Can You Say, Capital Punishment?

[racer5.0stang]

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050212/D88709TG0.html (http://)

NEW YORK (AP) - City health officials are working to track down sex partners of a man diagnosed with a rare strain of highly drug-resistant HIV that progressed rapidly to AIDS.

The virus was found in a man in his mid-40s who had unprotected sex with other men, often while using crystal methamphetamine, an addictive stimulant, health officials said Friday.

"We are not aware of another case like this in the United States, or elsewhere," said Dr. Ron Valdiserri, deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for HIV, STD, and TB Prevention.

Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas Frieden said the rare HIV strain is "difficult or impossible to treat."


If caught, he should be looking at 1st degree murder.

[SobaViolence]

i don't get it...?

[the been]

If caught, he should be looking at 1st degree murder.


I don't agree. If he was diagnosed as having HIV and then had unprotected sex, yes by all means.

BUT

If this guy didn't know he was infected and had sex....in my mind that is not a crime. Just stupidity for not being careful.

[Ace42]

AFAIK, murder in the first degree means the person must be proved to have premeditated the crime, and killed intentionally.

Unless you can prove that he wanted the people he screwed to die of AIDS, and had unprotected sex with them to do this; *AND* until they actually die, then it cannot be murder one.

[checkyourprez]

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20050212/D88709TG0.html (http://)

NEW YORK (AP) - City health officials are working to track down sex partners of a man diagnosed with a rare strain of highly drug-resistant HIV that progressed rapidly to AIDS.

The virus was found in a man in his mid-40s who had unprotected sex with other men, often while using crystal methamphetamine, an addictive stimulant, health officials said Friday.

"We are not aware of another case like this in the United States, or elsewhere," said Dr. Ron Valdiserri, deputy director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's National Center for HIV, STD, and TB Prevention.

Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas Frieden said the rare HIV strain is "difficult or impossible to treat."


If caught, he should be looking at 1st degree murder.


i dont know the answer this is why im asking. are you so quick to pass judgment because hes gay? and he deserves to be looking at first degree murder because hes homosexual and not because hes passing on aids. (no offense ment)

[racer5.0stang]

i dont know the answer this is why im asking. are you so quick to pass judgment because hes gay? and he deserves to be looking at first degree murder because hes homosexual and not because hes passing on aids. (no offense ment)


No offense taken. The health officials are obviously looking for him for a reason. They know that he has a rare strain of HIV and they know that he is in fact having unprotected sex. It is bad enough to have a disease that there is no known cure for, and actively pass it on to other people whether they be male or female. Sure, he may be unaware of his condition, but does that excuse him or his actions? What if does know of the disease in which he is infected with and is purposely spreading it?

It is unfortunate in either case. I may have been premature in my assumption but people have intentionally spread disease in the past.

[SobaViolence]

when was the last time a crak fiend knew much about anything?

[Rosie Cotton]

Racer, racer, racer. Where oh where does it say they are looking for him? It doesn't. You keep saying that city officials are looking for him. That may or may not be the case. The article said they were looking for his past partners, not him.

[synch]

Excellent point Rosie.

The man's HIV did not respond to three of four types of antiviral drugs most commonly prescribed; he is now receiving a fourth regimen, health officials said.

The man is apparently receiving treatment, not eluding a swat team. He is also seemingly not having unprotected sex after the diagnosis.

[ASsman]

He should be dead, and not having intercourse.
Darwinism > *

Only thing I have against gays.

[bb_bboy]

They are all being punished for their promiscuity.

[bb_bboy]

:p

[synch]

He should be dead, and not having intercourse.
Darwinism > *

Only thing I have against gays.
What, that they get laid and you don't? Or is that just me?

He's not having intercourse at the moment as he's dying from an incurable disease and under strict medical supervision as he's carrying a strain of that incurable disease that is even more likely to kill him than any other strain.

[bb_bboy]

He's not having intercourse at the moment as he's dying from an incurable disease ...

That's how I want to go.

[synch]

Not having intercourse? That's easy, that's how most people die.

[ASsman]

^ Check the name, I get more ass than any other man, for obvious reasons. Right, and so if he dies, it doesn't spread and the entire species doesn't die. Or only some survive, and those who survive are able to combat the disease and continue to spread their seed.

As for gays, they are weak and unproductive, in an evolutionary sense. They cannot reproduce, and thus not "fit" to survive. But people have the right to do as they please, aslong as it doesn't infringe upon my rights, so it's all good.

[Qdrop]

As for gays, they are weak and unproductive, in an evolutionary sense. They cannot reproduce, and thus not "fit" to survive. But people have the right to do as they please, aslong as it doesn't infringe upon my rights, so it's all good.

untrue.

homosexuals of any species are not able to reproduce, obviously.
but yet homosexual behavior pops up in virtually all animal species ever generation.
it is quite possible that is serves a purpose for survival (built in population control) and thus continues to turn up.....

[Echewta]

I agree Qdrop. And nobody takes into consideration about "chaos." Humans aren't perfect. Something always gets tweeked in someone when the DNA comes together. Some people become gay. Some people have a stronger chance of skin cancer. Some people are born dwarfs. It doesn't make it wrong.

[ASsman]

it is quite possible that is serves a purpose for survival (built in population control) and thus continues to turn up.....
Yah, built in population control, only the fit survive and reproduce.

[Qdrop]

Yah, built in population control, only the fit survive and reproduce.

overpopulation can weaken the social structure of group animals....
it may serve a purpose...

but who knows...

it could also just be re-occurring by-product of certain mildy common mutations in mammalian reproduction.
an evoloutionary quirk that a small % of the mammalian population will be prone to during genetic recombination in fertilization/mitosis...

one thing is for sure within the wild animal populace....IT ISN'T LEARNED BEHAVIOR....it ain't "a choice".

sorry, conservative bible thumpers.

[Ali]

Yah, built in population control, only the fit survive and reproduce.maybe if enough AIDS-infected people have unprotected sex, they'll develop an immunity to AIDS.

Evolution at work.

[ASsman]

one thing is for sure within the wild animal populace....IT ISN'T LEARNED BEHAVIOR....it ain't "a choice".
Sexual abuse does lead to it though, along with other problems.

[synch]

Am I the only one that finds it amusing that an anti-gay thread started by racer became a pro-evolution thread?

Oh...

Just me then...

[cosmo105]

^not necessarily.

granted, it does lead to problems.

[Qdrop]

Sexual abuse does lead to it though, along with other problems.


there really is no "one reason" why someone is gay or bisexual....

the mind is complex, and there are so many variables beyond just genetics that lead to certain behaviors....aka-environment/nurture.

it does appear to be completely implausible that it is based soley on "choice".

whether it is pure biology or the addition of environment that initiates sexual identity, it is a path that is drawn for you, and cannot simply be prayed away, ect.

one thing that seems to be coming up again and again in sexual studies research is the disbanding of the myth that all people are either completely straight, or completely gay.
there seems to be internal mental setting (be it from biology alone or shaped by environment as well) that sets limits for gender tolerance/attraction- hence bisexual behavior and expirementation.
there is generally a bias, at least, to one gender.

[ASsman]

Pff, I'm all straight nigga.

[Qdrop]

Pff, I'm all straight nigga.

hehhe.....sure you ain't "keeping it on the down low"?

[racer5.0stang]

maybe if enough AIDS-infected people have unprotected sex, they'll develop an immunity to AIDS.

Evolution at work.


Not evolution, but adaptation.

[Schmeltz]

Same thing, given enough time... like, more than six thousand years.

[racer5.0stang]

Same thing, given enough time... like, more than six thousand years.


Actually, no it isn't. Just ask Qdrop or any other member well versed in evolution. In order for an organism to "evolve" it must become a new organism, completely different. If an organism "adapts" it is still the same organism, but has changed to survive in it's present surroundings or habitat. Our immune systems adapt to viruses that we are exposed to, if they didn't we would constantly be sick.

[bb_bboy]

Pff, I'm all straight nigga.

Based on your posts in this forum alone scientists have conclusively determined that you are 60% water, 16% gay, 14% fabulous, and 10% ugly.

[Schmeltz]

Yes, racer, I know. But, given enough time, micro+micro+micro = macro. The process of adaptation within a species is a fundamental factor to the process of evolution to a different species. It's like a building block or stepping stone.

[Qdrop]

Yes, racer, I know. But, given enough time, micro+micro+micro = macro. The process of adaptation within a species is a fundamental factor to the process of evolution to a different species. It's like a building block or stepping stone.

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[racer5.0stang]

Yes, racer, I know. But, given enough time, micro+micro+micro = macro. The process of adaptation within a species is a fundamental factor to the process of evolution to a different species. It's like a building block or stepping stone.


That is why macro evolution happens everyday. Apes at the zoo suddenly evolve, walk out and go to work. Fish in the ocean suddenly sprout wings and fly off.

[Schmeltz]

Yes, racer, I know. But, given enough time, micro+micro+micro = macro.

It's so difficult to have a discussion with the fundies; they always insist on framing the subject in the same childish, simplistic reasoning that informs them to begin with.

[Qdrop]

It's so difficult to have a discussion with the fundies; they always insist on framing the subject in the same childish, simplistic reasoning that informs them to begin with.
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just walk away.....

[racer5.0stang]

It's so difficult to have a discussion with the fundies; they always insist on framing the subject in the same childish, simplistic reasoning that informs them to begin with.


I don't see the complication.

[Echewta]

"My grandpa was no ape!" I loved hearing that one from the religious knuckleheads back when i was in High School.