-2005, 08:19 AM
I should care to find out, but I don't have the TIME.


[APPLAUSE]


Im not sure, but I think you cut the blue wire.diddy-boom

Burnout18
02-10-2005, 09:23 AM
is that picture for real?

Ace42
02-10-2005, 10:13 AM
which is a very REAL possibility for countries that need money badly.

Communist countries don't have money.

Qdrop
02-10-2005, 10:21 AM
Communist countries don't have money.

N.Korea ecomony is on the ropes....
desparate countries do desparate things.....and there stands a chance they would sell nuclear materials/weapons for cash,aid, ect. ..

Iran as well......

infidel
02-10-2005, 12:42 PM
i think the real fear (as with N.Korea) is the prospect of those countries selling/supplying terrorists with nuclear capabilities.
which is a very REAL possibility for countries that need money badly.One problem that arises with that justification is that nuclear material even after an explosion can be identified, examined, and profiled just like DNA or fingerprints. It can be traced back to the exact nuclear reactor the material came from. The origin of the source material can be found right away or years later making it hard to falsify. The world just has to be notified that in the case of proof that a country supplied nuclear materials for a terrorist bomb that the retribution would be nuclear, swift and very severe.
I think this is already written into IAEA rules, the nuke developing countries just need to be reminded publicly. Once again it would be suicide to set off a nuke, the source would be discovered.

Qdrop
02-10-2005, 01:05 PM
One problem that arises with that justification is that nuclear material even after an explosion can be identified, examined, and profiled just like DNA or fingerprints. It can be traced back to the exact nuclear reactor the material came from. The origin of the source material can be found right away or years later making it hard to falsify. The world just has to be notified that in the case of proof that a country supplied nuclear materials for a terrorist bomb that the retribution would be nuclear, swift and very severe.
I think this is already written into IAEA rules, the nuke developing countries just need to be reminded publicly. Once again it would be suicide to set off a nuke, the source would be discovered.

so you're saying that we should just let N.korea and Iran go on thier merry way....
no big deal?

infidel
02-10-2005, 01:16 PM
so you're saying that we should just let N.korea and Iran go on thier merry way....
no big deal?It is a big deal but I don't think we have any choice that makes sense. They should be allowed to exercise the same nuclear deterrence to hostile invasion that other nuke possessing counties do. If we are going to get on NK and Iran about wanting/possessing nukes shouldn't Pakistan, France, etc also be included?

ASsman
02-10-2005, 01:21 PM
Meh, Iraq lasted all that time with their WMD's. I say we give em just as long.

Qdrop
02-10-2005, 01:30 PM
It is a big deal but I don't think we have any choice that makes sense. They should be allowed to exercise the same nuclear deterrence to hostile invasion that other nuke possessing counties do. If we are going to get on NK and Iran about wanting/possessing nukes shouldn't Pakistan, France, etc also be included?

god, i would LOVE it if we invaded france....
no US casualties either!

;)



so....i guess it's lose/lose......what a happy world.
oh, and it's all the US's fault, too.

Funkaloyd
02-10-2005, 05:10 PM
What do you propose the response should be to Iran and North Korea?

ASsman
02-10-2005, 05:55 PM
Proper diplomatic efforts. No half-assing.

Then again that's not the American way.

infidel
02-10-2005, 08:04 PM
What do you propose the response should be to Iran and North Korea?Accept the fact that they have nukes but make it very clear that if they ever use them first or they end up in the hands of terrorists that their entire country will be transformed into a glass parking lot.

Ali
02-11-2005, 12:19 AM
Any country would be committing suicide to use a nuke So people who fly airplanes into buildings will not use a nuke?

And doesn't this apply to all countries? How can you use a Nuke to defend yourself? Nukes are only useful if your enemy has one, so that you can keep threatening each other, without having to use them.