Bush is in Brussels now

[bussolai]

yep.
think all of you already heard the news..
he arrived last sunday evening.

yesterday he visited the king and the queen of belgium

and today the Council with all the prime minister from the 25 countries of the European Union..
(there's such traffic jam and A LOT of police everywhere.....
shuman is closed!)

there's a protest in the afternoon
and I think I'm going there!!


fight!!! :cool: (y)

[Ali]

I'm glad he's not coming here.

Goddamn nightmare!

I bet the whole city's been locked down and it's impossible to get anywhere.

Always happens when a US president come's to visit. Self-important bastards. They're far mor likely to get killed in their own country, as history has shown.

[bussolai]

there's lot of people protesting now
in front of Shuman (place with the EU buildings)
and I went there for a while during lunch break.

Spock and me were there
but I had to be back to work... he's still there
supporting!!! (y)

hope to finish soooooon and to go to protest!

[Calimero jr.]

He had a meeting with Chirac and they acted like they were the best buddies in the world..... :rolleyes:

[bussolai]

I dont watch TV cause I havnt here in bxl.

btw, were they like that? (http://www.repubblica.it/2005/b/ARCHIVE/homepage/images/sezioni/esteri/busheuropa/berlusconi_HM/reut_5848990_52030.jpg) :eek:

[racer5.0stang]

there's lot of people protesting now
in front of Shuman (place with the EU buildings)
and I went there for a while during lunch break.

Spock and me were there
but I had to be back to work... he's still there
supporting!!! (y)

hope to finish soooooon and to go to protest!


What are you protesting against?

[bussolai]

What are you protesting against?
against bush.....
and against his policy

[racer5.0stang]

against bush.....
and against his policy


Any specifics?

[ms.peachy]

against bush.....
and against his policy

exactly what do you hope to prove by doing this?

Don't get me wrong, I've no love for this administration, but I just can't see how a bunch of badly dressed students marching around yelling "Boo" is actually going to accomplish anything.

[bussolai]

cause hes here to say: yeah, come on let's collaborate all together.. for a better future!

that is the opposite of the latest 4 years.
when he imposed the idea of democracy and he let two wars start!!

hey people, where have you been?
in ur room looking at the four walls????

open your eyes!!
open your minds!!!

[racer5.0stang]

cause hes here to say: yeah, come on let's collaborate all together.. for a better future!

that is the opposite of the latest 4 years.
when he imposed the idea of democracy and he let two wars start!!

hey people, where have you been?
in ur room looking at the four walls????

open your eyes!!
open your minds!!!


Sounds to me that you just want something to do.

[bussolai]

Sounds to me that you just want something to do.
e tu hai voglia solo di rompermi i coglioni.

[ms.peachy]

cause hes here to say: yeah, come on let's collaborate all together.. for a better future!

that is the opposite of the latest 4 years.
when he imposed the idea of democracy and he let two wars start!!

hey people, where have you been?
in ur room looking at the four walls????

open your eyes!!
open your minds!!!

Now that's just silly.

You can't on one hand be saying "Ooooh, it's so terrible that this guy acted this way all on his own and isn't cooperating with the rest of the world!" and then on the other, when the guy does actually turn up to meet with other world leaders start yelling "Oooooh go away!" How ridiculously juvenile.

honestly. I can't believe you're putting me in the position of agreeing with racerstank. I feel dirty now.

[bussolai]

so you think I am making a mistake protesting?

[ms.peachy]

so you think I am making a mistake protesting?

I don't neccessarily think it is a mistake. I just think it's pointless, and somewhat hypocritical. If the argument all along is that the man has been too insular, not working with European leaders, and not making an effort to take other opinions on board, what is the point of protesting the first bloody time he actually DOES?

[racer5.0stang]

e tu hai voglia solo di rompermi i coglioni.

I'll take English Language for 200, Alex.

[ASsman]

That is why I am for a violent revolution. Or violent protest, were we hang people we capture, like the fucking French Revolution and shit. Now THAT would bring about change.

[Whois]

That is why I am for a violent revolution. Or violent protest, were we hang people we capture, like the fucking French Revolution and shit. Now THAT would bring about change.


mmmMMmmm...Madame Guillotine is thirsty methinks.

[Funkaloyd]

If the argument all along is that the man has been too insular, not working with European leaders, and not making an effort to take other opinions on board, what is the point of protesting the first bloody time he actually DOES?

Bussolai didn't say anything about protesting Bush's unilateralism.

Anyway, would UN support have morally justified Bush's policies? Tyranny of the majority.

[Echewta]

cause hes here to say: yeah, come on let's collaborate all together.. for a better future!

that is the opposite of the latest 4 years.
when he imposed the idea of democracy and he let two wars start!!

hey people, where have you been?
in ur room looking at the four walls????

open your eyes!!
open your minds!!!


I think thats awesome and wish more Americans felt that way.

Very postive attitude.

Bush has no vision, please forgive bussolai for gathering for one.

[synch]

He did what he wanted to do and is now playing all nice with the EU in order to get the support he needs to clean up the mess he started and benefited from.

We're supposed to be all cheerful that he's trying to work together with europe now? Give me a break...

And Racer, maybe it's comforting to know that what she said in Italian made perfect sense!

[Señor Stino]

Ms peachy , i understand your argument, saying the protest is pointless

on the other hand, it really isn't , it is a handy tool for the public to show his malcontent with the policy excersised today by different nation states, therefore it could be an indicator for "public opinion", not unimportant in politics.

my 2 cents, and by the way, i never get people who say "you shouldn't go out and protest", because, if YOU don't want to do that, that is perfectly fine, but why shouldn't someone else do so ?

[synch]

When the war was on the verge of starting we had two protests here in Amsterdam. I went to the first one but didn't feel like going to the second one. A friend of mine asked me whether I was going and I said I probably wasn't. He went all "yeah but we've got to stop the war!" on me and I told him he was being very naive thinking that we could actually stop it.

I would go along to voice my opinion, to state that I didn't agree with it, but with the troups basically deployed not even the virgin mary appearing in times square singing "war what is it good for" was going to stop it.

So ehm, yeah, protesting can't always make a change, but it can sure as hell make a statement.

[Señor Stino]

So ehm, yeah, protesting can't always make a change, but it can sure as hell make a statement.

exactly, vietnam protests didnt stop that war either, but they'll always be reminded off in any book, article, documentary,... about that time of war

[synch]

This war in Iraq will always be linked with a couple of the largest protests in history involving people of all around the globe.

We stop them but we sure as hell let them know what we thought about it.

[ms.peachy]

Ms peachy , i understand your argument, saying the protest is pointless

on the other hand, it really isn't , it is a handy tool for the public to show his malcontent with the policy excersised today by different nation states, therefore it could be an indicator for "public opinion", not unimportant in politics.

my 2 cents, and by the way, i never get people who say "you shouldn't go out and protest", because, if YOU don't want to do that, that is perfectly fine, but why shouldn't someone else do so ?

I never said he shouldn't. I just said I thought it was silly and IN THIS INSTANCE pointless. I am generally in favour of public protests, when I think they have any chance of being effective or communicating anything other than general discontent. (For example, the recent situation in the Ukraine was a fantastic examplle of public protest and the power of ordinary people.) So a bunch of people show up in Brussels with signs that say "We don't like George Bush!" Well, big fucking deal, who cares? Whatever nation you are a citizen of, your power lies in YOU putting pressure on YOUR elected representatives of YOUR country to ensure that they represent YOUR feelings. Save the time you would spend out wandering around the streets and use it to write letters to your representatives instead. Or something else useful.

[synch]

I see where you are coming from but don't agree with you completely.

Oh well, close enough ;)

edit: incidently, not that it matters for the discussion but bussolai is female.

[ms.peachy]

edit: incidently, not that it matters for the discussion but bussolai is female.

D'oh, my bad. Sorry, bussolai, I should pay closer attention sometimes.

[bussolai]

dont worry... :)

[MuttertagFive]

today he's was in frankfurt and now he's in mainz. its funny, first they wanted him to come to berlin, capitol and stuff, but there were so many demonstrants that they took him to mainz, which is a smaller town, and which has a "cosy atmosphere".

and a few days ago an old lady from mainz was upset about the police blocking all the streets and stuff, so she said something which I think is very impressing (for her age)

"You cannot simply close down all streets, so that nobody gets to their homes. He (bush) is not that important. If he needs to take a shit, he's gotta drop his pants just like any other person in the world."

[Señor Stino]

1) a bunch of people show up in Brussels with signs that say "We don't like George Bush!" Well, big fucking deal, who cares?

2) Whatever nation you are a citizen of, your power lies in YOU putting pressure on YOUR elected representatives of YOUR country to ensure that they represent YOUR feelings.

1) and 2) both very true, but maybe those people liked to give a signal to THEIR own gov. not to hold close relations with US, if that would mean they would have to play by Uncle Sam's rules,

[bussolai]

"You cannot simply close down all streets, so that nobody gets to their homes. He (bush) is not that important. If he needs to take a shit, he's gotta drop his pants just like any other person in the world." :p