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Echewta
02-10-2005, 12:45 PM
WASHINGTON, Feb. 9 - In the months before the Sept. 11 attacks, federal aviation officials reviewed dozens of intelligence reports that warned about Osama bin Laden and Al Qaeda, some of which specifically discussed airline hijackings and suicide operations, according to a previously undisclosed report from the 9/11 commission.

But aviation officials were "lulled into a false sense of security," and "intelligence that indicated a real and growing threat leading up to 9/11 did not stimulate significant increases in security procedures," the commission report concluded.

The report discloses that the Federal Aviation Administration, despite being focused on risks of hijackings overseas, warned airports in the spring of 2001 that if "the intent of the hijacker is not to exchange hostages for prisoners, but to commit suicide in a spectacular explosion, a domestic hijacking would probably be preferable."

The report takes the F.A.A. to task for failing to pursue domestic security measures that could conceivably have altered the events of Sept. 11, 2001, like toughening airport screening procedures for weapons or expanding the use of on-flight air marshals. The report, completed last August, said officials appeared more concerned with reducing airline congestion, lessening delays, and easing airlines' financial woes than deterring a terrorist attack.

The Bush administration has blocked the public release of the full, classified version of the report for more than five months, officials said, much to the frustration of former commission members who say it provides a critical understanding of the failures of the civil aviation system. The administration provided both the classified report and a declassified, 120-page version to the National Archives two weeks ago and, even with heavy redactions in some areas, the declassified version provides the firmest evidence to date about the warnings that aviation officials received concerning the threat of an attack on airliners and the failure to take steps to deter it.

Among other things, the report says that leaders of the F.A.A. received 52 intelligence reports from their security branch that mentioned Mr. bin Laden or Al Qaeda from April to Sept. 10, 2001. That represented half of all the intelligence summaries in that time.

Five of the intelligence reports specifically mentioned Al Qaeda's training or capability to conduct hijackings, the report said. Two mentioned suicide operations, although not connected to aviation, the report said.

Echewta
02-10-2005, 12:46 PM
As time marches on with freedom, more info will come forth to see how the goverment in general is protecting its own and not the people it serves.

YoungRemy
02-10-2005, 12:52 PM
none of this I havent read already.


what do you think the "Phoenix Memo" was?

the FBI warned the government the terrorists wanted to use airplanes as weapons of mas destruction in august of 2001. this is all available in the 9/11 Commission...

ASsman
02-10-2005, 01:28 PM
I'm sticking to the conspiracy theory.

Qdrop
02-10-2005, 01:37 PM
the real people/groups responsible for the security failures leading to 9/11 will NEVER be brought to justice in any way.
they will be protected by executive privelage, red tape, beaurocratic quagmire, and quickly fading public sentiment forever....

Calimero jr.
02-11-2005, 08:43 AM
something was and never will be right...

WHERE'S OSAMA!?!

he popped up right before the elections and since.....nothing

scaring the masses into Bush's hands?

As George said so cleverly, they can't catch him because he's hiding !!!
:p :p



Mouahahahahahahahaha !!!!! Holy shit what a clever answer....I wonder where in the White House h'es actually hiding ??? ;)

yeahwho
02-11-2005, 12:24 PM
In the months before Sept. 11, the Federal Aviation Administration told some of the nation's largest airports that if a terrorist wanted to hijack a plane to commit suicide in a "spectacular explosion," it would probably be a hijacking on U.S. soil rather than overseas.

On 52 occasions, from April 1, 2001, to Sept. 10, 2001, the FAA's own daily intelligence briefings contained references to the al-Qaida terror network and its leader, Osama bin Laden, mostly in regard to overseas threats.

LINK (http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-usfaa114141640feb11,0,891124.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines)

ASsman
02-11-2005, 12:26 PM
I still can't get passed the fact they didn't scrable jets up, when they saw the planes (THATS RIGHT MULTIPLE FUCKING PLANES) deviating from their flight course.

yeahwho
02-11-2005, 12:28 PM
The worlds best intellingence isn't going to mean anything to a box of rocks.

Evildoers

YoungRemy
02-11-2005, 12:43 PM
I still can't get passed the fact they didn't scrable jets up, when they saw the planes (THATS RIGHT MULTIPLE FUCKING PLANES) deviating from their flight course.


you should read the 9/11 report...
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch1.htm


they DID send up jets, but the whole system was flawed, they did not get there in time...

"Prior to 9/11, it was understood that an order to shoot down a commercial aircraft would have to be issued by the National Command Authority (a phrase used to describe the president and secretary of defense). Exercise planners also assumed that the aircraft would originate from outside the United States, allowing time to identify the target and scramble interceptors. The threat of terrorists hijacking commercial airliners within the United States-and using them as guided missiles-was not recognized by NORAD before 9/11."

"NEADS ordered to battle stations the two F-15 alert aircraft at Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Massachusetts, 153 miles away from New York City. The air defense of America began with this call.117

At NEADS, the report of the hijacking was relayed immediately to Battle Commander Colonel Robert Marr. After ordering the Otis fighters to battle stations, Colonel Marr phoned Major General Larry Arnold, commanding general of the First Air Force and NORAD's Continental Region. Marr sought authorization to scramble the Otis fighters. General Arnold later recalled instructing Marr to "go ahead and scramble them, and we'll get authorities later." General Arnold then called NORAD headquarters to report.118

F-15 fighters were scrambled at 8:46 from Otis Air Force Base. But NEADS did not know where to send the alert fighter aircraft, and the officer directing the fighters pressed for more information: "I don't know where I'm scrambling these guys to. I need a direction, a destination." Because the hijackers had turned off the plane's transponder, NEADS personnel spent the next minutes searching their radar scopes for the primary radar return. American 11 struck the North Tower at 8:46. Shortly after 8:50, while NEADS personnel were still trying to locate the flight, word reached them that a plane had hit the World Trade Center.119

Radar data show the Otis fighters were airborne at 8:53. Lacking a target, they were vectored toward military-controlled airspace off the Long Island coast. To avoid New York area air traffic and uncertain about what to do, the fighters were brought down to military airspace to "hold as needed. "From 9:09 to 9:13, the Otis fighters stayed in this holding pattern.120

In summary, NEADS received notice of the hijacking nine minutes before it struck the North Tower. That nine minutes' notice before impact was the most the military would receive of any of the four hijackings.121 "

ASsman
02-11-2005, 12:55 PM
Meh, I'll get to it.

I'd totally kick Americas ass in Rome: Total War.