BB's join in on KFC Peta BS

[valvano]

about half way down:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6908972/


they should stick to music.....
:rolleyes:

[Rich Cheney]

Speaking of chicken, did you know that for 12 years I was convinced that was a chicken sampled in stand together and not a saxophone.

To this day I am not convinced it's a sax and still think it's a talented chicken.

[jennyb]

I wonder what the line "I'm the King Adrock I eat the Colonel's wings" will be changed to?

[betaband]

oy.... PETA is a load of bollocks. please stick to the music lads. comin next is gonna be a statement by mike d declaring mr.clean sexist.

[betaband]

nope, and i knew that was exactly the comment that was gonna come down the line. it can get really stuffy in this messageboard sometimes, and if one comment goes against the grain of praising the boys all the time, you get hated on for it. don't get me wrong, i love the beastie boys and everything that they have done, but i just don't agree with some of the things they do or say. i'm allowed to have that opinion right?

[jennyb]

:::::: WARNING! WORDY POST AHEAD :::::::

Ages ago I saw a return address label that had People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals on the bottom... I thought I really like animals and am all for the ethical treatment of them, so I asked them to send me information. I got pamphlets on slaughter houses and what not and was so grossed out, I'll never forget it. It seemed a tad propagandized to me. I instantly couldn't eat another hamburger... don't think I have since, and that is like 10 years ago now. Eating chicken = YUCK! Eating chicken locked in cages and force fed = EXTRA YUCK! But you cannot deny that little sharp tooth that each and every one of us humans possess... that IS for eating meat isn't it?

They really go the extra mile on their ethical treatment of animals that it really takes strict discipline to follow their guidelines for living in a way they would approve that does not hurt any other living thing in any way. I try my best, but I'm sure I do things they wouldn't approve of, but like I said, I'm trying my best. I would never ever wear fur (gross) and I don't eat much meat at all, an occasional seafood binge (sushi)... and I could never ever ever give up cheese, that runs in my blood, for instance.

I treat animals with much respect from my own cats, dog and tortoise... to the other dogs at the park, alley cats, the injured crow on the sidewalk and the possum in the back yard and I feel that's most important. Animals rule! (y)

[jennyb]

You're advocating shutting them up to facilitate your own comfort.


Go Wints... Go Wints...

[jennyb]

You're teasing me, aren't you? :o I can't help it!! I can't shut up when I read bullshit on this board... :(

No I am definately not teasing you... I'm cheering you on cuz I don't have the ability to easily confront like that... so

go wints... go wints... (y)

I was thinking, right on!

[Rich Cheney]

I still think it's a chicken in Stand Together.

[Lindsey_1535]

Very nice, thanks for posting that M!

[BGirl]

Wow, thanks for posting the letter, Miramanee. I'll share that with Mr. BGirl, he's had a thing about the poultry industry lately. He'll be pleased. :)

[jennyb]

Wow, thanks M!

[Rich Cheney]

they should stick to music.....
:rolleyes:

If you were personally responsible for spawining a subset of dusted youth, you would be doing all you can to alter your kharma also.

I don't agree with their strong PC stance but can understand where it's coming form.

[Rich Cheney]

PC is more of a buzzword, I agree.

[valvano]

to me, its just stereotypical hypocrisy coming out of some celebrities mouth...i recall a spin magazine article just before tt5b came out in which it noted they were riding around nyc in a lincoln navigator......and tt5b has that line about suvs strung out on opec.....


give me a break.

[betaband]

this is the kind of crap i'm talking about. your comparing me to a sexist bigot when i'm not one. this board can get so damn sensitive. just because i don't agree with what the Beasties say about an issue doesn't make me the opposite of that. I think PETA is the wrong route to go down with this issue and i'm voicing my opinion. now i know the Beasties are voicing their opinion as well, its all circular. I never intended to get slighted by you Wints, but whatever, i'm not looking for a war of words about the advocacy of issues on behalf of the Beasties, i was just stating what i felt. if you feel that a letter from ad-rock to the head of KFC enlightens you on the plight of todays chicken, then thats grand for you.

[Rich Cheney]

My wife beats me :(

[betaband]

fair enough, don't want this to get all melodramatic. :o

[Saffy]

I think it's nice that they're supporting the chickens (and I bet Mike D was mainly behind it even if Ad-Rock did sign first), but I have mixed feelings about PETA. They lost me when they compared the victims of Jeffrey Dahmer to cows slaughtered for beef. They also did an advertising campaign that had a drawing of chickens in cages, and they compared them to jews being sent to concentration camps. That is so profoundly offensive, and the whole organization disgusts me now.

[b-grrrlie]

I wonder if Kathleen has anything to do with Adam's oppinions? Or rather coming out with them like that? Beasties have always said what they think so I'm not surprised at all about this letter. They know that people listen to them and they stand behind their words. I feel some kinda proudness being a Beastie-fan (and I'm a vegetarian).

[Echewta]

Oil, chickens, planting trees, praying. Its all the samething. If you are against chickens being treated poorly, you better be against everything else.

:rolleyes:

[Laver1969]

Aren't KFC and Pizza Hut owned by the same company? I know they have those KFC/PH combo restaurants. And someone was showing off the Pizza Hut box on the tour bus back in Europe on some pics I saw.

I think Popeye's Chicken is the best.

It sounds like a chicken on Stand Together to me too.

[Laver1969]

It's Taco Bell, not Pizza Hut, that KFC is affiliated with. Eh, it's all food that I don't eat.


They definitely have Taco Bell/Pizza Hut combos...and KFC/Pizza Hut combos here in Chicagoland. But I like pizza better than chicken.

They do have a song called 5-piece chicken dinner. But it's probably not KFC...hopefully Popeye's. :p

[YoungRemy]

damn Miramanee, that letter was written YESTERDAY, how did you find it so quickly?


"take that poor chicken off the fork"

[YoungRemy]

what the ponytail, i dont eat snail....

just saw the letter on the PETA site!

[Documad]

I loathe PETA and I really wish Beastie Boys could have stated their opinion(s) re the treatment of chickens without affiliating themselves with PETA.

Boy, I wish I hadn't read this thread. Damn! I'm going to be cringing all night now.

There was a funny PETA joke I wish I could remember, I think it was a headline in The Onion? Something like "PETA soldiers kill 35, save bunny rabbit."

[Documad]

Well, come on, Documad, why do you hate them so much? (I mean, aside from all the people they've killed, obviously...)
Well, I think Miramanee and Saffy touched on it already above. I don't like their methods. The woman who runs the organization is a nut job.

There are so many more worthy organizations, in my humble opinion.

My cringing comes from the fact that PETA attracts the most vapid celebrities and I hate to see Beastie Boys in that kind of company. Sorry wints!

[valvano]

peta is based down the road in norfolk, va and they have some true whack jobs working for them

listen, god gave us sharp teeth to eat me with. if you want to be a vegetarian, go for it.

ultimately, we all return to the earth from which we all came....it's the cycle of life...... :o

[cosmo105]

It's Taco Bell, not Pizza Hut, that KFC is affiliated with. Eh, it's all food that I don't eat.
all three are the same company.




fuck fast food.

[Documad]

No no, just curious. Beastie Boys are not vapid, obviously... I don't know... like I said to Saffy, I don't think you can dismiss the good things the organization has achieved because Pamela Anderson models for them. I don't know about the woman who runs the thing, I admit, but I hope she's not advocating killing people... I'm guessing she's not...
No, The Onion headline was a joke, and according the the New Yorker, the woman who runs this thing at least has a sense of humor and laughed at it.

I think that people are more important than animals and sometimes animals have to die for us. I would like to keep their suffering to a minimum and I'm disturbed by a lot of what I have read. I also have to admit though that the suffering of animals is fairly far down on my long list of concerns. And BTW I hate KFC.

NOTHING should be compared to Hitler/Nazis/Holocaust. Ever.
Beastie Boys are obviously not vapid, but signing off on PETA's letter is embarrassing to me. That's just how I feel. IS THIS WHY MOBY WAS AT THE SYDNEY SHOW? Did he get to them?

[Documad]

all three are the same company.




fuck fast food.
Are they also all Pepsi? Fuck colas too.

When I read Fast Food Nation, I didn't want to eat fast food anymore. When I saw Supersize Me, I was dying for a Whopper by the end of the movie, and so was my vegetarian friend. It was so strange! The power of the glistening image!

[Laver1969]

Hopefully the Mouse Pee Burgers that Mike's scientists are working on won't offend PETA. :p

[cosmo105]

Are they also all Pepsi? Fuck colas too.

When I read Fast Food Nation, I didn't want to eat fast food anymore. When I saw Supersize Me, I was dying for a Whopper by the end of the movie, and so was my vegetarian friend. It was so strange! The power of the glistening image!
yup. they are.


it's scary, really. i think everyone should be issued this book. it's eye-opening to many...but i already knew it, heh.


PETA makes the rest of us vegans/vegetarians look bad. no wonder everyone assumes i'll be some warrior crusader out to ruin everyone else's day. i'm all for education, but guilt-tripping people into believing what you believe is pretty underhanded.


i remember all the Murder King features on PETA's site about the horrible slaughterhouses they used...then they came out with the B.K. Veggie and advertised on the site...suddenly the Murder King videos were nowhere to be found. maybe this has changed now, but seriously...i'm connected to some people that have worked for them, and they are a fucked up organization. they are NOT all about the animals. granted, i'm glad someone's getting the message out, but i don't agree with their tactics at all.

[Laver1969]

I remember when SPIN magazine did the three covers...one cover with each of the guys. This was right after the release of HN. Horovitz was wearing a T-shirt that had something about Human Rights/Animal Rights, with a fist and paw raised in the air.

Wints...do you have that scan?

[cosmo105]

^i have a pin of that same design. :)

[Rich Cheney]

It's a chicken in Stand Together. I asked Yauch how he got the chicken to sing to which he answered he coerced the chicked w/chocolate covered chickenfeed.

I never was into KFC, when I was poor I did Popeye's and Church's now that I'm bigtime I do Boston Market and I know of this Filipino spot in Jackson Heights that makes the most unbelievable bbq chicken in the world!

[cosmo105]

i understand what you're saying. what i meant was how they aggressively push their propaganda on people...they're just too in-your-face. maybe that's the only way to do it...i understand that they're trying to bring the harsh realities of the meat industry to light to bring about change, and that's respectable. it's just...they make it seem almost like a cult. and i can understand how a lot of non-animal-rights people could view PETA as too pushy. no one likes being told how to act or what to believe. i just hate the label of the pesky vegetarian.

if you asked me, though, i'd spout all kinds of info to you. and don't think i won't gloat about the fact that i'll probably live a much longer, fuller life than a carnivore. :p

[cosmo105]

But you cannot deny that little sharp tooth that each and every one of us humans possess... that IS for eating meat isn't it?
aaaactually...


if you look at the dental fossil record of early hominids, the canines get larger and larger the further back you go. and the further back you go...the less carnivorous we were. the hominids with the largest canines were completely vegetarians. look at gorillas. their canines are huge, and they're entirely vegetarian. chimpanzees do occasionally eat meat...and yes, i know eating progressively more meat had a huge role in brain development and the evolution of the hominid line from a cranial capacity similar to the great apes to that of modern sizes...i just choose not to eat meat because i think in today's society it's not necessary, and definitely unhealthy. i'm also an animal lover to the extreme. Steger can vouch for that.

/biological anthropology nerd rant

[cosmo105]

Yeah, I understand that, and I'm not usually a pesky vegetarian at all, believe it or not. :rolleyes:
i never meant to imply that you were a "pesky vegetarian." i'm sorry if i did. :( i was just saying that i hated when people labeled me as such...

[Documad]

. . . I really wish Beastie Boys could have stated their opinion(s) re the treatment of chickens without affiliating themselves with PETA. . . .

Sorry, I'm not saying this well, but I had a really long day of driving.

I think it's great if the Beasties want to speak out for chickens and bring negative publicity to KFC. I think it's great that they speak out for anything they believe in.

I am sad that Beastie Boys didn't just write a letter or make a statement in their own words, without mentioning PETA twice, and thus endorsing that organization. PETA likely wrote the letter and they're going to get positive publicity and probably money from it. I dislike PETA's advertising, tactics, principles, and the vapid celebrities who endorse PETA but won't stand up for any other human/social issues. In fact, I hate everything I know about PETA.

No, I'm not a Moby fan, but I did not mean to call him a wack job. I have no idea whether he is or is not a wack job. I was trying to be funny and failed. Sorry.

Wints and Cosmo, thanks for keeping the topic going. It's a fun discussion.

[cosmo105]

No, no, I wasn't suggesting that you did, just defending myself to those who find me particularly pesky in this thread...

Oh, and cosmo, in the interest of full disclosure, I'm actually one of those filthy pescatarians... ;) :p
Echewta's a pescatarian too. i call him Peskytarian just to bug him (y)

[Laver1969]

It's a chicken in Stand Together. I asked Yauch how he got the chicken to sing to which he answered he coerced the chicked w/chocolate covered chickenfeed.

I think I remember this. When did this happen, Rich?

Wints...can you post the pic in this thread? Since it's very appropriate.

And Pootytang's answering machine has PB's 5-Piece Chicken Dinner playing.

[cosmo105]

hehehe. that's another rule for me. i won't bag on vegetarians or pescatarians for not being vegan. again, it's a personal choice. if they ask me why i'm vegan or what my thoughts are on dairy or egg consumption, i'll tell them. otherwise, i just eat my tempeh BLT in peace :o

Freedom Toast: you probably already know this, but you got sick because after you don't eat meat for an extended period of time, your body stops producing the protease enzymes necessary to break it down. i imagine the same goes with lactose and lactase enzymes. if i had dairy now, i'd probably have a pretty bad allergic reaction...skin would go nuts and i'd be crying on the toilet for hours. if i had meat...god, i'd probably be in bed for a few days.

[Rich Cheney]

Plants have feelings too y'know.

[Documad]

Freedom Toast: you probably already know this, but you got sick because after you don't eat meat for an extended period of time, your body stops producing the protease enzymes necessary to break it down. i imagine the same goes with lactose and lactase enzymes. if i had dairy now, i'd probably have a pretty bad allergic reaction...skin would go nuts and i'd be crying on the toilet for hours. if i had meat...god, i'd probably be in bed for a few days.
I don't really understand (I'm good with math but bad with science), but I just started this book about early "humans" that talked about how people weren't meant to consume milk after weaning and that's why some people are lactose intolerant, and some whole tribes are unable to comfortably consume milk as adults.

My friend was a vegetarian for over 10 years and her doctor wanted her to start eating meat and she won't eat some kinds because of texture issues, but she's never been healthier. Wasn't this also true of Drew Barrymore? I really don't understand.

[Saffy]

I guess it just seems like the same old knee-jerk reaction to an organization that does good work and has good intentions -
I'm not so sure about that. PETA seems to be mostly about celebrities and publicity stunts these days. And I really disagree with their mission, which is animal rights. Animal rights (as opposed to animal welfare, which means making sure animals are treated humanely) means that animals have the right not to be used for clothing, food, or anything else. I disagree with that. It's great if people can be vegan, but it's my right to eat animals if I need to.

Animals are NOT people! The zealots who run PETA really believe that animals=people, just people who aren't that smart and can't communicate the same way we do. If you go to the faq at the PETA website (www.peta.org), they repeatedly equate animals with children and retarded people. That's almost as offensive to me as the chickens=Jews things.

I am sad that Beastie Boys didn't just write a letter or make a statement in their own words, without mentioning PETA twice, and thus endorsing that organization.
Exactly.

[valvano]

Jesus!!! We've already discussed this....the ride didn't belong to the Beasties.

well why didnt they ask to ride in one of those hybrid deals ?? again, the hypocrisy speaks for themselves, and when most celebrities get involved in the latest trendy cause, it winds up making them look like fools


its kind of like robert kennedy jr going out preaching with his environmental defense fund bs while at the same time criss crossing the country in his private jet.......

and john kerry speaking in detroit that he is glad to own a couple of suvs, then in another speach denouncing suvs...

the hyprocrisy goes all around on this type of bs

[WhoMoi?]

You know, regarding that quote, I'm convinced Oh Word is an animal rights protest song.

I had suspected that at least parts of that song were talking about animal rights.
The part that always jumped out at me was Yauch's bit about the hog's tooth.
But then he says something about having pemmican, which is a little confusing.

[valvano]

a funny cartoon about celebrity activitist iq's

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/cartoons.cfm/id/66

lots of other interesting data on here about celebrity "causes", PETA, etc
:p

[WhoMoi?]

Isn't ha talking about some historical figure eating pemmican? I can't remember the line. Anyway, yeah, I really do believe that's what the song is about. Crazy, I know... :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, I think you're right. "Like Ernest Shackleton said to Ord Lees..." I'm not sure who those people are though. :o And I wonder why he wanted to have dog pemmican with his tea.
Before I read the lyrics I thought he was saying, "I hide the pemmican with my teeth."

[valvano]

because some brain dead idiots out there will say "well, if the beastie boys (or whomever) are for/against this, then i need to take the same position". and the media just follows along.

personally, i'd rather see the bb's return back to the us for some more tour dates, or get to work on another cd, instead of telling some company how to run its business.

can you imagine if kfc put out some press release stating that it was morally oposed to their rap and they should return to their punk roots? well, the bbs are trying to do the same thing with kfc.

they can have all the opinions the want, the causes de celebre, but just because they are celebrities does not mean their opinion is worth more than anybody elses, or that they speak on behalf of everybody else........

the beasties boys are musicians. if they want to get into the fast food/chicken slaughtering game, then let them start their own business

[Documad]

I am a HUGE liberal and I loved that BBs supported the ACLU even though that's not a popular move--especially after 9/11. I'm glad they denounced Bush. I'm glad that Adrock has made pro-choice statements. I probably agree with most of their politics. I think chickens should have a higher "quality of life" before I eat them.

Wints, however you cut it, Beastie Boys have done more than stand up for chickens. They have endorsed PETA. They are on PETA's website and will count as a big "catch" for PETA, in part because Beastie Boys are not the vapid starlets PETA usually attracts. I'm sure they know that if they signed the letter and they must be fine with that. I'm sure that PETA has had some good impact even though I don't endorse them myself. That's all from me.

[Documad]

because some brain dead idiots out there will say "well, if the beastie boys (or whomever) are for/against this, then i need to take the same position". and the media just follows along.

personally, i'd rather see the bb's return back to the us for some more tour dates, or get to work on another cd, instead of telling some company how to run its business.

can you imagine if kfc put out some press release stating that it was morally oposed to their rap and they should return to their punk roots? well, the bbs are trying to do the same thing with kfc.

they can have all the opinions the want, the causes de celebre, but just because they are celebrities does not mean their opinion is worth more than anybody elses, or that they speak on behalf of everybody else........

the beasties boys are musicians. if they want to get into the fast food/chicken slaughtering game, then let them start their own business

That's silly. The Beastie Boys have the right to denounce KFC and use whatever means at their disposal to spread their viewpoint(s). I can express my opinion and if I had a bigger soapbox I would certainly use it.

[Alli]

I don't agree with PETA tactics but hey whatever people want to rally behind I guess.

The only thing I don't like about PETA types is I feel they have this whole crusade thing going. They gotta convert you and shit. Honestly yes I think many time the animal are being treated inhumanely but not all places are that way and the facts are skewed. Either way I eat meat and I'm sorry if it would offend anyone but that's my choice. Do you buy clothes? Most workers in other country's are exploited for those clothes. I think energy should be redirected to helping people before chickens.

[Rich Cheney]

When I play Civilization III I imagine my settlers making camp and eating dog pemmican swapping tall tales.

:confused:

[Documad]

Beastie Boys are using their power as public figures to pressure KFC to do something about practices they don't believe are right, which is exactly what anyone in their right mind would do with the same power. You don't have to agree with them, but don't say they shouldn't have the right to voice their opinions.
(y)

Gee, I guess all we needed was another person to say something silly and wints and I are back on the same side. :)

[Documad]

If you think they're morons and are incapable of making a choice such as this for their own good reasons, why are you here?
I often wonder this myself. The people who were upset when they bashed Bush just confuse me like crazy. What band did they think they were following all these years????

And hey, we should end this, but I don't want you to fold on me wints!!! You defended them well and we can call it a draw.

And it's nice that they care about the chickens, isn't it?

[cosmo105]

I don't really understand (I'm good with math but bad with science), but I just started this book about early "humans" that talked about how people weren't meant to consume milk after weaning and that's why some people are lactose intolerant, and some whole tribes are unable to comfortably consume milk as adults.

My friend was a vegetarian for over 10 years and her doctor wanted her to start eating meat and she won't eat some kinds because of texture issues, but she's never been healthier. Wasn't this also true of Drew Barrymore? I really don't understand.
humans aren't really set up to consume dairy. think about it. we're the only mammals that still drink milk after infancy...and the only mammals that drink the milk of another mammal. our bodies just aren't set up for digesting it.

as far as your friend goes? i don't know. some people don't do well on such diets for different reasons. for example, my boyfriend has an inflammatory bowel disease that makes it really hard for him to digest roughage, and he has to have a lot of meat in his diet. (people always ask me if i want to try to "convert" him...i reply "why would i want to kill him?!") such is life.

...but then again, some doctors aren't too well educated on vegetarianism or veganism and come from the perspective that it's flat out unhealthy. they'll tell you to stay away from it when they really don't know what they're talking about. most people don't realize...doctors don't always have all the answers. :)

by the way, trying to argue that KFC could say that the Beastie Boys should go back to their punk roots and relating that to this is one of the weakest, stupidest arguments i've ever seen.

[Rich Cheney]

(lb)
We're the only species that eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches which explains why we drink milk past infancy.

You ever think about that?

[Documad]

I almost never eat chicken because I can't stand handling it raw. And I won't eat it in a restaurant ever because I know that if I can't clean it properly they can't either.

The more I learn about food, the more I think there is nothing left to eat.

[cosmo105]

(lb)
We're the only species that eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches which explains why we drink milk past infancy.

You ever think about that?
hahaha.

10 points (!)

[Documad]

as far as your friend goes? i don't know. some people don't do well on such diets for different reasons. for example, my boyfriend has an inflammatory bowel disease that makes it really hard for him to digest roughage, and he has to have a lot of meat in his diet. (people always ask me if i want to try to "convert" him...i reply "why would i want to kill him?!") such is life.

...but then again, some doctors aren't too well educated on vegetarianism or veganism and come from the perspective that it's flat out unhealthy. they'll tell you to stay away from it when they really don't know what they're talking about. most people don't realize...doctors don't always have all the answers. :)
Thanks. I wondered if the doctor and my friend decided that she COULD be healthy and be a vegetarian but it was too difficult or she wasn't going to do what she needed to. She had some bad blood work, but I didn't understand. I have several friends who have been strict vegetarians for more than 20 years, and are raising healthy, vegetarian children.

BTW--with one longterm vegetarian friend, when her son was a teenager and he wanted to make trouble while she was out of town, he ate KFC and left the evidence in their garbage to shock her. So cute!

[Saffy]

because their support of PETA means they believe that animals are treated the same as Jews were in the Holocaust, or whatever inflammatory comparison PETA uses to promote its cause, is simplistic and wrong.
I never said that. What I said is I was disappointed they would endorse an organization that does those things. You can't just ignore everything else the organization stands for because you like what they're doing on one or two particular issues.

Certain KKK chapters organize their members to clean up highways and do other forms of community service. Does that make it ok to support the KKK with the understanding that you don't like everything they do? These things can't be separated out.

PETA is obviously not the KKK, but I do wish the Boys hadn't unnecessarily invoked the name of the organization in their letter. It does make me think a teeny bit less of them.

[roni]

Speaking of chicken, did you know that for 12 years I was convinced that was a chicken sampled in stand together and not a saxophone.

To this day I am not convinced it's a sax and still think it's a talented chicken.

:D pwahahaah! i know for sure there is a chicken on live at pj's. unless it is just someone just imitating a chicken, or a saxaphone imitating chicken noises...

anyway, for some reason i thought i was one of the few people to read this KFC article. silly me. i had stuff to say, but if i say it now, it'll all seem so repetitive. so, that's it.

... oh, where is this thing about chocolate covered chicken feed? sounds like an interesting read, much more interesting than my statistics book..... (n)

[valvano]

wints,
not in the chicken business (i am in the ltl trucking business), and i dont eat at kfc. in fact, i dont eat fast food (except for a taco bell urge ever few months or so). i dont hunt (but i do salt water fish).

but i go right back to my brain dead idiot arguement. just read some of these message boards, anytime anybody expresses an opinion contradictory of the boys, they are called nazi, neo con, capitalistic pig, etc.

i just feel that their involvement with a peta campaign just cheapens them. they rap that they dont sell out to advertisers, and now they are doing that. peta is a huge money raising machine and the beasties are now out spreading their word and promoting their positions,which will help to continue the gravy track back to the peta offices in norfolk, va

not much different than britney spears hawking pepsi

[enree erzweglle]

but i go right back to my brain dead idiot arguement. just read some of these message boards, anytime anybody expresses an opinion contradictory of the boys, they are called nazi, neo con, capitalistic pig, etc.


That's the one thing I dislike about this board (aside of 90% of what's in Beastie-Free :) ). You kind of have to sort of walk a sycophanty line and it's no good if you wobble to the wrong side of it. My favorite relationships are with people who tell me straight up what they're thinking without holding back. I like that and respect them for doing it.


i just feel that their involvement with a peta campaign just cheapens them.

This is probably the thing about being famous that would irk me--the idea that people want you to watch everything you say & do out of concern for what other people think. I say if fuck it. If you feel it, say it and if you've got to speak out about something, do it despite the way it makes you look. Let everything else go.

[Rich Cheney]

Every thread should have an appropriate video.

The wine does go well w/the chicken! (http://stevenf.com/downloads/kanahakkliha.mpg)

[Documad]

Well, for what it's worth, I wish I had said a bit less yesterday. I should never come on the internet at all after a full day of arguing at work.

I thought wints made a good point re Greenpeace. I would never give my money to Greenpeace but with the federal government not protecting the environment, I'm kind of glad they're still out there doing their thing.

I would never give my money to PETA, but there can be no doubt that because they have been around, companies and universities have had to be more aware of how they treat animals because of the publicity PETA generates.

But wow, I don't think anyone in this thread said it's wrong to disagree with the Beastie Boys' politics! What I found offensive was the idea that the BBs shouldn't express their opinions. And I'm still puzzled that anyone was surprised when the BBs were against Bush. That's really all.

[cosmo105]

not much different than britney spears hawking pepsi
but she was getting paid big bucks to do so.

[enree erzweglle]

But wow, I don't think anyone in this thread said it's wrong to disagree with the Beastie Boys' politics!

I don't think that anyone's said that it's wrong to disagree with their politics, but there's this strange set of responses (from other board members, not the BBs) that sometimes comes back when someone criticizes their work or projects. It's strange--it's not consistent, but it's there. They're entitled to do it, of course, but when it happens, it sets a tone...

[valvano]

in a way they are too, maybe not monetarily, but they are getting publicity (the news piece on msnbc.com), and peta is now broadcasting their involvement on their website.......

and all the publicity does have some sort of value that is worth something, whats the saying that there is not such thing as bad publicity?

i'm not against celebrities having views, or getting involved. its when they get preachy or take this holier than thou attitude towards things. adrock has epilipsy right? why doesnt he use his energies towards that? i respect the work they have done in the past for tibet freedom. its a cause that they seem to be truly devoted to, and not too many people knew of it, and was very solemn.......but peta is just a bunch of freaks who like to shake down businesses in the name of animal rights and stir things up...(and i AM NOT saying some things do not deserve to be stirred up).....if they presented them somewhat more maturely and professionally vs in your face hell raising then i may have more respect, but i dont see them as being any different that the next wacko group out there fighting on the fringes of society

[enree erzweglle]

As soon as I agree with something they do, I'm accused of being a sycophant. Can't win, I guess.

I wasn't referring to you specifically...rather, I was referring to the tone that sometimes comes back [from multiple/different board members] when people disagree with the BBs. That's all.

[valvano]

Fine, so you have very strong, one-sided views on PETA, which other people don't happen to agree with. What you can't seem to do is respect their right to disagree with you, and to speak out if that's what they want to do.

would you feel the same way if they decided to do some work on behalf of the christian coalition, or jerry falwell, or the john birch society?

:eek:

[enree erzweglle]

I mean that it's impossible to 'win' in thse situations.

I agree. There are some people who live for the fight and they seem to want to pick them with you and a few others just to get off. I don't know why. I've seen you effectively shut that down just by ignoring them. (Those people ought to read the current thread on Parenting. :) )

I don't think anyone should be made to feel like they can't stand up for what they believe, whether they agree with the band or not.

I write for a living and couldn't have said it better. In an ideal world this would be the prevalent attitude on this board but it doesn't happen as much as it could. I just cringe when someone gets skewered in those situations. In a perfect world...

[valvano]

exactly. i am not in favor of censorship either. but have you heard the old saying about if you sleep with dogs you get fleas? this might seem like the trendy or in thing to do, get yourself hooked up with a peta promotion, but to a lot of people, it just shows how far wacked out they have become AWAY from the recording studio.

stick to the tibet freedom thing, its a more noble a cause and doesnt involve flashy add campaigns and hollywood agents.

[valvano]

that's if they have to get involved with a cause..

and least make it respectable....otherwise stick to the music

(y)

[enree erzweglle]

this might seem like the trendy or in thing to do, get yourself hooked up with a peta promotion, but to a lot of people, it just shows how far wacked out they have become AWAY from the recording studio.

I admire the people they are regardless of what side of the studio doors they're looking at and I'm totally not being sycophanty. :) Actually, I don't think it's particularly trendy to be involved in PETA--there was a time, but that time's past, I think.

I knew about a subset of their beliefs before I'd ever heard their music. I got to know them after I stumbled across the lyrics to Bodhisattva Vow. (Do a Google search of "The Bodhisattva Vow" to find any translation of that text and you'll get a pointer their lyrics.) THAT'S what brought me here and it's amazing. I'm so grateful that they write about and are vocal about all sorts of things--regardless of the trendiness factor (or lack thereof). If they stopped being themselves, then what would we have.

[valvano]

i've never questioned or faulted their beliefs,
what i've questioned or faulted is the method they have chosen to carry them out...

if they are that concerned about animal issues, they should have maybe have gotten in touch with one of the national humane society groups, or spca, instead of a group that is more concerned with raising funds and publicity than actually helping animals. about 1% of Peta's budget actually goes towards helping animals, 42% goes towards fundraising per their 2001 tax returns

http://www.undueinfluence.com/peta.htm

if i were a beastie boys, i would have immediately questioned getting involved with a group that had just recently publicized its involvement with al sharpton...a certified nut job. anybody here old enough to recall the tuwana brawley incident he milked for all those years?

[YoungRemy]

on the "Oh Word" reference (and the animal rights theories)....

the early 20th century explorer Shackleton explored the Antarctic and at one point was known as the man who traveled to the farthest southern regions of the planet....


on one adventure, they ran out of food and had to eat dog meat as their only option.

that could sum up the whole stance on animal rights for me...

they ate the meat of an animal because it was necessary for survival. it was instinctual...


"the hogs tooth belongs inside the hogs mouth"

[Echewta]

If whatever organization is making a big enough fuss about an issue you feel important to you, whats the problem? Lets say I wished that chickens that were going to be slaughtered at least had a little bit better life than they do now. I know its unrealistic to ask KFC to shut its doors and let chickens roam free. Thats not going to happen. But maybe baby steps to not have to live their life on a factory dessembly line. Oh, looks like PETA is raising a stink about that particular topic that concerns me. Greenpeace? NRDC? ELF? EPA? Doesn't look like it on their agenda. Guess I'm calling PETA.


Regardless, it worked. Everyone here is talking about it. It was brought out into the open.

And I enjoy the in your face attidude of PETA. Should they be holding pictures of animals in a slaughter house in front of a school like some prolifers? No. In front of a KFC? Sure, why not? I doubt many people know where there food comes from anyway. I've seen pictures of cows, pigs, lambs, calfs, chickens, etc. being slaughtered. I've seen the contraptions that they stick on cows to milk them. I've read tons of info on how the animal industry works. How cows are dipped in chemicals that soak into the skin and get into the meat we eat. How bloody milk is cheap and used for chocolate milk so they can hide it. How fish are being depleted in the oceans.

Yet I still eat fish and dairy. How Pesky ;)

[valvano]

And I enjoy the in your face attidude of PETA. Should they be holding pictures of animals in a slaughter house in front of a school like some prolifers? No. In front of a KFC? Sure, why not? ;)

so i take that to mean that you also support pro-lifers displaying photos of aborted babies to women entering abortion clinics since that too is identical to the in your face attitude of peta? I guess too you also are opposed to the "protest free" rings legislated by many states to stop such demonstrations???

[valvano]

hey, i did my eagle scout project with the local humane society and animal shelter in my hometown county (eastern NC)! it was a publicity campaign for a spade and neuturing program that was going on (keep in mind this was 20 years ago!). i was the first person in my troop to do an eagle project relating to this issue, most did some other type of community service involving church, etc.

with your local humane society, you can at least see the results of their work. i admire the bb's for that. but when they get involved with wacked out groups, thats when the admiration ends

and diamonds support of sharpton? thats the beauty of our country. if he wants to support somebody who has made a career off of race bating and creating controversy, more power to him!
(y)

[valvano]

Hmm, so you're not in favor of censoring people who speak out for what they believe in? I'm so confused. :(


confused over what? nowhere in this thread have i stated they have no right to protest, etc.

please review my posting that started this thread. as it states, instead of getting involved with a BS peta campaign they should stick to music.

now tell me, how is that censorship? that I feel that their time would be more worthwhile with their musical career versus hawking peta?

now you have me confused :confused:

[valvano]

i dont tell them to shut up, but i tell them why they should shut up....

much like i dont tell people to wipe that ass when they go to the bathroom, but i'll be glad to tell them why they should!

:p

if you take that as censorship, then you need to check out a dictionary

[valvano]

if you want to tell me to shut up for no good reason, that would be fine. i'm not doing that. i'm telling the beastie boys they SHOULD shut up and i have provided the basis for that (PETA's history, etc). if they wish to continue to be spokespeople for peta, or get involved with one of their shake downs, more power to them. but i stand by my original statement.....they SHOULD stick to the music and stop the peta bs.......


:)

[valvano]

why yes you can , they SHOULD shut up......but if they want to make an ass of themselves, let them go at it...........

:D (y)

[Saffy]

And yes, suggesting that someone should not say, sing, write or draw what they believe is suggesting that they should be censored.
That is absolutely not censorship. Censorship is when people are threatened, intimidated, jailed, fired, or fined for expressing themselves, usually by the government. Merely telling someone their opinion sucks and it would be nice if they shut up is not censorship. Just because people have the right to express themselves doesn't mean they always should, nor does it mean that other people should always be supportive and not express disapproval.

I just hate that the word "censorship" has become so misused that people don't recognize real censorship (like the FCC driving Howard Stern off the radio by leveling gigantic fines against his employers) when it happens.

[valvano]

hey miramanee,
have they ever done anything for any epilepsy foundations? just wondering out of curiousity.

[valvano]

It's too bad you have so little respect for them as people, but whatever. Your argument is very weak, dude.

if i had no respect for them i would tell them to shut up, period. there's a distinct difference and i guess you dont see it.

[jennyb]

Here’s a question….

Are the Beastie Boys really jumping aboard the PETA ship or are they simply crediting PETA with its report and making reference to their recommendation? … These are the only two references to PETA in their letter.

“…as more and more people find out from PETA about your complete disregard for the well-being of these animals.”

“Please follow the recommendations of your animal welfare board and PETA…”

I mean, it’s not like we’re going to see them naked on a PETA billboard anytime soon is it? I see the Beastie Boys report on the PETA website, but it doesn’t seem as if they are official spokespersons. Just a mention that they’ve spoke out on their own, regarding a matter that is near and dear to the PETA organization and made reference to PETA.

Man, this thread is quite the hullabaloo, eh?

By the way, noice grab Miramanee… I’ve donated whatever I can to my local SPCA over the years and have also brought them food and blankets in the past. It warms my heart to see the Beastie Boys have similar interests.

[jennyb]

Yeah, I made that point earlier in the thread.

oopsie! It's just something that occurred to me in traffic this morning... sheeh I'm thinking about this place in traffic. Whoa.

[valvano]

You apparently haven't read a dictionary to support your argument. Your definition of censorship is inaccurate - in fact the word can't be that narrowly defined. Anytime a school removes a book from a library because they don't like what's in it, that's censorship. Anytime a movie is edited to remove something considered offensive, that's censorship. And by suggesting that people shouldn't be able to express their beliefs openly, that's suggesting censorship, as I said. I'm saying that people shouldn't be able to express disapproval? No. I'm saying that people shouldn't be told not to air their views. Who's going to decide when people shouldn't express themselves - valvano? You?

please show me where i have stated they should not be able to express themselves......and a quick reminder, there's a difference between telling somebody they shouldnt express themselves for whatever reason, and a telling somebody they should be allowed THE MEANS to express themselves...

thanks

[Documad]

Re censorship: I would define it much like Saffy did, but I think Saffy was defining censorship in light of the First Amendment to our Constitution, rather than in a more general sense. I think of censorship as speech that is prohibited by the government rather than as speech that is chilled by a private party or person. I can see where others would define it more broadly--especially if not considering it from a US legal standpoint.

As for the Beastie Boys mentioning PETA only twice in that short letter: They didn't need to cite any organization at all, and they didn't cite any of the other organizations concerned about animals. They are smart. They knew that this was PETA's deal and they knew how PETA would use it. And that's fine. They have the right to support PETA.

I'm sorry to pick on any organization that is out there trying to do something. I've been complaining a lot lately about people who won't lift a finger to change the world for the better. PETA isn't the organization I would select, but there can be no doubt that the plight of lab animals has improved in my adult lifetime and that PETA has something to do with that. I'll still support other organizations instead, but free world and all.

I'm sorry if Mike D supported Al Sharpton as anything other than a charismatic guy with an entertaining speaking style. It would be absolutely horrific if Sharpton ever held a public office. I'm hoping that Mike was only being funny.

I have not looked to the Beastie Boys for their politics or social contributions, but then I am older than most fans and was charting my own, flaming-liberal course, before I became a fan. I have never followed a band because I liked its politics, and I'm fine with bands that have no politics at all, but on the other hand I wouldn't pay money or waste my time on a band that supported Jerry Falwell et al.

I don't think that anyone's said that it's wrong to disagree with their politics, but there's this strange set of responses (from other board members, not the BBs) that sometimes comes back when someone criticizes their work or projects. It's strange--it's not consistent, but it's there. They're entitled to do it, of course, but when it happens, it sets a tone...
I am troubled by your post because I respect you and your feelings. I hadn't been reading most of the threads in here for a while because of the tour. Now that you mentioned it, I remember feeling something similar to what you expressed in my first couple of months. I wrote that off more to me being intimidated by the internet in general. After a while, I learned to avoid certain threads and members. I just went back and read more of the threads in here and what disturbs me is not the fans kissing ass to the band (I think that's normal for younger fans). It's all the ass kissing of fellow board members. I trust that no one in here needs that kind of ego stroking. I always thought its was revolting in BF, but it's all over GB and it's seriously bumming me out. Maybe it's been here all along.

I'm probably just in need of sleep.
:o

[wavin_goodbye]

i'd be the first one to say that the boys arent perfect.

but i like the fact that they have made serious efforts and used their platform to inspire change.

kfc is disgusting. that colonel should be court martialed!


way to go boys.

"why stand on a silent platform, fight the war, fuck the norm."
-zdlr

[wavin_goodbye]

p.s. in letters like that arent you supposed to have your own address at the bottom too? not that i would want that for anything.. :o

im all about formalities you know

[Documad]

Well, not being American, I'm unlikely to define censorship in that way. If I didn't make myself clear, I'm referring to censorship in the dictionary sense, as in: I didn't censor myself when posting in this thread. Why would anyone apply it from a US legal standpoint when talking about this issue? I don't think anyone has suggested that the band should be legally prohibited to express their opinions... :confused:
I think you were clear and so was Saffy. I think you were both using the same word with very different meanings. I was trying to say that maybe it's because we're from different countries, but I am having a difficult time explaining.

[wavin_goodbye]

Ah, gotcha. Sorry if I sounded touchy - I'm really sick and tired of this thread. :rolleyes: I'm outta here!


damn. i came late :( .. i guess ill have to read those pages while this thread dies..

[valvano]

You stated that they shouldn't express themselves on this issue. I don't know how I can make it any easier for you to understand, dude. Sorry.

"they should stick to music" does not equal "stick to music and dont speak your views, opinions, etc"

;)

[Laver1969]

The band have supported certain health organizations in the past. They have played at the Boarding for Breast Cancer Foundation Benefit, the Clean Needles Now Benefit, the Lifebeat (AIDS) Benefit -- just to name a few. Their concerns are not solely directed to animals.

I know one of the 92 CYH shows in New Orleans was benefit show. I don't remember what particular benefit it was.

[Laver1969]

This King has ruled. Close this fuckin' thread!

[Laver1969]

I don't want the thread to be closed. :confused:

Oh. nevermind. ;)

[BSTEGRL]

I'm gonna call it.

KFC (n)

PETA (n)

Speaking out on what you believe (no matter who you are) (y)

Censorship (n)

Charitable donations to animal shelters/humane society (y)

Beastie Boys performing at benefit concerts (y)

Chicken in "Stand Together" (n)

Chicken in "Live at PJs" (y)

Beastie Boys (y)

Chickens :confused:

Looks good to me. Well, except PETA...I havent investigated the facts in order to come to a conclusion as of yet. Chickens, however, are absolutely "(y)" We own chickens.:D

[Alli]

Good Call Miramanee! :cool:

[BSTEGRL]

When I was little, my granny had chickens. They scared the crap out of me.

LOL! Our rooster doesnt like me so, I'm scared of him. The hens are sweet and if you hold them in your arms and rub them, they fall asleep and do this little head nodding thing and wake themselves up....like an old man would! LOL! I really dont know why I thought I should share that. :confused:

Well, carry on....

:p

[cosmo105]

Oh good lord. Please tell me what it means then.
yeah, tell me too. :confused:

[saml]

to me, its just stereotypical hypocrisy coming out of some celebrities mouth...i recall a spin magazine article just before tt5b came out in which it noted they were riding around nyc in a lincoln navigator......and tt5b has that line about suvs strung out on opec.....


give me a break.


you're not a fan of sarcasm are you?

[TomHedd]

There is nothing more to say:
- http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=bea_kfc

[Rich Cheney]

(y) that video explains it all.

They're using the PETA angle to get into Bea Arthur's pants!

[wavin_goodbye]

watch the video on page 6 everyone..

[BGirl]

There is nothing more to say:
- http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=bea_kfc

:( :( :(

I couldn't even watch it all, too heartbreaking. We haven't eaten poultry in ages and I'm really glad.

We're like 90% vegetarian... we never buy meat to cook at home, but I won't shy away from a good steak in a restaurant. But that's a very rare thing as well (no pun intended). I have taken to getting a cheeseburger from the bodega downstairs every other week or so though. :o And when the farmer's market comes back in the spring I'm interested in getting meat from the organic farm. Free range and all.

update: I guess I lied, eggs are poultry and we eat lots of them. But we get the organic, free-range kind. They cost more but it's worth it.

[wavin_goodbye]

:( :( :(

I couldn't even watch it all, too heartbreaking. We haven't eaten poultry in ages and I'm really glad.

We're like 90% vegetarian... we never buy meat to cook at home, but I won't shy away from a good steak in a restaurant. But that's a very rare thing as well (no pun intended). I have taken to getting a cheeseburger from the bodega downstairs every other week or so though. :o And when the farmer's market comes back in the spring I'm interested in getting meat from the organic farm. Free range and all.

update: I guess I lied, eggs are poultry and we eat lots of them. But we get the organic, free-range kind. They cost more but it's worth it.

im similar.. dont eat meat at all.. only dairy and eggs :o

i had trouble watching it all too... listened to a large part instead

[Leonie]

Hmm I never ate at KFC...
But I think it's sick what they do to those chickens.
There was something on MTV news (in Holland) yesterday about the beasties standing up for the rights of chickens or something, I missed it but I heard it from my sister.. does anyone recorded it or somethin? :rolleyes:

[BGirl]

i had trouble watching it all too... listened to a large part instead

That's a good idea. Maybe I'll try again.

[valvano]

as pee wee herman would say....

"chicken sal a deeeeeeee"
:D

[valvano]

what are you doing, stalking me?

maybe the school systems up there in canada dont teach logic......or you are suffering from hockey withdrawal.....i dont know, but for the final time:

telling somebody they should shut up is not censorship.........making somebody shut up through illegal means is......

got it!

[wavin_goodbye]

but what about this one..

"they should stick to music" does not equal "stick to music and dont speak your views, opinions, etc"


oh yeah, i really don't think you can judge canadian schools, considering where you are from.

i think you are suffering from concealed underpants.

[Bobtwi]

I still think it's a chicken in Stand Together.
I always thought it was too.

[crystalfairy]

here's the new info on their fight against KFC: http://www.peta2.com/ot/o-BeastieBoys05.asp?c=48

[jennyb]

Oh -- don't dis Canada, ok?

Wait... shouldn't it be...

"Oh -- don't dis Canada, eh?"

;)

[jennyb]

*rubs wints shoulders*

*hands her a Gatorade and a towel*

:p

[Burnout18]

its very important chickens are given respect before they are killed for a family's dinner.

[cj hood]

Fan of greasy chicken, are ya? I'm not sure why you're criticizing this move, but I totally support it. Beastie Boys wouldn't be the same without their passionate support of causes they believe in, and yeah, KFC sucks on so many levels. Right on, guys. (y)



this is the type of mentality that allows cults to exist...yeeeeeeeeeeesssssss mike d, i will not eat kfc..........love the beasties, but not every single thing about them!!!

btw......i got the 10/04 philly show boot.....adrock says in 'time to get ill'....'still eatin those Kernel's wings'.......

[cj hood]

Read the thread.


i can't go thru 7 pages of you and miranamee bantering backing and forth.......i tried, but i can't.......take that shit to the PM.....

[cj hood]

Sorry, dude, I know you're trying to pick a fight, but I ain't biting. Go insult someone else, see where that gets you.


it's not an insult....it's the truth!

[coupedeville]

Why are you replying to a thread you aren't reading? Doesn't make much
sense.

Personally, I think if you single KFC out you gotta go after quite a few more
fast food giants as well. KFC isn't alone in what they're doing. But it is as good
a start as any though.

I like people who use their fame and influence to pressure big companies
make positive changes in their business model and practices. This is something
that is rare in our capitalist society and I always kind of expected the B-Boys
to speak on animal cruelty sooner or later.

[Documad]

Why are you replying to a thread you aren't reading? Doesn't make much
sense.
Good point! But I fear it happens here rather often. :rolleyes: Mainly when someone bears a grudge against another board member and starts stalking her.

[MarkedCube]

I haven't heard any new bboys news lately besides the grammys, until today I was flipping through channels and saw footage of Ch Ch Check it Out and they were talking about the Beastie Boys teaming up with Al Sharpton and Russel Simmons going against KFC, I was a bit :confused:

But after reading this thread, I think its great for them to use their fame for causes like this. Poor chickens, why do they have to be tortured them like that before killing them, its not right. How would you like it if you were trapped in a cage and forced to eat the same shit everyday while getting body parts cutted off.

I haven't ate KFC in a long time because I always feel sleepy and slow afterwards.

[cj hood]

Good point! But I fear it happens here rather often. :rolleyes: Mainly when someone bears a grudge against another board member and starts stalking her.


come on...this is the most attention those ladies have gotten from a man in 30 years......but i digress.....anyway....you don't need to read all 7 pages to get the gist of the thread.....

kfc beats up their chickens......the beasties are against it......most are with the beasties cuz their mindless zombies, some are with them cuz they have knowledge on the topic.....and the rest aren't concerned or don't want their favorite band fighting the colnel, but battling mc's.......

[RobMoney]

KFC chicken tastes good though

[RobMoney]

I actually can form my own opinions without the help of the Beastie Boys thank you very much.


I LOVE the fact that the Beasties stand for what they believe in. It's a sign of greatness in my opinion. Much like Muhammad Ali, and MLK, they actually stand for something.

Now with that being said, I also realize that they don't always stand for the right thing, or the thing I believe is right.

Back around 1990 somewhere, they played a benefit in support of Mumia Abu-Jamal. He is a man on death row charged with shooting a cop at near point-blank range on the streets of Philadelphia. Mumia Abu-Jamal was a radio DJ and a member of a militant Black group called "MOVE". The facts of the case are overwhelming, they support his guilt and are a major topic of discussion in Philadelphia.

I nearly renounced my support of the Beasties for taking up Mumia's side, but later realized......meh, nobody's perfect!

[wavin_goodbye]

I actually can form my own opinions without the help of the Beastie Boys thank you very much.


I LOVE the fact that the Beasties stand for what they believe in. It's a sign of greatness in my opinion. Much like Muhammad Ali, and MLK, they actually stand for something.

Now with that being said, I also realize that they don't always stand for the right thing, or the thing I believe is right.

Back around 1990 somewhere, they played a benefit in support of Mumia Abu-Jamal. He is a man on death row charged with shooting a cop at near point-blank range on the streets of Philadelphia. Mumia Abu-Jamal was a radio DJ and a member of a militant Black group called "MOVE". The facts of the case are overwhelming, they support his guilt and are a major topic of discussion in Philadelphia.

I nearly renounced my support of the Beasties for taking up Mumia's side, but later realized......meh, nobody's perfect!


you made a mistake in your post. it's "facts".

[cj hood]

I actually can form my own opinions without the help of the Beastie Boys thank you very much.


I LOVE the fact that the Beasties stand for what they believe in. It's a sign of greatness in my opinion. Much like Muhammad Ali, and MLK, they actually stand for something.

Now with that being said, I also realize that they don't always stand for the right thing, or the thing I believe is right.

Back around 1990 somewhere, they played a benefit in support of Mumia Abu-Jamal. He is a man on death row charged with shooting a cop at near point-blank range on the streets of Philadelphia. Mumia Abu-Jamal was a radio DJ and a member of a militant Black group called "MOVE". The facts of the case are overwhelming, they support his guilt and are a major topic of discussion in Philadelphia.

I nearly renounced my support of the Beasties for taking up Mumia's side, but later realized......meh, nobody's perfect!

try around 2000!

[cosmo105]

come on...this is the most attention those ladies have gotten from a man in 30 years
oh yeah, personal attacks really strengthen your arguments.


your kid's still ugly.

[yeahwho]

I just went through this whole thread and came up with some conclusions. I live in the United States and still value my first amendment rights. The Beastie Boy's have the freedom to support any cause they feel fit. I'm backing them on this cause for one simple reason.

KFC is now part of a publicly traded corporation call Yum! Last year alone, Yum! (http://www.yum.com/) and its franchisees spent more than $600 million in consumer advertising.

The Beastie Boys lent their name and signed a letter, (cost? considerably less than $600 million).

Their letter (http://www.peta2.com/ot/page/BeastieBoystoKFCx.PDF) just points out that KFC (http://www.kfc.com/about/animalwelfare_guidelines.htm) has the influence to make much needed changes in the way these animals are treated, that this could be a win/win situation if they make the proper changes and follow PETA and KFC's own animal humane guidelines.


Awareness of how food is processed and marketed in the year 2005 is a right that should have equal bearing as the multi billion dollar ad agencies have bombarding our perceptions. We are the first full fast food generation. The Beastie Boy's have shown bravery and honor in their stance of making us all the more aware of this issue. (y) Proud to be a fan.

[ImTheAquaWalrus]

You can visit http://www.peta2.com/ot/o-BeastieBoys05.asp?c=48 for more info, and being vegetarian rocks! Down with the colonel!

[cj hood]

oh yeah, personal attacks really strengthen your arguments.


your kid's still ugly.

i hope your not insulting my children........i really hope this isn't the case!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NoSleepTill]

Okay, please excuse my laziness in not going through the other 8 pages....so don't get angry if someone has posted this already. Someone already posted a lyric with Ad Rock's love for the colonel, but this is from the latest Q magazine, the "Every picture tells a story. In the frames: Beastie Boys" thing.
[Disclaimer: I'm not posting this to point fingers, because the Beasties have changed over the years on a lot of issues and have matured, but this is just a funny thing to read at this point in time]
Caption for Beasties at the KFC, and MCA with a piece of chicken in his mouth.
"KFC Break from 1986 tour:
Ad Rock: 'It's Kentucky Fried Chicken, for sure. I like KFC. I'm not guilty about it. I've seen chickens killed.'
MCA: 'You've actually seen what they serve at KFC killed? I once saw the back door of a burger restaurant's truck flye open and a dead gorilla flew out. That is a fact.' "

[Laver1969]

Okay, please excuse my laziness in not going through the other 8 pages....so don't get angry if someone has posted this already. Someone already posted a lyric with Ad Rock's love for the colonel, but this is from the latest Q magazine, the "Every picture tells a story. In the frames: Beastie Boys" thing.
[Disclaimer: I'm not posting this to point fingers, because the Beasties have changed over the years on a lot of issues and have matured, but this is just a funny thing to read at this point in time]
Caption for Beasties at the KFC, and MCA with a piece of chicken in his mouth.
"KFC Break from 1986 tour:
Ad Rock: 'It's Kentucky Fried Chicken, for sure. I like KFC. I'm not guilty about it. I've seen chickens killed.'
MCA: 'You've actually seen what they serve at KFC killed? I once saw the back door of a burger restaurant's truck flye open and a dead gorilla flew out. That is a fact.' "

Can you scan and post this?

[cj hood]

Okay, please excuse my laziness in not going through the other 8 pages....so don't get angry if someone has posted this already. Someone already posted a lyric with Ad Rock's love for the colonel, but this is from the latest Q magazine, the "Every picture tells a story. In the frames: Beastie Boys" thing.
[Disclaimer: I'm not posting this to point fingers, because the Beasties have changed over the years on a lot of issues and have matured, but this is just a funny thing to read at this point in time]
Caption for Beasties at the KFC, and MCA with a piece of chicken in his mouth.
"KFC Break from 1986 tour:
Ad Rock: 'It's Kentucky Fried Chicken, for sure. I like KFC. I'm not guilty about it. I've seen chickens killed.'
MCA: 'You've actually seen what they serve at KFC killed? I once saw the back door of a burger restaurant's truck flye open and a dead gorilla flew out. That is a fact.' "

nice research.......good to see you have a mind of your own........

[Bobtwi]

I actually can form my own opinions without the help of the Beastie Boys thank you very much.


I LOVE the fact that the Beasties stand for what they believe in. It's a sign of greatness in my opinion. Much like Muhammad Ali, and MLK, they actually stand for something.

Now with that being said, I also realize that they don't always stand for the right thing, or the thing I believe is right.

Back around 1990 somewhere, they played a benefit in support of Mumia Abu-Jamal. He is a man on death row charged with shooting a cop at near point-blank range on the streets of Philadelphia. Mumia Abu-Jamal was a radio DJ and a member of a militant Black group called "MOVE". The facts of the case are overwhelming, they support his guilt and are a major topic of discussion in Philadelphia.

I nearly renounced my support of the Beasties for taking up Mumia's side, but later realized......meh, nobody's perfect!
Look if you like chicken eat it.If you think it's wrong what they're doing to the chickens dont.Dont let the Beasties make your fucking decisions for you!Right is right and wrong is wrong.Make your own decisions.I was in Philly yesterday and seen those yahoos out in front of city hall protesting to let that mula or what ever his name is out. I think he's guilty from what I know.I could care less what AdRock,MCA or Mike D think.I dig them and thier music but you gotta have your own mind.Nuff said.

[Documad]

Back around 1990 somewhere, they played a benefit in support of Mumia Abu-Jamal. He is a man on death row charged with shooting a cop at near point-blank range on the streets of Philadelphia. Mumia Abu-Jamal was a radio DJ and a member of a militant Black group called "MOVE". The facts of the case are overwhelming, they support his guilt and are a major topic of discussion in Philadelphia.
I don't want to start some whole new thing, but this interests me because it stirred a long forgotten memory. I don't know most of the facts of the case. I don't really care whether he killed the officer. What I care about is whether the trial was fair. I don't remember too much about the case, and I never knew all the facts, but what I did hear was disturbing because it didn't square with my idea of what a fair trial is in the US. Is it true that he wanted to represent himself and was not permitted to? Is it true that he was not allowed to be present in court during part of his trial? I also heard the jury was told a lot of things about his beliefs and character that wouldn't be admissible in my state. I don't know whether it was true.

I am generally pro-police. But I really worry when a case gets a lot of attention, like when a cop gets killed, that there will be a rush to justice. The worse the facts of the case, the more difficult it is to ensure a fair trial.

Not related to his case, but I can never forget the image on our news of the city on fire after the police fire bombed the MOVE people. I couldn't imagine that happening in my country. I've never understood what was behind it, why the city thought it was necessary. Sadly, it is still my most vivid image of the city.

BTW--I am anti-death penalty in all cases. And I'm for extra scrutiny before a state puts a citizen to death.

[Yauch]

for the record:

we did not draft this letter. a lady was walking around an airport in australia asking people to sign it. i thought (and i assume that adam and mike did as well) that it was a petition that she was getting as many signatures on as she could. so i signed it thinking that i was just helping out with something that might stop a little unnecessary suffering of some birds. but i thought that my name would appear in conjunction with thousands of others.

by the look of what is posted here, she must have scanned our sigs, photo shopped them neatly in order and added our names typed in so that it would look like we drafted and sent the letter. and if you guys are seeing it on msnbc, then she must have sent it out with a press release.

sincerely,
MCAdam Yauch

[Lindsey_1535]

hmmm bad news bear I think, awfully sneaky I say
ha MCAdam Yauch, classy

[jennyb]

Whelp! There ya have it.

I'd be soooooo pissed if I were manipulated like that. Wow.

[Documad]

YEAH!!!!!!

Oooooh, see how horrible those PETA people are!!! What tactics!!!

Man, I'm so glad Yauch posted.

[Burnout18]

so do u guys eat KFC still?

[Documad]

BTW -- My one question for the Beastie Boys in that other thread was who really wrote the PETA letter. Now, I have my answer. So cool.

But now I'm thinking maybe I should have been more ambitious in my choice of one question. Hmmm.

[Documad]

I know, and the PETA people have been spamming this board with links, too. Jesus, I'm beginning to understand what everyone has against PETA...
I'm guessing you don't see as much of them in Canada as we do down here.

And I'm glad I didn't quit on my 1000th post now. I would have missed this!

[enree erzweglle]

Jesus, I'm beginning to understand what everyone has against PETA...

PETA doesn't seem to realize that they do their cause a disservice with things like this. I think that many of their members are beyond reason and maybe rightfully so given a lot of what happens out there, but their actions detract from the bigger cause. Why don't they see that. PETA needs to do more sanity checks among their members, but I think in the end, they actually encourage this type of fanaticism.

[cosmo105]

YEAH!!!!!!

Oooooh, see how horrible those PETA people are!!! What tactics!!!

Man, I'm so glad Yauch posted.
told you guys they were f'd up. i'll be damned. thanks for alerting me, Documad.

[Alli]

Damn see that's why PETA is (n)

Thanks for clearing it all up Yauch. That's whack what they did

[Yauch]

Damn see that's why PETA is (n)

Thanks for clearing it all up Yauch. That's whack what they did

ho shit! i just did a search on google, and there are like a billion news items about this.

[Alli]

Just curious is there anything you guys can do about this? Or is it just kinda of a blow you take for fame?

[rosita]

Just curious is there anything you guys can do about this? Or is it just kinda of a blow you take for fame?

If I were them, I'd definitely do something about it. Who knows what else some sick people would do with the signatures.... They could even make up a letter saying that the boys love Bush & that all was just one big joke and neatly scan & put their signatures under it.
All that shit would be NOT funny....

[Documad]

ho shit! i just did a search on google, and there are like a billion news items about this.
Yes, and did you see what good company you're in? Sorry to rub it in. :o

It must suck being a public figure sometimes, and I'm not kissing ass.

[Alli]

Yeah I would think theres some forgery charges or something in there. Totally not cool. I googled it up to and it is basically on every major and not so major news site. I dunno that's the beef I have with groups like PETA. I mean it's a nice cause animal rights but people take things really far sometimes. I just don't understand it. At least we heard from Yauch himself that what the real deal is. I hope that the truth can come out. Cause that's pretty low to do what they did.


Got porn on the mind Documad :p

[Documad]

Got porn on the mind Documad :p
I'm just glad it's so late at night and hopefully no one but wints saw my horrific typo! :o

[Alli]

I'm not trying to downplay the importance of animal rights. Don't get me wrong wints. Just saying that you do get the crackpots associated with it because of associations like PETA. Which is why I have never really liked their organization. They are extremists... in my opinion that is.

[Documad]

I wonder whether PETA similarly cornered the other celebs to get their signatures:

"Rock icon Chrissie Hynde" -- frankly, I'm sure she really signed it, but I hope she would rather die than be called that!
"Punk superstars Good Charlotte"
"Actress and musician Juliette Lewis" -- that's my fav!
"Retro-metal band The Darkness"
"Modern-rock stars Jet" and
"Indie Legends The Flaming Lips"

[Alli]

Were they the first ones to publish any info about this letter? Also curious as to why KFC didn't comment about the legitmacy of the letter or do you think they fabricated it and sent it to KFC and then let someone else come out with it first.

Tricksy Hobbitssess


i need to sleep

[valvano]

yauch,
sorry to hear you guys got scammed by these idiots here in virginia....

we've got the peta freaks and pat roberson at one end, and jerry falwell at the other end. but virginia is still a pretty nice place to live (mountains on one end, beach on the other)

i guess this justifies my referring to peta as a bunch of wacked out idiots. and it does cheapen the whole bs of celebrities pushing their causes on the public.

and that peta is more interesting in fund raising than in actually helping animals.


(y)

[cj hood]

Look if you like chicken eat it.If you think it's wrong what they're doing to the chickens dont.Dont let the Beasties make your fucking decisions for you!Right is right and wrong is wrong.Make your own decisions.I was in Philly yesterday and seen those yahoos out in front of city hall protesting to let that mula or what ever his name is out. I think he's guilty from what I know.I could care less what AdRock,MCA or Mike D think.I dig them and thier music but you gotta have your own mind.Nuff said.


thank you.......nice to know i'm not the only one here with a spine.......

[cj hood]

for the record:

we did not draft this letter. a lady was walking around an airport in australia asking people to sign it. i thought (and i assume that adam and mike did as well) that it was a petition that she was getting as many signatures on as she could. so i signed it thinking that i was just helping out with something that might stop a little unnecessary suffering of some birds. but i thought that my name would appear in conjunction with thousands of others.

by the look of what is posted here, she must have scanned our sigs, photo shopped them neatly in order and added our names typed in so that it would look like we drafted and sent the letter. and if you guys are seeing it on msnbc, then she must have sent it out with a press release.

sincerely,
MCAdam Yauch



please walk in an orderly fashion as you all exit the bandwagon.......thank you......

[PaddyBoy]

This thread has been thouroughly entertaining.

What happened to the Bboys here is shitty. PETA seem to be a bunch of lunatics.

It reminds me of the funny ad Wyclef Jean was in, where he signed what he thought was just an autograph for a fan, but it turned out to be a contract to become the person's butler. Cut to him ironing her shirt in a tiny trailer. So you see, it could have been worse guys. :cool:

[Carlita]

Damn, people can be so stupid! The boys are working for a good cause, and then other people take advantage of them.. so so wrong!

Never give up boys!

[valvano]

that squirel hazing thing is pretty funny

[enree erzweglle]

I wonder if the airport woman knew that they were the Beastie Boys and later someone else recognized the signatures and did the photoshopping. Does anyone know if the woman approached them because of who they are or just because they were in the airport along with others who were being approached...?

[wavin_goodbye]

It's unfortunate that the band have this false press about them being circulated at this time. They should be garnering media attention for their Grammy nominations and success with To The Five Boroughs, but instead people are reading about how they supposedly feel about KFC's treatment of chickens.

The really bad thing about it is the story wasn't limited to North American and European distribution. The Associated Press picked up the story and put it in its worldstream, which means the story was translated into every major language and distributed to all of its news sources (read: thousands of newspapers worldwide). Even with a published correction, the Beastie Boys will likely be erroneously referred to as the band that supported PETA's fight against KFC in future press.

I hope that the band's attorney has some words with PETA and their publicist gets some press releases out correcting the story -- ones that make PETA look like shit.


well.. what difference does it make.

they did sign the petition.. so they are against the abuse of the chicks.. whats the big deal.

i'm not a huge fan of peta, but im happy they did it. this thread alone might have caused 10, 20 or a 100 people to watch that video, and maybe not eat at kfc anymore.
if it affected one person, then it is worth it.

[Bobtwi]

well.. what difference does it make.

they did sign the petition.. so they are against the abuse of the chicks.. whats the big deal.

i'm not a huge fan of peta, but im happy they did it. this thread alone might have caused 10, 20 or a 100 people to watch that video, and maybe not eat at kfc anymore.
if it affected one person, then it is worth it.
If they treated the chickens better for instance,hooked up thier coop,bathed them regularly,gave a decent meal or two a day.Would you eat KFC then?

[wavin_goodbye]

i dont eat fast food period..
or meat for that matter.

[enree erzweglle]

they did sign the petition.. so they are against the abuse of the chicks.. whats the big deal.

There's a difference between signing a petition (with lots of other people) and having your name extracted from that petition and making it look as though you wrote & signed a letter that you never actually wrote or signed. Unless there was fine print that indicated that PETA would do this or unless the woman at the airport explained this in person, I would say that it's an unethical practice, but what else is new with PETA?

[Bobtwi]

Well thats what I thought.To each his own.Dont hate on us chicken eatin fools.

[wavin_goodbye]

Well thats what I thought.To each his own.Dont hate on us chicken eatin fools.

im not hating at all. do whatever the fuck you want. but it could change some peoples lives..

and enree, i acknowledge that what they did wasnt correct.. but in the end, i support it.

[RobMoney]

I was in Philly yesterday and seen those yahoos out in front of city hall protesting to let that mula or what ever his name is out. I think he's guilty from what I know.I could care less what AdRock,MCA or Mike D think.I dig them and thier music but you gotta have your own mind.Nuff said.



Those guys are out there in front of City Hall all the time protesting all types of afro-american causes. I always look to see if Green-Earth Al is there protesting with them. It wouldn't shock me in the least to see him there one day. (y)



I actually can form my own opinions without the help of the Beastie Boys thank you very much.

I also realize that they don't always stand for the right thing, or the thing I believe is right.


Not everyone who supports just causes are just. The moral of the story here folks............Don't be a sheep, form your own opinion. Apparently even the Beasties can be manipulated.

[wavin_goodbye]

as long as it wasnt promoting people being killed, abused, sweatshops etc.. i wouldnt care.

edit: profit, power....

[wavin_goodbye]

the welfare of others comes above reputation

[wavin_goodbye]

apparently the peta papparazzi took this shot of this celeb while in his house, and pasted the words around him.

http://www.furisdead.com/page/rodmanthink-72.pdf

:p

[Rich Cheney]

I like BIG BUTTS and I can't lie.
All you other brothers can't deny.

[Bobtwi]

im not hating at all. do whatever the fuck you want. but it could change some peoples lives..

and enree, i acknowledge that what they did wasnt correct.. but in the end, i support it.
You say you aint hatin.Your reply with the f-bomb makes me think otherwise.My point is you shouldnt need the Beasties to make a decision on weather or not to eat at KFC or not.MMMM...it does go well with the chicken.

[wavin_goodbye]

You say you aint hatin.Your reply with the f-bomb makes me think otherwise.My point is you shouldnt need the Beasties to make a decision on weather or not to eat at KFC or not.MMMM...it does go well with the chicken.


i agree with you.. and they didnt influence my decision.. but if they influence others i wont protest.

[wavin_goodbye]

Exactly. Jeez, it's pretty lame to suggest that anyone who happens to disagree with you is a sheep, you guys. Eat your chicken, no one's stopping you. But let us have our opinions as well. Thanks.

exactamente. (y)

[Bobtwi]

i agree with you.. and they didnt influence my decision.. but if they influence others i wont protest.
I hear you brother.There are some yahoos on here that would do things just because the Boys do it.Influencing is ok.But for someone to not eat Kfc just solely based on the Boys signature on a piece of paper is rediculous.

[cj hood]

You say you aint hatin.Your reply with the f-bomb makes me think otherwise.My point is you shouldnt need the Beasties to make a decision on weather or not to eat at KFC or not.MMMM...it does go well with the chicken.


delicious again bobtwi.......now let's go get some kfc!!!

[Bobtwi]

delicious again bobtwi.......now let's go get some kfc!!!
Allright CJ Im buyin.

[wavin_goodbye]

Oh, good god, please tell us who said that and where. I don't want to start something here, but I'm sick to death of the 'sheep' argument. I see no evidence of it whatsoever.

i think he brought it up because i was basically saying that if people are willing to follow, then i say lead.

[Bobtwi]

Just hoping he could actually point out the 'yahoos' he was referring to...
Im refering to any old yahoo wints.Do you mean to tell me that there arent any on here at all.Like the people that bought the icecream shirts just because Yauch wore it and not because they thought it was a cool shirt.

[yeahwho]

Im refering to any old yahoo wints.Do you mean to tell me that there arent any on here at all.Like the people that bought the icecream shirts just because Yauch wore it and not because they thought it was a cool shirt.

Hey I was just contributing to this thread. Plus it's y-e-a-h-w-h-o, NOT yahoo. :rolleyes:

[Bobtwi]

Ah, okay... I guess they're on here somewhere, they just don't speak up as much as those of us with our own opinions.
I just gave you an example with the icecream shirt thing.

[Bobtwi]

What, you're not naming names? :rolleyes:
I didnt memorize the names.Plus it's not polite to name names.

[YoungRemy]

People For The Ethical Treatment of Adam


nice move PETA (n)

nobody asked Yauch when they were playing Puerto rico, did they?

[Bobtwi]

Whatever. Let's just not assume that you're not a yahoo because you eat chicken, and that everyone who chooses not to is a yahoo (or sheep, or whichever insult you guys have today), because of which side the band happens to come down on, yeah?
So your right and Im wrong,according to you.Thats what makes these boards so freakin intresting.Which came first the chicken or the egg?

[BGirl]

I hear you brother.There are some yahoos on here that would do things just because the Boys do it.Influencing is ok.But for someone to not eat Kfc just solely based on the Boys signature on a piece of paper is rediculous.

I don't think it's so much "The Beastie Boys think such-and-such so I will too" as "The Beastie Boys did what now? ... Oh, I had no idea that chickens were raised that way. How horrible. I'm not going to eat KFC anymore." It's about becoming aware of an issue, not blindly following what some artists say.

I'm not saying what PETA did was right - I never had a problem with them before, but I think a little bit less of them now after learning what they did here. Not cool. (n)

(Still, Yauch didn't seem to have THAT much of a problem with it? After all they did sign the petition and are down with the cause.)

[YoungRemy]

Which came first the chicken or the egg?

Sometimes hard boiled sometimes runny Ray
Comes from a chicken not a bunny dummy
People laugh, it's no joke
My name's Yauch and I'm throwing the yolk

[yeahwho]

Somehow or another, I think it all comes down to Bea Arthur being the most coolest person on earth. Really. She rocks. (y)

[K-nowledge]

I've said it before. And I'll say it again. Fuck PETA!

[wavin_goodbye]

why do you have to say it again?

[wavin_goodbye]

interesting..

i wonder if he has written to peta..

[Bobtwi]

interesting..

i wonder if he has written to peta..
Im sure either the Boys or thier lawyers have responded to PETA.

[rosita]

The strangest part of it is that the press just printed it without checking in to see if we really wrote or sent the letter.

I totaly agree with Yauch. This shows how many trust you can have in "the news" today. I always tought that you would only publish an article if you got your info from the source itself...Foolish me. If they don't know what they're talking about, why don't they just shut up.

[valvano]

if they want to crash at my house while their lawyers head down to tidewater they can....

hope they don't mind sharing a house with 3 kids.....but i can bake an awesome cheesecake

(y)

[RobMoney]

BANG!



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this thread cracks me up with the 180 you all did!

[wavin_goodbye]

I totaly agree with Yauch. This shows how many trust you can have in "the news" today. I always tought that you would only publish an article if you got your info from the source itself...Foolish me. If they don't know what they're talking about, why don't they just shut up.


with the popularity of the internet and instant-tv-news, i dont think any one takes the time to verify anything anymore. a year or 2 ago, someone made a prank about metallica, writing a fake article and setting up a website that looked like mtv's. every major music/news site picked it up, even mtv.

[Laver1969]

Yup, we're all running out to KFC right now. :rolleyes:

I'll stick with my original statement. Popeye's Chicken tastes better. (y)

[b-grrrlie]

Wo-how! Be away for a couple of days and what happens! :eek:
It took me ages to go through all the pages, and what PETA has done is both good AND bad. Pointing out the way KFC treat the chickens has woken up quite a lot of people, but the way they've used celebrity signatures sure makes the lawyers happy! I think the Beasties should sue PETA's ass off! Even tho they support the cause forgery is always forgery.

KFC never had any chance to establish in Sweden. I think they lasted here in Stockholm almost two weeks in the early 80's (I only ate there once, and that was a corn-on-a-cob). Sometimes big US-food chains can't put their foot in here either because of the strong nationalist mentality (McDonalds had difficulties opening a restaurant in northern Sweden cause people just wouldn't eat there, they already had their own chain, can't remember the name right now, and Starbucks ain't even trying because of all the Scandinavian coffee shop chains here).

Also the treatment of chicken and hens (and other animals) here has improved enormously during the last few years, these days at least 90% of the eggs are now free range. There's still some cheapo chains that import non-free range eggs, but they're not that succesful. People have the power here!

For the record, I don't eat at fast-food restaurants, I'm a vegetarian mainly because I believe in re-incarnation, but I'm also against mistreating of animals. I do eat eggs (always free-range, fed with organic food, more expensive, but worth it), occationally, and mainly when I'm baking (which isn't often) and I don't eat that much dairy because I'm lactose intolerant (it's gotten better tho' since not having a stress related job). I eat cheese (because I can! :D and it's good), and it's easier to find vegan cheese these days.

[cj hood]

BANG!



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this thread cracks me up with the 180 you all did!


gotta agree with you here........the usual suspects really changed their tune when yauch explained what was up.......

[YoungRemy]

someone should let Mr. Novak of KFC know the real story, and while we are at it, we should write our own petition to PETA against forgery and misrepresentation of the truth.

I had Boston Market last night, it was finger lickin good.


EAT MORE CHIKIN

[romanpetr]

little adds:

http://rus.delfi.lv/news/entertainm...php?id=10333261

that's article on russian language:

Beastie Boys защищают цыплят

@Music
11 февраля 2005 14:21

рэп-трио Beastie Boys присоединилось к кампании организации People For The Ethical Treatment of Animals (Люди за этическое отношение к животным), которая призывает бойкотировать сеть ресторанов быстрого питания Kentucky Fried Chicken.

В специальном письме к руководству компании исполнители пишут, что они возмущены тем, как жестоко обходятся с цыплятами, которые потом входят в состав блюд от KFC.

"Цыплят накалывают разными витаминами для роста, так что они толстеют до такой степени, что не могут ходить", — пишут музыканты. ранее в защиту служащих для человека пищей птичек выступал и Моби, правда, он озаботился жестокой судьбой индюшек.

Translation:

Rap-trio Beastie Boys has joined campaign of organization People For The Ethical Treatment of Animals (People for the ethical attitude to animals) which calls to boycott a network of restaurants of fast food Kentucky Fried Chicken.

In the special letter to a company management executors write, that they are indignant of how severely manage with chickens, who then are part of dishes from KFC.

" Chickens get different vitamins for growth, so they get fat up to such degree ,that they cannot go ", - musicians write. Earlier in protection of birdies, which was a food for the persons acted and Moby, the truth, it has attended to severe destiny of turkeys.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hmmm,I like the chicken ,but only like a food .... :)

[betaband]

let the backlash begin:

from rollingstone.com

In an apparent effort to make amends for the trauma they caused our avian brethren by performing "The Egg Man" lo those many years, the Beastie Boys have joined the ranks of celebrities supporting PETA's boycott of the Kentucky Fried Chicken chain. The organization has long maintained that KFC is responsible for inhumane treatment of the birds it eventually dips into eleven secret herbs and spices, and that the Colonel's minions continually refuse to make living conditions better for their feathered friends. Now, if only Ad Rock and company would agree to take part in our expose of the Carvel folks' abuse of Cookie Puss . . .

pretty funny stuff

[valvano]

i've always wondered if they ripped the egg man from john water's pink flamingos

[Yuuzeee!?]

In Japan,
some music news sites report about this news.
And almost Japanese Fan may believe the false report.

ho shit! i just did a search on google, and there are like a billion news items about this.

[Documad]

Has everyone seen the expanded version of Yauch's message here (http://www.beastieboys.com/news.php?id=44651)?
Now THAT's a letter I can believe was written by a Beastie Boy! :D

[Alli]

Well It's nice to see a letterf from Adam went up on the front page of the webbie for those who may be directed to this site from the article. (y)

[Yuuzeee!?]

In Japan,
Today,this false news was reported in one of the Most popular BBS website.
Many people seemed to believe.
The true story that someone posted buried in many posts.
Totaly this article give a bad impression about BBoys.
Almost japanese BBoys fans don't(can't) read this site and Yauch's comment.
i hope the real fact to be reported in japanese news site,in japanese BBoys site soon. :(
Now THAT's a letter I can believe was written by a Beastie Boy! :D

[Bobtwi]

In Japan,
Today,this false news was reported in one of the Most popular BBS website.
Many people seemed to believe.
The true story that someone posted buried in many posts.
Totaly this article give a bad impression about BBoys.
Almost japanese BBoys fans don't(can't) read this site and Yauch's comment.
i hope the real fact to be reported in japanese news site,in japanese BBoys site soon. :(
Well why dont you translate the article so the truth can be told my brother.

[Ashleigh]

They definitely have Taco Bell/Pizza Hut combos...and KFC/Pizza Hut combos here in Chicagoland. But I like pizza better than chicken.

They do have a song called 5-piece chicken dinner. But it's probably not KFC...hopefully Popeye's. :p

The company that owns them all is called YUM. They own All American Food, KFC, Long John Silvers, Pizza Hut and Taco Bell.

I'm cringin' right now, cuz I work for KFC down here in Oz. Not very proud of myself right now!! But there are a couple of us that work there that are beastie fans, so i'm not by myself!

[Ashleigh]

The company that owns them all is called YUM. They own All American Food, KFC, Long John Silvers, Pizza Hut and Taco Bell.

I'm cringin' right now, cuz I work for KFC down here in Oz. Not very proud of myself right now!! But there are a couple of us that work there that are beastie fans, so i'm not by myself!

I mean, i know the letter's a fake, but still...when it was happening i was a bit emarassed.

[Yuuzeee!?]

Yesterday,I've contributed to
"TOSHIBA-EMI" ,"BARKS" and BBoys fan site. (y)

TOSHIBA-EMI -> manage BBoys official web site in Japan.
BARKS-> music news site
"BBoys join campaign against KFC"
http://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000005476&m=hiphop

Well why dont you translate the article so the truth can be told my brother.

[enree erzweglle]

Well It's nice to see a letterf from Adam went up on the front page of the webbie for those who may be directed to this site from the article. (y)

...and with his recently bestowed administrator status, he might have put the words there himself. :)

[Yuuzeee!?]

:) Today,
BBoys Japanese Official site("TOSHIBA-EMI") (http://www.toshiba-emi.co.jp/beastieboys/news/index_j.htm) , music news site "BARKS" (http://www.barks.jp/news/?id=1000005540) and some news site report the facts. (y)
and I read the fact posted by fans on some popular BBS.

sorry, and thank you,b-grrrlie! :D
You should use the linking system when posting (the earth with the chain link)
Yesterday,I've contributed to
"TOSHIBA-EMI" ,"BARKS" and BBoys fan site. (y)

[b-grrrlie]

You should use the linking system when posting (the earth with the chain link), it would be easier on your constitution. ;D



I'm a bit curious, is this Beastie Boys in Japanese?

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/5636/japanese2by.jpg

[Yuuzeee!?]

Thanks for your help.

You should use the linking system when posting (the earth with the chain link), it would be easier on your constitution. ;D



I'm a bit curious, is this Beastie Boys in Japanese?

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/5636/japanese2by.jpg

No,"Hiphop/Club" in Japanese.

and this is "Beastie Boys","CH-CHECK IT OUT" in Japanese. ;)

http://proxy.ymdb.yahoofs.jp/users/50bf473e/bc/%a5%d3%a1%bc%a5%b9%a5%c6%a5%a3%a1%bc%cf%c2%cc%f5.j pg?bcOaqYCBuYX1Qcfk

[alexandra]

very entertaining thread, spank you all.

[thejuryisout]

Whether people agree with PETA or their campaigns is beside the point. The boys' original intent of asking KFC to improve the welfare of their chickens is what matters. Also, just because they happen to agree with PETA on this one thing doesn't mean they agree on everything. Charlize Theron made an anti-fur ad, but that doesn't mean she's suddenly vegan.

I did some checking on various PETA sites and I think if you watch the undercover video (http://www.petatv.com/tvpopup/Prefs.asp?video=pilgrims_web) of the crap done to chickens slaughtered for KFC, people will see why the boys were cool with signing on against it.

[ChrissyMatt]

I'm a PETA member and I never post on boards, but once I found out about the Beastie Boys signing a letter (or petition) to help end the intense suffering these chickens go through, I was inspired to register to give the guys my thanks. I'm sorry I ran into this thread, it's disheartening to read everyone talking about eating more chicken just because of this story. PETA is only asking KFC to treat their chickens MORE humanely, not stop slaughtering them altogether. I know, because I've received mailings from them and KFC's chicken supplier cuts the beaks off of small chicks, shoves them into cages so small that they can't spread their wings, pumps them full of drugs so they'll grow abnormally large and when they're slaughtered, they're slammed into leg shackles and held upside down flapping and frightened, and some miss the throat-slashing blade and are actually thrown into the boiling hot defeathering tanks alive.

These chickens are tortured every day of their very short lives. Now why does this have to be? I mean, really, people. Why can't they treat their animals decently before they're killed for us to eat? PETA wants KFC to do what Burger King and McDonald's have done and require their chicken suppliers to treat their birds with a little respect.

[Alli]

And they do so by forging documents and running questionable ad campaigns :D

[Rich Cheney]

I'm a PETA member and I never post on boards, but once I found out about the Beastie Boys signing a letter (or petition) to help end the intense suffering these chickens go through, I was inspired to register to give the guys my thanks. I'm sorry I ran into this thread, it's disheartening to read everyone talking about eating more chicken just because of this story. PETA is only asking KFC to treat their chickens MORE humanely, not stop slaughtering them altogether. I know, because I've received mailings from them and KFC's chicken supplier cuts the beaks off of small chicks, shoves them into cages so small that they can't spread their wings, pumps them full of drugs so they'll grow abnormally large and when they're slaughtered, they're slammed into leg shackles and held upside down flapping and frightened, and some miss the throat-slashing blade and are actually thrown into the boiling hot defeathering tanks alive.

These chickens are tortured every day of their very short lives. Now why does this have to be? I mean, really, people. Why can't they treat their animals decently before they're killed for us to eat? PETA wants KFC to do what Burger King and McDonald's have done and require their chicken suppliers to treat their birds with a little respect.

I can't answer your questions, maybe you can answer mine.

Why does PETA hijack celeberities for their cause?

[thejuryisout]

I can't answer your questions, maybe you can answer mine.

Why does PETA hijack celeberities for their cause?From what Yauch said in his statement, it didn't sound like "hijacking." Perhaps it was more of a misunderstanding? Maybe the woman in the airport didn't make herself and her petition completely understood. Regardless, he still called what KFC allows "unnecessary suffering."

If PETA really did "hijack" celebrities, they'd have a whole lot of trouble on their hands, and not even Anna Nicole Smith would want their publicity.

[ChrissyMatt]

I can't answer your questions, maybe you can answer mine.

Why does PETA hijack celeberities for their cause?

I don't know what happened with the petition or letter, I just thought it sucked that everyone was talking about eating more chicken because of this. I think PETA has a point, that's all. As far as hijacking celebrities, has PETA done this in the past?

[cj hood]

I'm a PETA member and I never post on boards, but once I found out about the Beastie Boys signing a letter (or petition) to help end the intense suffering these chickens go through, I was inspired to register to give the guys my thanks. I'm sorry I ran into this thread, it's disheartening to read everyone talking about eating more chicken just because of this story. PETA is only asking KFC to treat their chickens MORE humanely, not stop slaughtering them altogether. I know, because I've received mailings from them and KFC's chicken supplier cuts the beaks off of small chicks, shoves them into cages so small that they can't spread their wings, pumps them full of drugs so they'll grow abnormally large and when they're slaughtered, they're slammed into leg shackles and held upside down flapping and frightened, and some miss the throat-slashing blade and are actually thrown into the boiling hot defeathering tanks alive.

These chickens are tortured every day of their very short lives. Now why does this have to be? I mean, really, people. Why can't they treat their animals decently before they're killed for us to eat? PETA wants KFC to do what Burger King and McDonald's have done and require their chicken suppliers to treat their birds with a little respect.


that's not that bad...

[Burnout18]

It's very important we treat chickens with respect before we eat them, and then give the bones to the family pet. I bet the dog will give the chicken a proper burial.

[valvano]

you shouldn't feed chicken bones to a dog, chicken bones splinter real easily....i've seen chicken bones puncture a dogs guts

[valvano]

These chickens are tortured every day of their very short lives. Now why does this have to be? I mean, really, people. Why can't they treat their animals decently before they're killed for us to eat? PETA wants KFC to do what Burger King and McDonald's have done and require their chicken suppliers to treat their birds with a little respect.

when you say torture, do you mean they are being forced to pray, or make reference to God?

surely, in this day and age, there can be no harsher a torture put on any creature than being exposed to pray or God???

:D

[Burnout18]

you shouldn't feed chicken bones to a dog, chicken bones splinter real easily....i've seen chicken bones puncture a dogs guts

ooo good heads up, i guess ill just unceremoniously throw out the bones.

[Laver1969]

you shouldn't feed chicken bones to a dog, chicken bones splinter real easily....i've seen chicken bones puncture a dogs guts
They're finger lickin' good, ya'll. :p

[wavin_goodbye]

I'm a PETA member and I never post on boards, but once I found out about the Beastie Boys signing a letter (or petition) to help end the intense suffering these chickens go through, I was inspired to register to give the guys my thanks. I'm sorry I ran into this thread, it's disheartening to read everyone talking about eating more chicken just because of this story. PETA is only asking KFC to treat their chickens MORE humanely, not stop slaughtering them altogether. I know, because I've received mailings from them and KFC's chicken supplier cuts the beaks off of small chicks, shoves them into cages so small that they can't spread their wings, pumps them full of drugs so they'll grow abnormally large and when they're slaughtered, they're slammed into leg shackles and held upside down flapping and frightened, and some miss the throat-slashing blade and are actually thrown into the boiling hot defeathering tanks alive.

These chickens are tortured every day of their very short lives. Now why does this have to be? I mean, really, people. Why can't they treat their animals decently before they're killed for us to eat? PETA wants KFC to do what Burger King and McDonald's have done and require their chicken suppliers to treat their birds with a little respect.

good post. theyre fools.. fuck em and their shoddy colons/testicles :D

[Peta-Sucks]

I don't know what happened with the petition or letter, I just thought it sucked that everyone was talking about eating more chicken because of this. I think PETA has a point, that's all. As far as hijacking celebrities, has PETA done this in the past?

PETA did the same thing to the Dalai Lama and sent the same letter to KFC.
I have no problem with treating my food source with respect...before I eat them. But PETA is not about respecting your food source, PETA is about turning the world vegan. Those 'hay eatters' will stop at nothing to boost their agenda....even lie.

P-oorly
E-ducated
T-ofu eating
A-dolescent

When talking to a PETA teen...you must first lower your IQ to accommodate their 'Disney' mentality. "Chickens are NOT food, they're cute little stuffed animals with pink bows."

[cosmo105]

this thread is still going on? damn.

what more could POSSIBLY be said about this subject? sheesh.

p.s. fuck you, i like tofu.

[Peta-Sucks]

this thread is still going on? damn.

what more could POSSIBLY be said about this subject? sheesh.

p.s. fuck you, i like tofu.

Hey, I need my lawn mowed, would you like some greens with that tofu?



"I never met a chicken I didn't like......................FRIED!" :D

[ChrissyMatt]

I emailed PETA and got this as a response:

Thank you for contacting PETA regarding the Beastie Boys. We appreciate the opportunity to respond to your concerns.

We have long admired the Beastie Boys’ willingness to speak up for what they believe in, so we were delighted when the trio signed a letter asking KFC to improve the humane standards it requires of its suppliers for the chickens who end up in the Colonel’s buckets. Although we did type in their names for readability, the content of the letter was exactly the same as when they signed.

Many other celebrities—including bands such as Good Charlotte, Black Eyed Peas, and The Flaming Lips, as well as Russell Simmons, John Feldmann of Goldfinger, Chrissie Hynde, and Sir Paul McCartney—have also spoken out against KFC’s policies, which cause sensitive, intelligent birds to suffer by the millions every day. To see our shocking video footage of slaughterhouse workers who were kicking, crushing, and ripping apart these gentle, inquisitive birds, visit http://www.PETA.org/feat/moorefield/. For more information about the campaign and to watch Rev. Al Sharpton’s new video detailing the cruelty that KFC supports, please go to http://www.KentuckyFriedCruelty.com.

Thanks again for taking the time to share your thoughts with us. We hope that this information is helpful.

Sincerely,



The PETA Staff
http://www.PETA.org

[pass_the_mic]

http://img228.exs.cx/img228/5494/is107251474ph.jpg

[b-grrrlie]

. (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=706200&postcount=16)

[pass_the_mic]

. (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=706200&postcount=16)


oops. i just found it and didn't want to look and see if had already been posted.

[Bourgie]

Yauch and Diamond seem to have forgotten how to sign their real names. :p

I noticed that too! Made me chuckle.

I still think it's a chicken in Stand Together.

You are the one of the funniest people on these boards. Practically every post I read from you makes me laugh even if it's not meant to be intentionally! :D

[Justin]

Hey just wondering where your sig is from?

[steve-onpoint]

for the record:

by the look of what is posted here, she must have scanned our sigs, photo shopped them neatly in order and added our names typed in so that it would look like we drafted and sent the letter. and if you guys are seeing it on msnbc, then she must have sent it out with a press release.

sincerely,
MCAdam Yauch

she's crafty :rolleyes:

[Spacializer]

ho shit! i just did a search on google, and there are like a billion news items about this.

even years later it will be like 24 hour news......

[DaytonaPaceCar]

Yeah, the video footage regarding the suppliers for KFC definitely points out a problem that needs to be dealt with. And celebrities help get the medias attention and in instances like this that helps get the ball rolling for necessary changes to take place. I am definitely not a "fan" of PETA myself as I too think they take a stance that is too radical in many cases and go to far in their actions many times as well. However, it is good to have them in place to help with legit problems regarding animals in instances such as this.

But, as some others have noted as well, I am a big fan of Popeye's Chicken - especially the Extra Spicey with their awesome mashed potatoes and gravy along with their biscuits! :D