2 british soldier convicted of Iraqi abuse....

[Qdrop]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7017390/

guess it's contagious.....

[ASsman]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7017390/

guess it's contagious.....
Systematic disregard for human rights? Why yes, yes it is. Goes along with never prosecuting the head honchos behind said scandals too.

[Tone Capone]

:eek:

[Tone Capone]

So is anyone outraged? :confused:

[Ali]

British soldiers are no strangers to cruelty.

for example (http://www-sul.stanford.edu/depts/ssrg/africa/boers.html) did you know that the Concentration Camp (http://www.boer.co.za/boerwar/hellkamp.htm), made famous by Adolf H. was a British invention?

And where did the Germans learn the 'correct' way to wage war?The proper strategy consists in inflicting as telling blows as possible on the enemy's army, and then causing the inhabitants so much suffering that they must long for peace, and force the government to demand it. The people must be left with nothing but their eyes to weep with over the war. (U.S. Army General Philip Sheridan, advice to Otto Von Bismark, 1870) Ah, of course.

[Tone Capone]

I'm just wondering where is the outrage?

[Qdrop]

I'm just wondering where is the outrage?

not american?
not a big deal......


as long as it isn't those damn americans....

[Tone Capone]

not american?
not a big deal......


as long as it isn't those damn americans....

EXACTLY! (y)

Otherwise everyone would be chomping at the bit on this message board.

[ms.peachy]

not american?
not a big deal......


as long as it isn't those damn americans....
I don't neccessarily agree that that is the case. I think there was plenty of outrage and deep disappointment in England when this first came to light a couple of months ago, and I believe there are many people who feel deeply disgraced at this series of events.

[Ace42]

Quite, there was more outrage when these allegations were first made, as were similar ones. There was some outrage when the people were name, and plenty while the case was ongoing. Now that two have been found guilty, there is understandably proportionately less outrage. Hopefully more will follow, and the typical outrage curve will once again be seen.

[Qdrop]

Quite, there was more outrage when these allegations were first made, as were similar ones. There was some outrage when the people were name, and plenty while the case was ongoing. Now that two have been found guilty, there is understandably proportionately less outrage. Hopefully more will follow, and the typical outrage curve will once again be seen.

well, that would be nice.

[ASsman]

Pfff, this is War.

Not "playtime".

[Qdrop]

Pfff, this is War.

Not "playtime".

just pointing out the double standards...

[Freebasser]

There are no double standards. We despise out POW-torturing soldiers as much as the next man.

Stop reinforcing your country's state of paranoia.

[Qdrop]

There are no double standards. We despise out POW-torturing soldiers as much as the next man.

the world doesn't seem to.


Stop reinforcing your country's state of paranoia.
explain.

[ASsman]

just pointing out the double standards...
Just pointing out disregard for human rights, which only apply when convenient.

[Qdrop]

Just pointing out disregard for human rights, which only apply when convenient.

pointing out the world double standard for the DISDAIN itself....

As i have stated, i do not believe in POW's or giving care to the enemies that had been trying to kill you hours before....

nice try....

[ASsman]

pointing out the world double standard for the DISDAIN itself....

As i have stated, i do not believe in POW's or giving care to the enemies that had been trying to kill you hours before....

nice try....
Yah, I hate the way we don't prosecute the terrorist for breaking the Geneva convention, then again if we did, it would be hypocritical, then again, that's AMERICA!

Nuremberg Trials (n)

[Tone Capone]

AND it's turned out to us again somehow...

Hey how come no one mentions Bloody Sunday that much?

[Qdrop]

Hey how come no one mentions Bloody Sunday that much?

won't sell as many papers....or get enough hits on the Blog....or get higher nielsen ratings in primetime....

[Funkaloyd]

What do you expect? All of the members of this forum to note their disgust one by one? Considering that


The guilty have already been convicted
Bloody Sunday was over 30 years ago
Nobody here has argued that the British forces were justified in either action

It'd be nothing more than a fucking circle-jerk.

And stop pretending to be victims. You're a fucking super power.

[Punkguy808]

Face it, it's a nasty 'business', and no discussion can bring light to the horrors of war or why they're committed. This is what happens when people make enemies of each other, they tend to behave in ways even they would never believe. The solution? Sadly there is none, express an informed opion, and obey the Golden Rule whenever possible. The Golden Rule thing is easier then it sounds, the informed opion much harder.
Keep it together.

[Freebasser]

explain.

You said it yourself when you said "not american? not a big deal......"

The whole world doesn't revolve around your country. Just because you haven't heard our public opinion surrounding our soldiers' misadventures, doesn't mean everyone is keeping schtum about it.

I remember when the first crop of prisoner abuse photos came about last year, it was all anyone talked about for a good few weeks, until they were proven fake. Britain cares about these issues just as much as any other country, it's just a shame that your celf-centred media doesn't let you in on this :)

Oh, and your thoughts on P.O.W.s are absurd. If an American soldier were kidnapped by Iraqi forces and shot to death then I bet you'd complain. You'd say "he was only doing his job".

Just because the insurgents aren't being paid to fight, doesn't give them any less human rights than a professional soldier. Why should they be shot for being captured? Have you forgotten that America has invaded Iraq without first being attacked? It's an illegal war, bucko.

If America got invaded tomorrow, and you were captured whilst defending your homeland as an insurgent P.O.W., then I bet you'd be backtracking faster than a rabbit gets fucked.

[Tone Capone]

http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/africa/02/21/un.investigator.ap/

[Tone Capone]

not american?
not a big deal......


as long as it isn't those damn americans....

That's pretty much the bottom line.

[Qdrop]

You said it yourself when you said "not american? not a big deal......"

The whole world doesn't revolve around your country. Just because you haven't heard our public opinion surrounding our soldiers' misadventures, doesn't mean everyone is keeping schtum about it.

quite a bold assumption on your part.
what?....do you think i only listen to Fox news or something.


Britain cares about these issues just as much as any other country, it's just a shame that your celf-centred media doesn't let you in on this :)

you talk as if the BBC wasn't one of the most left leaning news orgainizations on the planet.
it is the polar opposite of Fox news at times.
you really think YOU are getting the REAL story....while us americans are just pumped full of propaganda...

you're programmed stereotypes sell me short.


Oh, and your thoughts on P.O.W.s are absurd. If an American soldier were kidnapped by Iraqi forces and shot to death then I bet you'd complain. You'd say "he was only doing his job".

Just because the insurgents aren't being paid to fight, doesn't give them any less human rights than a professional soldier. Why should they be shot for being captured? Have you forgotten that America has invaded Iraq without first being attacked? It's an illegal war, bucko.

this is why i hate when these "one-timers" pop up on the section, make a few posts, then jump back to beasite free or whatever.

if you read any previous posts or threads you would see exactly where i stand on POW's....
my unlce and cousin are in Iraq/afganastan.
if they were tagged by an enemy, i would expect them to be killed outright, or tortured for info, ect.
i not gonna rewrite the whole debate we had earlier on this....

get of your lazy ass and read some past threads if you are so inclined, you know....when you're not posting in goofy "my balls itch" threads in Beastie free.


If America got invaded tomorrow, and you were captured whilst defending your homeland as an insurgent P.O.W., then I bet you'd be backtracking faster than a rabbit gets fucked.
no, i would fully expect to be killed.

[Qdrop]

It'd be nothing more than a fucking circle-jerk.



funny, 9 times out of 10....that's all this section is: a liberal circle jerk. with everyone jerking off to the lastest anti-conservative thread.....


not that i don't join in from time to time.... :rolleyes:

[Ace42]

you talk as if the BBC wasn't one of the most left leaning news orgainizations on the planet.
it is the polar opposite of Fox news at times.

Tish and Fipsy.

[Freebasser]

this is why i hate when these "one-timers" pop up on the section, make a few posts, then jump back to beasite free or whatever.

get of your lazy ass and read some past threads if you are so inclined, you know....when you're not posting in goofy "my balls itch" threads in Beastie free.

I spend most of my time in Beastie Free because there are light hearted topics of discussion there, and I'd rather not be stuck in a never-ending argument with someone in the political section who will never listen to my views anyway, because let's face it, that's all this place is - a place to argue.

And believe it or not, I have better things to do than get stressy and argumentative during a heated debate about who's left and who isn't. It's just that sometimes I feel like testing the temperature of the political forum with my elbow, and chipping in my 2 cents. Im very political, I'd just rather have fun when online, y'know?

Oh, and I think you underestimate me when you say I'm posting in threads such as "my balls itch". I prefer my threads to have some level of intelligence, thankyou very much. Threads like this one (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=45405), honest :rolleyes:

Sorry that I didn't see the full extent of your views on P.O.W.s but it hardly makes me lazy does it? I just haven't been here when you've gone on about it. I could call you lazy, because you don't know certain things abou tme, but I shall'nt, because I'm a nice guy.

[Qdrop]

Oh, and I think you underestimate me when you say I'm posting in threads such as "my balls itch". I prefer my threads to have some level of intelligence, thankyou very much. Threads like this one (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=45405), honest :rolleyes:

dicussing/critiquing movies is an intellectually satisfying debate.
and the T1 vs T2 debate is a pretty popular one.

as opposed to... (http://www.beastieboys.com/bbs/showthread.php?t=45658)


Sorry that I didn't see the full extent of your views on P.O.W.s but it hardly makes me lazy does it?

yes it does...particulary if you are going jump in here out of the blue to "test the waters" and make inaccurate and ill-informed assumptions about other posters.
it's rude. plain and simple.


I just haven't been here when you've gone on about it.
so don't make assumptions.

if you're just gonna jump on Political from time to time and be a "one-timer", you're better off just sticking with beastie-free.

[Freebasser]

Shit, bitch - you got me bang to rights.

[Ali]

I'd rather not be stuck in a never-ending argument with someone in the political section who will never listen to my views anywaySounds like any sort of discourse with Qtip. Ignore him. Trying to debate with the cretin is a complete and utter waste of time.

[Qdrop]

Sounds like any sort of discourse with Qtip. Ignore him. Trying to debate with the cretin is a complete and utter waste of time.

tut tut....
you should learn to respect those that are much smarter than you.

shush, child.

[Funkaloyd]

9 times out of 10....that's all this section is: a liberal circle jerk. with everyone jerking off to the lastest anti-conservative thread.....

I know what you mean, but at least threads usually only take off if there's some level of disagreement. It's not nearly as bad as DemocraticUnderground or FreeRepublic.

[ASsman]

the world doesn't seem to.
Haha, what a load of crap.

By that logic you should be for terrorist actions, and the eating of small puppies.... because the "world" seems to do the same.

[Tone Capone]

bump

[Tone Capone]

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