Classic Old Interview From 17 Magazine - A Must Read (SCANS)

[Brooklyn Babe]

I have to say out of all the tons of Beastie interviews I've read, this is my very fav. I was lucky enough to come across it and it was just toooo good not to share.

I hope you guys all love it as much as I do.

comments would be appreciated :D
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[i'mcrafty]

haha cute story...i see you pulled a new "sig" from that!!!

i didn't know that about Adrock's family! :(

[MoXoN]

brooklyn you always have the best stuff




you're my role model :p

[b-grrrlie]

We-heeeyyyy!!!
Nice one, Bbabe!

Have you got a cover date of that issue?

I see AdRockis is wearing that same red ribbon on his wrist that Madonna has. Does anyone know what that is about? I had a classmate who had that as well and she wouldn't tell.

[Parkey]

We-heeeyyyy!!!
Nice one, Bbabe!

Have you got a cover date of that issue?

I see AdRockis is wearing that same red ribbon on his wrist that Madonna has. Does anyone know what that is about? I had a classmate who had that as well and she wouldn't tell.
Isn't it to do with all that Kabbalah (http://www.kabbalah.com/kabbalah/) bollocks?

[Brooklyn Babe]

Have you got a cover date of that issue?
I don't know the exact date because I don't have the whole magazine - I got the article as part of a clippings packet I purchased from someone in Australia.

All I can gather is:

1. it's probably from 1987 since there is an ad for Janet Jackson's control album the remixes (on the opposite side of the article) which was released in 87'.

2. it's from the Australian/UK version of 17 magazine since the ad on the opposite side of the photo is for Le Clic cameras and the price is in pounds. Remember Le Clic cameras (http://www.discam.freeola.com/Leclicc.jpg) - what a flashback - I had a friend who had a pink one.

so going by the ads - my answer is deffinately 80s probably 87'

[alexandra]

Brooklyn Babe, this is crazy, i can't really put out what i want to say... but

THANK YOU!

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[Brooklyn Babe]

Brooklyn Babe, this is crazy, i can't really put out what i want to say... but

THANK YOU!

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I'm glad you liked the article -

I love the lil thumbs up smilies - they are tooo cute.

[Parkey]

I think the magazine was called 'Just 17' in the UK.

[Brooklyn Babe]

I think the magazine was called 'Just 17' in the UK.
yeah that's what it says on the photo - but, I was'nt sure - thanks for the info. :D Do you know if that magazine is still around?

[enree erzweglle]

It's been a long time since I read an article that included likes & dislikes. :)

[Parkey]

yeah that's what it says on the photo - but, I was'nt sure - thanks for the info. :D Do you know if that magazine is still around?
I believe it is, although maybe called J-17 (y)

[b-grrrlie]

Isn't it to do with all that Kabbalah (http://www.kabbalah.com/kabbalah/) bollocks?
I thought she got into that much later!
and AdRock into that in the 80's???? Well, stranger things have happened....:rolleyes:




2. it's from the Australian/UK version of 17 magazine since the ad on the opposite side of the photo is for Le Clic cameras and the price is in pounds.
FYI Australia uses dollars.

[Brooklyn Babe]

FYI Australia uses dollars.
really? Everytime I buy something online from australia like on ebay or whatever - the price is always in pounds.

[PaddyBoy]

The images aren't coming up for me!? Whats up Brooklyn Babe...is that a problem on your end or mine?

[MoXoN]

yeah I didnt get them for a minute either...but I left it alone and came back about 5 minutes later...what do ya know...there's the pics *shrugs* :rolleyes:

[Brooklyn Babe]

The images aren't coming up for me!? Whats up Brooklyn Babe...is that a problem on your end or mine?
everything is ok over here. But if you keep having a problem seeing the article I can try and email it to you - see if that fixes things. :D

[mdpayne]

Thanks Brooklyn Babe! I really like that artical, I guess their height and weight will always be a mystery, even though I like to know those kinds of things I guess because I'm a dork. Anyway, that was really funny! (y)

[PaddyBoy]

everything is ok over here. But if you keep having a problem seeing the article I can try and email it to you - see if that fixes things. :D

No, its Ok now, thanks! Thats some funny shit, the best is where Mike D says their romantic life hasn't improved since being in a band, but their sex life has!

[SpuffyRJ]

I see AdRockis is wearing that same red ribbon on his wrist that Madonna has. Does anyone know what that is about? I had a classmate who had that as well and she wouldn't tell.

Kabbalah is a religion...

[Bourgie]

Hahaha. That was great! The part where Yauch's talking about Adrock going soft was hilarious.

Very entertaining article. (y)

[Brooklyn Babe]

I like my current signature, though I'm always finding new quotes I like so I don't know how long it will be up.

Just for the record - I don't think Yauch admiring women with large breasts makes him a pig - it just makes him a man.

Men have preferences when it comes to women - some just state it more bluntly than others.

When someone quotes a lyric from an old beastie song - like cooky puss or something from LTI - they don't put the year.

I think it's obvious that the quote in my sig is old and including the year would
just imply that I was underestimating people's intelligence.

btw - if Yauch indicated to me in any way that he was offended or found the quote unflattering - I would certainly show him the respect of removing it - but he strikes me as a fun guy with a good sense of humor and I think he'd just laugh at it.

[Brooklyn Babe]

far be it for me to argue with anyone - to each his own -

I used the word breasts rather than tits in my response because thats a word I word normally use. Sometimes i'll say boobs or chest. Those are words I feel comfortable using - but then again I'm not a man. I hardly ever hear a man say "nice breasts" - it sounds awkward and formal.

Men and women tend to use completely different words when it comes to certain things.

Yauch has been showing women way more respect than he did during LTI -any person who visits this board is a Beastie fan and would know that


I think I will change my sig soon though - maybe I'll use this lyric by yauch from "rhymin and stealin" for my next one ;)

"We got wenches on the benches and bitties with titties
Housing all girlies from city to city"
;)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

I like my current signature, though I'm always finding new quotes I like so I don't know how long it will be up.

Just for the record - I don't think Yauch admiring women with large breasts makes him a pig - it just makes him a man.

I like your new sig brooklyn, I think you should keep it up for a while (y)

And I agree, the beasties, no matter what they do or say to stick up for women or the world, in the end they will still be men, and personally I perfer those days (y) they were blunt and sick and funny and they remind me of me.


btw - if Yauch indicated to me in any way that he was offended or found the quote unflattering - I would certainly show him the respect of removing it - but he strikes me as a fun guy with a good sense of humor and I think he'd just laugh at it.

thats why i admire you Brooklyn, you respect the man. (y) but I agree, he does seem like a great guy with a good sense of humor and im sure if he did say it he would laugh and say "shit did i really say that?" but the truth is that he is a MAN and men have sick thoughts, and i sure in the back of his head he'd be thinking it was still true. because thats how men are, and I respect them for being men and not changing cause some people got a problem with it.
because to be honest if he didnt think like a man, I wouldnt like him as much.



btw, for yauchs sake, I like men with big dicks
:p

[Brooklyn Babe]

I like your new sig brooklyn, I think you should keep it up for a while (y)

And I agree, the beasties, no matter what they do or say to stick up for women or the world, in the end they will still be men, and personally I perfer those days (y) they were blunt and sick and funny and they remind me of me.



thats why i admire you Brooklyn, you respect the man. (y) but I agree, he does seem like a great guy with a good sense of humor and im sure if he did say it he would laugh and say "shit did i really say that?" but the truth is that he is a MAN and men have sick thoughts, and i sure in the back of his head he'd be thinking it was still true. because thats how men are, and I respect them for being men and not changing cause some people got a problem with it.
because to be honest if he didnt think like a man, I wouldnt like him as much.



btw, for yauchs sake, I like men with big dicks
:p

You're the best Kristen. That was a thoughtful, perfectly stated comment.
I think you are the coolest person on this board and I totally respect you for being bold and brave enough to state your opinions. Don't change for anyone. You are a true original. (y)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Thank you Boo :D you know I love you, your the Queen man you rule this shit (y)
Whats the point of living if your bitter and crabby and your not origional or thoughtful? Life would be boring. I love the beasties for being loud and obnoxios and outspoken like they are, they're my inspiration.
Of course i wont change for anyone thats a given ;)
I personally like the part at the end in the white.
(y)

[Brooklyn Babe]

I personally like the part at the end in the white.
(y)
me 2. Now there's an idea for a new sig. ;)

[Daisy]

This seems very silly to me ladies. Yauch said it. It may not be nice and it certainly isn't what he thinks now but he said it. People who are aware of the men they have become will KNOW this about him. That's all that matters.

**I edited out "let it go". A wise woman pointed out to me that what I say is viewed as a slap on the wrist as opposed to just stating my opinion. Which, in this case, I was just stating my opinion.

Unless I tell you to stop or I close a thread you are welcome to ignore me.

:)

[enree erzweglle]

Shouldn't all the dumb questions that get posted to this board tell you that many people don't know anything about who they are?

Aside of the boys themselves and maybe people who've toured with them, I don't think any of us here know anything about who they are in their everyday lives.

Brooklyn, I'd keep my signature as is until you're ready for a new one. Your point about people not citing the year when they quote lyrics is well taken.

About tits: I don't care what anyone calls them--it's not the words, it's the intent. I don't necessarily always want to hear sanitized, pc-ized talk in this regard, know what I mean? That doesn't say anything about the women or men that I hang around with.

[Daisy]

Shouldn't all the dumb questions that get posted to this board tell you that many people don't know anything about who they are?

Very true but I don't see why we should care. IF people want to be educated about the band(s) they love then they will seek that information. I really enjoy Weezer but I don't choose to seek all the information I can about Rivers. NOW, I adore Foo Fighters and I KNOW everything about Dave Grohl. ;)

[MoXoN]

Isn't that what a discussion board is about? Discussing? Seeking out and sharing information? Brooklyn Babe is awesome at that, so is Miramanee and I try my best too. Disagreeing ain't a bad thing, guys. Is it only okay to post if we're going to say "OMG you're the best and I totally agree with everything you do and say?" Come on. :rolleyes:


wints I love you...you're a kick in the pants

[Brooklyn Babe]

Aside of the boys themselves and maybe people who've toured with them, I don't think any of us here know anything about who they are in their everyday lives.

Brooklyn, I'd keep my signature as is until you're ready for a new one. Your point about people not citing the year when they quote lyrics is well taken.

About tits: I don't care what anyone calls them--it's not the words, it's the intent. I don't necessarily always want to hear sanitized, pc-ized talk in this regard, know what I mean? That doesn't say anything about the women or men that I hang around with.

very well said. :D

[Brooklyn Babe]

It occured to me that since I will eventually change my sig as I often do - for variety - people may read this thread after the change and wonder what the hell we have been discussing here:

so for the benefit of those people...

this is my current sig -
"I like any girls so long as they've got great big tits." - Yauch

[Brooklyn Babe]

That's a blanket statement that is untrue. If you respect men as you say you do, you wouldn't accuse them of having sick thoughts


"I Gotta' Straighten My Thoughts I'm Thinking Too Much Sick Shit." - Mike D.
(Sure Shot)

Keep in mind, as well, that the band has chosen to change the lyrics to songs they've performed in the years since LTI was released. I think you'd be hard-pressed, Brooklyn Babe, to find an occasion when they've performed the lyrics to "Rhymin and Stealin" as you quoted them once in at least the past ten years.

that is very true, but I would like to point out that while they've changed a lot:
they still refer to "ridin the bozack"
Adrock still grabs his crotch.
he still says: Because I've Got The Flow Where I Grab My Dick
And Say Oh My God That's The Funky Shit"
Their lyrics are still filled with plenty of sexual references and innuendo and they still use profanity.

I think the lyric changes they have made are due more to the fact that 2 of them are married and 1 is in a serious relationship and they don't want to offend their significant others. I can undertand that - I mean I'm sure Yauch's wife would'nt enjoy hearing
"MCA's in the back because he's skeezin' with a whore"

[betaband]

a great read. everyone who is slightly offended by this should LIGHTHEN up. This is part of the beasties histroy and while they may slightly shy away from this i bet they secretly laugh when they read this stuff. this is classic humour and anyone who gets all caught up about comments like the 'girls with big tits' must not get out much. take a joke fer christs sake, there are other important things to get pissed off about.

classic interview

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Aside of the boys themselves and maybe people who've toured with them, I don't think any of us here know anything about who they are in their everyday lives.


I agree. None of us can say how they act and how they dont. It could be the same as when they were younger, maybe they act one way and come off another way when they arnt in the eyes of the media and the public.

I dont think that any of us should be allowed to say if they are good men or if they arnt, because the sad truth is that 99.9% of us will never know them outside of TV and the internet.

I hate this constant arguing about who they are and who they arnt when none of us know for sure.
for god's sake, if you dont like it, find a new band to listen to, im sick of all this bullshit.

[betaband]

yeah, with the beastie boys i don't think i want to know everything about their daily lives, somethings are best left alone, i think we as fans owe them that much. with some groups you know too damn much about them but with the beastie boys i think we know enough, and i would rather hear them goof off in interviews then tell me what car they drive.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

yeah, with the beastie boys i don't think i want to know everything about their daily lives, somethings are best left alone, i think we as fans owe them that much. with some groups you know too damn much about them but with the beastie boys i think we know enough, and i would rather hear them goof off in interviews then tell me what car they drive.
Word. (y)
I know this is a discussion board, but somethings are just best left not discussed hence, the beasties sexuality.
If they were pigs i dont think its our right to give a fuck.
After all you like a band/artist for thier music. The hotness factor is just a plus.

[enree erzweglle]

Word. (y)
I know this is a discussion board, but somethings are just best left not discussed hence, the beasties sexuality.
If they were pigs i dont think its our right to give a fuck.
After all you like a band/artist for thier music. The hotness factor is just a plus.

This is the best post I've ever read on this board.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

This is the best post I've ever read on this board.
Word? i cant tell when people are being sarcastic anymore.. :rolleyes:

Huh? Okay, so you're suddenly agreeing with me. Cool! (y)
Wait I did?? huh. Guess im not as thick headed as you thought huh?

[enree erzweglle]

Word? i cant tell when people are being sarcastic anymore.. :rolleyes:

No, I totally meant what I said--best post ever. No sarcasm at all or I would have used a smiley face or something. I agreed with everything you said and loved the way you said it too. Perfect.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

No, I totally meant what I said--best post ever. No sarcasm at all or I would have used a smiley face or something. I agreed with everything you said and loved the way you said it too. Perfect.
word? wow thanks. Hey man, I just say what I mean, and I mean what I say.
Most people dont like me because im blunt.. huh.. weird :confused:

[enree erzweglle]

word? wow thanks. Hey man, I just say what I mean, and I mean what I say.
Most people dont like me because im blunt.. huh.. weird :confused:

(y) Blunt=good. I used to think otherwise, but now I appreciate people who say it like it is without spit-shining things and editing themselves in real time. There's a way to be blunt without coming off like a know-it-all/boss crazy head and you do that. I like it. I've just never said so before.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

well thank you babe, I appreciate that. (y)
I figure this board needs a break from know it all assholes and so i try to replace that know it all assholism with sarcastic uh... blunt truth??
I dont know. Im just me.
Thanks though (y) Its people like you who make this board worth while.

[enree erzweglle]

RaZoRbLaDe KiSs, let it go to your head, sweetheart. It's a good thing.

This thread went from fun to none too quickly. I'd rather get back to a discussion about tits than to do this. :)

[enree erzweglle]

That's the thing about discussion boards. People can say what they like. Start a thread about tits, for god's sake. Nobody's stopping you.

wints, I was joking. Maybe I should use a smiley: :)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

RaZoRbLaDe KiSs, let it go to your head, sweetheart. It's a good thing.

This thread went from fun to none too quickly. I'd rather get back to a discussion about tits than to do this. :)

God damn, good people on this board (y)
you know what? Pm me anytime you like. It's always nice to have someone on my side for once. I dont get that enough.
I too perfered this thread when it was about the bboys back in the LTI days being guys. It's alot more fun talking about them being perv's then being all mean and bitter just because the boys like titties. surprise surprise!! Who'da guessed it??
and I only call people assholes when they are assholes and deserve to be called assholes.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

wints, I was joking. Maybe I should use a smiley: :)
rule # 1 in my book, never bite your tounge or change who you are for ANYBODY say what you want and if anyones got a problem with it fuck um.
just be YOU

[enree erzweglle]

rule # 1 in my book, never bite your tounge or change who you are for ANYBODY say what you want and if anyones got a problem with it fuck um.
just be YOU

I tend to want to stay on topic in a thread--what I was saying is that if we're going to go off--way off--then we might as well not beat each other up and talk about one of the other tangential topics--tits--instead. It was meant to be a light stab at levity but I didn't make it work.

Back to the scans...?

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Yes, i would like some more skans. that would be nice.
and i hate getting off topic. exspecially when the topic is way way off and irrelivent. (n)
I wanna hear about the LTI days and the beer drinking, Titty loving, Penis aka Beer bottle crazy guys whom I love so dearly (y)

[Documad]

I tend to just listen to the music and not worry about the personal drama of the band/artist. I have certainly liked bands that did distasteful things in their personal lives, but it was either ancient history by the time I started listening (because the band is no longer a band--like the Beatles) or I didn't know the real deal at the time. I don't usually research bands I'm interested in, I don't care whether they are married, and I certainly don't think they owe their fans access to their personal lives.

But I guess that I have never been a big fan of a band that was currently giving interviews that offended me. For instance, I could think that Eminem was an articulate guy with a great vocabulary but I'm not going to put my money behind his horrible songs referencing his ex-wife, or the anti-gay stuff, etc. I'm not sure where the line is for me.

When it comes to Beastie Boys, I found their conduct to be icky back in the day but I just pretend that it didn't happen. I don't want them to apologize and I don't think they should be embarrassed. But I choose to pretend that PB was their first album and I don't read articles written before its release. That works for me. :)

P.S. I do love that Dave Grohl is always saying great stuff about his mom! Daisy, if you know bad stuff about him, never ever tell me.

And by the way, I've never had a signature because I can't think of anything to say. But my least favorite type of signature is the one that references the greatness of the person posting. :rolleyes:

[enree erzweglle]

But my least favorite type of signature is the one that references the greatness of the person posting. :rolleyes:

Yeah, what is that? Weird. I guess it makes people feel good.

I enjoy reading those old BB interviews because they show how much the boys have changed and so much of what they were going through parallels exactly what I was going through at the same age. Documad and I are 'as old as Yauch,' so we can relate. :)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

When it comes to Beastie Boys, I found their conduct to be icky back in the day but I just pretend that it didn't happen. I don't want them to apologize and I don't think they should be embarrassed. But I choose to pretend that PB was their first album and I don't read articles written before its release. That works for me. :)

I agree 100% Documad. I always love it when you post because you have a valid opinion and I admire that about you (y)
even though I dont mind the LTI days, I still agree. I think the LTI days were funny. Sometimes the stuff they did wasnt right, yes i agree, but i try to look past it.


P.S. I do love that Dave Grohl is always saying great stuff about his mom! Daisy, if you know bad stuff about him, never ever tell me.

what is up with all the ladies on this board being in love with dave grohl??
I've loved Dave Grohl forever. (y) he's such a cutie and the music is awesome (y)

[Bourgie]

I think Licensed to Ill is a great album and I would never disregard it's happening.

It's always going to be their first album whether you wish it to be or not. In fact, I'm sure there probably wouldn't be a "Paul's Boutique" or any other one of their albums if LTI never happened. I think that their experiences during that era allowed them to learn from that and see that where they were at wasn't a good place for them, and needed to move on to better things. They could only go up from there....product being the great music they've made afterwards.

[Brooklyn Babe]

But my least favorite type of signature is the one that references the greatness of the person posting. :rolleyes:
Yeah, what is that? Weird. I guess it makes people feel good.
as someone who has used the positive comments posted about me in my sig - I can offer an answer to at least why I used to do it---

1. sometimes it's to remind certain people who tend to say consistantly bad things about you - to the point of making you seem downright evil - lay off.

2. and most importantly - I think it is the ultimate thank you to the person that you quote - it shows them that you appreciate their comment so much you want others to see it.

[Documad]

Yeah, what is that? Weird. I guess it makes people feel good.

I enjoy reading those old BB interviews because they show how much the boys have changed and so much of what they were going through parallels exactly what I was going through at the same age. Documad and I are 'as old as Yauch,' so we can relate. :)
I understand where you're coming from. I think part of my sensitivity to this stuff is the women in cages image, but another part is that when people find out I have gone to a Beasties concert, they still mention FFYR, and I hate that anyone would think I'm rocking out to that in 2005! I know they're just stupid, but it still gets to me sometimes.

I also think it's funny that so many guys I work with used to be BBs fans during the LTI era, and I sometimes think of them reading these articles way back when and thinking BBs were cool. And I wonder what their favorite songs were. One of my work friends actually gave me LTI last week, so I now own it. :mad:

what is up with all the ladies on this board being in love with dave grohl??
I've loved Dave Grohl forever. (y) he's such a cutie and the music is awesome (y)
It's just logical. Many BBs fans have good taste, and people with good taste love Dave Grohl, so many BBs fans will love Dave Grohl. :)

But if I were a teenage girl, I'd be waaaaaay into Taylor Hawkins instead!!! :D Plus he's one of the best live drummers I've ever seen.

[Documad]

as someone who has used the positive comments posted about me in my sig - I can offer an answer to at least why I used to do it---

1. sometimes it's to remind certain people who tend to say consistantly bad things about you - to the point of making you seem downright evil - lay off.

2. and most importantly - I think it is the ultimate thank you to the person that you quote - it shows them that you appreciate their comment so much you want others to see it.
You can pick your own signature line for sure. And I love funny ones no matter what they say.

But to me, it's like people at work who tell you how hard they work or how smart they are. They look really insecure, and it makes me kind of sad for them. Your worth should be obvious without you saying it all the time. I was thinking of this because it came up again today at work.

You might not be insecure. That's just how those kinds of signatures look to me. Others might see something else. I'm older than the average person here, as stated above. :)

[MoXoN]

You're talking about the good kind, right? Not the steel-toed-boot-up-the-arse kind? Come to think of it, that's still one of the nicer things I've been called on these boards. :p
yeah yeah the good kind...I'm not about pain...

yeah I've noticed you getting some lovely...comments on here...I love the grandma one...thats gotta make everyone feel good :rolleyes:

[MoXoN]

Someone called me grandma?? How did I miss that? :D
it was that one colby kid or whatever his name was...on some discussion...aw screw it...I'll find it for you

[MoXoN]

cj hood...page 2 of mix master sux post in the general forum...
said something about damn grandma do the cats get in your way when you try to type


I love the fights...they're grand royal :D

[MoXoN]

haha I know what you mean...the fights are super entertaining.
or the rap battles...tooooo funny

wanna see wallowing in self pity? Beastie Boys are banned in Nebraska...so I wont see them anytime soon, being that I'm too poor to travel :(

[Documad]

I'm too late to edit my last post.

I would like to make clear that I don't care what anyone's signature says. I realize that most are intended to be funny or an inside joke and I enjoy the ones where I understand the humor. It's just that you see some signatures a lot and some get on my nerves for particular reasons. These are the "Documad is the coolest person on the board" variety. Sometimes it's obviously a joke and sometimes not. I had in mind the signature of someone who posts a lot and has had the same signature for months. He would never read this thread so it was a silly place to mention it.

I also had in mind the discussion we had just had at work. We had talked about how it's great that there are so many insecure people because they are so easily manipulated. It took me a long time to figure this out.

The other side of this is that women in the workplace sometimes have difficulty saying that they deserve something, or they have difficulty taking credit for something they actually did. Fewer men seem to have this problem. There's nothing wrong with saying "I wrote that" or "I got that client" or "I won that" when you really have the goods. Again, this doesn't belong in this thread, but I wanted to follow up what I couldn't take back.

[enree erzweglle]

Documad,

I just wanted to say here that I enjoy reading your posts a lot. If I see a thread by you or a post, I'm sure to read it. You have a nice style--one that doesn't insult others or make anyone feel stupid for asking questions, and you can do these things without compromising your own position. Nice. Thanks for that. I've said it in PMs, but I thought I'd say it here too because hey, you deserve it :) and I am still way too talky from putting in some kahluah last night on an empty stomach.

Please don't quote this in your signature. :)

[Documad]

Thanks. You're very sweet.

I often wish I could take back what I post. And everything's way too long. Just like when I talk in "real life."

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

I often wish I could take back what I post. And everything's way too long. Just like when I talk in "real life."

Im glad you post what you post. I woulnt change for anything in the world, at least your being you, and yes your posts are sometimes lengthy, but it would be diffrent if you were posting a whole bunch on nonsense-bullshit.
but you dont, I find that all your posts are valid and you make good and honest points and I appreciate that about you (y)

[BSTEGRL]

For the record, I never said I was offended by Yauch's comment. Do I think it's stupid? Yes. Do I believe "tits" is a derogatory term? Yes. Am I offended by Yauch's comment? No. Why? Because it's old crap.

Aren't "breasts" called by any other name still just "breasts"?

I understand that in your opinion "tits" is offensive...but I don't think its fair that you made it sound like everyone should think the same way,
(sorry if thats not the way you intended it to sound, but thats the impression I got).

There are so many different names given to breasts and other body parts, male or female, that I don't think there could be a majority rule of which words are ok to use and which ones aren't. I personally hate the word "c*nt", but know many other people who prefer it. I don't think differently about the people who choose to use the word, nor do I think they are "wrong" in doing so.

As for the quote in Brooklyn Babe's sig., I think its funny....but only because it is so stupid. I agree that it would probably benefit some to have it quoted, but on the other hand.......those who don't know enough to realize its a really old quote on their own, are probably the same people whose favorite album is LTI. So, how much would it help really?

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

nicely said Danielle (y)

But honestly, If he said "I only like girls with really big breasts" would that have been politically correct enough??

[BSTEGRL]

nicely said Danielle (y)

But honestly, If he said "I only like girls with really big breasts" would that have been politically correct enough??

No, it wouldn't.

Jeez, for people who "hate disagreements" you're certainly dragging this thread out much longer than necessary. :rolleyes:

sorry, I came upon this thread kinda late. :o I'm done though......

NICE ARTICLE, THANKS FOR SHARING!

(...see :D )

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

We dont "hate disagreements" we hate conversations about things that get dragged out into a bunch of stupid shit.
this is a sensible conversation, well it was, then it had to get dragged out,
but you gotta take a stand sometime.
and just like truckin' you gotta just keep on fightin' for what you believe in.
Because If you give up in the end and dont fight for anything...
what's the point of living?

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Um grow up? nah I dont think i will. I like being blunt better than being bitter

[Brooklyn Babe]

As for the quote in Brooklyn Babe's sig., I think its funny....but only because it is so stupid

exactly - and it's meant to be thought of in a silly, lighthearted way.
I don't think it's neccesary to post serious profound quotes all the time.
I figured people would read it and laugh.

[Brooklyn Babe]

I did not suggest that Brooklyn Babe remove her signature, as some of you have implied. I suggested that she credit it properly to avoid any question/confusion. As a writer, I believe it is essential to credit comments properly and not use them out of context because when you do, you can mislead the reader. I expressed my concerns for Brooklyn Babe to consider without placing any demands. I thought she might value the comments, considering she intends to be a journalist who will be required to credit comments properly.

It is true that I am working on a masters degree in journalism and it is also true that a key rule in journalism is properly quoting and crediting sources.

1. Yauch made the comment - whether it was in 87' or 05' is irrelevant.
He made this statement - exactly as I posted it.

2. the quote is not being taken out of context - because there is no context.
There is no overall tone to the article - there is no relevant information that precedes or follows the statement.
Taking something out of context would be if he made the statement and then followed it with something like "I'm joking" - or "I don't really mean that."
and I took only the first half.

He was making a flat out statement. Just as if I were to say: "I like men with brown eyes."

Taking something out of context means you exclude information thereby distorting or twisting it's meaning.

Is there anything in the article - any information at all - that makes anyone understand his comment any better?

Like if I posted the link under the quote in my sig - and any of you came here and read the article - would you say to yourself - "oh now I understand why he said it. Now it makes sense."

How is that comment misleading anyone - for all anyone knows - yauch still likes girls with big tits and what's wrong with that - nothing. You can respect a woman and still indicate in anyway you choose that you like her body. I don't know any woman that does'nt appreciate being told her body is attractive.

Also I'll use another example - Mike D. has said that he burned his penis on a furnace - does it matter that it was cold outside when he did it.
do you guys see how silly this is? ;)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

I like being old and smart more than being young and stupid.

I dont remember anyone saying you were smart.
And when I used to talk to a certain friend of yours I wasnt stupid.
Dont fucking call me stupid. You dont know me.
And I dont think I would want a person like you to know me,
I've made that mistake of letting you get close to me already and I realize now just how big of a mistake it really was.

Why dont you fight your own battles instead of trying to win Wints? (n)

[Brooklyn Babe]

I like being a woman who can admit that men (gasp!) have sexual thoughts.
Intelligence does not neccessesarily come with age - it comes with experience. Just because someone is old - it does'nt make them smart
I see evidence of that in this thread.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

I like being a woman who can admit that men (gasp!) have sexual thoughts.
Intelligence does not neccessesarily come with age - it comes with experience. Just because someone is old - it does'nt make them smart
I see evidence of that in this thread.

Dear, I couldnt have said it better myself (y)

[Brooklyn Babe]

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[BSTEGRL]

I said I find the word derogatory, not offensive. Derogatory and offensive are not the same thing. Here are the definitions of the two words:

offensive: causing displeasure or resentment
derogatory: expressive of a low opinion

Where did I say I think everyone should think the same way as I do? Nowhere. Because I didn't say so. Please don't put words that I didn't say in my mouth.


I'm not concerned with language; I'm concerned with crediting/citing someone properly. I'm not sure why you're trying to steer this into a discussion about people's choices of words. I like colorful language. I use it often. Ask Wints. You should have seen the colorful language she used when she learned about the Mexico show cancellations! :p


Wow, thank you for providing me with those definitions because I sure did need them! You've clearly reminded me of how much of an idiot I am! Of course, maybe "stupid" is a better word....feel free to define them for me too, cause I don't know anything! :mad:

I'm sorry, but I've never known anyone to be so condecending! You know what I meant. I know what the difference between the two words are....you didn't have to make me feel like shit.

As for what I previously posted, it wasn't an attempt to "steer" the conversation into any new territory. I thought it was relavent.

I NEVER said you came right out and said that people should feel the same way that you do. Thats why I added the apology in advance in case my impression from what you were arguing was not what you intended. Of course, I'm sure you didn't even acknowledge that part! Otherwise you could have just said, "No, sorry you took it that way", instead of being so rude!

If you can't understand why I might get that impression, let me school you for a moment....because you have a really annoying habit of making people feel that way! (and there are many people on this board that will agree).

You know what the sad thing is M? That I really do respect you, very much, and I feel the same way about many of the things you are passionate about. In fact, I was agreeing with you over certain things. I just wish that instead of turning so many people off, that you could use your knowledge positively and maybe get more young people to consider feminisim literature,etc., and open their minds to more "progressive" thinking.

I really, really, didn't want to argue like this! I didn't have a problem with you.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

your right Danielle.
M, the way you put people down and make yourself seem better than everyone else makes me wanna hate every single feminist I meet even if i dont know the person. You arnt exactly doing a good job of giving feminists a good name and thats really and truely sad because there are good people out there like Documad who make coming to the boards, and shuffling through your cruelness well worth it.

[BSTEGRL]

I like being a woman who can admit that men (gasp!) have sexual thoughts.
THANK YOU! ::bows down:: (even though the quote was a joke, I'm sure)

Intelligence does not neccessesarily come with age - it comes with experience. Just because someone is old - it does'nt make them smart
I see evidence of that in this thread.

I agree with this too. Although, "certain people" on this board are smart, they just like to look down on everyone else and think they are "smarter" than others becaues they think differently.

[RobMoney]

I look down on people who have a lower post count than me :D

[BSTEGRL]

Yes, and it keeps getting sillier. Why can't you people discuss things without having it get personal??

Yauch's statement was sexist. I'm not trying to demean anyone by saying that - apparently it's really not clear. Having said that, it's just a dumb sig. Who cares? It's not worth people really being mean and insulting to one another.

Thank you too Wints, I couldn't agree more. Yes, I can see how that sig is sexist, but I also see how it is just for a stupid laugh. I wish people weren't so mean and insulting too. I know I wouldn't be if people didn't bring it out of me. I hate it when it gets ugly!

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Thank you, Rob, for injecting a little humour. This thread makes me sad. I wanna say "Shake hands and make up" but this ain't kindergarten. I'm leaving. :(

i fucking HATE fighting with you, and you know what? Im sick of having to be mean, I hate being bitchy but something needs to be done.
The shit needs to stop (n)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Alright, but I guess I've got something to prove.
I've apologized a million times before, and I just cant do it anymore.

[RobMoney]

Who'da thunk that I'd have something to do with ending this insanity :confused:

[Laver1969]

I like being a woman who can admit that men (gasp!) have sexual thoughts.

How did you know us men have sexual thoughts?!? :p ;)

[Brooklyn Babe]

I have one last thing to say about this then I'm leaving it alone.

You have removed the comment from its time and placed it in the present day without explanation.

I have not placed this quote in the present day - because there is nothing to indicate that it is recent.


99.9% of people on this board do not cite a year next to their quotes.

The problem lies not with the presentation of the quote it's with the content itself.

Sometimes when people disagree with something so avidly they look for anything that will explain it away.

It's as if one were to say - oh he said that in 1987 - he does'nt feel that way today - that changes things.

Yauch may still like girls with big tits - and there is nothing wrong with that at all.

when wints used "Mike D. is like whoa." - Adrock - as her sig - there was no year or media source cited - it's not neccesary -


if I used something like "I like cake" - Yauch 87' that would look rediculous.

Song lyrics used as sigs never have years next to them.

If I used yauch's lyric:

"Just doin those ladies all over the place
On the floor, in the back, and if I'm doin lack
Just a put 'em in a line layin on their back
And then I'll do them all one at a time "

do you think i would have to cite the song title and year.

You know what the real issue is - you don't want to believe that yauch made a statement like that and you certainly don't want to be reminded of the fact.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

"Just doin those ladies all over the place
On the floor, in the back, and if I'm doin lack
Just a put 'em in a line layin on their back
And then I'll do them all one at a time "


ok someone needs to start hooking me up with some tracks, because i've been searching for shit like this and the most sexual song I can get is Boomin' granny :rolleyes:

























men have sexual thoughts!?!?! *GASP!!!* what is this world coming too??
Shit, i said that in the beggining
:rolleyes:

[Laver1969]

I'll bring this back to topic.

One of the most interesting things in the original article is what Yauch's dad says. "I could play the outraged parent, but I really find the Beastie Boys' whole put-on terrifically amusing. At home, Adam's a generous, caring, polite person. I'd be devastated by now if he was really like that."

I find this interesting because I don't remember seeing another article that was acually written during the LTI years that eluded to the fact that they were playing certain obnoxious roles. And followed that up by saying they were actually quite the opposite. :)

[Brooklyn Babe]

This is as condescending as anything that's been posted in this thread. And I can tell you it's not true at all. Please just stop this.

I am not trying to be condescending - I am trying to discuss the issue and come up with some logical explanation as to why my sig was singled out and not the tons of other people who quote old song lyrics or beastie statements.
M presented some ideas and thoughts and I'm doing the same - I think we are capable of discussing this in a reasonable way.

[Laver1969]

ok someone needs to start hooking me up with some tracks, because i've been searching for shit like this and the most sexual song I can get is Boomin' granny :rolleyes:


those lyrics are from the pre-lti song Beastie Groove.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

"bitter,"
and "young and stupid" Isnt just as bad. I did'nt appreciate that, and I dont think that you or Wints are "bitter" I guess "bitchy" (sometimes) is a better word for it. but I cant talk because If anyone can be a bitch I know its me, Fuck, look at this whole thread.
I just didnt appreciate the "young and stupid" part because you know just as well as me Im not like most 15 year olds and Im certainly not stupid.
Ignorant, sometimes, yes, but Ignorant means you dont know, but you can learn.
Young and hopeless.. lost.. yes I know this.. But I am most definantly NOT stupid.

[Brooklyn Babe]

It doesn't bother me that he said it.

yet....

Brooklyn Babe, your signature makes me cringe.

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If I didn't want to be reminded of the fact that he made such a comment, I would have suggested you remove it. But I didn't, which proves your theory is wrong.

yet...

it's a shame to see that old crap that doesn't represent who he is now advertised all over the board.


I think this was more my theory

Sometimes when people disagree with something so avidly they look for anything that will explain it away.

It's as if one were to say - oh he said that in 1987 - he does'nt feel that way today - that changes things.

[Documad]

Come on! We have a history here. From this history, it's OBVIOUS that Kristen, Miramanee, and wints are all smart, articulate, and passionate women. Lord knows I am. :) We all have different life experiences and we all leap into these discussions and sometimes things get said that shouldn't. I'm sad that there appears to be a rift recently because I like hearing what you ALL say. I liked it better when we were buddies.

A fair amount of people on the board use or have used quotes by Yauch in their sigs. When I notice one, I sometimes ask, "Where the heck did he say that?" and look for the thread in which it occurred to understand the quote (because they are usually so weird that they require an explanation :D). Because he is an active member of the board, I think it's possible that anything quoted by him in a signature could be confused as a present-day comment. If he didn't post to the board, it would be a different matter.
There are no rules on this, but I agree that this would be the better practice. If someone quotes me in her signature (it's rare, but it happens :) ) it had better be something I actually posted on this board. I think it would suck if someone found something I wrote back in college and put it in her signature. I know that this is dicey because Yauch is both a Beastie Boy and a board member, but when I see a quote from him in a signature, it's usually something he actually posted, so that's what I would assume.

One of the most interesting things in the original article is what Yauch's dad says. "I could play the outraged parent, but I really find the Beastie Boys' whole put-on terrifically amusing. At home, Adam's a generous, caring, polite person. I'd be devastated by now if he was really like that."

I find this interesting because I don't remember seeing another article that was acually written during the LTI years that eluded to the fact that they were playing certain obnoxious roles. And followed that up by saying they were actually quite the opposite. :)
I agree! I thought that was a really interesting quote. I think Mike's mom has said some similar things, but not quite that directly.
Okay, I lied. I don't entirely pretend that Beastie Boys didn't exist prior to Paul's Boutique. I have a Q Magazine from the LTI era. And as soon as I start quoting from it, wints is going to pull out a thread where it was scanned. :) The article posted here seems to have lifted quotes from the longer article in Q. The Q article is called So Long Suckers! and it supposedly exposes the fact that the Beastie Boys are really mild mannered rich kids from good homes who say please and thank you (from the synopsis).

Yauch's dad "roars with laughter" at the idea that what they're doing is anything but an act. His dad's quote above in Laver's quote is word for word from that article. So is Mike's mom's Sinatra comment. In the Q article Mike's brother says "Mike's a real sweetheart at home." Their press officer says they're really nice boys and thus they can't keep up their act. He says "[t]hey can't help it; it's the way they've been brought up." Mike explains that it's difficult to keep up the act. There's a reference to the fact that they actually go to bed early with no girl action and don't drink before gigs. The Q article is a lot longer than the one here and in it Yauch doesn't discuss "tits." So the article in Just 17 or whatever it was called was probably cobbled together from a bunch of other sources and repackaged without anyone actually interviewing the band.

Now I heard that Beastie Boys had a history of trouble with the UK press, so maybe this Q article is a bunch of crap. Maybe they were bastards all along. :)

And on ebay, Australian items are in Australian dollars (and thus things are cheaper than they appear) and English items are in pounds (and thus are must more spendy than they appear). But I don't shop on ebay either. ;)

[Documad]

:D I would if I could, but I haven't seen that one on here. It sounds like an awesome read, though. You know what I'm going to say, right? Please scan and post. :D
You know I don't have a scanner and if I did I wouldn't know how to use it! I STILL don't have a decent avatar!!!!! I don't think I even know anyone with a scanner. I'll ask around, but my friends are even bigger technophobes than I am. Maybe I'll have to mail it to you when you get back from Mexico.

It's No. 9 - June 1987.

[Brooklyn Babe]

Now you're taking MY comments out of context! You didn't provide the full quote, so it's misleading.

My full comment was:



I'm cringing because you quoted him out of context and didn't credit the quote, not because of Yauch's quote. By cutting my quote short, you changed the meaning. Quoting out of context.

ok - here's the whole post

This old crap written about them only illustrates how different they are now -- different for the better.

Brooklyn Babe, your signature makes me cringe. How about crediting the source and year of the quote (i.e., Just Seventeen, 1987), so you don't make Yauch look like a pig now? A person should be quoted in context.

Lord, that man has said some stupid shit in his life!

Now I'm going to tell Yauch that he should properly attribute his signature to Manties. :p

if you are cringing because:

I'm cringing because you quoted him out of context and didn't credit the quote, not because of Yauch's quote.
then why do you follow it up by saying:

Lord, that man has said some stupid shit in his life!
would'nt that indicate that part of your cringing was due to the actual statement itself?

[Documad]

I would like to point out that I had to rip my closet apart to find the box of old magazines. Now I don't feel like putting everything back. I remembered that I had the article because of wints' comment about Mike's mom. There is this silly photo of Mike with her. I never saved old Beasties' stuff but I did save old Q magazines. I don't know why except maybe because they cost so much money.

[Laver1969]

I would like to point out that I had to rip my closet apart to find the box of old magazines. Now I don't feel like putting everything back. I remembered that I had the article because of wints' comment about Mike's mom. There is this silly photo of Mike with her. I never saved old Beasties' stuff but I did save old Q magazines. I don't know why except maybe because they cost so much money.

I'd be very interested in reading this if you can get a photocopy over to Wints. (y)

The Beasties were ripped apart in the British press. I have a book that was published during the LTI years that has various newspaper articles reprinted in it from British newspapers/tabloids. They really make them out to be VERY raw.

[betaband]

jesus, i get tired just reading these arguments. i would hate to see what really makes you angry.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Kristen, you don't get that I was only saying the kinds of things you say about me? As you don't appreciate being called stupid, I don't appreciate being called old and bitter.

I don't think you're stupid. I only said it because I was tired of your putting me down.

wait, i never called YOU bitter. I belive I used that in a quote to wints, but everything else i said wasnt with any names, so how do you know I wasnt just making a general statement??
and I've told you a MILLION times, your NOT old!!!!
if your old, then that makes Yauch old, and it makes D old and it makes H old.. old is a state of mind. Dont think old, you wont be old.
and your tired of me putting you down? I think that the reason this thread has dragged on so long is because were all sick and tired of you guys putting us and MEN in general (who have sexual thoughts! OMG! *GASP!* *faints*...) down (n)

[MoXoN]

mexico...warm...sunny...so not like where I'm at... (n)

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Sorry! M and I are off to Mexico. You'll have to find someone else to insult and argue with. :)
dont u just hate people who give up so easily...

[BSTEGRL]

Miramanee....

I'm not arguing with you. I don't see an argument happening. I see people expressing opinions. On this board if there is the slightest discord among members, a discussion is incorrectly labeled an argument. This is not an argument.
I know you didn't consider it an argument, as much as expressing different opinions, but I know that on my side I was "arguing" and was pissed off....and I unecessarily blew it out of proportion. I had no idea you "pull out dictionaries and definitions like a preacher pulls out passages from a Bible". :o
If you can't understand why I might get that impression, let me school you for a moment....because you have a really annoying habit of making people feel that way! (and there are many people on this board that will agree).
I shouldn't have said this, amongst other things, because it was really bitchy and it made me feel even worse. I'm not really a mean person and its not in my nature to be "pissed off" (at least not for long), but it is in my nature to right what I've wronged....so, I'm sorry.
If I've learned anything from these boards its that there are so many great people here, some I actually consider friends....and I don't want to spoil all the niceness with a bitchy attitude.

[BSTEGRL]

Thanks Wints....and I apologize if I was mean to you in the past too. :o Hope you two have a safe and fun trip!

[Laver1969]

We can forget the group hug! :p

[BSTEGRL]

:p

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

aw man.. this shit got weak.. :(
oh well *shrugs*
*hugs BSTEGRL*
anybody else want one?? :)

[Laver1969]

Fine. If you don't want a hug from two hot chicks... ;)

Shit...what did i type. It was supposed to be "We can't forget the group hug"

My brain isn't working. :p

[BSTEGRL]

aw man.. this shit got weak.. :(
oh well *shrugs*
*hugs BSTEGRL*
anybody else want one?? :)

Thanks ::hugs Kristen back:: I need one with everything thats been going on lately anyways... :)

Shit...what did i type. It was supposed to be "We can't forget the group hug"

My brain isn't working. :p

Can we group hug? :confused: I guess its worth a shot...
ok, everyone on the count of three hug your computer screen,
ready?...
one....
two....
three!

:::wraps arms around monitor and smooshes face against the screen:::

;)

Hey, who grabbed my ass?!? Kristen!

[Francesca]

Brooklyn Babe, I just want to say thank you for the article, I enjoyed reading it. As for your signature, well your signature can be whatever you want it to be, I don't really think it's anyone's bussiness. I think it is rather funny that everyone takes everything so seriously on this message board, I actually find it bizzare in a sense, that everyone thinks they know the Beastie Boys and how they actually live and how they actually feel about everything, after all they are performers and have been for most of their lives. This is not to say that I don't believe that they have grown, blah, blah blah. I am a woman and the word tits does not bother me, there are so many other offensive things going on in the world that one little word, used by a 22 year old man (at the time,)does not bother me. And who knows maybe Yauch still uses the word tits in his private life, maybe he knows to be politicly correct in this day and age and not dare use the word tits in public. As Brooklyn Babe said much earlier, he's a guy and if she wants to quote something from along time ago what is the harm? Everyone needs to lighten up.

[RaZoRbLaDe KiSs]

Hey, who grabbed my ass?!? Kristen!
*shrugs* sorry, I could'nt resist... :)
Super freak remember?
;)



































:p

[Documad]

dont u just hate people who give up so easily...
Now that this silly thread has been bumped by someone else, I'd like to say that I thought this was absolutely hilarious. It's funny how a thread can be heated and then everyone lightens up. :)

[Brooklyn Babe]

Brooklyn Babe, I just want to say thank you for the article, I enjoyed reading it. As for your signature, well your signature can be whatever you want it to be, I don't really think it's anyone's bussiness. I think it is rather funny that everyone takes everything so seriously on this message board, I actually find it bizzare in a sense, that everyone thinks they know the Beastie Boys and how they actually live and how they actually feel about everything, after all they are performers and have been for most of their lives. This is not to say that I don't believe that they have grown, blah, blah blah. I am a woman and the word tits does not bother me, there are so many other offensive things going on in the world that one little word, used by a 22 year old man (at the time,)does not bother me. And who knows maybe Yauch still uses the word tits in his private life, maybe he knows to be politicly correct in this day and age and not dare use the word tits in public. As Brooklyn Babe said much earlier, he's a guy and if she wants to quote something from along time ago what is the harm? Everyone needs to lighten up.

Thank you for your thoughtful, well-stated comment. (y) I appreciate it :D